May we know how safe is MMS from people who have been taking it?

[Bubu]

I know this has been discuss here many times. I don't have much interest back then for the following reasons:
!) Its a chemical
2) I am not sick and no one in the family is when it was discuss
3) I decided to adapt a wait and see attitude. because I dont need it in the first place.


I know many people here have great things to say about MMS. After reading through MMS threads I decided to ask the following questions

To those who have considerable experience in using it my questions are:
-How safe is it, Is it as safe as amoxicillin antibiotic. I mean antibiotic cures as well, only to be found out later that it weakens the immune system so that you keep getting sick and getting cured by the same antibiotic. In your opinion being a MMS being a chemical does it weaken immune system.
-With your years of experience how many times you get sick in a year. Do you think it does not weaken the immune system.
-Whats the safest way of taking it.
From what I understand Sodium chlorite is a c toxic cleaning solution. Adding lemon makes chlorine dioxide or MMS. Whats the proper procedure in mixing and how much should a person take.

Thanks,
Julian

[syrwong]

It is a medicine for all purposes. I often get bronchitis soon after catching a cold. I use it to cure it. Normally it is cured in a day. My friend uses it for his itchy feet (Tinea pedis.). He said it was much better than the other ointments he had used. It works efficiently and without any side effects. I can testify it is absolutely safe.
The reason that it is safe is after killing pathogens by oxidizing, it becomes sodium chloride, ordinary salt and quickly comes out of your body.

[OBwan]

Bill interviewed Jim Humble for Project Camelot in the following video.

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[dynamo]

It is a medicine for all purposes. I often get bronchitis soon after catching a cold. I use it to cure it. Normally it is cured in a day. My friend uses it for his itchy feet (Tinea pedis.). He said it was much better than the other ointments he had used. It works efficiently and without any side effects. I can testify it is absolutely safe.
The reason that it is safe is after killing pathogens by oxidizing, it becomes sodium chloride, ordinary salt and quickly comes out of your body.
What exactly is MMS, please?
Where would a person obtain some?
My wife sufffers from bronchitis.
We use grapefruit, onion and ginger in a juicer, it tastes "so-so" but seems to help her bronchitis.
If MMS works, I would like to get some for her to try.
Thank you for any sugestions.

[Callista]

Here's a good website to explain it all http://genesis2church.is and they give a list of suppliers http://genesis2church.is/acquiring-mms

[syrwong]

It is a medicine for all purposes. I often get bronchitis soon after catching a cold. I use it to cure it. Normally it is cured in a day. My friend uses it for his itchy feet (Tinea pedis.). He said it was much better than the other ointments he had used. It works efficiently and without any side effects. I can testify it is absolutely safe.
The reason that it is safe is after killing pathogens by oxidizing, it becomes sodium chloride, ordinary salt and quickly comes out of your body.
What exactly is MMS, please?
Where would a person obtain some?
My wife sufffers from bronchitis.
We use grapefruit, onion and ginger in a juicer, it tastes "so-so" but seems to help her bronchitis.
If MMS works, I would like to get some for her to try.
Thank you for any sugestions.

MMS is short for miracle mineral solution. It is made by activating a 28% sodium chlorite solution with acid. "Miracle" because it is said to cure many uncurable illnesses and a quick cure for malaria.

You make it yourself. The instructions are in the links given by other members, I suppose.

Be sure to try it. I consider it as treasure. I recommend 2 drops each serve of about 120ml solution to start with. Follow the precautions given in JH wesite. Also be aware that it is illegal in some countries tightly controlled by the big pharmas.

[Watching from Cyprus]

used it for about 10 years, but only in severe life threatening situations or in case of oral infection / toothache . no side effects ever and does the job when other means fail. Do not compare amoxicillin or other antibiotics with MMS as it is not an antibiotic. If you have any problems where antibiotics would be a doctors subscription, i can inform you that Organic Apple Cider Vinegar is the strongest remedy ever used to cure infections, but a teaspoon a day is not enough. I just had a wisdom tooth removed and the molar next to it sowed with 4 stitches and my dentist was scared for me as i didn't want to take antibiotics. I used Vinegar, had the stitches taken yesterday, and the dentist who is also a surgeon, applauded me as to the nice clean wound healing nicely.

When i need MMS1, i make a 30 drop (30 of Citric Acid and 30 of SC solution) solution then added with 1.5 litre of water. I drink 0.15 litre per hour for 10 hours. It is ruff but until now, it has worked. Once i did 2 days to be 100%.

Catch you later mate

love to all
Peter

[Iloveyou]

One of the reasons why the use of MMS is so safe is the fact that Chlorine Dioxide is able to differentiate between aerobic and anaerobic microorganisms in the body, only anaerobic organisms being the harmful ones. It does not destroy aerobic=benevolent bacteria. The reason is that it is a relatively weak oxidant (much weaker than the strong oxidants ozone or hydrogen peroxide for example) – so it only affects the also (in comparison to aerobic) weaker anaerobic microbes. I think it is not comparable to general antibiotics.

The biggest risk is people using it not properly, not exactly according to the protocols given by Jim Humble and his team. It is a chemical substance and nothing to be played with. Although once you are experienced and know your body's reaction to the substance well, you may try different doses and intakes.

I want to point out that Jim Humble once emphasized very clearly: When you recommend MMS to a person, it is your responsability to explain how to use it and to make sure that they've understood. I would suggest to read at least Jim Humble's first book to become familiar with the basics and you will feel more confident and secure. Start with the basic protocols.

