The "Korean War", Part II. Will there be war between the US and North Korea?

[ThePythonicCow]

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This week, with the war mongering speech by US President Trump at the United Nations, and with
the announcement that Trump has signed a new Executive Order increasing the economic and financial sanctions against North Korea (and against anyone banking or trading with North Korea),
it seems increasingly likely to me that that the Drums of War are sounding once again, this time anticipating a resumption of the "United Nations Police Action" (aka the Korean War) that has been suspended since the armistice signed 27 July 1953.

I will begin this thread with a few posts, each focusing on various aspects of this situation, primarily relating to North Korea.

In sum, I anticipate that there will be war, involving at least North Korea and the United States, both economic and military, resulting in:

a global economic depression,
tragic loss of human life on a large scale, including due to atomic bombs,
the end of the century of the "exceptional" American Empire,
the end of the global dominance of the US Military-Intelligence hegemony,
the end of the US Petro-Dollar based world monetary system,
the rise of China, Russia, and other Eurasian powers,
the rise of distributed blockchain ledgers, replacing critical internal corporate databases,
dramatic changes in our physics, astronomy, health, and other sciences,
dramatic changes in robotics, 3D printing, transportation, energy and other technologies,
the extension of human civilization out into the solar system and beyond, and
the rise of a New World Monetary and Political order.
My key focus in this thread will be on the potential for a resumption of the Korean War, in some form, though I am sure I won't be able to resist tying these other potentials into the discussion at times.

[ThePythonicCow]

While discussing another matter (something to do with Corey Goode) with a couple of forum members, it occurred to me that such controversies were distractions of relatively small importance, compared to some of the bigger issues facing humanity.

I wrote to them (somewhat edited here) the following:



By stirring up such controversies "they" (the elite bastards) are both distracting and dividing us. Those of us who do "see too much" can be isolated, marginalized and suppressed.

The cynical tin-foil-hat conspiracy theory nut case that enjoys a permanent residence in my mind figures that another Major false flag event, with the shock and awe of Pearl Harbor or 9/11, will kick off a global convulsion leading to the collapse and discrediting of pretty much those now prominent in Donald Trump's administration - the New York (and Deutsche Bank) bankers, the Zionists, the Anglo-American Military, the regime toppling CIA, the Bush-Clinton-Obama crime syndicate, and the Drug Lords (both narco's and big pharma). Not all of anyone one of these groups will fall ... but some within each group will have to "walk the plank" (a long walk on a short plank over shark infested waters.) The century of the Anglo-American empire and of King Dollar will come to a tragic ending.

Being in Trump's cabinet (his various Cabinet Secretary's) will be risking going down in the official history book as a great failure.

After listening to Trump's war mongering speech before the United Nations a day or two ago ... my best guess as to what will be the Tragic False Flag that sets off this round of regime change in Washington will involve North Korea, many deaths, and either some nuclear explosions over major cities and/or massive deaths on the Korean peninsula after a resumption of the Korean War that has been on hold since the early 1950's. A shocked world will call out for a more effective global control of nuclear weapons. A shocked America will find their loyalty to various political wings and politicians is totally trashed. A shocked world will be plunged into economic collapse and call out for a more effective global financial, economic, monetary system.

I recall reading somewhere (not sure the reliability of this claim) that China has said that they would support North Korea if the US attacked first, but that they would stand down if North Korea attacked first and then would let the US "defend itself". Given that it seems that every war that America has engaged in, back to and including the "French and Indian War" of the mid-1700's, before the United States was even formed as a nation, has been a false flag or otherwise justified on false pretenses, such a declaration by China is practically an invitation to the war mongering Anglo-Americans in Washington to stage another major false flag, blaming North Korea. If China then exposed the false flag, they would be quite justified in backing North Korea, or even if China appeared to remain silent, it may have sufficiently advanced electronics warfare that it could ensure a catastrophic American failure, marking the end of the Anglo-American empire, falling in disgrace and weakness.

[ThePythonicCow]

Then a few hours later, I followed up the previous comments with these additional comments:

After listening to Trump's war mongering speech before the United Nations a day or two ago ... my best guess as to what will be the Tragic False Flag that sets off this round of regime change in Washington will involve North Korea
With the very stringent and broad reaching sanctions, in an executive order signed today by Trump, the risk of war between North Korea and the US just escalated.

These sanctions are spelled out in this Zerohedge article: "Choose North Korea Or The US": White House Releases Details On Latest N.Korean Sanctions (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-21/white-house-releases-details-latest-north-korea-sanctions).

For example, any ship that has been in a North Korea port in the last half year may not enter a US port, and any ship that has engaged in ship-to-ship transfers with any such forbidden ship is also forbidden. No financial institution that engages in or facilitates in any trade or financial activity with North Korea may engage in any such activity in the US.

If and when this executive order is enforced, which I expect will be essentially immediately, this will ban major Russian financial institutions from (the US controlled) SWIFT, the current mechanism for inter-bank transfers world wide.

Trumps UN speech, and these sanctions, in my view, mean war, both the mass casualty kind and the economic/financial/monetary kind.

