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How can two people with the same values, goals and desires, see things so differently?
It's impossible!
I asked a friend, are you Patriotic? Do you want to preserve the constitution?
Are you for US Sovereignty, our bill of rights and the rule of law? Do you want our Country protected? do you want free speech?? The right to bear arms and the full list.
Do you want the end of war? The end of hi costs and inflation?
And they say yes to all.
And then they think Biden is doing a good job.
Can someone please explain this to me? What am I missing??
Who's fault is this total disconnection? is it Alien, Cosmic,
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Re: How can two people with the same values, goals and desires, see things so differently?
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thepainterdoug
It's impossible!
I asked a friend, are you Patriotic? Do you want to preserve the constitution?
Are you for US Sovereignty, our bill of rights and the rule of law? Do you want our Country protected? do you want free speech?? The right to bear arms and the full list.
Do you want the end of war? The end of hi costs and inflation?
And they say yes to all.
And then they think Biden is doing a good job.
Can someone please explain this to me? What am I missing??
Who's fault is this total disconnection? is it Alien, Cosmic,
I don’t think you’re missing much of anything. If you were you’d be like the people of which you speak—clueless— and not be asking the question you pose, or any important questions for that matter.
Your question puts me in mind of the parable of the blind men and an elephant.
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Re: How can two people with the same values, goals and desires, see things so differently?
Yes Doug.
You, and most of us on PA, may be called “plasma” beings (to use Robert Temple’s description as well as metaphor), in whom everything is connected with everything and this interconnection is cherished and promoted – because they are “living” entities. The “disconnected ones” see themselves as, and are, broken machines (really – since the mRNA end AI poisoning – and metaphorically) who can very well keep “functioning” with broken parts, all types of “redundancies” being inbuilt.
The machines may be able to terminate the live beings, but after death the live beings live on; after their last attempt at functioning, the robots go to the scrapheap to be cannibalised or flattened.
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Re: How can two people with the same values, goals and desires, see things so differently?
Maybe people act as if the fully comprehend what you say ... but never bothered to do research on any of those topics thinking it is over their heads ... some ppl play nice ... talk friendly ... but have no clue what it really means!
Really sad. :pout:
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Re: How can two people with the same values, goals and desires, see things so differently?
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thepainterdoug
It's impossible!
I asked a friend, are you Patriotic? Do you want to preserve the constitution?
Are you for US Sovereignty, our bill of rights and the rule of law? Do you want our Country protected? do you want free speech?? The right to bear arms and the full list.
Do you want the end of war? The end of hi costs and inflation?
And they say yes to all.
And then they think Biden is doing a good job.
Can someone please explain this to me? What am I missing??
Who's fault is this total disconnection? is it Alien, Cosmic,
It is incredible, isn't it? Truly confounding.
We each ( and all ) have and ARE such a unique set of collective experience.
I find it to be not so much a matter of who is potentially more in the know than another, than it is the kaleidoscope of our collected experience, and of course the manner in which we focus our attention through this. Our "attention" is far more interesting a thing that most do ever choose to explore. The patterns it holds, patterns that filter out and focus in on precisely what we choose. In order to have the precise experience we are here for, the exact learning program and decision space we are here for. In everyone's case, it is absolutely correct. It holds zero error. It is what it is. To understand this in a general sense is good and indeed helpful, yet the attempt to understand it in terms of the detail it contains is really for only the most advanced of us. It is not just anyone who is ready to let go of their own self, set down their own patterns ( /perspective ) to quite literally step into that of another. And there are fewer yet who are capable of consciously shifting from this, back into oneself, with the data and differentials ( ie: pure understanding ) still intact. So until then, what I myself have found helpful, is to put everyone on a level playing field. See everyone, genuinely, as equivalents. I am valid, you are valid, we all are valid. See everyone in motion rather than static and the whole of what we are collectively comes into view. No one of us can do it all ourself. It takes us all. What others are doing so that we ourselves do not have to ( overburden our own discrete self with ) can fill me with the deepest sense of compassion and gratitude. It has on more than one occasion brought me to tears. And even onto my knees. So awesome is what the collective is doing. How many among us will bring ourselves to this, though? Who among us is ready?
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John, my son has told me this many times saying, Dad, they have no idea what you are talking about !
Michael/ and whats amazing is, they are educated, as in degrees. law degrees and so on. yet they are stupid
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Re: How can two people with the same values, goals and desires, see things so differently?
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thepainterdoug
It's impossible!
I asked a friend, are you Patriotic? Do you want to preserve the constitution?
Are you for US Sovereignty, our bill of rights and the rule of law? Do you want our Country protected? do you want free speech?? The right to bear arms and the full list.