I've used it for cleansing over weeks and for all minor ailments (like a beginning cold) and had only beneficial effects. Same with six other members of our extended family, while the rest remains critical and cautious. The last word should always have one's own body, one's own inner voice.

[genevieve]

I've used MMS for various reasons and think it can be a miracle. Do read all about it before using it.


CAUTION: Be very careful to AVOID INHALING ITS FUMES.

I wasn't careful enough and had major difficulty breathing for about 24 hours. The good news is that the difficulty lasted "only" a scary 24 hours and a chronic respiratory infection I had was wiped out.


Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
genevieve

[dynamo]

WOW, thank you all for the most informative information!
Time to read, read, read until my eyes bleed LOL!
http://i.imgur.com/kD0MWjx.gif
Will post back on our experiences with it in a few weeks.

[Bubu]

used it for about 10 years, but only in severe life threatening situations or in case of oral infection / toothache . no side effects ever and does the job when other means fail. Do not compare amoxicillin or other antibiotics with MMS as it is not an antibiotic. If you have any problems where antibiotics would be a doctors subscription, i can inform you that Organic Apple Cider Vinegar is the strongest remedy ever used to cure infections, but a teaspoon a day is not enough. I just had a wisdom tooth removed and the molar next to it sowed with 4 stitches and my dentist was scared for me as i didn't want to take antibiotics. I used Vinegar, had the stitches taken yesterday, and the dentist who is also a surgeon, applauded me as to the nice clean wound healing nicely.

When i need MMS1, i make a 30 drop (30 of Citric Acid and 30 of SC solution) solution then added with 1.5 litre of water. I drink 0.15 litre per hour for 10 hours. It is ruff but until now, it has worked. Once i did 2 days to be 100%.

Catch you later mate

love to all
Peter

Thanks mate, How do you use ACV as antibiotic. Do you apply it directly to the wound. How about other illnesses that needs antibiotic like for example urinary tract infection?

[Bubu]

One of the reasons why the use of MMS is so safe is the fact that Chlorine Dioxide is able to differentiate between aerobic and anaerobic microorganisms in the body, only anaerobic organisms being the harmful ones. It does not destroy aerobic=benevolent bacteria. The reason is that it is a relatively weak oxidant (much weaker than the strong oxidants ozone or hydrogen peroxide for example) – so it only affects the also (in comparison to aerobic) weaker anaerobic microbes. I think it is not comparable to general antibiotics.

The biggest risk is people using it not properly, not exactly according to the protocols given by Jim Humble and his team. It is a chemical substance and nothing to be played with. Although once you are experienced and know your body's reaction to the substance well, you may try different doses and intakes.

I want to point out that Jim Humble once emphasized very clearly: When you recommend MMS to a person, it is your responsability to explain how to use it and to make sure that they've understood. I would suggest to read at least Jim Humble's first book to become familiar with the basics and you will feel more confident and secure. Start with the basic protocols.

I've used it for cleansing over weeks and for all minor ailments (like a beginning cold) and had only beneficial effects. Same with six other members of our extended family, while the rest remains critical and cautious. The last word should always have one's own body, one's own inner voice.

Hello,
I read that cancer cells turns anaerobic. I'm not sure though if they become weak cells. Do you think that MMS will also cure cancer.

[Watching from Cyprus]

used it for about 10 years, but only in severe life threatening situations or in case of oral infection / toothache . no side effects ever and does the job when other means fail. Do not compare amoxicillin or other antibiotics with MMS as it is not an antibiotic. If you have any problems where antibiotics would be a doctors subscription, i can inform you that Organic Apple Cider Vinegar is the strongest remedy ever used to cure infections, but a teaspoon a day is not enough. I just had a wisdom tooth removed and the molar next to it sowed with 4 stitches and my dentist was scared for me as i didn't want to take antibiotics. I used Vinegar, had the stitches taken yesterday, and the dentist who is also a surgeon, applauded me as to the nice clean wound healing nicely.

When i need MMS1, i make a 30 drop (30 of Citric Acid and 30 of SC solution) solution then added with 1.5 litre of water. I drink 0.15 litre per hour for 10 hours. It is ruff but until now, it has worked. Once i did 2 days to be 100%.

Catch you later mate

love to all
Peter

Thanks mate, How do you use ACV as antibiotic. Do you apply it directly to the wound. How about other illnesses that needs antibiotic like for example urinary tract infection?

Hey Bubu,

I would take 20 - 30 ml in a 1/2 litre of water 3 times daily after meals for a week or so which should fix your urinary track infection . I take ACV every day before bed time only as it cleans the body from within while I sleep. Great isn't it and I also take 2 table spoons of raw honey mixed with Ginger as that takes the acid away from the joints .. took my rheumatism away. No more stiffness or pain

Good luck

[Iloveyou]

Hello, I read that cancer cells turns anaerobic. I'm not sure though if they become weak cells. Do you think that MMS will also cure cancer.

Hi Bubu,

I guess the distinction between aerobic ('stronger') and anaerobic ('weaker') bacteria is valid regarding the effect Chlorine Dioxide would have on it. Though it cannot be generalized.

Cancer is such a complex process with so many variables and possible causes. It has also to do with the stagnation of (life-)energy flow within the body, a contraction of the whole organism – and healthy cells degenerating into tumor cells that have lost their ability to 'breathe' (and become anaerobic) as a result.