For example, these sanctions will further expedite the development of the Chinese/Russian alternative international financial systems, such as the Chinese Cross-Border Interbank Payment System (CIPS). That is exactly as intended. These are the next steps in preparing for a New World Monetary system, in terminating the Anglo-American empire, in terminating the US Petro-Dollar world monetary system, in lowering the US to second or third world status, and in doing so without Americans going into some sort of out of control revolt.

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tl;dr -- I find both Trump's UN speech and the above linked US sanctions against North Korean financial and trade activity to be brutal. I figure that this means war in the not too distant future, leading to the decline and fall of the American Empire and of the US Petro-Dollar world monetary system.

Just remember: The next "Day that shall live in infamy" (as US President FDR described the Japanese Dec 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor), will almost certainly be another false flag, as have been so many others before.

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P.S. -- One last item: I just finished a half year long project to order all the spare computer parts that I could afford and might need in the next few years, that are made in South Korea (especially) or in other Far Eastern nations such as Taiwan, China, Japan, or Thailand. Prices and availability for some of the parts I ordered earlier in the year have already risen (prices) or fallen (availability), and I won't be surprised to see this get far worse in the next few years. I placed an order earlier today for some more Samsung (South Korean) computer memory.

If there is anything you need spares of, from Korea, and can afford to get now, I would get it.

[ThePythonicCow]

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No sooner than I had posted the original version of previous post, than I noticed that Treasury Secretary Mnuchin had held a Press Conference, on the matter of these new US sanctions against North Korea.

In a follow-up to the further sanctions against North Korea in Trump's new Executive Order, US Secretary of Treasury Mnuchin held a short press conference, which can be seen starting at the 31:11 mark (https://youtu.be/-vqn7TwLpv4?t=31m11s) in the following video.
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Mnuchin's focus, as Treasury Secretary, is on barring international banking system access and/or seizing assets of any bank in any country that "facilitates Kim Jong-Un's destructive behaviour".

Other aspects of these new sanctions, involving stopping ships that also visited North Korea would fall on the US Coast Guard, operating under the authority of the US Navy, which is the responsibility of the Department of Defense, not the responsibility of Mnuchin's Treasury Department. So Mnuchin was only speaking to half of the new sanctions, involving financial sanctions, not to the other half of the sanctions, involving interdicting shipping.

As Ken over at RedefiningGod.com (http://redefininggod.com/2017/08/the-globalist-nuclear-threat-of-september-2017-and-the-fate-of-donald-trump/) points out, keeping any nation from trading oil with North Korea, by keeping North Korea from paying for that oil with either trade or money, places an unacceptable strangle hold on North Korea. This is just how the US provoked Pearl Harbor, to start its participation in World War II ... by keeping Japan from paying for oil, forcing Japan's hand.

This means war, in my view, within the year.

[ThePythonicCow]

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Two days ago, in a quick note to another friend, I was already anticipating an increased risk of a new Korean war.

Here's what I wrote to that friend, then:


The following article describes the US vs North Korea situation well, in my view:

UN Security Council Resolution 2375 On North Korea: Preparation For War? (http://www.alt-market.com/articles/3277-un-security-council-resolution-2375-on-north-korea-preparation-for-war)

This article concludes by saying:

One can only hope that Russia and China will take a stand against any continuation of this vicious spiral.

I agree with that conclusion. Either Russia and China stand against this escalation by the US,
or history repeats itself, as it has in so many other cases since World War II, resulting in the US
bring democracy destruction to a nation.
So ... in the space of a week, we have United Nations Security Council Resolution 2375,
US President Trump's warmongering first speech at the United Nations, and
a rather brutal escalation of economic and financial sanctions against North Korea,
all intended it seems to starve North Korea into submission.

As Russia's President Putin noted (see here (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/05/548676414/putin-north-korea-would-eat-grass-before-giving-up-nukes)) a couple of weeks ago:

North Korea's Kim Jong Un would have his people "eat grass" before giving up his nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs.
This is the primary modus operandi by which the American Empire instigates war, as we've seen too many times already.

[ThePythonicCow]

As Brandon Smith (one of the best commentators that I know of) observed in his article Federal Reserve Will Continue Cutting Economic Life Support (http://www.alt-market.com/articles/3281-federal-reserve-will-continue-cutting-economic-life-support), while he expects "a geopolitical distraction — the most likely candidate being increasing conflict with North Korea", we should "not be fooled by the magic show. The real threat to us all is the central banking and international banking apparatus."

In other words, the elite are once again overhauling our power and monetary structure. Part of how they normally do this involves provoking wars.

I would not entirely call this resumption of a Korean War that I am anticipating just a distraction, however. Rather the global political and military power structure is also undergoing change, and the American Empire, in my estimation, is being provoked into one too many wars, this time against enemies that it cannot dominate. Thus shall the sun set on the American Empire, and the power center of the world shall move once again, this time "eastward" to Russia and China, but with a more regional, multi-lateral appearance, and a more pervasive global bond underneath the regional institutions.

[Bubu]

And North Korea is adding fuel to it.

"Sound of a dog barking’: North Korea ridicules Trump threat"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/21/sound-of-a-dog-barking-north-korea-ridicules-trump-threat.

