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Calamus.. have very much appreciated this detailed overview of Haleys' journey and preparedness to be open about her changes of perspective. It seems to marry with other now familiar, understandings that are emergent....
keep it coming.. very :cool:
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Its certainly possible that some subjective -- and apparently very real! -- abduction experiences are something entirely different, and far more alarming.
But not all of them. Of that, I'm personally certain.
It would be good if those 'mock experiences' could actually stop ...but I doubt that's the case since human beings are 'susceptible' .
And searching for culprit in some sort of highly organised n sophisticated military operation is not going to provide all answers either . If that was for proximity of advanced human technologies vs vulnerable psyche ,
there would be not two , three or ten but thousands of human beings suffering such 'ET contact or abduction experiences' , en mass, in the military , in various Space agencies and scientific establishments , the people who don't go reporting themselves anywhere .. and if you question them closely .. they actually don't have any such 'experiences' at all .. have been in many cases , repeatedly irradiated ,
exposed to all sorts of EM waves , technical and biological experiments .. by thousands and millions, and no, they do not report 'ET Encounters' .
Even among 'ufologists' and other 'hobbyists' , that is people who are actually actively interested , and researching the subject, and reading peoples stories , watching movies and documentaries about 'purported aliens' , very few if any happen to have a dream or two that would remind them of 'contact scenario' and even then , they're well aware it's a dream . Imagination. Nothing that you could not create in your mind .
Humans are susceptible to all sorts of influencing, social , psychological, technical, non-technical, all of it . On subliminal level , we share dreams and experiences that we would not be able to share on level of conscious awareness .
It's often the best indicator that 'something' has actually happened . The same way mothers or other family members and close friends dream or 'intuit' events of each others lives,
not questioning how many of you are familiar with this but I consider this is almost a norm among sensitive and empathetic individuals .. and it can be scientifically explained ( though probably not always 'proven' ) ,
the same way you may happen to have nightmare when your spouse or friend had accident or falls seriously ill, or the way you may fall ill .. at the same time,
there had been many instances of peoples 'mock ET Encounter' when the real , actual ET Encounter happened ... either in their proximity .. or even 100s miles away ..
The question remains , why only certain number of people are able to perceive, dream or intuit such events,
while most others surrounding them are the same susceptible .. to various sorts of influences, social programming, education programming, sex and fashion and what else you have in your lives ,
and beyond that...
it's fortunately not the 'whole story' about ET Encounters .
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I have always felt (known?) that a very human presence is involved with these cases also and I agree with her. I live in Oklahoma and have many friends that work in the oil fields here, as well as cattle and rodeo people. I've been on ranches where cattle and horses have been abducted and then deposited back as if dropped from the sky. My wife and I have examined the oral cavities of these beasts on two occasions and in both cases gear were found near the places the cattle was taken and dropped. In one case we found binocular covers. Newer that had obviously been dropped. In another we found a lens filter for night viewing and in yet another case someone dropped a multi tool and all I can say is aliens do not drop these very human owned things out where black helicopters are seen and cattle are being taken and experimented on. Psy-Ops is real. We know it. We have examples of the CIA and others experimenting on staff in their own buildings just to watch the effect and infection rate of various things from the water cooler. What more do you need really to know this is human elite messing with your minds and they got you because of this.
It was reported to me by a general who I can't name because I don't have permission but this general worked in the dental corp in one of the services. He said he knew that the abductions were largely us because most of the people chosen actually have someone in their lives that reported UFO activities to Project Blue Book years ago. That is when they began selecting certain of the ones coming forward and this carried over to their children and their children's children and so on. Plausible deniability and forward movement in Nazi human experimenting were said to be why according to him and that was all he knew.
Certain? It is hard for me to be certain about such things. We are not even certain how advanced the technology is in human hands, other than knowing or very much suspecting that it is very advanced.
Here is an observation: What has happened "recently" to claims of "alien abduction"? I believe there are many fewer "abductions" than, say, the 1970s for example. To some extent have "alien abductions" morphed into the "targeted individual" phenomenon? Perhaps a case could be made.
Another point. Why are so many of these encounters with aliens so "primitive." I mean anal probes for such a presumably advanced civilization? They don't have scanners? They couldn't "observe" a human from a distance? It is almost a joke. Ok. So are those anal probings and so on just "screen memories" then. Fine, but that could just as well be "military" right? Well, what is more likely, screen memories by "aliens" or screen memories created by humans. This is one instance I think were Occam's razor might be useful.
On the other hand, am I certain there are no alien abductions? No. Look at the area of "demonic possession" for example. These days something like "technological possession" has been reported and described by some people - more or less equivalent to what would have been called "demonic possession" in past centuries.
