Corey Goode and Bentinho Massaro: Buyer Beware alert

[Gemma13]

VERY SERIOUS WARNING : BLUE AVIAN BUYER BEWARE ALERT

On Corey Goode’s Sphere Being Alliance Facebook page he has pinned a link to Bentinho Massaro’s presentation from the Eclipse of Disclosure conference.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_PlmAve6-s
Bentinho thanks Corey for inviting him to the Eclipse of Disclosure conference.

Bentinho reveals quite candidly that he is unable to prevent entity possession manipulating him into being a psychopath . . . and then twists it into . . . f#@k I don’t even have the words for it. Basically he excuses his psychopathic behavior because the manipulating 5d service to self beings are doing it as a game and having fun with it by racking up their points on scoreboards, in a 5D pub no less.

He says someone like Corey will be focused on more than others because of his high profile. And if they can’t go after your weaknesses they’ll go after your partners. In other words: I am not responsible for all the bad things I do because, well, the devil made me do it – and the more bad stuff I do, well, the more important I must be.

@10:55 (some paraphrasing)

But for most of us they exploit our weaknesses. So this has been with me all my life. As a child I would have some OCD ticks, etc and I felt I couldn’t control my body and an example that demonstrates and sways you from your natural service to others is when I was 8 years old and we had this little 2 month old kitten who we walked on a leash.

I was in my yard from walking her and something took over my body or felt like it did and there was this prickly bush so for 20 minutes every time she ran out of the prickly bush I watched myself pull on her necklace and put her back in it. I was crying but couldn’t stop myself.

I identified with that which is their intention which is to make you feel ashamed, or make you stop doing what you are doing, or they will go after your social organizations and make you experience you are a hypocrite and you are not worthy . . .

What is disturbing for these guys, and the thousands that are following them blindly, is that they do not recognize that their egomaniac “corporate savior I am GOD pursuits” ARE influenced by these beings also – they don’t just seduce people into being cruel to cats (or humanity for that matter)! (Let alone their own psychopathic physiology.)

It isn’t any wonder that Corey and several in his group show signs of being into occult dark magic.

Oh and Bentinho also says that these service to self beings are your friends because they can show you your weaknesses. SO WRONG! THEY ARE SHOWING THEIR WEAKNESSES AND SEDUCING PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING THEY ARE THEIRS.
Bentinho says without them it would take you lifetimes to immortalize yourself. So use them, make friends with them, because they can accelerate your learning. Love them as they help us more than our physical friends. WTF!

@55:09
. . . then you are the vision and you become the mirror to everyone else . . . when you are completely empty everyone [or everything] that comes to you, you will literally feel their higher self utilize your mental and physical body to elicit speech, action, confirmation, radiance, whatever, however it needs to use your vehicles to exactly mirror where these people [entities] are at, plus a little bit more, so that they can gain conscious knowledge of how they can grow more into who they are.

So outwardly you start to become like a mirror. Now this is only if you do this work every day intensely for months and years, but the result is that you are empty of self.

You’re just a walking hologram, you’re just a ghost. You’re body is just a ghost but it’s used by God. By the infinite intelligence, because you are not in the way.

You are not pondering how you can secure something for yourself, which is a lack of faith. Wouldn’t you agree? You needing anything is a lack of faith. You don’t need anything. When that gets through to you that’s when the percentage can ramp up and THE BLUE AVIANS WILL BE VERY HAPPY WITH YOU.


I couldn’t watch all of this terrible deception that is a sinister camouflage and distortion for being all about {false} love and how you can become a God by following their practices.

When in reality it is an invitation to surrender to demonic possession.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hGKxT6-sLc
Bentinho: I am one of the most sufficient and versatile spiritual teachers on the planet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_vaj4bCLYE
Bentinho: The most powerful creature on earth is the one that doesn’t give a damn about their life. They don’t care what happens. That’s power you can’t buy.

Spoken like a true psychopath. And if you can stomach the 5mins of this video you will see one of his “friends” have a great laugh – but at whose expense!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia-wwixG7Q8
Come live with us in a cult!

[WalterBosley]

I changed what I wrote because I just don't know what to say about this right now.

[Wind]

I'm not sure if there is anything more dangerous than spiritual "teachers" with a service to self agenda. It is not true spirituality, it is darkness masqueraded as spirituality. There already have been too many bad examples in the past. My initial intuitive take on this Bentinho person is that he is a mentally disturbed individual who has been tempted by the power that has been in his reach. Or should I say his ego seems to have fallen into the "trap". Psyche is out of alignment and I wouldn't rule out entity possession either. I hope he finds a way out of the darkness he has been experiencing.

-6VOzzloYxk

[Praxis]

I didnt know about this person before this thread.

Now that I know about this person, I dont care and will go back to not caring about this person(which is easier when you dont know about them).

It seems that making this thread did nothing but just make me know about some dude I dont care about and also since he is now in my awareness he is winning.
Why exactly are you warning us about someone we, at least I, didnt even know exists?

You are aware that this entire thread is actually just helping spread his message. By posting this guy, you are spreading his ideas. Why?

[Sunny-side-up]

Thanks for the heads up warning Gemma13
I won't stumble in to watching any of his vid's

[Gemma13]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj8UOHxN_zk
@15:15

Corey says we are all mind controlled. Plus, staying with his friend Bentinho Massaro.


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Corey confirms that for over a year he has gotten to know Bentinho Massaro well – obviously why he invited him to the Eclipse of Disclosure conference.

If you are a follower of Corey and the Blue Avians it would serve you well to dig deep and investigate who he supports/partners with. A bit of objective caution can go a long way in determining ones future footsteps and where they may lead.

[Gemma13]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1SaamOw08Q
@0:20

Bentinho: I don’t allow for taboos, so as soon as I sense that someone in the group has a certain taboo whether it’s a feministic taboo or like an equality rights kinda thing like all those stupid f*@king ideas . . .
[…]
@2:57 . . . so what someone is being triggered. That’s funny. How is that not funny? . . . just let it happen . . . don’t ease their trigger, let them suffer . . . I have so much fun with people’s triggers . . .

It’s pretty common knowledge that Psychopaths do not feel empathy and compassion. Bentinho Massaro demonstrates this repeatedly throughout his talks and ideologies. What is incredibly disturbing though is how people actually follow and worship this guy because he is emotionally bullet proof. Yes he doesn’t feel the pain that most people do. This is not a gift, it is a sickness.

Desiring to emulate and train to be a psychopath is not going to fix the problems in our world – it’s only going to make them worse. This man is justifying his psychopathy to the world by wrapping it up in spiritual idealistic BS then financially and emotionally exploiting people whilst laughing about how easy it is.

http://www.bentinhomassaro.com/read/why-im-excited-about-my-netherlands-retreat-a-profound-blend

Bentinho: You've heard me mention True Simultaneity before as being the highest accomplishment. What I experience now is the next level of that. And I am more determined than ever to create an army of Shepherding Consciousnesses' who truly get what I am, and thus are able to activate that frequency in themselves.

[Gemma13]

I didnt know about this person before this thread.

Now that I know about this person, I dont care and will go back to not caring about this person(which is easier when you dont know about them).

It seems that making this thread did nothing but just make me know about some dude I dont care about and also since he is now in my awareness he is winning.
Why exactly are you warning us about someone we, at least I, didnt even know exists?

You are aware that this entire thread is actually just helping spread his message. By posting this guy, you are spreading his ideas. Why?

People who have no empathy or compassion, with arrogance and confidence to boot, elevate themselves into positions of leadership in whatever realm takes their fantasy. They are dangerous individuals because they ooze charm and confidence whilst leading people into making very bad choices.

If we do not out these people – who else is going to stop them from doing harm to others - which by default does harm to communities, which by default does harm to the world, which by default does harm to the universe.

[Buzzie]

If you see these 2 guys walking toward you I would advise to go to the other side of the street.

[Gemma13]

Thanks Wind for the link




-6VOzzloYxk

Bentinho: F#@k your relationship. All of them. To your parents, to your family, to your friends, to the people around you, to me. F#@k your relationships. They mean nothing. They mean nothing! They are reflections. They come and they go. F#@k ‘em. Let them come. Let them go. Let them come. Let them go. Don’t give a f#@k about your family. Don’t give a f#@k about your children. Don’t give a f#@k about your parents. Don’t give a f#@k about your partner.


Yes, . . . you really did just read that!

[UfonautRadio]

I really needed this guy in high school...

[Chester]

Why exactly are you warning us about someone we, at least I, didnt even know exists?


Some of us do know who he is. Some of us know others who are rather vulnerable and who have, at some point, absorbed his words... in some cases, some still do.

I read the OP and experienced it as providing additional information to folks who might be interested in this additional information. In speaking just for myself, I benefited from Gemma's OP and more as this thread develops.

Perhaps you might consider that some of us are actually aware he exists. In fact, in my case, I was introduced to this gentleman by a former prominent member of this forum.

What I have yet to read on this thread (though it may have been posted after the point I am at now) is that it appears that these folks actually are in total conflict with themselves.

Perhaps someone might benefit from my pointing out the following:


You’re just a walking hologram, you’re just a ghost. You’re body is just a ghost but it’s used by God. By the infinite intelligence, because you are not in the way.

The "you" of the "you are not in the way" is a pointer to individuation - the individuated self. This is an example of self elimination, annihilation of the self... a (re)absorption into "the infinite all that is."

This is classic "Right Hand Path."

and then this (Gemma's paraphrasing)


Oh and Bentinho also says that these service to self beings are your friends because they can show you your weaknesses. Bentinho says without them it would take you lifetimes to immortalize yourself.

To "self immortalize" is the goal of The (dark) Left Hand Path... what I refer to as Left, down. This goal is described in detail in an excellent book on the subject entitled, "Lords of the Left Hand Path (https://www.amazon.com/Lords-Left-Hand-Path-Forbidden-Practices/dp/1594774676/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1506355163&sr=8-1&keywords=lords+of+the+left+hand+path)."