The fact that Russia has already positioned its military, zapad drill. speaks volume of how serious is the situation. I believe I have mentioned this on my previous thread.

Meanwhile more and more nations are expressing disgust over the puppet government. latest I knew is venezuela which together with Iran express strong words against the puppet gov. Turkey had just turned to Russia despite being member of NATO. Theresa May has taken to media to join the rebuking. Their cover have been remove they can no longer behind lies at the same time their military is quickly losing its advantage as more tech are born from other the side and more nations are siding on the other side. Its a desperate last effort to maintain control which would call for desperate actions. Interesting times ahead. I've been vocal about this for awhile and I am sure others are feeling the same.

Your anticipations however may happen only if enough people is left. As I have mentioned a number of times. The "goal is reset", that is to reduce the number of population to an easily controllable limit. Even Putin when ask said "No one would survive such a war". However as I see it the cabal been taken by surprise to the extent of tech the other side have develop discreetly so they are considering it very carefully as it seems that they themselves has nowhere to hide.

[ThePythonicCow]

Your anticipations however may happen only if enough people is left. As I have mentioned a number of times. The "goal is reset", that is to reduce the number of population to an easily controllable limit. Even Putin when ask said "No one would survive such a war". However as I see it the cabal been taken by surprise to the extent of tech the other side have develop discreetly so they are considering it very carefully as it seems that they themselves has nowhere to hide.
I do not expect the elite bastards to blow up most of the planet ... just another city or two, as they did at the end of World War II.

They still need this planet as their home base.

It doesn't take many "dramatic" deaths to create immense fear ... for example only about 3000 died on 9/11 of 2001, but that event echo'd around the world for years.

[Harley]

Nice write-up Paul! :)

Yes the US has been trying to goad North Korea into attacking first and this latest round of serious saber-rattling and sanctions just may be pretty close to the final nail. And I also agree that we should expect to see a major False Flag event to finally kick it off. As a matter of fact, for the past week or so I've been expecting to wake up to this any day now.

The US has been moving Tactical Nukes to the Korean border for the past several days now. These are smaller nukes, better known to most civilians as "Bunker Busters", and they will be used mainly for taking out North Korea's front-line offensive strongholds and other nuclear facilities. The Tactical "Battlefield" Nukes are much smaller (by many times) than the Strategic Nukes but they are still never-the less Nuclear.

And for those of you who believe the US can't shoot down missiles ('because if they could why haven't they already done it?'), very simply put, it's because they didn't want to show their hand to their enemies. A lot of people are going to be very surprised and even shocked to see what comes out of the skies (WTC included a Functional Test of only one of these capabilities).

But even with all that I expect the US will Blow It's Mighty Wad and then eventually fall into Third World Status. Just like Paul said, it's all about economics. And that's what WWIII is going to be fought over.

Bad times are not coming, they are already here. Most of us just haven't woken up to it yet.

[Bubu]

Your anticipations however may happen only if enough people is left. As I have mentioned a number of times. The "goal is reset", that is to reduce the number of population to an easily controllable limit. Even Putin when ask said "No one would survive such a war". However as I see it the cabal been taken by surprise to the extent of tech the other side have develop discreetly so they are considering it very carefully as it seems that they themselves has nowhere to hide.
I do not expect the elite bastards to blow up most of the planet ... just another city or two, as they did at the end of World War II.

They still need this planet as their home base.

It doesn't take many "dramatic" deaths to create immense fear ... for example only about 3000 died on 9/11 of 2001, but that event echo'd around the world for years.

Its an entirely different situation now that a number of countries have develop more powerful WMD. Blowing one city can quickly and most probably turn into a mass casualty. N Korea itself has enough on its arsenal and besides China and Russia wont allow it. Because doing so will signal to other countries that they are on the mercy of the cabal which can only result to submission to cabal and the cycle repeats.
With their cover (lies) totally expose means that with China and Russia standing their ground for other nations more and more nations will go the other side and they will eventually be left with nothing. For example Turkeys purchase from Russia signals the end of NATO alliance. If one country can do it why not others. I dont think they are going to blow up this planet as well. What they wanted is to eliminate the Russia and China threat which seems to be growing by the day and they need to act quickly before the threat turns the other side.
On another note sanctions is not going to work as China and Russia guarantees the flow of goods to N Korea. So you see why N Korea is ridiculing Trump. As mentioned by Harley they are trying to goad N Korea to do the first strike and by the ridicule it seems to be not working. It's either they concede defeat or take drastic action.

http://www.wearethemighty.com/international/calm-down-turkey?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

[ghostrider]

The strange thing , the war is a cease fire... a zone separates South Korea with U.S. allies, and the other side is North Korea... it seems every time the paper money needs shoring up, the maniacs start a war ...I think it will escalate to combat...

[DNA]

Personally, I think China wants an all out war, and this will give the excuse.
No bueno as far as I'm concerned.
I do not want a war with China.

[Bubu]

Personally, I think China wants an all out war, and this will give the excuse.
No bueno as far as I'm concerned.
I do not want a war with China.