Do you want the end of war? The end of hi costs and inflation?
And they say yes to all.
And then they think Biden is doing a good job.
Can someone please explain this to me? What am I missing??
Who's fault is this total disconnection? is it Alien, Cosmic,
Very good questions. I continually find myself puzzled by the same.
At the end of the day, though, the only thing that makes sense to me, is by understanding those of whom you speak as persons afflicted (literally) with a certain kind of cognitive dissonance, or programing--which sometimes impairs one's understanding of reality itself--either instilled or assumed by contagion or by something other--something some of us may be immune to?--that literally disconnects persons from higher reason and critical thought. I would add it is no accident the depiction of zombies are so prevalent in popular culture. This thread on the forum also comes to mind. But I do find the phenomenon has very little to do with intelligence, as I see this condition among all walks and types, from the walking clueless to those I would consider more intelligent than myself.
Ahh, yes. These questions of yours indeed elicit the old Chinese curse. May we all live in interesting times...
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Casey this is so well said. Thank you !!!
There are two, Dougs. The one present to the spirit eternal, and the earth realm Doug.
Earth realm Doug is a warrior! I see these people and their ignorant compliance as ruining it for all future generations . Throwing it all away, all that people fought for, were torn apart and died for.
And spirit Doug, present to all as you said. knows its all as it should be.
Yet if it comes to a civil war, I will know the side I am on.
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1. The media is supposed to deliver the facts to the people so they can formulate their own opinions and beliefs. Instead, we have the media delivering their opinions to us as if they were facts. The system has been turned upside down.
2. Government is supposed to be completely transparent, after all, they are "government servants". Instead, the government dictates to us what to drive, what type of light bulbs to use, what medicine to take, what bathrooms to use, etc. The system has been turned upside down. The government is the least transparent organization on the planet.
3. The media and politicians have been so successful in dividing us by political party (with lots of sub-categories) that people simply mimic their party line without using thought or common sense.
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Re: How can two people with the same values, goals and desires, see things so differently?
Maybe the media twisted his perspective?
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Re: How can two people with the same values, goals and desires, see things so differently?
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Casey Claar
Isn't it incredible, isn't it? Truly confounding.
We each ( and all ) have and ARE such a unique set of collective experience.
I find it to be not so much a matter of who is potentially more in the know than another, than it is the kaleidoscope of our collected experience, and of course the manner in which we focus our attention through this. Our "attention" is far more interesting a thing that most do ever choose to explore. The patterns it holds, patterns that filter out and focus in on precisely what we choose. In order to have the precise experience we are here for, the exact learning program and decision space we are here for. In everyone's case, it is absolutely correct. It holds zero error. It is what it is. To understand this in a general sense is good and indeed helpful, yet the attempt to understand it in terms of the detail it contains is really for only the most advanced of us. It is not just anyone who is ready to let go of their own self, set down their own patterns ( /perspective ) to quite literally step into that of another. And there are fewer yet who are capable of consciously shifting from this, back into oneself, with the data and differentials ( ie: pure understanding ) still intact. So until then, what I myself have found helpful, is to put everyone on a level playing field. See everyone, genuinely, as equivalents. I am valid, you are valid, we all are valid. See everyone in motion rather than static and the whole of what we are collectively comes into view. No one of us can do it all ourself. It takes us all. What others are doing so that we ourselves do not have to ( overburden our own discrete self with ) can fill me with the deepest sense of compassion and gratitude. It has on more than one occasion brought me to tears. And even onto my knees. So awesome is what the collective is doing. How many among us will bring ourselves to this, though? Who among us is ready?
If you ever start a blog, or podcast, Casey, please PM me--I'll be your first subscriber! Beautiful post. I feel better already! :)
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Casey Claar
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thepainterdoug
It's impossible!
I asked a friend, are you Patriotic? Do you want to preserve the constitution?
Are you for US Sovereignty, our bill of rights and the rule of law? Do you want our Country protected? do you want free speech?? The right to bear arms and the full list.
Do you want the end of war? The end of hi costs and inflation?
And they say yes to all.
And then they think Biden is doing a good job.
Can someone please explain this to me? What am I missing??
Who's fault is this total disconnection? is it Alien, Cosmic,
It is incredible, isn't it? Truly confounding.
We each ( and all ) have and ARE such a unique set of collective experience.