Cancer - I don't know. Genesis II Church does provide cancer protocols. I dare not speculate on that. Consider that MMS does not heal, it is a purifier, it just destroys pathogenes, on a chemical basis.

That's what I believe. I'm no scientist or doctor but the entire topic is extremely interesting.

Here's more to read:

http://www.mms-supplement.com/master_mineral_of_the_third_millennium-partial_free-2011.pdf

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/Miracle_Mineral_Solution_of_the_21st_Century-Part-1-Archbishop-Jim-Humble-Free-2006-Edition.pdf

[Bubu]

Will post back on our experiences with it in a few weeks.

Thanks looking forward to your results. and also for sharing your ACV antibacterial formula.

I though at first those arent real eyeballs.:p

Iloveyou, thanks for the book

[Bubu]

A quote from the book. I wish he can explain why this is so and not just put it like this. Maybe it has to do with the diet. Harmful organism eat humans while friendly organism eat human waste:p

"Amazing as it might seem, when used correctly,
the immune system can use this killer to attack only those germs,
bacteria, and viruses that are harmful to the body. It does not affect
the friendly bacteria in the body or any healthy cells".

[enfoldedblue]

I followed the protocol for MS with horrific results :(. I guess like everything it is not for everyone. My whole aura turned grey and I felt like I was going to die. My system works much better with natural nourishing approach.

[Bubu]

I followed the protocol for MS with horrific results :(. I guess like everything it is not for everyone. My whole aura turned grey and I felt like I was going to die. My system works much better with natural nourishing approach.

Thanks I will keep that in mind.I am very cautious with this. But have you tried a much lesser dosage than the recommended. They recommend 2 drops for starter however. I also read somewhere on the book that there are cases where you have to start with one half drop. Maybe you are more sensitive particularly if your system is very clean you tend to be more sensitive even to very small dose of chemicals that other people wont even notice. This is true to me also.

[Bubu]

This is taken from the book I am reading now. Be cautious I will start with my dog with bleeding on stool. with a very small dosage.

"Initial procedure: Keep in mind that anyone taking MMS for
the first time should start out with no more than 2 drops for their
first dose. The reason being that 2 drops will not produce enough of
a chemical reaction to cause significant nausea in those who have a
health condition. If you have a serious illness, 2 drops could cause
mild nausea for 10 minutes or so. In that case, continue taking
2 drops daily or several times daily until there is no nausea. When
you have reached the point where there is no nausea from 2 drops,
The Miracle Mineral Solution of the 21st Century
112
then use 3 drops the next time. Continue this until you are at 15
drops three times a day and then drop back to 6 drops a day. When
using MMS for treatment of some serious illness, you will need to
consider that MMS is only active in the body for about an hour.
Thus, hourly doses will make the best progress, as the more MMS
you can get into the body without creating nausea or diarrhea, the
greater the positive effect it will have against the illness.
Keep in mind that when we refer to drops we always mean that
one must add 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon of vinegar, lime, lemon, or citric
acid and then wait 3 minutes before adding 1/2 glass of juice.
That’s 4 ounces of juice for those of you who are more scientific.
Without the vinegar, lime, or lemon, the whole exercise is little
more than the drinking of a nice health drink. But nice health drinks
don’t do the job. And remember, DO NOT use juice with added
vitamin C.
So the exact procedure is this: Add 2 drops of MMS to a clean,
empty, dry glass. Then add 10 drops of vinegar, lime, or lemon (if
you use citric acid see the instructions in chapter 10). Swirl the glass
by hand to mix the contents. Wait 3 minutes. Add 1/2 glass of apple
juice and drink right away. You can substitute grape juice or
pineapple juice as long as they are fresh, but don’t buy juices with
added vitamin C and do not use orange juice. Orange juice prevents
the production of chlorine dioxide.
As I have said, the reason for using fresh juice is that most
juices have vitamin C added as a preservative. It makes the juice last
longer and it is good for you, but it inhibits the release of chlorine
dioxide. It can even prevent you from getting the results that you
want from taking MMS. So, if you do use store-bought juice, make
sure that it does not say that vitamin C has been added. If it does,
you can always drink it several hours before or after taking MMS.
Allowing the drops and vinegar to sit more than 3 minutes is not
necessarily a problem. The chlorine dioxide in the drops begins to
separate and the chlorine goes off into the air. Thus, the concentrate
of chlorine dioxide remains fairly constant for up to 10 minutes;
however, tiny amounts of chlorine do remain in the solution.
Chapter 9: Understanding the Miracle Mineral Solution
113
Putting a lid on the container makes the chlorine dioxide much
stronger. Some people do this to make a stronger drink. The very
best practice is to not allow the drops and acid to sit for longer than
3 minutes before adding your juice and drinking it.
To ensure a strong drink of chlorine dioxide, drink it
immediately after adding the juice. (It’s not dangerous to allow it to
sit longer, just not as effective). Juices that can be used are apple
juice, grape juice, pineapple juice, and cranberry juice. Again, do
not use orange juice. Orange juice prevents the production of
chlorine dioxide, and thus prevents MMS from being effective".

[enfoldedblue]

I followed the protocol for MS with horrific results :(. I guess like everything it is not for everyone. My whole aura turned grey and I felt like I was going to die. My system works much better with natural nourishing approach.