Yes but if you look at history China is mostly engage in economic war. look how they conquered much of the worlds commerce. On the other the other power is always engage in military war.
when someone attacks somebody and suddenly stops at the doorstep means they are reluctant to attack this is because they failed to drag the allies into it, thus the ceasefire. What I am seeing here is they dont have the capacity on the other hand China and Russia may have that but is concerned of lost of life. This bastards dont have that concern so if they are capable they would have done already. I think N Korea is correct its like the "dog barking but the marching goes on". China Russian Iran Turkey and probably India: On the other side the allies have express their unwillingness to cooperate perhaps they have gotten tired of being use as war pawns. its game over probably some desperate move but I dont see the bastards winning.

[ThePythonicCow]

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Breaking news, announced 14 hours ago:
China's central bank tells banks to stop doing business with North Korea (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-banks-china/chinas-central-bank-tells-banks-to-stop-doing-business-with-north-korea-sources-idUSKCN1BW1DL):

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BEIJING/HONG KONG (Reuters) - China’s central bank has told banks to strictly implement United Nations sanctions against North Korea, four sources told Reuters, amid U.S. concerns that Beijing has not been tough enough over Pyongyang’s repeated nuclear tests.

Tensions between the United States and North Korea have ratcheted up after the sixth and most powerful nuclear test conducted by Pyongyang on Sept. 3 prompted the United Nations Security Council to impose further sanctions last week.

Chinese banks have come under scrutiny for their role as a conduit for funds flowing to and from China’s increasingly isolated neighbor.

The sources said banks were told to stop providing financial services to new North Korean customers and to wind down loans with existing customers, following tighter sanctions against Pyongyang by the United Nations.

The sources said lenders were asked to fully implement United Nations sanctions against North Korea and were warned of the economic losses and reputational risks if they did not do so.

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The news story continues with more details at the above link.

[ThePythonicCow]

And ... here's Kim Jong-Un's response, from the Financial Times (https://www.ft.com/content/199a98be-9ee0-11e7-8cd4-932067fbf946):

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North Korea threatens to detonate H-bomb in Pacific

Kim Jong Un says US will ‘pay dearly’ for Donald Trump insults

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Kim Jong Un making his statement regarding Donald Trump's address to the UN © Reuters

September 22, 2017 by Demetri Sevastopulo in Washington and Katrina Manson in New York

North Korea has threatened to detonate a hydrogen bomb in the Pacific, after Kim Jong Un warned that Donald Trump would “pay dearly” for his threat this week to “totally destroy” North Korea if America was forced to defend itself and its allies.

Ri Yong Ho, the North Korean foreign minister, told reporters in New York on Thursday that Mr Kim’s earlier warning of the “highest level of hardline countermeasure in history” could mean a hydrogen bomb such as the one Pyongyang said it tested on September 3, according to South Korean media.

“It could be the most powerful detonation of an H-bomb in the Pacific,” Mr Ri was quoted as saying by Yonhap, the South Korean news agency. “We have no idea about what actions could be taken as it will be ordered by leader Kim Jong Un.”

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[Jayke]

I wouldn't trust any news from the associated press on the matter...Reuters, financial times etc...they all speak from the same mouthpiece.

The key distinction in the article of China's statements is that the central banks have told their customers not to deal with 'new Korean customers', the work around the sanctions for the Chinese is that they can still do business with existing Chinese business men in the area.

The day after Trumps UN speech non-other than Hillary Clinton came back on the scene promoting her new book, calling Trumps speech 'Dark and Dangerous'. If anything I consider the speech writers to be setting Trump up for an impeachment rather than actually pushing for a ww3 scenario. Building on the Trump is 'literally Hitler' meme that was pushed before the US elections.

I still don't think direct military escalation will occur...but the end of american exceptionalism has definitely begun...

https://journal-neo.org/2017/09/21/even-after-sanctions-north-korea-has-a-lot-to-cheer-about/

Even After Sanctions, North Korea has a Lot to Cheer About


In nutshell, both Russia and China have limited themselves to a measured application of diplomatic pressure, which explicitly includes, apart from other things, stability in Pyongyang, no regime change, no drastic alteration of the geopolitical chessboard and no massive refugee crisis.

Within this seemingly agreed framework of action, there is little to no scope for the US and its allies in the region to manufacture a scenario whereby the North Korean regime can be overthrown. Let’s not also forget here that the Sino-Russia duo was forced to make this aspect clear because of Nikki Haley’s remark that the US would act alone if Kim’s regime didn’t stop testing missiles and bombs. These remarks were followed by Chinese foreign ministry’s statement that said that “The peninsula issue must be resolved peacefully. The military solution has no way out. China will not allow conflict or war on the peninsula.” Already, Russia’s Vladimir Putin had warned that a “cutting off the oil supply to North Korea may harm people in hospitals or other ordinary citizens.”

With two of the most important aspects of the US policy vis-à-vis North Korea thus getting rejected, the passage of UNSC resolution and imposition of sanctions hardly reflect the power that the US claims to have as a global power. On the contrary, the fact that the US had to reframe its resolution due to opposition from both China and Russia does strongly reflect the influence this duo has come to enjoy in the international arena.