I find it to be not so much a matter of who is potentially more in the know than another, than it is the kaleidoscope of our collected experience, and of course the manner in which we focus our attention through this. Our "attention" is far more interesting a thing that most do ever choose to explore. The patterns it holds, patterns that filter out and focus in on precisely what we choose. In order to have the precise experience we are here for, the exact learning program and decision space we are here for. In everyone's case, it is
absolutely correct. It holds zero error. It is what it is. To understand this in a general sense is good and indeed helpful, yet the attempt to understand it in terms of the
detail it contains is really for only the most advanced of us. It is not just anyone who is ready to let go of their own self, set down their own patterns ( /perspective ) to quite literally step into that of another. And there are fewer yet who are capable of consciously shifting from this, back into oneself, with the data and differentials ( ie: pure understanding ) still intact. So until then, what I myself have found helpful, is to put everyone on a level playing field. See everyone, genuinely, as equivalents. I am valid, you are valid, we all are valid. See everyone in motion rather than static and the whole of what we are collectively comes into view. No one of us can do it all ourself. It takes us all. What others are doing so that we ourselves do not have to ( overburden our own discrete self with ) can fill me with the deepest sense of compassion and gratitude. It has on more than one occasion brought me to tears. And even onto my knees. So awesome is what the collective is doing. How many among us will bring ourselves to this, though? Who among us is ready?
Very few are ready now. Until there is a sea change in our thinking and an alignment of our consciousness not much will change. When the time is appropriate it probably will change for the better and very quickly. After all the strength of humanity is in our collective consciousness.
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T Smith
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Casey Claar
It is incredible, isn't it? Truly confounding.
We each ( and all ) have and ARE such a unique set of collective experience.
I find it to be not so much a matter of who is potentially more in the know than another, than it is the kaleidoscope of our collected experience, and of course the manner in which we focus our attention through this. Our "attention" is far more interesting a thing that most do ever choose to explore. The patterns it holds, patterns that filter out and focus in on precisely what we choose. In order to have the precise experience we are here for, the exact learning program and decision space we are here for. In everyone's case, it is absolutely correct. It holds zero error. It is what it is. To understand this in a general sense is good and indeed helpful, yet the attempt to understand it in terms of the detail it contains is really for only the most advanced of us. It is not just anyone who is ready to let go of their own self, set down their own patterns ( /perspective ) to quite literally step into that of another. And there are fewer yet who are capable of consciously shifting from this, back into oneself, with the data and differentials ( ie: pure understanding ) still intact. So until then, what I myself have found helpful, is to put everyone on a level playing field. See everyone, genuinely, as equivalents. I am valid, you are valid, we all are valid. See everyone in motion rather than static and the whole of what we are collectively comes into view. No one of us can do it all ourself. It takes us all. What others are doing so that we ourselves do not have to ( overburden our own discrete self with ) can fill me with the deepest sense of compassion and gratitude. It has on more than one occasion brought me to tears. And even onto my knees. So awesome is what the collective is doing. How many among us will bring ourselves to this, though? Who among us is ready?
If you ever start a blog, or podcast, Casey, please PM me--I'll be your first subscriber! Beautiful post. I feel better already! :)
It does me good to hear it, T Smith.
I have a whole platform [ website, forum board, youtube, etc.. ]. Come by anytime.
The welcome mat is always out.
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thepainterdoug
Casey this is so well said. Thank you !!!
There are two, Dougs. The one present to the spirit eternal, and the earth realm Doug.
Earth realm Doug is a warrior! I see these people and their ignorant compliance as ruining it for all future generations . Throwing it all away, all that people fought for, were torn apart and died for.
And spirit Doug, present to all as you said. knows its all as it should be.
Yet if it comes to a civil war, I will know the side I am on.
Doug, you are welcome, thank you for receiving so well what was said, and I will only add to your highly pertinent post that by merging these — two halves of the whole — all "war" is ended. It is the continual holding of these apart which creates the seeming rift in the middle. There is only one real way to mend it. Allow them to merge ( the "war" is within, it is created by distortions in our own thought and energy patterns; the world only mirrors this ). When the Greater and ground-level selves merge into a singular being, not only do the distortions mend but this in itself is what brings peace to our planet. It is an inside job. Once it is accomplished within ourself, the work is in reaching out, lending a hand, helping others to see it. At first the light will shine on the differentials in the views, as they are here now. There will be torque, a sort of resistance, if you will. In most cases attention will want to address the world, what seems outside of that other. It is important to not ( forget and begin again to ) rail against this, to not be lured back in(to the illusion ). Our distortions of the truth are what lay the groundwork for false matrices. All are one. If we begin here and resist the temptation to forget, to stray into sides where-in a battle now forms against an other, we will not go as astray as what is possible. You know this. I know you know this. We all know this. When we let ourselves remember we can ACT from this knowing. <— this alone, and in itself will correct humanity's course.