So this guy is "selling" out of both sides of his mouth.

[Chester]

Interesting too...

Separated at birth? One named "Damon" (demon / daemon)

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Interestingly - (from this link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Damon))


He continued to garner praise from critics for his roles as... ...a fallen angel in Dogma (1999)

[Wind]

Time after time it has been witnessed that the ego is very fallible to the temptations of the carnal desires and power. Especially with these young faces there seems to be something off putting. I had first heard of Bentinho many years ago, but when I tried to watch his stuff I just felt that it wasn't for me. Same is with Teal for example. She is pretty to look at, but the energy is "off", so to speak. I did once watch her videos, but I couldn't get really anything out of them. You can also just observe their output and see the discrepancies in what they say and do. It is a different thing to talk the talk and actually walk the walk. Truly enlightened teachers are another thing... Ye shall know them by their fruits.

I don't usually like to write these kind of things as it almost feels like I'm doing a put-down, but it's not really so. There are just too many predators preying on the vulnerable and someone needs to do something about that or there will never be an end to that. The more people observe and pay attention to these kind of things, the more aware we will become. Cults are a thing of the past.

Humanity has been afflicted with a collectivel spiritual and mental disease for a long time and we can only begin the collective healing process by facing our own shadow as a species. Darkness thrives only in darkness, but it cannot thrive in the open in the light. Others can be our guiding lights on our journey, but no one should be above us or be an authority over us. When someone is asking for unquestioned obedience, it just can't be good thing. Do not give your power to others, learn to listen to your inner voice. To the voice of your Self, your heart.

[Justplain]

I agree with Wind, dont give yourself over to seemingly esoteric nonsense. No positive higher consciousness would ever possess nor control a person's body, especially doing something harmful to something else (no matter what 'handed path' they are on). Dont risk polluting your consciousness with communication from negative sources. I wont listen to these people, i read enough in this thread to tell me that these people are either crazy or possessed. Be very selective what you let into your precious consciousness, and for the most part try to keep it to the constructive.

Peace and love.

[Praxis]

I didnt know about this person before this thread.

Now that I know about this person, I dont care and will go back to not caring about this person(which is easier when you dont know about them).

It seems that making this thread did nothing but just make me know about some dude I dont care about and also since he is now in my awareness he is winning.
Why exactly are you warning us about someone we, at least I, didnt even know exists?

You are aware that this entire thread is actually just helping spread his message. By posting this guy, you are spreading his ideas. Why?

People who have no empathy or compassion, with arrogance and confidence to boot, elevate themselves into positions of leadership in whatever realm takes their fantasy. They are dangerous individuals because they ooze charm and confidence whilst leading people into making very bad choices.

If we do not out these people – who else is going to stop them from doing harm to others - which by default does harm to communities, which by default does harm to the world, which by default does harm to the universe.

Good thing you outed him for me otherwise I might not have caught on that he is clearly sociopathic.

You are giving this person way too much importance and mind space.

[Chester]

Good thing you outed him for me otherwise I might not have caught on that he is clearly sociopathic.


Fortunately - all life is not just about you.

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Sounds like he's read a bunch of Anton LaVey, Aleister Crowley, and Christopher Hyatt.

[KansasGirl]

This is so messed up it's beyond expression. The part about the kitten, so awful, beyond words awful. He sounds like a serial killer in training. If Corey's followers aren't bothered by this guy, then there is no hope for them waking from whatever fantasy land they live in under Corey's (and Wilcock's) direction. Disturbing. Thanks for posting this.

[Mike]

i thought it was a pretty good presentation.

i didnt find the guy to be manipulative or anything. he just kinda regurgitated a whole bunch of stuff we've all read or heard before and made a coherent talk out of it.

he was pretty insightful. well spoken. clearly smart.

decent show.

one thing that was kinda interesting was when he appeared to lump in Corey's blue chickens with the 5d manipulators he discussed in the beginning of the chat. wonder how the "insiders insider" felt about that one.

unfortunately in our community, when it comes to views on these "alt" media figures it seems youre either regarded as a mindless "follower" or a curmudgeony cynic. but there are quite a few of us who aren't so polarized, and have nuanced opinions. neither side can tolerate this however, and the mindless followers will accuse you of being a curmudgeony cynic, and the curmudgeony cynics will accuse you of being a mindless follower. they need you to be on a *team*. it infuriates them that they can't tag and label you; they can't hold nuance in their atrophied minds, so they just assign you a label anyway...no matter how many times you declare you don't wholeheartedly identify with either side...*because they need a clear target to direct their frustrations at*.

when i see a demonstration like this, it confuses me that folks can have such definitive opinions on things that seem so inherently nebulous. im beginning to despise this word, but i spose people get "triggered". i dunno. i likely wouldn't attend any of his talks, nor buy any of his books, but i kind of enjoyed his talk and fail to see how he might qualify as a sociopath, or some kind of malevolent manipulator. i'm a practical, feet on the ground type of guy, but i still reserve some space in myself for this type of stuff. and viewed from this space, i thought the guy was alright.

[Feritciva]

I didnt know about this person before this thread.

Now that I know about this person, I dont care and will go back to not caring about this person(which is easier when you dont know about them).

It seems that making this thread did nothing but just make me know about some dude I dont care about and also since he is now in my awareness he is winning.
Why exactly are you warning us about someone we, at least I, didnt even know exists?

You are aware that this entire thread is actually just helping spread his message. By posting this guy, you are spreading his ideas. Why?

Totally & definitely agreed.

And claiming that "we have to expose these dark agenda blablabla" is one way of saying "you are not capable enough to understand darkness from light, you have no discernment of protecting yourself from sociopaths, here let me show you the way".

This guy was someone I didnt know existed before this thread & still has no importance for me. But here we are making a thread about him and talking & talking & talking... WTF indeed??

[Gemma13]

i thought it was a pretty good presentation.

i didnt find the guy to be manipulative or anything. he just kinda regurgitated a whole bunch of stuff we've all read or heard before and made a coherent talk out of it.

he was pretty insightful. well spoken. clearly smart.

decent show.

one thing that was kinda interesting was when he appeared to lump in Corey's blue chickens with the 5d manipulators he discussed in the beginning of the chat. wonder how the "insiders insider" felt about that one.

unfortunately in our community, when it comes to views on these "alt" media figures it seems youre either regarded as a mindless "follower" or a curmudgeony cynic. but there are quite a few of us who aren't so polarized, and have nuanced opinions. neither side can tolerate this however, and the mindless followers will accuse you of being a curmudgeony cynic, and the curmudgeony cynics will accuse you of being a mindless follower. they need you to be on a *team*. it infuriates them that they can't tag and label you; they can't hold nuance in their atrophied minds, so they just assign you a label anyway...no matter how many times you declare you don't wholeheartedly identify with either side...*because they need a clear target to direct their frustrations at*.

when i see a demonstration like this, it confuses me that folks can have such definitive opinions on things that seem so inherently nebulous. im beginning to despise this word, but i spose people get "triggered". i dunno. i likely wouldn't attend any of his talks, nor buy any of his books, but i kind of enjoyed his talk and fail to see how he might qualify as a sociopath, or some kind of malevolent manipulator. i'm a practical, feet on the ground type of guy, but i still reserve some space in myself for this type of stuff. and viewed from this space, i thought the guy was alright.
Appreciate the objective (and personal) commentary Mike, (and others) – it’s vital that healthy debate on this, or any topic, is balanced.

The point is to encourage deeper investigation and research into Massaro and Goode, (as well as all Spiritual Leaders), by never taking everything they say on blind faith because of their ability to deliver an attractive sermon.

To also equally question and investigate the information provided by critics with the view to at least doing this before personally investing time, money and sanity to these individuals; let alone promoting them to other people who trust your judgments. Then we can provide a “duty of care” to our communities when sharing.

Holding nuance in one’s mind is ironically why this thread exists. My interpretation differs from yours though. Massaro is a master of nuance which is why he has a considerable following. He throws in an evolving mish mash of spiritual/cosmic themes (which now includes ET Disclosure) and applies nuance to capture his audience. (And if you spend enough time investigating him you will identify that he is always manipulating and testing the waters of his audience by engaging with “Don’t you agree? Wouldn’t you agree?”)

Unfortunately it is well proven that people can dangerously only hold onto the bits (the nuance) they resonate with whilst ignoring, forgiving, and discarding the rest.
Which is why Massaro and Goode’s nuance is the perfect trap.

The potential for individuals and communities to be seduced into cults is not speculation. IT IS FACT. We have enormous volumes of information at our disposal to help us try to prevent the tragedy of these situations happening at the outset by at least considering the warning signs before taking another step down an ominous path; whether it’s for oneself, a family member, friend, or general community.

There is nothing nebulous about this; unless one is only viewing this from a “me” perspective which can disincline an individual from doing further research. And if that “me” perspective is objective enough to not invest, not care, not be bothered with, then all well and good.
And for the “me” perspective that scans this news and finds it intrusive and offensive to their “me sphere”, so be it.

“Taking sides and needing to be on a team”: hmm well when it comes to happening upon wolves in sheep clothing that meet me head on in the community I choose to engage with, then yeah, I will put my hand up to take a protective side aimed at preventing sinister tricksters from preying on good hearted people. This is my choice. It is not for everyone.

Hoping I have been clear enough to clarify that this is so far removed, that it doesn’t even hit in the ballpark, for being about “finding a target to direct frustration at”.

Cheers

[Gemma13]

I didnt know about this person before this thread.

Now that I know about this person, I dont care and will go back to not caring about this person(which is easier when you dont know about them).

It seems that making this thread did nothing but just make me know about some dude I dont care about and also since he is now in my awareness he is winning.
Why exactly are you warning us about someone we, at least I, didnt even know exists?