In simple words, sanctions imposed through a unanimously imposed resolution of the UNSC do none of the originally drafted resolution by the US representative Nikki Haley. This failure has been followed by a ‘warning’ from President Trump, who threated to impose sanctions on Chinese banks if they didn’t follow the UNSC sanctions. However, this step, if ever taken, will only make matters worse for the US. Qualitatively speaking, sanctions of Chinese banks will allow the North Korean issue to quietly slip to the background and create a new global tussle. The Chinese are aware of this seeming eventuality and are already preparing to counter it. According to some reports, China is expected shortly to launch a crude oil futures contract priced in yuan and convertible into gold in what analysts say could be a game-changer for the industry. This framework would allow the US sanctioned countries, such as Russia and Iran, to circumvent US sanctions by trading in yuan. While this programme is part of China’s attempts to reduce the dominance the US dollar enjoys in the commodities market, it also signifies that by opening deals in Yuan, China is moving towards creating a separate economic space, which cannot be hit by US sanctions.

While this move will certainly trigger a sort of ‘trade-war’ between the US and China, in the long run it will turn out to be the central most piece of multipolar world China as well as Russia have been trying to build as it will allow them to follow more independent policy paths vis-à-vis issues such as North Korean nuclear crisis.

That Russia and China are not going to allow the US to pursue its hegemonic impulses against North Korea is also evident from the way Russia is moving towards integration rather than isolation and ultimate overthrow of North Korean regime. In Vladivostok, Russia’ Putin went out of his way to defuse military tension and warn that stepping beyond sanctions would be an “invitation to the graveyard.” Instead, he proposed integration through business. Putin’s plan found its manifestation through a trilateral trade platform, crucially involving Pyongyang, Seoul and Moscow, to ultimately invest in connectivity between the whole Korean peninsula and the Russian Far East.

While a North Korean delegation was present in Vladivostok and expressed its broader agreement on the connectivity programme, what certainly becomes clear is that Russian and Chinese policy vis-à-vis Korea is fundamentally different from that of the US. And, therein lies a point of relief and a point to reflect on for North Korea on the possibility of fighting sanctions through integration in the Russia-China led Eurasian connectivity.

Salman Rafi Sheikh, research-analyst of International Relations and Pakistan’s foreign and domestic affairs, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”.

[ThePythonicCow]

I wouldn't trust any news from the associated press on the matter...Reuters, financial times etc...they all speak from the same mouthpiece.

The key distinction in the article of China's statements is that the central banks have told their customers not to deal with 'new Korean customers', the work around the sanctions for the Chinese is that they can still do business with existing Chinese business men in the area.
You apparently stopped reading too soon.

The above article says:

The sources said banks were told to stop providing financial services to new North Korean customers and to wind down loans with existing customers, following tighter sanctions against Pyongyang by the United Nations.

The sources said lenders were asked to fully implement United Nations sanctions against North Korea and were warned of the economic losses and reputational risks if they did not do so.
I underlined other key parts of this news article that you might want to read.

(And if you don't trust any such news article, how come you quote part of it as evidence for your hypothesis <grin>?)

Here's another source for this news - from Donald Trump himself:
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Beginning at the 1:18 mark (https://youtu.be/D9SWpji69uA?t=1m18s) in this video, Trump states:

... and I'm very proud to tell you that, as you may have just heard moments ago, China, their central bank has told their other banks, that's a massive banking system, to immediately stop doing business with North Korea. This just happened, just reported.
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My take on this latest news:


I'm more optimistic now. Someone I was reading this week (I forget where now) made the point that China would likely want to include South Korea in its One Belt, One Road Asian infrastructure network. However the best way to do that would involve connecting South Korea's industry with the major railroad network that China is leading the development of, across the Eurasian continent. That could only be done by running the railroad through what is now North Korea, which stands between South Korea and the rest of Asia.

So China might actually desire to bring North Korea into their Asian business alliances, without destroying either North or South Korea in the process. This probably means that China would prefer to remove the young, hothead North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un, who happens to be a major fan of Dennis Rodman (an older retired NBA basketball star known for his aggressive rebounding), but who (Kim) is not well suited by age, experience or temperament to lead a nuclear nation.
I would not be surprised to learn that there are some real backroom negotiations going on, between the older, more powerful, North Korean military leaders "behind the throne", with the Chinese and others, to find a good way, beneficial to them, to over throw Kim Jong-Un.

The North Korean "palace politics" could be quite turbulent and dangerous right now.

[ThePythonicCow]

I'm more optimistic now.
Well, that optimism was short lived.

In the next open tab in my browser I found this talk, "Echoes of World War I", given last week by James Corbett to the Open Mind Conference in Copenhagen, Denmark:
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In this talk, Corbett draws an extensive analogy between

World War I, a deliberately "engineered" (Corbett's term) war between two alliances of nations, led by Great Britain and Germany, respectively, and
what he sees as a buildup now in progress to a World War III, between two alliances of nations, led by the US and China, respectively.
In short, while the conflict involving North Korea may (or may not) be finessed without immense blood shed, the greater conflict between the US and China may well prove more intractable.