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And they say yes to all.
And then they think Biden is doing a good job.
What you have there Doug seems almost to be the perfect non sequiter. But it's even more interesting than that...
It suggests, initially, that they have succeeded - in fact triumphed - in gaslighting the population. I mean totally reprogramming its perceptions.
After all we see it every day in the shape of Mass Formation sweeping society. We see it in the subtle creep of actual fascism delving deep into every crack and crevice of our lives - in wrong-think, pronouns, wokeness, victimhood, outrage culture, the question 'what is a woman?' and many more examples...and all of it achieving mainstream acceptance...all in the name (guise) of 'liberalism'.
Another case in point - "bend over and take our vaccines - 'cos trust the science (or something), not your intuition."
Yet the logical fallacy resolves itself - somewhat - by the original answers you received. Patriotism, sovereignty, a want for the common good...
So take heart. They're still there. They still exist under the surface. And that proves that despite the gaslighting and the propaganda, basic human morality is (mostly) intact; that despite their best efforts to divide and conquer our hearts we continue to be far more alike in aspect and outlook than different.
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Re: How can two people with the same values, goals and desires, see things so differently?
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thepainterdoug
It's impossible!
I asked a friend, are you Patriotic? Do you want to preserve the constitution?
Are you for US Sovereignty, our bill of rights and the rule of law? Do you want our Country protected? do you want free speech?? The right to bear arms and the full list.
Do you want the end of war? The end of hi costs and inflation?
And they say yes to all.
And then they think Biden is doing a good job.
Can someone please explain this to me? What am I missing??
Who's fault is this total disconnection? is it Alien, Cosmic,
I think it's set up that way, as a form of the duality that characterises this place.
It's entirely possible, depending on your worldview, for two people to take the same inputs and come up with opposing conclusions. A duality play. I think this sets it out nicely, worth the 8minutes time investment.
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I thought this meme from the meme thread was one answer to the question in the opening post. But it's only one answer out of trillions of angles of perspective on this.
Plato's Cave 21st century edition:
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State
State of Consciousness Realization of unity with Divinity Unification awareness, Ecstasy
Unitive State Discernment of Forms Higher Intelligence
Philosophical Meditation
Spiritual awareness Critical thinking Reasoning fully
Self-awareness Critical consciousness Informing oneself fully
Social awareness Self-control Improving oneself fully
Limited spiritual awareness (religion) Technical thinking Limited reasoning
Limited self-awareness Conservative morality Limited information
Limited social awareness Limited self-control Technological competence
Primary possession by extrinsic Egomania Inability to think for oneself
personalities and ideologies Mindless pursuit of pleasure Illiteracy (unable to read
Celebration of ignorance and unable to understand)
Total possession by extrinsic Hysterical blindness Inability to see or hear
personalities and ideologies Hysterical deafness what's happening in the world
Suicidal behavior Supporting people who are
destroying you
Note:
I copy this sheet 18 years ago! when I wasn't in no forum what so ever... I don't copy links because in that time I dint knew anybody I could share...I just copy all and translate in 2 other languages in case...
I just do it 1 time and I was Looked as an Alien from outer space/dimension...lesson learned! :facepalm:
colors: from red to yellow as symbol ascend/descend conscience...
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Re: How can two people with the same values, goals and desires, see things so differently?
I think the vast majority of people don't fully understand why they believe what they believe. Most people simply adopt a belief for some reason unknown to them (usually because it is easy and feeds their ego) and declare it as so. They then merge it with their other beliefs and build their world view without ever understanding the interplay between the beliefs, what their impact is, the principles that are the basis for each belief, and the responsibilities they have implicitly adopted with that set of beliefs.
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Re: How can two people with the same values, goals and desires, see things so differently?
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thepainterdoug
It's impossible!
I asked a friend, are you Patriotic? Do you want to preserve the constitution?
Are you for US Sovereignty, our bill of rights and the rule of law? Do you want our Country protected? do you want free speech?? The right to bear arms and the full list.
Do you want the end of war? The end of hi costs and inflation?
And they say yes to all.
And then they think Biden is doing a good job.
Can someone please explain this to me? What am I missing??
Who's fault is this total disconnection? is it Alien, Cosmic,
Some people can't think about individual issues, they just vote for their "team." I know someone who has no differing opinons from their team, and never will. I think the Democrat party is an "egregore," that is to say, group entity that can take over people tthat allow it. Individual thinking not allowed. All you'll get from one of these people is them channeling the egregore. They may go ballistic if you challenge the egregore, becuase the egregore does not tolerate individuality.