Thanks I will keep that in mind.I am very cautious with this. But have you tried a much lesser dosage than the recommended. They recommend 2 drops for starter however. I also read somewhere on the book that there are cases where you have to start with one half drop. Maybe you are more sensitive particularly if your system is very clean you tend to be more sensitive even to very small dose of chemicals that other people wont even notice. This is true to me also.

I built up first from half a drop and moved to the MS protocol when I seemed to tolerate it well, but it truly didn't jive with me at all. I spend a lot of energy avoiding chemicals and eating lots of anti-oxidant foods. My body was not happy on MMS. It was my osteo who made me really aware. When I walked into her office she looked a bit shocked and said "what the hell is going on? You're whole aura is grey!" When I explained that I was taking MMS she told me that it was basically like chemotherapy and was clearly not working out for me. When I returned to my normal healthy diet I slowly started to feel better. But it took me a long time to recover.

Another thing that really irked me was that I was a very active member of the Jim Humble forum and I soooo often saw posts removed if there was any criticism. In one case a woman who had been following the cancer protocol to a tee for months was devastated when her check up (which she hoped was going to show a miracle) showed that her caner has progressed significantly. When another member suggested another rememdy that the dying woman might try she was told by a moderator that only MMS could be discussed and no other information should be shared. That didn't sit well with me.

[Bubu]

Thanks, yes I read your comment on the MMS thread but good to know that you said exactly the same thing:bigsmile:. I remember being poisoned by water kefir before while on the internet you read only positive comments. It was terrible my son has to assist me in getting up from bed and has to change my clothes for days. Anyway chemicals should be a last resort remedy. I think I might wait till my daughter is able to work on this. I will report back our findings. It may take a little while as she is still completing her thesis on chemical engineering.

[Cardillac]

anything labled "miracle" should be enjoyed with extreme caution

Larry

[Bubu]

anything labled "miracle" should be enjoyed with extreme caution

Larry

agree, thanks larry

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I take it occasionally.
No problems here.

[syrwong]

There is a large website in China devoted to mms, a google translate may give some idea of how differently it is regarded in China.
www.mms-cn.net
In it there is a large amount of information on mms. Lots of videos and sound clips beginning with Bill’s interview with J. Humble. There are also hundreds of testimonies of cure by mms ranging from insect bites, insomnia, hepatitis B to various kinds of cancer. Many are written in great details. There is also a list of 136 mms curable diseases.
The site has been for years offering charity sale of bottles of mms1, 2 and CDS for one Yuan only (US20cents). The solution mms turns up in the first page of search by search engines (Unlike in google search). Judging from these I think mms has some popularity in China. When millions of people have used it and it is still in use, you can safely assume that it is no hoax and its use is safe.

[Bubu]

Judging from these I think mms has some popularity in China. When millions of people have used it and it is still in use, you can safely assume that it is no hoax and its use is safe.

Thanks, You've some point there but consider this. Amox. is still use by millions of people. You see this is my very point from the opening post. Mercury fillings been use for decades or maybe century. This is also the case of so many other, Safe until proven otherwise.

[syrwong]

Judging from these I think mms has some popularity in China. When millions of people have used it and it is still in use, you can safely assume that it is no hoax and its use is safe.

Thanks, You've some point there but consider this. Amox. is still use by millions of people. You see this is my very point from the opening post. Mercury fillings been use for decades or maybe century. This is also the case of so many other, Safe until proven otherwise.

For a hundred years we live in a medical paradigm that does have your best of health in mind. The use of mercury and aluminum in medicine is an example. People have been deceived and the truth suppressed. Like smoking, people were not aware of the danger. That's the reason a harmful drug can be used for many years. With mms it is very different. It is spread by words of mouth only. That means many people have tried it and found it good. Isn’t this the basis that we trust traditional and herbal medicine?

In the end, it depends on what you are more inclined to believe, a medicine that has been experimented by a million patients and found to be good, or one that is claimed to be good by the FDA (bear in mind that they use a much smaller sample of patients and sometimes guided by the money principle.)

[panpravda]

I followed the protocol for MS with horrific results :(. I guess like everything it is not for everyone. My whole aura turned grey and I felt like I was going to die. My system works much better with natural nourishing approach.

Thanks I will keep that in mind.I am very cautious with this. But have you tried a much lesser dosage than the recommended. They recommend 2 drops for starter however. I also read somewhere on the book that there are cases where you have to start with one half drop. Maybe you are more sensitive particularly if your system is very clean you tend to be more sensitive even to very small dose of chemicals that other people wont even notice. This is true to me also.

I built up first from half a drop and moved to the MS protocol when I seemed to tolerate it well, but it truly didn't jive with me at all. I spend a lot of energy avoiding chemicals and eating lots of anti-oxidant foods. My body was not happy on MMS. It was my osteo who made me really aware. When I walked into her office she looked a bit shocked and said "what the hell is going on? You're whole aura is grey!" When I explained that I was taking MMS she told me that it was basically like chemotherapy and was clearly not working out for me. When I returned to my normal healthy diet I slowly started to feel better. But it took me a long time to recover.

Another thing that really irked me was that I was a very active member of the Jim Humble forum and I soooo often saw posts removed if there was any criticism. In one case a woman who had been following the cancer protocol to a tee for months was devastated when her check up (which she hoped was going to show a miracle) showed that her caner has progressed significantly. When another member suggested another rememdy that the dying woman might try she was told by a moderator that only MMS could be discussed and no other information should be shared. That didn't sit well with me.