You are aware that this entire thread is actually just helping spread his message. By posting this guy, you are spreading his ideas. Why?

Totally & definitely agreed.

And claiming that "we have to expose these dark agenda blablabla" is one way of saying "you are not capable enough to understand darkness from light, you have no discernment of protecting yourself from sociopaths, here let me show you the way".

This guy was someone I didnt know existed before this thread & still has no importance for me. But here we are making a thread about him and talking & talking & talking... WTF indeed??

Yes how sad we still don’t live in a world yet where we don’t need to have these conversations.

[Hervé]

I didnt know about this person before this thread.

Now that I know about this person, I dont care and will go back to not caring about this person(which is easier when you dont know about them).
[...][...]
This guy was someone I didnt know existed before this thread & still has no importance for me. But here we are making a thread about him and talking & talking & talking... WTF indeed??

https://heatherstinnett.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/head-in-the-sand-lion-blog.jpg?w=1024&h=791



Nothing to see here... move along...

Anyway, what that Massaro guy is doing, in cahoot with Goode, is recruiting "like-minded" people... that's an army of psychopaths... you know... like the cops shooting dead weaponless and compliant grannies, etc...

[Feritciva]

Hilarious! So you're the only ones who are enlightened and NOT stick your heads into sand.

OK moving on. Nothing to see for me here indeed - except some inflated egos.. :silent:

[Gemma13]

Hilarious! So you're the only ones who are enlightened and NOT stick your heads into sand.

OK moving on. Nothing to see for me here indeed - except some inflated egos.. :silent:

On the contrary. I’ve been burnt through naivety many times. But I’ve come to learn to pay attention to this old proverb:

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[Hervé]

Knowledge protects: Learn the attack methods of the dark triad personalities (https://blogs.psychcentral.com/psychology-self/2017/09/narcissistic-projection/)

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Most narcissists (http://blog.selfarcheology.com/2017/05/narcissism-what-it-is-and-isnt.html) generally lack self-awareness. Indeed, their sense of self-esteem and self-worth depends on how others perceive them, and they tend to deny flaws in themselves and blame others for their own shortcomings, mistakes, and misfortunes. This is called projection, and people with narcissistic tendencies are projection-heavy individuals.

Here we will explore five different but related ways people with strong narcissistic, sociopathic and psychopathic tendencies (https://blogs.psychcentral.com/psychology-self/2017/08/psychopathy-and-feelings/) deny, project, blame, confuse, and hurt others.

1. Calling you things that you are not
A classic example, "You're cheating on me," when you are not, but you can bet they're cheating on you.

Or, "You're selfish because you don't want to do what I am asking you to do. You only think about yourself." Meanwhile they are the ones who constantly make up excuses, break promises, are unreliable, think only about themselves, or compete with you. Not only that, they will forget all the things that you have already done for them.

In their eyes, they are entitled to your resources (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmXYrxQx7GE) (time, money, energy), and you are aggressing against them when you won't, can't, or don't give them what they want. They will not reciprocate unless there is some reason for them to. They will use various manipulation and abuse tactics like name calling, mocking, bullying, triangulation, minimizing, character defamation, berating feelings, trolling, obscuring the issue, deflecting, gaslighting, guilt-tripping, provoking, unreasonable criticism, nitpicking, or plain verbal abuse... all to make you feel bad and give into their demands.

If it's not you, then there's always someone else. "Look how horrible this other person is! And do you know what that person did?" Meaning, forget about me and my shortcomings; let's find someone else with flaws and talk about them. That way, in their mind, we don't have to think about my shortcomings, or we will come to a conclusion that I'm great by default because everyone else is so horrible.

2. Grandiosity, mimicking, and exaggeration
Narcissists think that they are super-ultra-turbo-mega special, that they deserve exceptional treatment, or that they are justified in hurting others. They have grandiose goals and exaggerate their achievements to appear more impressive and more superior.

Narcissists often feel a need to compete with others since they are factually not that special and terribly insecure on top of it. They will pretend, lie, hurt or exploit others, or do whatever else they deem necessary for personal gain.

As a result, they may take upon other people's character traits and achievements. This originates from a place of envy and self-aggrandizement. Often to the degree of mimicking, plagiarizing, stealing, and being a fraud, all while defaming and belittling others. This is meant to destroy the credibility of their victims while appearing to be more competent themselves. This provides a handy distraction from what is really going on.

This is another weird form of projection where they see something they admire in someone (be it actually admirable or just a status symbol), and then instead of actually working on achieving it they simply claim they already have it or that they are entitled to it. Usually simply by saying it, with confidence and conviction. Consequently, as they claim the positive traits, achievements or characteristics of others, they discard their own negative features onto their victims. They may or may not be aware that it is happening, but it is happening nevertheless.

This whole process requires a lot of delusion, pretending, and deception. Sadly, many people fall for that and see the narcissist as this wonderful and amazing human being that they present themselves as, yet in actuality are light years from.

3. Preemptive strike
Whenever a narcissistic person feels threatened (http://blog.selfarcheology.com/2017/05/narcissism-part-3-how-narcissists-act.html), they will call you the things that they see themselves as or are afraid that others see them as. And then they will try to stalk you, slander you, or discredit you. They will try to sabotage and destroy you. They will start a smear campaign and attempt character assassination. In their mind, frighteningly, you have become their mortal enemy.

They also have no problem doing all of it preemptively and calling it defense.

So if you privately call them out, set healthier boundaries, or end the relationship, they may be afraid that you can see their flaws, or that you will tell others what kind of person they are. Whether you do that or not is not important to them. Because in their mind the mere possibility of it is a good enough excuse to label you as an enemy. And because a narcissistic type of person has little or no empathy, they may imagine that you will behave as they would in these situations. If they would lie, or more likely are already lying, they will accuse you of lying.

And so they will do all these things just because they think you are somehow trying to or might hurt them. They also will accuse you of the very things they themselves are doing.

4. Playing the victim
A common narcissistic strategy is to play the victim. "You hurt me! Poor, poor me." Instead of working through the issue with you or internally, they have no problem dragging others into it by lying and painting you as the perpetrator and themselves as the victim.

Oftentimes, this involves the aforementioned preemptive strike or provoking to get a reaction. For example, destroying your property, slandering you, turning people against you, or physically attacking you. And then when you respond appropriately to their active or passive aggression, now they can say that you're the aggressor because you are hurting them or that you're unreasonable because of your "wild, unacceptable behavior."

It's callous and calculated, and again, it involves accusing you of the things that they themselves are doing or have done. So it's not uncommon that the audience of this dramatic spectacle doesn't see the whole picture or doesn't care enough to figure out the full story. It is not uncommon that many will take the side of the narcissist. The narcissist is desperate that their spectacle be believed for the sake of their emotional management, so much so that they will say and do almost anything.

For a narcissist, it is rarely about the truth and almost always about their audience's perception.

This way they receive false validation that they are right and good, and that you are wrong and evil. Here, their sense of self-esteem is restored (http://blog.selfarcheology.com/2017/05/narcissism-and-self-esteem.html) and their feelings of shame and inadequacy are managed. So it's all well and good. Except for those who got hurt-but who cares about them, right?

5. The "No, you!" defense
If you call them out on their crap or if they suspect you can see through their smoke and mirrors, they will say that it's you-or others-who are all these things. Or that all of it is false and nonsense. They may even say that they are honest, caring, and authentic, and that you don't understand these things, you are projecting, you are pretending, you are triggered, you are gaslighting, you are narcissistic-you are whatever buzzword they have learned!

Because people with narcissistic tendencies can be interested in human psychology, too. A lot of them actually work in the helping and teaching fields or pretend to be experts on social media (https://blogs.psychcentral.com/psychology-self/2017/09/social-media-addiction/). Many of them are really smart, eloquent, and popular, which makes their statements more believable to an unaware audience.

They can learn all these fancy terms and phrases, yet they often don't understand or even care about how to apply them correctly. Here, it's another tool for manipulation. For them, learning means finding ways to justify all of their disturbing thoughts and behaviors, or use the knowledge as a tool against others for personal gain.

They will do anything but accept reality and become a decent person-yet they can play one quite well.


Related:
The numerous tactics that narcissists, sociopaths and psychopaths use to manipulate and silence you (https://www.sott.net/article/348999-The-numerous-tactics-that-narcissists-sociopaths-and-psychopaths-use-to-manipulate-and-silence-you)

[Mike]

Thanks for the thoughtful reply Gemma. Nice post. I hear you..

I view this man more as a parody. He's got the perfect hair. Flawless complexion. Everything about him is tidy and neat. In American movies, he'd be the exaggerated young guru with the silly sounding accent giving the composed, feel good presentation to thousands before going backstage to have a massive temper tantrum after noticing a budding zit on his forehead. Personally, I'm more amused than worried about him.

He certainly has a sense of self importance. But not every egotist is a sociopath. I listened to the cat story, but wasnt too concerned. When I was a boy, many of the neighborhood kids tortured lizards, shot bee bees at squirrels, plucked the wings off dragon flies and watched them stagger around etc etc. Most of those people turned out alright. Plus, this guy said he was crying while it all occured(with the cat). A sociopath wouldn't cry.

I don't want to get into the business of defending this guy. His shtick isn't really my cup of tea, but I think he's okay *as far as this stuff goes*. It's like squash. I'm not really a fan, but if someone puts just the right amount of cinnamon and sugar on it, I might eat it. Then again, I might not. Either way, I don't have much of an opinion.

I guess what I'm saying is, I don't think this guy has done enough yet for me to have a definitive opinion. When he made the comment " ..then the blue avians will really like you...", I sensed sarcasm. This is just my feeling, but I don't think he thinks much of Corey.