Those in control of the US military might and empire will surely not stand down easily.

It's a fine speech by Corbett - well worth a listen if you can spare the hour.

[ThePythonicCow]

Back to the more immediate problem at hand, here are more details of Kim Jong-Un's response to Trump's threads, from the less than trustworthy Washington Post, in an article entitled Trump imposes new sanctions on North Korea; Kim says he will ‘tame the mentally deranged U.S. dotard with fire’ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/09/21/trump-says-the-u-s-will-impose-new-sanctions-on-north-korea/), which reads in part:

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Kim on Thursday reacted angrily to Trump's remarks and actions this week, calling the president a “mentally deranged U.S. dotard” and Trump's earlier speech at the U.N. “unprecedented rude nonsense.” Kim said that he was now thinking hard about how to respond.

“I will make the man holding the prerogative of the supreme command in the U.S. pay dearly for his speech,” Kim said in a statement released by the official Korean Central News Agency, which also published a photo of the North Korean leader sitting at his desk holding a piece of paper.

“I am now thinking hard about what response he could have expected when he allowed such eccentric words to trip off his tongue. Whatever Trump might have expected, he will face results beyond his expectation,” Kim said, saying that he would “tame” Trump “with fire.”

South Korea’s Yonhap News Agency reported Thursday night that the North’s foreign minister, Ri Yong Ho, said in New York that his country may test a hydrogen bomb in the Pacific Ocean to fulfill Kim’s vow to take the “highest-level” action against the United States. “It could be the most powerful detonation of an H-bomb in the Pacific,” Ri said. “We have no idea about what actions could be taken as it will be ordered by leader Kim Jong Un.”

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[Hervé]

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[Jayke]

I wouldn't trust any news from the associated press on the matter...Reuters, financial times etc...they all speak from the same mouthpiece.

The key distinction in the article of China's statements is that the central banks have told their customers not to deal with 'new Korean customers', the work around the sanctions for the Chinese is that they can still do business with existing Chinese business men in the area.
You apparently stopped reading too soon.

The above article says:

The sources said banks were told to stop providing financial services to new North Korean customers and to wind down loans with existing customers, following tighter sanctions against Pyongyang by the United Nations.

The sources said lenders were asked to fully implement United Nations sanctions against North Korea and were warned of the economic losses and reputational risks if they did not do so.
I underlined other key parts of this news article that you might want to read.

Well that would certainly be a prime example of how appearances could be deceiving Paul...I did indeed read the phrase winding down bank loans...but if the Chinese idea of winding down bank loans is anything like the US idea of winding down operations in Afghanistan, then that winding down process could be a very drawn out operation effectively making the statement redundant. And like I said with the article in my post 'Even with sanctions North Korea still has plenty to cheer about'.

China giving the appearance of implementing UN sanctions is an effective strategy to de-escalate tension while simultaneously buying time to bring their new financial clearing systems into play. Once China's financial clearing systems are in place, then the US ability to use sanctions as economic warefare is severely diminished.

Anyway, I've just listened to the Corbett report you linked to, and I'd agree with him on a couple of points, firstly that if ww3 does break out, then how we conceive of what that war will look like will be completely different than the wars fought in ww1 and ww2. Corbett states it could primarily be economic, cyber or even space warfare, which if that's the case I'd say ww3 is already well underway. The other point he mentions is that ww1 and 2 were engineered wars, where the engineers used propaganda to whip up a patriotic frenzy to drive people to the battle field, where the people were convinced they were fighting an honourable fight against tyrants and murderers.

In this day and age, the populace is far better equipped to recognise who the engineers of this current war machine are, far better equipped to slice through the propaganda and see any future wars as just a money/power grab for forces within the American deep state. Under these modern conditions, who's really going to have the heart to pick up a gun and fight?

Paul Joseph Watson, editor at infowars does a decent job of dissecting the war rhetoric in this video, where Morgan Freeman was hired to say 'We are at war with Russia'.

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The more people who see through the machinations and propaganda of the warmongers, the less likely any future wars will be brought to fruition. At least in open combat...cyber, economic and space however, those are the areas to be watching imo.

[Bubu]

Meanwhile more and more leaders expressing disgust over the puppet government. Soon they will find themselves alone and against the world.

‘Trump is like a teacher handing out fail grades. Which country will be next?’ – Czech president

“The speech reminded me of a teacher publicly handing out grades to misbehaving students. But the international community should not be a relationship between master and student. Either we are all teachers or all students,” Zeman, who also delivered a speech at the UN General Assembly, told the Czech media in New York.

Zeman, 72, said he also disagrees with Trump’s list of “bad” states.

“I listened to the speech and thought, North Korea, OK, that is a horrible dictatorship. But he went on. Venezuela. Then Iran – which was less obvious to me, because as you know the sanctions against it have been weakened following the nuclear deal,” said Zeman.

The Czech president, who was elected in 2013, said that as long as the US considers itself the arbiter of international affairs, no country is safe from its censure.

“After those three countries, should you criticize Poland, because it violates the principles of an independent judiciary, or maybe the Czech Republic, because it won’t allow migrants on its territory. Where does this stop?” Zeman, who is known for his informal manner, asked the media.