I've been a long time gone from this forum, but something I can't explain has guided me to visit and read this particular thread, and the post by "enfoldedblue". As a result, I, as a previously normal 'health wise' person, am motivated to add the following ...

(Important - I am only stating here the facts of what happened to me, and I make no solid judgements as to whether or not one thing led to another ... this is just what happened) ...

Around 7-8 years ago I tried MMS on a couple of occasions, each a month or so long, during which time I followed the advised protocol. I had nothing very serious wrong with me at the time, but I did want to see if it would help with the chronic aphthous ulcers (mouth ulcers) that I had had off and on since my teenage years. It did not help, and I really did not feel any benefit at the time; a bit the opposite, in fact, which I did put down to the introduction of MMS into my body. Since then, that bottle of MMS has lived at the back of a cupboard in the kitchen.

For about the past 5 years or so I've had bladder troubles; the bottom line being that since early 2015 till now, I've had to use catheters ever time I go for a whiz. The prognosis is that I'll have to continue using them, till I don't need to pee any more.

In September 2015 I completed one of those bowel screening tests, where you send a stool sample back (to the NHS here in the UK) to get tested. They found blood, so, I had to go for a colonoscopy examination, which resulted in a diagnosis of bowel cancer. I was surprised, as I have always looked after my diet and kept myself reasonably fit and healthy so, in addition to thinking this was odd, I felt doubly puzzled due to the fact that there is absolutely no history of cancer whatsoever in our family. Okay, so, accepting that I had been the unlucky draw'er of a short straw, in December of 2015 I went through a right hemicolectomy(sp) operation to remove a large chunk of my bowel; that being an event which also brought on for me a complete loss of balance and all-over body pains, especially in muscles and joints; these being conditions I still suffer from and which currently are the most difficult things I have to cope with. The operation itself was easy enough, but about a week after I was allowed home, my bowel refused to work (Ileus) and I ended back in hospital for another three weeks; two of which were on crushed ice only. Further, the effects on me from the Chemo after this operation were completely awful, so, I had to stop it while not quite half way through the course.

In June 2016 I experienced the most terrible pain in my upper abdomen, the severity of which made me completely immobile. There is a story here of how for 5 days this condition was present without being properly diagnosed, but to cut a long story short, my bowel had ruptured and my abdomen was full of 'you know what'. I had an emergency operation to get cleaned out and have some repairs and modifications done; that operating table experience was the start of a 44 day hospital stay, where the conditions I was diagnosed with were, peritonitis, septicaemia, and diverticulitis: I was told by the surgeon that I almost didn't make it. The results of this operation were that ... I lost 20 kg and had to go through a particularly bad 4 month recovery period; elements of which still remain for me to cope with. And also, on the operating table, I had been fitted with a stoma bag; a fixture which I still have and which I have been told will probably remain with me till I eventually turn up my toes.

I am now on friendly terms with the staff in the local hospital's scanning department; in fact, I believe I'm on their Christmas card list (this is a reflection of the number of x-rays and scans of different types that I've had to go through, these many past months). From the results of one particular scan in January (a PET scan), I was told I had "something suspicious" in the lower lobe area of my left lung; this again turned out to be cancer, and I was also told that it had spread to there from the original cancer in my bowel. Subsequently, in July, I went through a keyhole surgery procedure to remove that cancerous growth, after which the recovery period was easier on me than what I had experienced with the ruptured bowel event, but it still knocked me down a few pegs. I have since regained a level of mobility and personal comfort, but I am still pretty much confined to home, due to my loss of balance; I just cannot go out on my own and need someone to accompany me if I do travel.

I have just this week been told that once more I have blood in my stool, so, I guess the bowel cancer might be making its presence known again.

Why am I telling all of you about this? ... well, as I said at the beginning, I am only relating the facts of what has happened to me over recent years, and I make no judgements one way or the other about the involvement or non-involvement of MMS. I do however think that the possession of all potentially associated information when considering a serious subject, can be critical to one's decision-making process as to how to proceed. For me, with hand on heart, I cannot identify anything other than exposing myself to MMS for those short periods, that I could classify as an intake to my body of an abnormal substance. I am not blaming MMS, but I cannot help but have a small suspiscion.


By laying this out in one short story, I may still be judged as inappropriately associating my misfortunes with my consumption of MMS; this is a valid view to take, but it is one that I have not intended that any of you should take. Please therefore consider what I have written here as worth considering, or not worth considering ... the decision on that is your own.

panpravda

[Bubu]

Thanks for sharing your story with us.

[enfoldedblue]

I followed the protocol for MS with horrific results :(. I guess like everything it is not for everyone. My whole aura turned grey and I felt like I was going to die. My system works much better with natural nourishing approach.

Thanks I will keep that in mind.I am very cautious with this. But have you tried a much lesser dosage than the recommended. They recommend 2 drops for starter however. I also read somewhere on the book that there are cases where you have to start with one half drop. Maybe you are more sensitive particularly if your system is very clean you tend to be more sensitive even to very small dose of chemicals that other people wont even notice. This is true to me also.

I built up first from half a drop and moved to the MS protocol when I seemed to tolerate it well, but it truly didn't jive with me at all. I spend a lot of energy avoiding chemicals and eating lots of anti-oxidant foods. My body was not happy on MMS. It was my osteo who made me really aware. When I walked into her office she looked a bit shocked and said "what the hell is going on? You're whole aura is grey!" When I explained that I was taking MMS she told me that it was basically like chemotherapy and was clearly not working out for me. When I returned to my normal healthy diet I slowly started to feel better. But it took me a long time to recover.