I think his spiritualism is a little flaky. But he's young. He's on a journey , like all of us. Evolving. My spiritualism was pretty flaky years ago too. Maybe it still is

[Foxie Loxie]

Herve...nice description of my first husband!!! :highfive:

[Mike]

Herve...nice description of my first husband!!! :highfive:

.....and the perfect description of an ex girlfriend of mine. If she were still talking to me, I'd send that description over to her now:). of course it wouldn't matter, as she'd view it as an "attack" and revert to "playing the victim" all over again...

[Chester]

I didnt know about this person before this thread.

Now that I know about this person, I dont care and will go back to not caring about this person(which is easier when you dont know about them).

It seems that making this thread did nothing but just make me know about some dude I dont care about and also since he is now in my awareness he is winning.
Why exactly are you warning us about someone we, at least I, didnt even know exists?

You are aware that this entire thread is actually just helping spread his message. By posting this guy, you are spreading his ideas. Why?

Totally & definitely agreed.

And claiming that "we have to expose these dark agenda blablabla" is one way of saying "you are not capable enough to understand darkness from light, you have no discernment of protecting yourself from sociopaths, here let me show you the way".

This guy was someone I didnt know existed before this thread & still has no importance for me. But here we are making a thread about him and talking & talking & talking... WTF indeed??

Do you know exactly where the magic line is drawn between those who should be left on their own for self protection and those who might benefit from the assistance of others?

Do you believe there is such a thing as "the vulnerable?"

If not - think again...

Short Summary of Hollie Greig Case (https://www.henrymakow.com/holly_greig_for_dummies.html)

[DeDukshyn]

I didnt know about this person before this thread.

Now that I know about this person, I dont care and will go back to not caring about this person(which is easier when you dont know about them).

It seems that making this thread did nothing but just make me know about some dude I dont care about and also since he is now in my awareness he is winning.
Why exactly are you warning us about someone we, at least I, didnt even know exists?

You are aware that this entire thread is actually just helping spread his message. By posting this guy, you are spreading his ideas. Why?

Totally & definitely agreed.

And claiming that "we have to expose these dark agenda blablabla" is one way of saying "you are not capable enough to understand darkness from light, you have no discernment of protecting yourself from sociopaths, here let me show you the way".

This guy was someone I didnt know existed before this thread & still has no importance for me. But here we are making a thread about him and talking & talking & talking... WTF indeed??

Do you know exactly where the magic line is drawn between those who should be left on their own for self protection and those who might benefit from the assistance of others?

Do you believe there is such a thing as "the vulnerable?"

If not - think again...

Short Summary of Hollie Greig Case (https://www.henrymakow.com/holly_greig_for_dummies.html)


Hi Sam,

"The vulnerable", in this case you bring up, are vulnerable due to their specific mindset -- vulnerable by being "followers" by nature / past life influence / upbringing. They are also vulnerable due to "saviour mentality". These two qualities are what makes them vulnerable. Corey or whoever, do nothing to make these people have this vulnerability. They have it now and may have it long after Corey has vanished from the world of attention. This vulnerability is built in to them.

This vulnerability, while not serving them, is near impossible to pry from them; not unlike an addiction. How do we treat addiction? We write about the dangers of it on forums and hope that the afflicted read our wise words where they will instantly be cured like a miracle. </sarcasm> :) We know that the addict has to take steps to cure himself or there is no cure. We know an addict has to lose a lot (sometimes everything) to change their ways. The need to get burned by their addiction before they can even come to the realization that their justifications for keeping their addictions are lies and destructive. Only after that can they begin to get the mindset that they need to change. Before that point, almost everything anyone ever says to them about how they need to quit / address their addiction has less value than the justification and excuses they can make to themselves for keeping it.


Without trying to sound cold, (but I am a little), those afflicted with described "vulnerability" need personal experiences that overtly rub in their face the flaws of their mentality toward such things. How many people went a little "woo-woo" before end of 2012? A reasonable number. How many were brought at least a little bit, back to earth when nothing apparent of significance ever happened relating to that? A good fraction of those -- many Avalon members here aren't too proud to admit this happened to them.

All in all, these are self correcting problems -- when the blue Avians don't ever actually do anything, people will move on from that story and learn a little, or if not, maybe they'll move on to the next religious fad as it is their mindset that hosts the issue, not the content.

I have no judgements on this guy in the OP videos, never watched the videos / never heard of him, but I don't need to see the content to understand how the mind works in those who fanatically follow religions / fads / cults.


In that thought, I have to somewhat agree with Feritciva and Praxis. The OP guy has ~500 views on both of the 2nd and third (1 year old) videos posted here ... just being posted on Avalon, I imaging the numbers on both those videos could easily double in a very short time. This presentation does nothing to address the root cause of the "vulnerability", but does potentially give a new channel for those vulnerable to cling to, in whatever method they came to it.

Again, I'm not judging the guys content - not the purposes of my post, but just on the "reverse" saviour mindset that we need to save everyone we see as "needing to be saved".

Life is the greatest teacher anyone can have - let's ensure we consider it and not take it for granted - for ourselves and for others. Something I have to remind myself often when working with my children.

[Chester]

I can assure you, as an addict who currently has all but six years sobriety, that every single thing, including the very thing some of us are doing here to raise awareness (by providing evidence and argument), has all had a positive impact on my maintenance of my sobriety.

I happen to have a son who has the same conditions I have - a dual condition of both "bipolar" and "addiction" (alcohol, weed and other drugs) and he has also shown vulnerability with regards to "buy in" to much of the woo woo some of us here have attempted to point out. And I can state from first hand experience that my son's dual problem has been more difficult to deal with because of his buy in to much of the Wilcock crap.

About four months ago my son was being taken to his probation officer by his mother when he called me and asked me if his mother "was taking me [him] to my execution." I asked him why in the world he would think something like this (knowing he was also experiencing a rather severe psychosis) and his answer was because "the illuminati wants him dead." This led to more information and fortunately I was able to calm him enough to meet with the probation officer. If he hadn't, he would have had his probation revoked.

This is reality experience I am sharing. I don't wish to have to share in this way but it is the only way I feel I can legitimately make my point and that point is...

Most of us here believe there's much more going on in our world than we are shown and told. Most of this most believe we are being deliberately deceived and not for our own good. So with that in mind we have the brave who risk their own well being to research and expose what they can. Some of us believe that it does us no good to sit back and stand idle while fairy tales take center stage and throw off even further the already manipulated masses and this is what this thread and the "Corey exposed" thread is all about.

No one has to read it if they don't want to. Some folks have actually experienced "the light bulb" going on inside their own heads just from reading some of the posts in some of these threads.

I cannot imagine anyone "complaining" about anyone else's efforts to expose frauds.

[DeDukshyn]

I cannot imagine anyone "complaining" about anyone else's efforts to expose frauds.

As someone close to the issue of addictions I trust you understand my analogy.

It's not the efforts I addressed, and I did not complain of myself, but it is rather the effectiveness of such efforts, as I detailed, in comparison to true learning through personal experience. Thanks for all your contributions here Sam, none of this is a slight toward you, that is for certain. :)

[Daozen]

I was going to write something similar to what DeDukshyn said. People have their own lessons to learn at their own pace. There's enough info out there for readers to make up their own minds. At most there must be a few hundred people falling for these demagogues. The time spent 'saving' them could be better spent on other projects. OK, we want to protect the vulnerable... good sentiment. But 5 hours spent debunking the latest demagogue, who has ensnared all of 3 dozen people....

Could that 5 hours have been spent helping other vulnerables, people who want to be helped?

- What about the rainforest being cut down?
- Brazlian street kids?
- The debt crisis?
- The homeless?
- The cancer crisis?

Why are Corey debunkers distraught about the few dozen people who believe Corey, and displaying nothing but indifference towards all the other problems in the world?

In 5 hours I could research technology that could eventually help hundreds of thousands of people, and present it in an article.

Spending hours debunking these internet fraudsters is valiant enough, I guess... but when you look at the balance sheet, it seems like a massive amount of effort to help just a few people. Meanwhile, millions of people are suffering and they are completely ignored by the UFOlogy intelligentsia.

Why focus on a bunch of confused bird worshippers who want to be lied to?

This is not meant to be a slight towards anyone participating in this thread, just a suggestion that people look at the greater context.

[norman]

I was going to write something similar to what DeDukshyn said. People have their own lessons to learn at their own pace. There's enough info out there for readers to make up their own minds. At most there must be a few hundred people falling for these demagogues. The time spent 'saving' them could be better spent on other projects. OK, we want to protect the vulnerable... good sentiment. But 5 hours spent debunking the latest demagogue, who has ensnared all of 3 dozen people....

Could that 5 hours have been spent helping other vulnerables, people who want to be helped?

- What about the rainforest being cut down?
- Brazlian street kids?
- The debt crisis?
- The homeless?
- The cancer crisis?

Why are Corey debunkers distraught about the few dozen people who believe Corey, and displaying nothing but indifference towards all the other problems in the world?

In 5 hours I could research technology that could eventually help hundreds of thousands of people, and present it in an article.

Spending hours debunking these internet fraudsters is valiant enough, I guess... but when you look at the balance sheet, it seems like a massive amount of effort to help just a few people. Meanwhile, millions of people are suffering and they are completely ignored by the UFOlogy intelligentsia.

Why focus on a bunch of confused bird worshippers who want to be lied to?

This is not meant to be a slight towards anyone participating in this thread, just a suggestion that people look at the greater context.


There is always a potential for a "larger context" with the Corey Goode phenomenon that could equal all other threats to the furure of humanity.

The youngsters getting scooped up in the story may have contributed terminal damage to the general human condition/society by the time they reach their own personal realisation of their folly.

I'm in no doubt that there are people in powerful positions who will waste no time in using such a social movement to further an agenda of human lockdown. In this case, probably through socialisation of dodgy "spiritual" memes.

The recent rash of enthusiastic millenials on youtube fanning the Corey Goode flames do SO much resemble the tedious and irritating buffooning social justice warriors of a previous generation. All low level mental hooks being propagated ferociously via a mass medium that none of us here now have ever seen the clout of before.