Cuba: Trump’s comments ‘disrespectful, unacceptable’
The US president used stark language to condemn an array of states in his Sunday speech, calling Iran “an economically depleted rogue state whose chief exports are violence, bloodshed and chaos,” North Korea a “depraved regime” ruled by “a band of criminals” and Venezuela a “socialist dictatorship” which is “on the brink of collapse.”

https://www.rt.com/news/404012-zeman-trump-cuba-un/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

[Bubu]

I'm more optimistic now.
Well, that optimism was short lived.

In the next open tab in my browser I found this talk, "Echoes of World War I", given last week by James Corbett to the Open Mind Conference in Copenhagen, Denmark:
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In this talk, Corbett draws an extensive analogy between

World War I, a deliberately "engineered" (Corbett's term) war between two alliances of nations, led by Great Britain and Germany, respectively, and
what he sees as a buildup now in progress to a World War III, between two alliances of nations, led by the US and China, respectively.
In short, while the conflict involving North Korea may (or may not) be finessed without immense blood shed, the greater conflict between the US and China may well prove more intractable.

Those in control of the US military might and empire will surely not stand down easily.

It's a fine speech by Corbett - well worth a listen if you can spare the hour.

While there are similarities the situation is an entirely efferent ones. Covet miss the whole point way off. gone is the time when the world is not aware that there is a hidden hand. For his part Putin said that it is the deep state that is the enemy. world war cannot be engineered when awareness is present. just look who come the puppets side on N korea issue, only Japan. Its a failed call for war. Its obvious that they dont have enough firepower only mouth power. It would be interesting to watch how the saber rattling turns from N korea to other countries like venezuela.

[Michelle Marie]

Will this be the third episode in Washington's vision?

http://www.ushistory.org/valleyforge/washington/vision.html

If so, victory is destined. What is the higher perspective or purpose?

I just see deeper things happening simultaneously with the outer show of things.

Will the Power of Love overcome the Love of Power?

How much does our personal choice make a difference?

Just wondering.
MM

[Bubu]

LIke the zapad drill and the China drill on N Korea border this also has the same message. To the puppet gov; "we are ready" and to any nation thinking of joining the poppet gov. " better think again"


"Chinese, Russian Navies Hold Exercises in Sea of Japan, Okhotsk Sea"

"On Monday, the Chinese People’s Liberation Army-Navy (PLAN) and the Russian Navy began the second stage of their Joint Sea 2017 military exercises.

The exercises are taking place in the Sea of Japan and, for the first time, the Okhotsk Sea.

These drills underline ongoing naval and military-to-military cooperation between the two countries. While Russia and China aren’t military allies, they increasingly coordinate on strategic matters.

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According to Xinhua, China’s state news agency, the participating PLAN vessels include a Type 051C Luzhou-class missile destroyer, the Shijiazhuang; a Type 054A Jiangkai II-class missile frigate, the Daqing; a Type 903A supply ship, the Dongpinghu; and a submarine rescue ship, the Changdao.

The Chinese contingent also includes “a deep submersible rescue vehicle, two ship-borne helicopters and marines,” Xinhua noted.

The Russian Navy, meanwhile, sent “a large anti-submarine ship, a frigate, a rescue ship, a deep submersible rescue vehicle, two ship-borne helicopters and marines.”

The ongoing exercises will focus primarily on joint submarine rescue and anti-submarine warfare (ASW). The coastal phase of the exercise began on Monday in Vladivostok, according to PLA Daily.

The maritime phase of the exercises will take place starting on September 22 and last through September 26.

According to PLA Daily, the Chinese and Russian vessels would split up into two “mixed maritime tactical groups.” One group will be commanded by a Chinese crew and vessel while the other would be led by a Russian anti-submarine ship, the Admiral Tributs, an Udaloy-class destroyer.

Separately, the PLAN’s lone participating submarine rescue ship would join the Russian rescue ship Igor Belousov for submarine rescue drills.

Earlier this year, the two navies held the first phase of Joint Sea-2017 in the Baltic Sea for the first time.

Their naval exercises have taken on an increasingly global character, with recent iterations of the Joint Sea series having also taken place in the South China Sea, the East China Sea, and the Mediterranean Sea. Joint Sea-2015 was partially held in the Sea of Japan.

Nevertheless, Chinese and Russian officials repeatedly emphasize that ongoing military coordination is not directed at any third country—be it the United States or Japan.

Relations between China and Russia have grown steadily closer since Xi Jinping entered office. Xi chose Moscow for his first overseas visit after becoming the Chinese president.

Lately, Russia and China have also cooperated on a range of global issues, including the North Korean question.

Both countries have jointly voiced their support for a “dual freeze” on the Korean Peninsula, where the United States and South Korea would scale back their military exercises in exchange for a North Korean cessation of nuclear and ballistic missile testing."

http://thediplomat.com/2017/09/chinese-russian-navies-hold-exercises-in-sea-of-japan-okhotsk-sea/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

[Bubu]

Look there is another thing that needs urgent attention. "lets turn the saber rattling over there".