Another thing that really irked me was that I was a very active member of the Jim Humble forum and I soooo often saw posts removed if there was any criticism. In one case a woman who had been following the cancer protocol to a tee for months was devastated when her check up (which she hoped was going to show a miracle) showed that her caner has progressed significantly. When another member suggested another rememdy that the dying woman might try she was told by a moderator that only MMS could be discussed and no other information should be shared. That didn't sit well with me.

I've been a long time gone from this forum, but something I can't explain has guided me to visit and read this particular thread, and the post by "enfoldedblue". As a result, I, as a previously normal 'health wise' person, am motivated to add the following ...

(Important - I am only stating here the facts of what happened to me, and I make no solid judgements as to whether or not one thing led to another ... this is just what happened) ...

Around 7-8 years ago I tried MMS on a couple of occasions, each a month or so long, during which time I followed the advised protocol. I had nothing very serious wrong with me at the time, but I did want to see if it would help with the chronic aphthous ulcers (mouth ulcers) that I had had off and on since my teenage years. It did not help, and I really did not feel any benefit at the time; a bit the opposite, in fact, which I did put down to the introduction of MMS into my body. Since then, that bottle of MMS has lived at the back of a cupboard in the kitchen.

For about the past 5 years or so I've had bladder troubles; the bottom line being that since early 2015 till now, I've had to use catheters ever time I go for a whiz. The prognosis is that I'll have to continue using them, till I don't need to pee any more.

In September 2015 I completed one of those bowel screening tests, where you send a stool sample back (to the NHS here in the UK) to get tested. They found blood, so, I had to go for a colonoscopy examination, which resulted in a diagnosis of bowel cancer. I was surprised, as I have always looked after my diet and kept myself reasonably fit and healthy so, in addition to thinking this was odd, I felt doubly puzzled due to the fact that there is absolutely no history of cancer whatsoever in our family. Okay, so, accepting that I had been the unlucky draw'er of a short straw, in December of 2015 I went through a right hemicolectomy(sp) operation to remove a large chunk of my bowel; that being an event which also brought on for me a complete loss of balance and all-over body pains, especially in muscles and joints; these being conditions I still suffer from and which currently are the most difficult things I have to cope with. The operation itself was easy enough, but about a week after I was allowed home, my bowel refused to work (Ileus) and I ended back in hospital for another three weeks; two of which were on crushed ice only. Further, the effects on me from the Chemo after this operation were completely awful, so, I had to stop it while not quite half way through the course.

In June 2016 I experienced the most terrible pain in my upper abdomen, the severity of which made me completely immobile. There is a story here of how for 5 days this condition was present without being properly diagnosed, but to cut a long story short, my bowel had ruptured and my abdomen was full of 'you know what'. I had an emergency operation to get cleaned out and have some repairs and modifications done; that operating table experience was the start of a 44 day hospital stay, where the conditions I was diagnosed with were, peritonitis, septicaemia, and diverticulitis: I was told by the surgeon that I almost didn't make it. The results of this operation were that ... I lost 20 kg and had to go through a particularly bad 4 month recovery period; elements of which still remain for me to cope with. And also, on the operating table, I had been fitted with a stoma bag; a fixture which I still have and which I have been told will probably remain with me till I eventually turn up my toes.

I am now on friendly terms with the staff in the local hospital's scanning department; in fact, I believe I'm on their Christmas card list (this is a reflection of the number of x-rays and scans of different types that I've had to go through, these many past months). From the results of one particular scan in January (a PET scan), I was told I had "something suspicious" in the lower lobe area of my left lung; this again turned out to be cancer, and I was also told that it had spread to there from the original cancer in my bowel. Subsequently, in July, I went through a keyhole surgery procedure to remove that cancerous growth, after which the recovery period was easier on me than what I had experienced with the ruptured bowel event, but it still knocked me down a few pegs. I have since regained a level of mobility and personal comfort, but I am still pretty much confined to home, due to my loss of balance; I just cannot go out on my own and need someone to accompany me if I do travel.

I have just this week been told that once more I have blood in my stool, so, I guess the bowel cancer might be making its presence known again.

Why am I telling all of you about this? ... well, as I said at the beginning, I am only relating the facts of what has happened to me over recent years, and I make no judgements one way or the other about the involvement or non-involvement of MMS. I do however think that the possession of all potentially associated information when considering a serious subject, can be critical to one's decision-making process as to how to proceed. For me, with hand on heart, I cannot identify anything other than exposing myself to MMS for those short periods, that I could classify as an intake to my body of an abnormal substance. I am not blaming MMS, but I cannot help but have a small suspiscion.


By laying this out in one short story, I may still be judged as inappropriately associating my misfortunes with my consumption of MMS; this is a valid view to take, but it is one that I have not intended that any of you should take. Please therefore consider what I have written here as worth considering, or not worth considering ... the decision on that is your own.

panpravda

Thank you for sharing. I wish you well on your healing journey. The human system is so complex. Some peoples' systems are much more sensitive than others. I too am a sensitive and have to be very careful what I put into my body. I think it is important that we trust our intuition when it comes to our own personal health. I know many feel good with MMS and feel that it promotes their health....and I don't doubt that for some it may be helpful.....but I don't believe there is a one size fits all in terms of personal health. My intuition gives me a powerful NO when it comes to this product...and from your sharing it sounds like you're intuition is giving you a clear impression as well. I think the more we learn to listen to our bodies and honour our intuition the better off we will be.