Vigilance in these matters is as uncharted as is the power of the internet in general.

[Chester]

I was going to write something similar to what DeDukshyn said. People have their own lessons to learn at their own pace. There's enough info out there for readers to make up their own minds. At most there must be a few hundred people falling for these demagogues. The time spent 'saving' them could be better spent on other projects. OK, we want to protect the vulnerable... good sentiment. But 5 hours spent debunking the latest demagogue, who has ensnared all of 3 dozen people....

Could that 5 hours have been spent helping other vulnerables, people who want to be helped?

- What about the rainforest being cut down?
- Brazlian street kids?
- The debt crisis?
- The homeless?
- The cancer crisis?

Why are Corey debunkers distraught about the few dozen people who believe Corey, and displaying nothing but indifference towards all the other problems in the world?

In 5 hours I could research technology that could eventually help hundreds of thousands of people, and present it in an article.

Spending hours debunking these internet fraudsters is valiant enough, I guess... but when you look at the balance sheet, it seems like a massive amount of effort to help just a few people. Meanwhile, millions of people are suffering and they are completely ignored by the UFOlogy intelligentsia.

Why focus on a bunch of confused bird worshippers who want to be lied to?

This is not meant to be a slight towards anyone participating in this thread, just a suggestion that people look at the greater context.

I think the answer is a question. How do you know those folks are not also doing other things like you just suggested?

[Hervé]

Interesting views...

I see this thread as some means of spotting/detecting and handling the scourge which affects this planet and its creatures no matter the race, color, creed or upbringing... namely the characters known as narcissists, sociopaths and psychopaths... those same puppets who destroy this planet, are happy with exterminating those they made homeless, making big bucks out of deforestations, or peddling pills to healthy people so they can be sick and rely on big pharma... etc...

[DeDukshyn]

Interesting views...

I see this thread as some means of spotting/detecting and handling the scourge which affects this planet and its creatures no matter the race, color, creed or upbringing... namely the characters known as narcissists, sociopaths and psychopaths... those same puppets who destroy this planet, are happy with exterminating those they made homeless, making big bucks out of deforestations, or peddling pills to healthy people so they can be sick and rely on big pharma... etc...

"handling"? -- what do you mean by that? What on this thread is being handled?

[Hervé]

See # 3:

han·dling
(hănd′lĭng)
n.
1. A touching, feeling, or manipulating with the hands.

2. The process of packing and distributing merchandise: a charge for shipping and handling.

3. The way in which something is handled or taken care of: a situation that required delicate handling.

4. The way in which a presentation, especially an artistic or theatrical work, is treated.

American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.


handling
noun
management (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/management), running (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/running), treatment (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/treatment), approach (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/approach), administration (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/administration), conduct (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/conduct), manipulation (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/manipulation)
e.g.: The family has criticized the military's handling of the affair.

[Daozen]

I think the answer is a question. How do you know those folks are not also doing other things like you just suggested?

I can only go by what I see on Project Avalon. I have no idea what people are doing outside their writing here. I see hours and hours of time dedicated to debunking Corey Goode, and near zero time spent on other endeavours. From here it looks a little parochial and unbalanced. Like spending millions of dollars rescuing a cat during an Earthquake, when that money could have been better spent rescuing 100 humans.

I'm just suggesting people use some detachment and discernment.

Sociopaths are about 30% of the population. We can't beat them all. There comes a point where one is spending all day fighting shadows and demons. I decided to withdraw from the battle and focus on creating positive space. You can spend all day exposing the evil that is Monsanto, for example... but at some point, it would be wise to dig a vegetable garden. Likewise, we know big pharma is evil... but it helps to get on and build our own health networks. I don't want to spend my entire existence in this era embroiled in a pitched battle with a tar baby.

But each to their own, its a free will universe.

[Chester]

to ALL (especially Praxis, Mike, Feritciva, Dedukshyn and Daozen)

I have thought a great deal about all these posts...

Only history will tell if I actually changed my heart, but by posting the following, you can hold me to it or throw it back in my face.


I have experienced a shift in my core being which should manifest in ways I appear far less obsessed and distracted by these clowns. Again, we shall see.

I also add that I agree a bit more now with Praxis that it would be wiser not to raise other's attention about these clowns.

I also agree that it would be more beneficial to others that the time and energy I have spent focused on these clowns was put towards something clearly, directly beneficial... that can only help the world (even if only a teenie tiny bit) be a better place for all.

We shall see if this holds. Sammy

[WalterBosley]

Some of us who have spoken out about them are directly involved in the field which they have hijacked and steered into an errant direction. We said in the beginning of our commentaries that there was something more cultish going on than was being admitted by them. When things like Massaro's vids are pointed out, it is to back up what we have said. For my part, I said a couple videos back and elsewhere that I choose not to make all my commentary about them specifically, but ignoring them for two years led us to where we're at with these guys today. The time has come to be vocal and remain vocal. I would agree that people should stop making it a full time occupation to bash these carnival players.

[Chester]

Some of us who have spoken out about them are directly involved in the field which they have hijacked and steered into an errant direction. We said in the beginning of our commentaries that there was something more cultish going on than was being admitted by them. When things like Massaro's vids are pointed, it is to back up what we have said. For my part, I said a couple videos back and elsewhere that I choose not to make all my commentary about them specifically, but ignoring them for two years led us to where we're at with these guys today. The time has come to be vocal and remain vocal. I would agree that people should stop making it a full time occupation to bash these carnival players.

I agree with this fully. You have invested a great deal, too, Walter, in all your research and contributions to the real SSP research community. I, personally, believe you have the right to stand up against the usurpation of the legitimate research community. I agree fully with "something more cultish going on."

I also agree the association of Massero and Goode (and the rest) bolster this claim and thus bolster concern. You also make a very good point about "ignoring them for two years led us to where we're at with these guys today."

I think you make a very good argument with regards to being and remaining vocal.

Thanks for the last point... "a full time occupation" to bash these clowns... perhaps what I may end up doing is weighing in from time to time... less than before, yet certainly not ignore it. I get it better now... a little balance may be called for.

[Daozen]

I like to focus 80/20 on creating positive space, and 20 percent on clearing negativitiy. Its like cleaning a kitchen + cutting board. The guy who doesn't ever clean his kitchen will end up sick from bacteria buildup. But the guy who obsesses about germs will make himself sick with worry, and never get anything done. So I focus 20 percent on clearing negativity away, and 80% on creating positive space. In this example, creating positive space may be starting more threads on Avalon about honest and balanced UFOlogy commentators. This gives young people who are waking up something positive to coalsece around.

*

I just do not think this guiy Bencio Maracroni is the extant threat to Western civilizations other posters here seem to think he is. AFAC, he's just a dude on the internet blogging about his, like, spiritual experiences. I listened to ten seconds and it was alright.

So why the commotion? Its not like he's Hank Scorpio.

If he raises a guerrilla army and takes over the eastern seaboard, à la Cobra Commander/G.I. Joe... then I might start to worry. Until he shows himself capable of that, I'm going to get on with creating positive space, and occasionally helping out the debunkers. The psyop masters are well aware of the warrior energy that seeks to attack that which is false. So they provide us with many shadow puppets. After demagogue X is dealt with, there will be 1000 more... we will fight them, and then one day look around, dusk will have gone... and it will already be night. Life is short.

A ratio of 4-5 positive creation posts to every 1 debunking post is a loose rule I follow. YMMV.

[Wind]

https://theaqblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/edmund-burke-quote.png?w=680

[Foxie Loxie]

One of my favorite sayings, Wind!!! :highfive:

[DeDukshyn]

https://theaqblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/edmund-burke-quote.png?w=680

There's definitely truth in that, for certain. At the same time, there is this concept:

http://evolveconsciousness.org/media/2014/02/aldous-huxley-novelist-hell-isnt-merely-paved-with-good-intentions.jpg

Chaos theory (think butterfly effect) dictates that small actions can have huge impacts over periods of time. This effect allows the above quote to be true. We are rarely given the insights as to what exactly these long term effects will be. This thread has turned a little bit into a discussion on exactly a disagreement as to what long term effect a particular action may have.

I just want it to be considered that good intentions alone do not indicate a long term result that is necessarily positive, and the reverse also has to be considered -- many actions put forth with intent to harm or reduce actually end up having the reverse effect and it is really difficult to know which. The break down in mechanism as to how this might occur is lightly touched upon in my previous post here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99963-C.-Goode-and-B.-Massaro----buyer-beware-alert&p=1182189&viewfull=1#post1182189

This is the place that my consideration on this topic comes from -- it's not that I know that spreading information such as what is being discussed in this thread will cause more harm than good, but the mechanism, as touched on in my previous post, certainly does exist for this to potentially happen.

There is a saying ... "Any exposure is good exposure" -- and it is often very large corporations and marketing firms who say this -- Marketing firms are "results" people -- they study the effects of media exposure over a period of time in order to be able to predict a result -- they are experts in this field.

I was listening to a piece on the radio the other day that was also taking about this effect in regards to marketing and a real life example was given. A hotel in Toronto - quite a nice 4 star hotel happened to be in the vicinity of several fancier (and more expensive) 5 star hotels and was struggling. they had a bout an average of 40% occupancy. They hired a marketing firm, and the firm asked what their distinction was to it's competitors, and the said "nothing, we are the worst hotel in the entire area compared to the alternatives". The firm took that statement and took out several ads and billboards that advertised the hotel as "The worst hotel in (whatever the area of Toronto was called)". Within weeks their occupancy rate move toward 80%

Two points to this example -- badmouthing can indeed be an effective form of advertisement, and that actions can at times definitely invoke the opposite response of what is expected. Chaos theory indicates that quite often, we won't know the overall effect over a period of time, and more often than not, we have few if any ways to be able to measure the real result.