"Iran tests new missile defying US warnings"

Tehran (AFP) - Iran said on Saturday that it had successfully tested a new medium-range missile in defiance of warnings from Washington that it was ready to ditch a landmark nuclear deal over the issue.

State television carried footage of the launch of the Khoramshahr missile, which was first displayed at a high-profile military parade in Tehran on Friday.

It also carried in-flight video from the nose cone.

The broadcaster gave no date for the test although officials had said on Friday that it would be tested "soon".

Previous Iranian missile launches have triggered US sanctions and accusations that they violate the spirit of the 2015 nuclear deal between Tehran and major powers.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/37198241/iran-tests-new-missile-defying-us-warnings/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

[Harley]

Iran's Supposed Missile Launch Was Fake (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/09/26/irans-supposed-missile-launch-was-fake-us-officials-say.html?ESRC=eb_170926.nl)

26 Sep 2017

Iranian state television released video footage Friday claiming to show the launch of a new type of medium-range ballistic missile (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/09/22/defiance-us-iran-unveils-latest-missile-parade.html), a few hours after it was displayed during a military parade in Tehran.

But it turns out Iran never fired a ballistic missile, sources say.

The video released by the Iranians was more than seven months old -- dating back to a failed launch in late January, which resulted in the missile exploding shortly after liftoff, according to two U.S. officials.

Read full article at Military.com (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/09/26/irans-supposed-missile-launch-was-fake-us-officials-say.html?ESRC=eb_170926.nl)

[Cidersomerset]

Echoes of WWI: Q & A

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Published on 25 Sep 2017
SHOW NOTES AND MP3 AUDIO: https://www.corbettreport.com/?p=24117
James Corbett answers questions from the audience after delivering his presentation,
"Echoes of WWI: China, the US and the Next 'Great' War" to the Open Mind Conference
in Copenhagen, Denmark on September 16, 2017. Special thanks to the Open Mind
Conference for hosting the presentation and GaiaTV.dk for producing the video.

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Ron Paul Fears False Flag To Start New Korean War

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Published on 26 Sep 2017
Dr. Ron Paul joins Alex Jones live via Skype to discuss the possibility of a new
war with North Korea initiated by a false flag attack in which a US plane is shot
down in Kim Jong-Un's name.

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US still at war with North Korea, 1953 was just a truce - professor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CQDrkGpQi0

Published on 28 Sep 2017

US still at war with North Korea, 1953 was just a truce - professor Technically
speaking, the US is still at war with North Korea, Paul Atwood, professor of
American studies at the University of Massachusetts tells RT America. No peace
treaty was signed at the end of the Korean War in 1953, just an armistice. Given
what has happened to Libya, Iraq and others, North Korea believes that its security
from the US depends on having nuclear weapons.

[Molly4US]

I would like to hear some retrospective or current solution ideas to the situation of N. Koreas continuous escalation to it's missle program which are coupled with verbal threats toward the United States. I know that N. Korea has wanted nuclear power plants for a long time.....good thing they don't have them so as to put plutonium tipped nukes into my backyard in California. So, since nuclear power plants are not an option for negotiation, what it that N. Korea is after in it's threats to us? I don't get it. It is a tiny country with very little influence in the world. Why would all these humungous things which Paul has listed be pivotal to anything in N. Korea. Nobody wants war, but N. Korea should not be allowed to drop a bomb on my hometown. The U.S. only strikes military targets so I don't understand the huge losses of life which Paul states would occur. Kim Jung Un seems unreasonable. Kim Jung Un is the person who is jeopardizing lives in N. Korea, not Trump. I have twittered President Trump about a month ago about the possibility that N. Korea may still be having drought problems, and perhaps there is a food shortage problem which N. Korea is having causing Kim Jung Un's militance. Also, N. Korea is in close proximity to Fukashima, perhaps Kim Jung Un has a high concentration of heavy metals in his blood which certainly causes marked agitation for anyone. Perhaps chelation of heavy metals could help quell things.

[MorningFox]

Sorry Molly4US but it seems you have succumbed to US media brainwashing. North Korea and Kim Jung Un are not the aggressor or the problem, the US is... as usual.

[Bubu]

Iran's Supposed Missile Launch Was Fake (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/09/26/irans-supposed-missile-launch-was-fake-us-officials-say.html?ESRC=eb_170926.nl)

26 Sep 2017

Iranian state television released video footage Friday claiming to show the launch of a new type of medium-range ballistic missile (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/09/22/defiance-us-iran-unveils-latest-missile-parade.html), a few hours after it was displayed during a military parade in Tehran.

But it turns out Iran never fired a ballistic missile, sources say.

The video released by the Iranians was more than seven months old -- dating back to a failed launch in late January, which resulted in the missile exploding shortly after liftoff, according to two U.S. officials.

Read full article at Military.com (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/09/26/irans-supposed-missile-launch-was-fake-us-officials-say.html?ESRC=eb_170926.nl)

Yes I read it too but I know to believe to I know who are the liars.

[Justplain]

A perfect advertisement in a men's hair salon would be pictures of kim jun one and donald trump, side by each, with an underlying caption saying "Are you having a bad hair day?".