Sending some love your way!!

[Daozen]

MMS is alright, Jim Humble and Bill Ryan have probably saved 100,000s of lives by taking the brave step to release it. BUT, it is like calling in the SAS to clean your house. They will get the job done, but at what cost? MMS can tax the kidneys, especially in its unconverted form. It can also push out Iodine from the cells. You may get some short term healing, or even years of it, but eventually you may develop a hidden iodine deficiency. If they're removing posts in the MMS forums, as enfoldedblue says, that is really bad.

I'd try Iodine, Kerosene, Turpentine and Vit C before I tried MMS. I also think a gentler approach to detox is better. 1-2 drops a day is best.

It was released in 2007, when Iodine and friends were not well knowm, so the decision to let people know about MMS was definitely a good one. But now, we can take a more balanced approach.

Povidone iodine saved my life in 2014, I think it's better than MMS. Lugols, SSKI + Detoxadine are better, but anyone sick could try Povidone from the store. As long as your kidneys are OK, a few drops of Povidone in water can work miracles. You can then use that while you order a better brand of iodine online.

[Bubu]

MMS is a chemical if there is in the body something that MMS can react, bad bacteria or bad cells then it reacts to it making it neutral however if you are generally a healthy person and there is not enough baddies in your system the MMS will linger on inside you waiting for the right situation to destroy your body. Thats only my theory based on what I have heard from everyone. There is no doubt that it helps a lot of people (most people nowadays have health issues) and also cause injuries to some. My take is use only under extreme circumstances.

Thank you all for sharing your experience.

[seko]

I've been using MMS for 8 years now. I use it to get rid of bacteria, fungus etc.. It works well for me, never had an issue with it.
I've helped people with cancer, arthritis, candida and many more diseases. Yes, it's not for everybody but it does help.

[SLeeker]

I too got rather irritated on the Genesis forum, everytime anyone asked a question about MMS usage they would get bombarded with "buy Jim's latest book" messages ! Thing is I had already bought his books and his written word is at times quite confusing, I got the impression that forum had a very high membership churn rate. I respect and admire the guy highly but his writing often does him a disservice.

[Ewan]

Advise please, this looks as though it may possibly be the right thing.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lifesystems-Chlorine-Dioxide-Purification-Droplets/dp/B002IDTEB8

Though in the Q&A -


Question: does this contain sodium dichloroisocyanurate ?
Answer: Hi John, bottle 1 contains Sodium Chlorite 2.9% (Active Chlorine Dioxide Precursor) . Bottle 2 contains Ortho Phosphoric Acid 5%, Hydrochloric Acid 4%.

2.9%? I thought I read elsewhere it was 28% - and of course the acid is not citric or vinegar but you could easily swap that out.

What do people think that have used MMS in the past please.

[Iloveyou]

. . if you are generally a healthy person and there is not enough baddies in your system the MMS will linger on inside you waiting for the right situation to destroy your body. Thats only my theory based on what I have heard from everyone.

Hi Bubu, as you tell that’s based on hearsay, though it‘s an error.

MMS = sodium chlorite activated by an acid produces chlorine dioxide gas. It is the chlorine dioxide gas that kills the pathogens and it lasts only 1-2 hours in the body, then it deteriorates into table salt. It is extremely volatile.

That’s why for prophylaxis or cleansing we take 3 doses (6-15 activated drops) over a period of 12 hours, that means 3 ‚attacks’ on the germs. When we catch a heavy cold, we take 8 doses (3 drops) over a period of 8 hours. In that case the chlorine dioxide gas remains in the body (resp. is renewed every hour) over 8-10 hours and works more effectivily, without giving the germs a break (as it happens with the 3 doses protocol).

For other, more serious diseases different protocols are needed. Being seriously ill I would not experiment with it without the advice of a knowledgable practitioner/healer.

I found a comprehensive summary of how it works here, again:

http://sacredvalleytribe.com/articles/alternative-medicine/mms-protocol/



2.9%? I thought I read elsewhere it was 28% - and of course the acid is not citric or vinegar but you could easily swap that out.

Ewan, 2,9% must be a typo. I had products with 22,4% and with 25%. But 28 /29% should be okay, too imo. Once the principle is understood, that wouldn‘t make a difference. Yes, various kinds of acid can be used, but each kind of acid require their own dosage and reaction time when mixing with the sodium chlorite. That often causes confusion. It should be stated explicitly by the distributer.

Lately I‘ve researched a lot about portable water filters/purifiers and I‘ve found out that there are already some water purifying products (for hikes, travels) based on chlorine dioxide instead of the (questionable) chlorine. It seems the market is catching up with Jim Humble.

Life Systems seems to be a home/sports/outdoor supplier and it does not arouse any mistrust, sounds okay. I personally would rather look for an (alternative) health products supplier, but that‘s just personal preference. I too, noticed that so many websites/forums talk about MMS and the discussion is often very confusing and misleading. Best stick to the basics: Jim Humble‘s books or maybe Andreas Kalcker.

PS:

The price - £9.80/€11 for 30 ml - seems to be okay, too, although prices vary greatly.