Many years ago I had a discussion with my manager about distribution of wealth on the planet. "Did you know that if all money was equally distributed to every human, it would be a bout $11 million for each person? Extreme greed of a few is what is causing all the financial struggles for every person on the planet! All we need to do is redistribute!" I said to him, expecting him to agree with me - It was a bit of a jab as he spent many years working for Eli Lily (Big Pharma).

He thought for a quick second and returned, "And within ten years, all that wealth will again be controlled by the 1% because suckers are born everyday and sharks will be lined up convincing them in whatever way to hand over their wealth; distributing wealth won't do a thing to fix the suckers or the sharks"

He was right dammit ...


It all needs to be looked at from a broad perspective.

This isn't an argument (in any way) for sitting and doing nothing, it is an argument for really considering putting thought, resources, intentions and efforts, in those thing that over time have a greater chance to create the ideal "reward". (sometimes this takes careful, broad view considerations as opposed to reactive responses) These things fall closer into the concepts for action that Daozen was referring to.

[KansasGirl]

This question is for Daozen:

Have you ever been in a relationship with a narcissist? A lover, or friend, family member?

[DeDukshyn]

This question is for Daozen:

Have you ever been in a relationship with a narcissist? A lover, or friend, family member?

Ha! I'd love to add input to that, as one who had three children with a narcissist, and thus must maintain a relationship (of sorts) with her. However, I'll wait to see what Daozen has to say ... :)

[Franny]

Many years ago I had a discussion with my manager about distribution of wealth on the planet. "Did you know that if all money was equally distributed to every human, it would be a bout $11 million for each person? Extreme greed of a few is what is causing all the financial struggles for every person on the planet! All we need to do is redistribute!" I said to him, expecting him to agree with me - It was a bit of a jab as he spent many years working for Eli Lily (Big Pharma).

He thought for a quick second and returned, "And within ten years, all that wealth will again be controlled by the 1% because suckers are born everyday and sharks will be lined up convincing them in whatever way to hand over their wealth; distributing wealth won't do a thing to fix the suckers or the sharks"

He was right dammit ...

This thread and story in particular lead to a thought that lead to another and I was reminded of a conversation...

Years ago I was talking to a man that was a member of a Northwest American Indian tribe. We were talking about the prevalence of articles, books and studies on the seeming growing number of narcissists, psychopaths and sociopaths at the top of the power pyramids of every area of society; education, law, religion, entertainment, commerce, medicine etc..

He said back in the good old days when people like this emerged in his tribe's culture it disrupted the families and community just as it does now. But it was recognized and they were never allowed to rise to the top, they were contained if possible to keep the disruption to an absolute minimum. If that didn't work, it would be dealt with. Perhaps, he said, six men would go hunting and only 5 would return. Perhaps he fell off a steep cliff or fell into the river and his spirit was returned to the Creator to heal.

Relative peace and balance were restored to the community and life went on.

Not that we should start dropping such folk into rivers, he said. But we should recognize that by allowing and eventually normalizing and even legalizing these behaviors into our culture, it shifts into directions that are not healthy and balanced. And so, here we are.

[Jayke]

Years ago I was talking to a man that was a member of a Northwest American Indian tribe. We were talking about the prevalence of articles, books and studies on the seeming growing number of narcissists, psychopaths and sociopaths at the top of the power pyramids of every area of society; education, law, religion, entertainment, commerce, medicine etc..

He said back in the good old days when people like this emerged in his tribe's culture it disrupted the families and community just as it does now. But it was recognized and they were never allowed to rise to the top, they were contained if possible to keep the disruption to an absolute minimum. If that didn't work, it would be dealt with. Perhaps, he said, six men would go hunting and only 5 would return. Perhaps he fell off a steep cliff or fell into the river and his spirit was returned to the Creator to heal.

Relative peace and balance were restored to the community and life went on.

Not that we should start dropping such folk into rivers, he said. But we should recognize that by allowing and eventually normalizing and even legalizing these behaviors into our culture, it shifts into directions that are not healthy and balanced. And so, here we are.

There's a very similar philosophy found in Confucianism, known as 'the rectification of names'. "The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their right name"

..."A superior man, in regard to what he does not know, shows a cautious reserve. If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success. When affairs cannot be carried on to success, proprieties and music do not flourish. When proprieties and music do not flourish, punishments will not be properly awarded. When punishments are not properly awarded, the people do not know how to move hand or foot. Therefore a superior man considers it necessary that the names he uses may be spoken appropriately, and also that what he speaks may be carried out appropriately. What the superior man requires is just that in his words there may be nothing incorrect."

— Confucius, Analects, Book XIII, Chapter 3, verses 4-7, translated by James Legge[24]

Without calling things by the right name, sociopaths and psychopaths might get labelled as leaders and spiritual teachers, and once those people are held in high esteem due to their position and authority in society. It doesn't matter how much time you spend creating beneficial works (or growing vegetable gardens) because some sociopath in power will create laws that enables them to steal your creative works for themselves. Ayn Rands novels for instance are really just social commentaries on the abuses of communism and how beaurocrats gain their power by parasitically stealing the creative works of noble individuals.

The yuga cycles are driven by people's forgetfulness or rememberance of how to call things by their right name.


When the Great Tao prevailed the whole world was one community. Men of talent and virtue were chosen to lead the people, their words were sincere and they cultivated harmony....This was called the Age of Universality - Confucius

Learning to spot the wolves in sheeps clothing is an essential part of our own character development and an essential part of societies character development. Which is why threads like this building awareness of how to spot the red flags in other people's character can be a great training wheel imo. It's how suckers stop being suckers and sharks get tasered for being sharks...(operative conditioning to bring them back to a state of morality).

In conclusion, I'd agree with Daozen that the 20-80 rule is the best way to go, being creative is more important than hacking other people down, but if the left hand isn't aware of what the right hand is up to, then that's when society can start to become misplaced.

[norman]

. . . . He said back in the good old days when people like this emerged in his tribe's culture it disrupted the families and community just as it does now. But it was recognized and they were never allowed to rise to the top, they were contained if possible to keep the disruption to an absolute minimum. . . . .



That's very much what I think this thread is about here. Keeping an eye on things.

[Hervé]

[...]
This thread and story in particular lead to a thought that lead to another and I was reminded of a conversation...
[...]
Yep!

It seems elders all over the world had an intelligence of these characters and/or personalities... as I recounted here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96642-The-Rise-Of-Psychopathy-Ponerization-Terrorism-And-Where-This-World-Order-is-Headed&p=1140676&viewfull=1#post1140676) (<---):
On another hand, people with long, very ancient traditions designed their own way of detecting and dealing with these characters:
In a 1976 study anthropologist Jane M. Murphy, then at Harvard University, found that an isolated group of Yupik-speaking Inuits near the Bering Strait had a term (kunlangeta) they used to describe
“a man who … repeatedly lies and cheats and steals things and … takes sexual advantage of many women—someone who does not pay attention to reprimands and who is always being brought to the elders for punishment.”
When Murphy asked an Inuit what the group would typically do with a kunlangeta, he replied, “Somebody would have pushed him off the ice when nobody else was looking.”
I also mentioned - here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=496424&viewfull=1#post496424) - that the Gypsy/Tzigan designed tests to run on kids to detect if they were tribe chief / leader material or to never let them anywhere near a position of power.

[DeDukshyn]

. . . . He said back in the good old days when people like this emerged in his tribe's culture it disrupted the families and community just as it does now. But it was recognized and they were never allowed to rise to the top, they were contained if possible to keep the disruption to an absolute minimum. . . . .



That's very much what I think this thread is about here. Keeping an eye on things.

Yeah, but let's also keep in mind that the actual effective part of Lattes story was not noticing the psychopaths, it wasn't keeping an eye on them, the effective part was murdering them. How would this work out these days? Shall we form a lynch mob and go after everyone we judge as psychopath? While perhaps noble in intent, in practicality and in terms of actual effectiveness, it would be the worse thing we could do. It would have no real effect except to get our "lynch mob" shot by police forces or end up incarcerated.

Things that actually have a positive effect have far more value than those that have none, or the opposite long term effect than desired. There is nothing actually effectively applicable (in real life) in Lattes story ...

It does "feel good" to some to talk about such things though ... I can see that.

[norman]

. . . . He said back in the good old days when people like this emerged in his tribe's culture it disrupted the families and community just as it does now. But it was recognized and they were never allowed to rise to the top, they were contained if possible to keep the disruption to an absolute minimum. . . . .



That's very much what I think this thread is about here. Keeping an eye on things.

Yeah, but let's also keep in mind that the actual effective part of Lattes story was not noticing the psychopaths, it wasn't keeping an eye on them, the effective part was murdering them. How would this work out these days? Shall we form a lynch mob and go after everyone we judge as psychopath? While perhaps noble in intent, in practicality and in terms of actual effectiveness, it would be the worse thing we could do. It would have no real effect except to get our "lynch mob" shot by police forces or end up incarcerated.

Things that actually have a positive effect have far more value than those that have none, or the opposite long term effect than desired. There is nothing actually effectively applicable (in real life) in Lattes story ...

It does "feel good" to some to talk about such things though ... I can see that.

In our contemporary context, we need not mimic the equilibrium of a low tech society with our internet age problem management. The "effective" part you refer to need not be any more excessive than the normal last resort procedures of our time. A death penalty or not is a wider issue and unlikely to apply.

[Jayke]

Whether you like the man or not, Putin knows how to weed out the sociopaths in his administration...

Strategies I notice in the following vid.

Ignore the BS of the tall tales they spin
Highlight the ineffectiveness of their work
threaten dismissal from their post
hold their feet to the fire
Tell them to raise the standard...if they can't perform in an honest way then they have no right being in that position.

Operant conditioning in action at the governmental level.

But yeah if these strategies fail mr Putin then I'm sure a visit to the gulag or an untimely death might follow.