Perhaps then it is that technology in human hands has advanced to the point where humans can do what "aliens" or "demons" have been doing all along (in other words, "demonic possession" was itself just the implementation of a technology).
So perhaps "alien abductions" perpetrated by humans are a result of the acquisition or development of technology previously only in the hands of "others," in which case the true operator might be difficult to ascertain, particularly if the technology can project different "forms" into consciousness, erase and implant memories and so on.
The technology might be able to totally obscure who is using it. Whoever has the technology can do "alien abductions." In fact, even if an alien life form is doing the abducting, the alien you see (or remember) might not be the "true form" of the alien, (if it even has a "true form").
Is that alien hanging off the end of your bed "real" or is it perhaps a projection into your consciousness. More to the point, is the "operator" human or alien?
Can absolutely "real" experiences be created by infiltrating and manipulating consciousness. I suspect so. What really were angels, demons, fairies, sprites, werewolves and so on? Did they reflect the true forms of the "operators"? And why don't we see fairies and so on too much anymore?
Anyway, interesting topic. I hope I have made some sense.
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oops, my reply was meant to be a response to Bill Ryan's post. Sorry about that!
There seems to be a fusion of 'all from everything' when it comes to 'Abductions - are they real or are they solely done by the government?', a subject that will rise a lot more to the surface in the next few months and it is all mixed purposfully for the sake of confusion, to the delight of those who adopt 'concealment' as their last name. Alien abductions are real in some cases, and millitary abductions disguised as ET's under psy ops with screen memories are real in other cases, and then there are the shared operations. In any situation we may face in the future, balance need always to lead the way. Another thing to consider will be, that thoughts and emotions can be manipulated but frequency and vibration of an individual or a situation can not. Energy signature is a unique cosmic wonder in it's truthfulness, more than any single finger print and that is if we are perceptive enough to detect this phenomenon.
Some researchers like Haley, Boylan, and Dr. Helmet Lammer May relate all abductions to millitary, others who are no less serious researchers and dedicated investigators conclude that despite the 'smoke and mirror' scenarios pulled by the government, ET abuductions are real, thus the interest of the government..
From Eve Lorgen -
From James Bartley -Quote:
" I find it important to discuss a few important issues about the milab experience itself. My understanding of a milab is a genuine alien abductee who also remembers interactions with a military human element and/or a shadow government faction in or out of their alien encounters. The military presence may appear to be in collusion with aliens, and may also appear to be opposed to the alien agenda, for example when the abductee recalls being interrogated by the military about what transpired, in search of “alien technology” regarding their alien encounters. "
Blessings ~Quote:
"The term "Milab" was first coined by Austrian researcher Dr. Helmet Lammer. Unfortunately Dr. Lammer seems to think that every eyewitness report of an alien by a milab is the result of government mind control. This is very much like putting the ox before the cart. What came first? Aliens or government mind control ops? I doubt if Dr. Lammer has spent any amount of time researching alien abductions. His pre-conceived bias against the reality of alien abductions precludes any possibility of objective research into the subject. There are some "researchers" who insist that all eyewitness reports of aliens are the result of government mind control and then there are the debunkers from the False Memory Syndrome who insist that there is no such thing as mind control, despite the voluminous documentation obtained from the government. To cover all their bases, government mind controllers have shown fake aliens to Project Monarch type mind control survivors and the latter have dutifully reported these bogus encounters in books they have written.
In all likelihood milabs have some kind of genetic marker that identifies them as legitimate alien abductees. This notion is buttressed by the fact that alien abductees who have served in the armed forces have described mind control, medical experimentation and other coercive measures perpetrated upon them during their stints in the military. They have also described being utilized in covert operations while in a mind controlled state. Some of them have been shown advanced technology and have witnessed non-human life forms in underground and above ground installations"
Limor
"Another thing to consider will be, that thoughts and emotions can be manipulated but frequency and vibration of an individual or a situation can not."
Limor, I wish this was true. But even certain drugs can alter people seemingly at their core. If you mean something like their soul cannot be destroyed (the concept of a "soul" is hard to make sense of by the way), maybe you are right. But certainly lives can be ruined, personalities can be irrevocably altered, and so on.
Aliens or psy-ops, it's still insidious in my book, I really do believe I am an experiencer of both.
I just talked about Leah Haley today with someone who knew her. They have not spoken to her since the early 2000's. I find it odd she did an about face and decided what happened to her was the result of mind control experiments abductions not ET related. She could be right, who knows. But she did spend an awful lot of discretionary time (years) explaining her ET related experiences in a far different manner. She is truly a fascinating individual just like Marc Davenport was (RIP) and also one of my personal favorites Dr. Karla Turner. Here is an interesting article on L. Haley BTW: https://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/0...l_KMGPB5cI3HP4