I‘ve paid 15€ for 30ml, 17€ for 100ml, 34€ for 125ml and 50€ for 4x100 ml.

[Iloveyou]

A quote from the book. I wish he can explain why this is so and not just put it like this. Maybe it has to do with the diet. Harmful organism eat humans while friendly organism eat human waste:p

"Amazing as it might seem, when used correctly,
the immune system can use this killer to attack only those germs,
bacteria, and viruses that are harmful to the body. It does not affect
the friendly bacteria in the body or any healthy cells".

. . rather specific, but interesting to read:

Chlorine dioxide is a chemical compound that consists of one chlorine ion bound to two ions of oxygen. A powerful oxidizing agent, it is the most abundant dissolved ion in ocean water and readily combines with nearly every other element. Oxidizing agents are chemical compounds that readily accept electrons from “electron donors.” They gain electrons via chemical reaction. This is important because relative to chlorine dioxide, all pathogens are electron donors.

Chlorine dioxide is extremely volatile. Chlorine dioxide’s extreme volatility prevents pathogens from developing a resistance. Mainly because when they “clash,” the pathogens no longer exist. Yet, healthy cells and beneficial bacteria are unaffected. When a chlorine dioxide ion contacts a harmful pathogen, it instantly rips up to five electrons from the pathogen, in what can be likened to a microscopic explosion . . . harmless to us, but terminal for pathogens.

Throughout the body, anywhere chlorine dioxide ions — transported via red blood cells — come into contact with pathogens, the pathogens give up their electrons and cease to exist. The chlorine dioxide-armed cells only “detonate” on contact with pathogens, which include harmful bacteria, viruses, toxins, heavy metals, and parasites. All of these will have pH values that are out of the body’s range of good health. They will also have a positive ionic charge. The chlorine dioxide-equipped cells do not oxidize beneficial bacteria, or healthy cells, as their pH levels are 7 or above, and hold a negative ion charge.

Chlorine dioxide ions will oxidize — meaning vaporize — diseased cells . . . anything that is acidic with a positive ion charge. If the chlorine dioxide ions encounter no pathogens or other poisons, it deteriorates into table salt and in some instances, hypochlorous acid, which the body can also use.

source: http://sacredvalleytribe.com/articles/alternative-medicine/mms-protocol/ (author?)

Maybe a physicist/chemist among the members could confirm whether such a process is correct or not?

[Iloveyou]

For people truly interested in this topic I want to advise you to take care.

There are sports/outdoor suppliers who provide an excellent water purification method (for extended hikes or travels, esp in countries/regions where the water is contaminated with viruses) based on chlorine dioxide. It is much more preferable than the usual iodine/chlorine based products.

Aquamira (http://www.aquamira.com/product/aquamira-water-treatment-drops-1-oz/) for example contains 2.0% (!) chlorine dioxide. Chlorine dioxide is more effective with less health risks, odor, and taste than iodine/chlorine. Another product - MSR Sweetwater Purifier System (https://www.mec.ca/en/product/4017-271/Sweetwater-Microfilter-Purifier-System) - contains 3.5% sodium hypochlorite (chlorine based). For laymen it‘s important not to mix up sodium chlorite with sodium hypochlorite.

The above mentioned Life Systems (https://www.lifesystems.co.uk/products/water-purification/chlorine-dioxide-drops) product
2.9%? I thought I read elsewhere it was 28% allegedly contains Sodium Chlorite 2.9% (Active Chlorine Dioxide Precursor). This might be due to a different preparation method. I don‘t know.

What I do know is that the provided product informations of different brands are not very clear, rather confusing and misleading. I‘m not at all convinced that this is not on purpose, although chlorine dioxide is a great water purification method and meanwhile it seems to be well marketed and popular.

Add:
The term sodium chlorite which would in an online search easily lead to MMS products/Jim Humble is not used in product descriptions (as far as I found out). Or they spell it incorrectly on their own technical data sheet (sodium chloride ! which is simple table salt). Are they (Katadyn = world leader in water purifying products) that sloppy and stupid? Or are they on a confusion mission?

Are the water purifying products and the original MMS products really identical and interchangeable? Would be interesting to know which intentions are behind the different suppliers’/distributors’ marketing strategies.

Add:
Outdoor- and sports suppliers sell water purification drops (and tablets) based on chlorine dioxide (MMS principle). Their description says: active ingredient chlorine dioxide 2%, 2.9%, 6.4%.
MMS contains originally sodium chlorite 28% (which activated by an acid then produces chlorine dioxide). I had good results with 22,4% and 25%, too (all from alternative health stores).
This could be a hint.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101873-Portable-Water-Filters-and-Purifiers-for-Travel-and-Adventure&p=1210877&viewfull=1#post1210877

[Iloveyou]

Facts Sheet MMS

„About 22 years ago, one of our associates was involved in an environmental battle that was SUCCESSFULLY executed and WON through the use of a simple, but extremely well-written and referenced FACTS SHEET. It is estimated that about a million copies of this facts sheet were distributed throughout a major metropolitan city over a few weeks, and resulted in a public outcry that forced change ... Needless to say, once accurate and concise information was at hand, it was easy for the general public to understand the issue and make up their own mind either way ..... We have produced a modern day “MMS FACTS SHEET” that we believe is accurate, concise and easy to read.“

http://www.factssheetproject.com/wp-content/uploads/MMSFactsSheet.pdf

Science of MMS

https://cdautism.org/protocol-files/27-science-of-mms