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[DeDukshyn]

. . . . He said back in the good old days when people like this emerged in his tribe's culture it disrupted the families and community just as it does now. But it was recognized and they were never allowed to rise to the top, they were contained if possible to keep the disruption to an absolute minimum. . . . .



That's very much what I think this thread is about here. Keeping an eye on things.

Yeah, but let's also keep in mind that the actual effective part of Lattes story was not noticing the psychopaths, it wasn't keeping an eye on them, the effective part was murdering them. How would this work out these days? Shall we form a lynch mob and go after everyone we judge as psychopath? While perhaps noble in intent, in practicality and in terms of actual effectiveness, it would be the worse thing we could do. It would have no real effect except to get our "lynch mob" shot by police forces or end up incarcerated.

Things that actually have a positive effect have far more value than those that have none, or the opposite long term effect than desired. There is nothing actually effectively applicable (in real life) in Lattes story ...

It does "feel good" to some to talk about such things though ... I can see that.

In our contemporary context, we need not mimic the equilibrium of a low tech society with our internet age problem management. The "effective" part you refer to need not be any more excessive than the normal last resort procedures of our time. A death penalty or not is a wider issue and unlikely to apply.

My point is, the "solution" presented is not something that can be effective in this current society - we cannot use it to solve the problem. While given method is excessive, its excess was not at all the point of my comment.

But as mentioned, it does "feel good" to imagine that we can murder others we we judge in whatever harsh way ... the line between the psychopath and those "against" psychopathy can quickly erode. While it may have a place in some circumstance, I don't agree that fighting evil with evil is very effective over the long term when evil is what we seek to rid.

[norman]

Actually, I thought the solution was the pre last resort stuff.

At least, that's what I took from it.

[DeDukshyn]

Actually, I thought the solution was the pre last resort stuff.

At least, that's what I took from it.

Got it. But what is that exactly? And does it have effect?

[Franny]

I also mentioned - here - that the Gypsy/Tzigan designed tests to run on kids to detect if they were tribe chief / leader material or to never let them anywhere near a position of power.

Yes, there are now well established tests for all three conditions; not sure how effective they are at this time. They don't seem to effectively keep these groups from causing damage in any case although therapy can help those that want help. And given the groups that control our world, I expect they feel quite comfortable with them and it's all part of the plan.

It's my understanding that psychopaths are born with the condition, the other two are due to their environment as children. I know several people that have one of these three conditions, which took a while to recognize as they are all quite charming and skilled manipulators. One murdered one of my best friends, he's in prison now. It took that to bring it to the forefront of my awareness.

I would not want anyone harmed but would like to see that we all learn to recognize and be aware. And contain such people before they can harm others when possible. Given a slightly more perfect world we would all act towards minimizing this problem rather than waiting for the 'authorities' to deal with it.

[Daozen]

This question is for Daozen:

Have you ever been in a relationship with a narcissist? A lover, or friend, family member?

Yes plenty... As narcissists are about 30% of the population they are everywhere. We all have those traits to a cerain extent. Those that think they don't are the most dangerous. I don't understand why exposing the evils of Corey Goode's narcissism is prioritized above the millions of other narcs out there. There are now dozens of threads on this guy, which I think is overkill. But each to their own.

The good side is that Corey has flushed the UFOlogy field, by causing several people to show their true colors.

[norman]

The very first 2 minute and 12 seconds of the video in the OP make perfect sense to me. I agree completely with what he said in that opening statement. There is no real truth to be found in the cerebral domain. { my own way of saying it }

Then he launches himself off into a whole splurge from his cerebral domain and corrupts the profound simplicity he opened with.

A particulary potent trouble maker.

[findingneo]

I was just wondering WB, what are your thoughts about "Cobra", "Stillness In The Storm" and "Prepare For Change", if you have heard of them. They have rather a large and growing following. Corey Goode has joined forces with them it seems. (Remember, swear words are not adjectives. Oh, no, actually, they can be. Sorry, go ahead W.B.)

[Hervé]

[...]
Yes, there are now well established tests for all three conditions; not sure how effective they are at this time. They don't seem to effectively keep these groups from causing damage in any case although therapy can help those that want help. And given the groups that control our world, I expect they feel quite comfortable with them and it's all part of the plan.
[...]
Indeed!

It seems like those tests - as with any double edged sword - are used to RECRUIT personalities with such traits to be CEO, police officers, judges, mercenaries, hit(wo)men, spies, etc...

[findingneo]

Yes Herve, was married to a narcissist and he made an excellent CEO.

[Flash]

[...]
Yes, there are now well established tests for all three conditions; not sure how effective they are at this time. They don't seem to effectively keep these groups from causing damage in any case although therapy can help those that want help. And given the groups that control our world, I expect they feel quite comfortable with them and it's all part of the plan.
[...]
Indeed!

It seems like those tests - as with any double edged sword - are used to RECRUIT personalities with such traits to be CEO, police officers, judges, mercenaries, hit(wo)men, spies, etc...

Absolutely Hervé, once, a student of mine who was just getting out of jail for murder told me that before being arrested and committing the murder, he had passed tests for the army and he was recruited to become a sniper. Why, because the tests showed that he could go after killing people and have a good night sleep, undisturbed. Then he was tested in jail when arrested and showed up as psychopath. He wanted to tell more but I begged him not to.

[WalterBosley]

I was just wondering WB, what are your thoughts about "Cobra", "Stillness In The Storm" and "Prepare For Change", if you have heard of them. They have rather a large and growing following. Corey Goode has joined forces with them it seems. (Remember, swear words are not adjectives. Oh, no, actually, they can be. Sorry, go ahead W.B.)

Am I the 'WB' you're asking?

If so, here's what I think about it: New Age propaganda. Buzzwords galore. This stuff has been around for years, it gets dressed up a little differently every decade, and a bunch of newbs fall for it. I don't think much of it. Now you'll see people paint me as someone who isn't enlightened or 'doesn't get it' or whose judgment blah blah blah blah...When you're dealing with the same dynamic as religion, you can't win with True Believers.

[findingneo]

Yes, that is you W.B. I am referring to. Thanks for the reply.

I agree with Daozen in pretty much everything he says. I did not stay long in the other Corey thread as it was never ending and a bit like a shark feeding frenzy.
I understand those folk who say this thread highlights folk who are not worth the attention. Agreed.
I appreciate Gemma13 bringing this friend of Corey's to light, as people who vibrate at a particular frequency, tend to spend a lot of time in each others frequency,in close proximity.
And I agree with and appreciate what Walter Bosley does as well.
I do also think that walking away and ignoring it is a mistake.

On the surface, the signs can be obvious for folk like yourself, and those that have had their fingers burned, the folk that have always been skeptics of most things, the folk who know when not to get caught up in energy dramas and go grow veg, and others who have been watching for a good while and thought something was amiss.

So, next question W.B, apart from surface indications, such as behavior, language, themes used, etc, etc, do you ever look at it from a point of view of how the dark side, like Gemma13 is talking about it? She is looking at not just that this friend of CG is having serious mental health issues, but that there is a negative sentient controlling element to it. Do you have a profile for example, for what to look out for, in folk who you suspect are under the control of an unseen entity, or are willingly in support of an unseen entity? Such as a planned scenario, coordinated by unseen forces that include many? Or, do you think that it is just silly folk that suggest that, or, do you just not go there?

Thanks.

[WalterBosley]

I think any time you're dealing with certain things, you're opening yourself up to forces and influences beyond your control -- paranormal and simply human. Basically, whenever someone is telling me to accept statements and claims on faith and trust, I'm suspicious. I do not tell my weird stories because I neither want to get into a debate with someone who hasn't experienced such things nor do I want people to just accept what I say without any kind of evidence. I am also of the mind that our experiences are intended to be personal, so when I see someone using said experiences -- which MIGHT be real -- to capitalize upon, this is a red flag for me. Yes I am saying something that goes against the 'industry' that has grown out of the paranormal community. I do not think people are given experiences so they can capitalize upon them. My experience has been that withdrawing from public discourse about these personal experiences has the benefit of them happening more often. This is why I hold my position -- and I know others feel differently. To each his own. However, I've said elsewhere that no one can ever be your proxy for ANY paranormal/ET/ etc experience. You will never grasp fully via someone else's experience. I know it's a lot of fun to get together with a bunch of like-minded people and hear their stories and get a warm fuzzy, but this serves nothing except some people's need for feeling connected. So when someone comes along and wants to lead a group with their stories and tell you they are a special messenger -- do NOT give them another minute of your time nor a penny of your money. None of us need a messenger.

As far as something otherworldly controlling someone, I am convinced that can and has happened. So, again, reject these Screw Age 'pop stars' who are telling you that they are a go between for an entity or 'extraterrestrial' being. It has NEVER proven true and often ends up in a scam or worse.

I know this is going to be very unpopular here with some folks, but you asked me. And I am not some newb with this stuff.



Yes, that is you W.B. I am referring to. Thanks for the reply.

I agree with Daozen in pretty much everything he says. I did not stay long in the other Corey thread as it was never ending and a bit like a shark feeding frenzy.
I understand those folk who say this thread highlights folk who are not worth the attention. Agreed.
I appreciate Gemma13 bringing this friend of Corey's to light, as people who vibrate at a particular frequency, tend to spend a lot of time in each others frequency,in close proximity.
And I agree with and appreciate what Walter Bosley does as well.
I do also think that walking away and ignoring it is a mistake.

On the surface, the signs can be obvious for folk like yourself, and those that have had their fingers burned, the folk that have always been skeptics of most things, the folk who know when not to get caught up in energy dramas and go grow veg, and others who have been watching for a good while and thought something was amiss.

So, next question W.B, apart from surface indications, such as behavior, language, themes used, etc, etc, do you ever look at it from a point of view of how the dark side, like Gemma13 is talking about it? She is looking at not just that this friend of CG is having serious mental health issues, but that there is a negative sentient controlling element to it. Do you have a profile for example, for what to look out for, in folk who you suspect are under the control of an unseen entity, or are willingly in support of an unseen entity? Such as a planned scenario, coordinated by unseen forces that include many? Or, do you think that it is just silly folk that suggest that, or, do you just not go there?

Thanks.

[findingneo]

Thanks for the comprehensive response W. B. Much appreciated. I was kind of meaning something else, but I agree with what you say, and already think that. I think you are assuming I am a fan of said person so you have comprehended it accordingly. Not so. But thanks for your time. The fact that you have not recognized the question I am asking, tells me that, no, you have not considered it in the context I was talking about. That answers my question anyway. Thanks.

[Foxie Loxie]

Enjoyed your answer, Walter! How true that one can not really comprehend another's experiences. I look at the entire thing as the newest "religion" to be accepted by "faith"! Where have we heard that before? :bigsmile:

[findingneo]

Yes, great reply Foxie Loxie from WB, it just wasn't what I was asking.

Felt like Luke there for a bit in the scene "We're not the droids you're looking for".

[WalterBosley]

When I first read your reply to my answer, my impression is that it's a tad insulting or condescending at the least. Was that your intention?

Because I answered your question sufficiently. :bigsmile:


Thanks for the comprehensive response W. B. Much appreciated. I was kind of meaning something else, but I agree with what you say, and already think that. I think you are assuming I am a fan of said person so you have comprehended it accordingly. Not so. But thanks for your time. The fact that you have not recognized the question I am asking, tells me that, no, you have not considered it in the context I was talking about. That answers my question anyway. Thanks.

[findingneo]

I apologize Walter, if you are feeling insulted by what I have said. That was not the intention. I was a little insulted too when I first read your response to my question, that may have shown in my response. You had assumed I was a gullible person and would become a "True Believers" groupie if I had not already. At least that is the way it sounded. You have a "True Believers' bucket, and those who disagree with you, gets chucked in there it seems. I ask lots of questions, from all sides, and along with my own experiences, make up as clear a picture as I can, subject to more information, subject to change. I certainly would like certain things to be true (not his story), but even then, I keep asking questions and I have a nagging feeling when I think it is not. I don't lock myself into a way of thinking.

I think perhaps I was asking an uncommon question, that may have appeared to most, to be from, or would potentially end up in, "The True Believers" bucket. Like the Vegas shootings, I was not talking about the one shooter here, I am asking how you would see the bigger picture. But I am sorry I asked. Seems like we are getting our wires crossed. It does not matter anyway. We can leave it at that. Just know I am sorry for insulting you. Thanks Walter.

[Foxie Loxie]

Crossed wires, that's all! :waving: findingneo....you sound like me when I first came upon the Camelot Videos a few years back! Because of my health I HAD the hours to sit & take it all in! It was marvelous trying to learn things as Bill & Kerry were on their own Journey of Discovery. I think listening to all their early years videos gave me a good basis to work from & helped me build up some "discernment" as well. We each are at a different point in our own personal journey & it is exciting to be able to exchange ideas with some pretty intelligent people here on Avalon; one of whom is YOU!! :bigsmile:

[WalterBosley]

Neo: Actually, I wasn't linking you to the True Believers whom I was referring to. I was speaking in general terms. And I think I've said in my videos and books and elsewhere that I am convinced of strange phenomena etc etc. When people use the term 'True Believer', it means the people who have given their blind faith to a person or a particular thing. Blind faith. Not believing/thinking something's real or an individual is legit based on experience or serious consideration. That's a different thing. True Believerism is what, for example, the CG/DW hardcore followers do in spite of reasons not to. I don't think of you as one of those.

And, no, I don't cast people into a bucket simply because they disagree with me. BS is BS and I call that out. I know lots of people who disagree with me but their reasons are not BS. For example: I think there are human beings exactly like us who have originated and developed on other planets. My associates and others who disagree with me don't get labeled and tossed into a bucket for disagreeing and citing the argument that unless a human is born here, my position isn't possibly true. We simply disagree. And we're probably more thick-skinned, yes. I think you may be drawing the wrong conclusion based upon my straight-talk manner of expression where some stuff is concerned. :bigsmile:

[findingneo]

Ok, thanks Walter. Understood.

You mention above Walter that,

"I think there are human beings exactly like us who have originated and developed on other planets."

I would be very interested if you can say a little about that here. I have wondered that too. Thought it was probable. The human form seems to be a vehicle that is endemic to the 3D reality (perhaps due to it largely developing via evolution in the 3D) as compared to other more manufactured vehicles. Do you think that humans actually evolved from scratch on earth or do you think humans scattered across the universe due to a Reptilian invasion a long time ago of what might be called Home Planets? Eventually reuniting to form, The Galactic Federation? I also wonder if there are not humans that are not endemic to here wandering about, but hiding from the average earth human that fact for some reason?

What do you think Walter? What happened to make you think it possible in the first place?

Thanks,
FN.

[findingneo]

Thanks Walter, I will check in for your great conversations, even when I am not here. Your responses are appreciated. Love reading everyones comments too.

[WalterBosley]

Well, first, I do not believe we are the product of a 'spontaneous' evolution as taught in schools. We are a created, engineered species. BUT even if one cannot embrace that, I see no reason why the human species as we are still can't be the naturally designated interface form, within evolutionary dogma. We could go on and on endlessly with questions on this idea, of course.

I've long suspected that there was a human invasion here. That led me to conclude, upon further rumination and study, that there are some human races who are of this planet and others which came from another planet. Please note that nowhere in this did I even imply any superiority on anyone's part (except perhaps technologically at a given time). In fact, I'm convinced this is a dirty little secret known in some circles and organizations, that some of us are descendants of humans who came here from elsewhere. Not an idea I started, simply one I suspect is true. I don't fall into the childish hoo-ha about morality of a species measured by its advanced technology, an idea which is a LOAD OF CRAP started by the Screw Agers desperate to sell their 'space angel' dogma. (God, how I despise that utter foolishness). I think these other humans/ETs whatever are a moral grab-bag just like we are, whether they're capable of intergalactic travel or not and I'd love to see the end of this 'They mastered space travel therefore they love peace' nonsense. Because that kind of thinking makes it easier for a not-so-lovey dovey alien civilization to invade and conquer. But I digress.

Yes, it makes perfect sense that there are off-planet humans moving among us. If they're exactly like us, it's easy. They might even be attempting to get closer to descendants of their own civilization who came here long ago. (Now watch this become the next claim by some Screw Age jackoff looking for attention on Gaia and C2C...) There are some who think that the real purpose of the human genome project is to find and identify those among us with the blood/genetics of the off-worlders.

I'm presently pretty convinced of all this, so I don't debate it. It's more important to push humanity here farther and farther into the stars. Nesting is not everyone's nature and certainly not in humankind's best interests.

[Gemma13]

Thanks to responsible Social Media Watchdog Journalism more significant revealing evidence of Bentinho Massaro’s dangerous identification as a saviour for humanity with “Cult 101” practices has come to light.

Please see this thread : http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100822-Bentinho-Massaro-NEW-AGE-CULT-LEADER&p=1194168&viewfull=1#post1194168

This Post highlights Bentinho’s exit from Sedona as his outing became too hot for him to handle; especially when authorities begin investigating. There’s only one way out then – RUN into exile.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100822-Bentinho-Massaro-NEW-AGE-CULT-LEADER&p=1197465&viewfull=1#post1197465

Bentinho has international connections, (especially Amsterdam, Netherlands where he does retreats and his family live; Bentinho’s father - http://www.dreamschool.life/arturo-massaro/), so it will be important to keep watch for his resurfacing elsewhere as well as his internet promotions.


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[WalterBosley]

What amuses me in the photo below is how Goode looks like the dork in the group, the chubby kid on the block finally feeling like he gets to hang with the cool kid and still not quite confident enough. Notice too how the women are clearly more attached to Bentinho, energized by him not CG. One gets the feeling that he's the cuck sent to fetch drinks while Benny Boy entertains the ladies. Of course, I wasn't there so I may be entirely mistaken, not having the benefit of the actual personal dynamics. I'm just pointing out what I see in the photo. And it amuses me.
Thanks to responsible Social Media Watchdog Journalism more significant revealing evidence of Bentinho Massaro’s dangerous identification as a saviour for humanity with “Cult 101” practices has come to light.

Please see this thread : http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100822-Bentinho-Massaro-NEW-AGE-CULT-LEADER&p=1194168&viewfull=1#post1194168

This Post highlights Bentinho’s exit from Sedona as his outing became too hot for him to handle; especially when authorities begin investigating. There’s only one way out then – RUN into exile.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100822-Bentinho-Massaro-NEW-AGE-CULT-LEADER&p=1197465&viewfull=1#post1197465

Bentinho has international connections, (especially Amsterdam, Netherlands where he does retreats and his family live; Bentinho’s father - http://www.dreamschool.life/arturo-massaro/), so it will be important to keep watch for his resurfacing elsewhere as well as his internet promotions.


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[WalterBosley]

Actually, I found a guy who Bentinho reminds me of...

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/55/7d/ef/557defdbd987e01036e00e2fc6b353ea--hans-landa-inglorious-basterds.jpg

[Mike]

Actually, I found a guy who Bentinho reminds me of...

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/55/7d/ef/557defdbd987e01036e00e2fc6b353ea--hans-landa-inglorious-basterds.jpg



That's frickin hysterical!:bigsmile:

I think he's a combination of that nazi general, Jim Carey's cable guy, and Christian Bale in 'American Psycho'. All *fictional* characters, oddly enough...

I think Corey's weight fluctuations are sort of relevant actually. He started chubby, then oddly thin, now getting chubby again. Suggests a fluctuating inner emotional world to me.

[Wind]

You forgot Matt Damon.

[Mike]

You forgot Matt Damon.

I forgot Matt Damon;)