In our world, it is and only is always now.
3D space and 1D time.
In the "other" balancing world, it is and only is ever here.
1D space and 3D time.
We do not have a sub forum dedicated to the "meeting place" (between these two worlds) so I had to post this excellent "backyard talk" in General Discussion.
Katya Walter
http://vimeo.com/17769179
blasted hour long videos! This looks interesting, I think I'll try to watch this tonight.
Thank you justone.............................this is totally awesome information and leaves me without words to explain my resonance.
I'm 11 minutes in, and as inquirer myself into chaos theory and some advanced physics, this is brilliant! As it is laid out in understandable terms. Very much liking this so far. I expect the same of the rest.
THis reminds me of Nassim Haramein and his unified theory of everything. He connects it to sacred geometry. It also reminds me of Peter Moon and how he follows synchronicity.
Thanks for this post justone, a real GEM!
I wonder how much of a deference it makes to view this from a Side-by-Side relationship, like the 2 hemispheres of our brain!
Great vid showing a Great mind at work, great and calm speaker, she reminds my of 'Gangaji'
https://gangaji.org/
Truly Magical
justone... 25 minutes in and just a quick note to say thank you for posting this video. I usually steer away from the videos preferring to read, but Ms. Walter is a compelling speaker that really resonates with me in bringing physics down to a understandable level. I have purchased her kindle book as well.
Here is here website: https://katyawalter.com/double_bubble.html
Now back to the last 30 minutes or so...
I agree with the rest, watching this video was a great philosophical moment, thanks!
I just finished watching this video and there are only two words to describe this, OUTSTANDING and COMPELLING. Ms. Walter, in succinct down to earth speech, provides an outline for understanding the creation of the universes as well as our place in it.
From the first page of her website...
When I first read this it seemed absurd to talk about a Theory of Everything, but having listened to this single one hour video, I now have a feeling of just how this could be. I've not totally bought in, but it places much of my meager understanding of physics into a model I can begin to comprehend.Quote:
...modern physics is choking on new, unaccountable data. The accelerating expansion of space? Dark matter? Dark energy? What's going on with this universe? Whatever comes along next must absorb the old physics within a new theory that is even more comprehensive and useful.
The theory of physics that you'll see here requires a really big gulp…even all the way to metaphysics. This Theory of Everything (or TOE) investigates physics and metaphysics to find where they converge in consciousness. It describes a physical, mathematical, and philosophical way to look at our double bubble universe.
HIGHLY RECOMMENDED VIDEO!!
This (less than 10 minute) interview reveals "the nature of reality" in such smooth, understandable way -
Katya Walter spent five years at the Jung Institute. Back in the fall, I made a few posts about the work of another Jungian, Remo Roth, on the notion of what he calls the ‘gut brain’ operating in conjunction with the ‘skull brain’. While the familiar skull brain opens onto our familiar spacetime, the gut brain would seem to be the portal to timespace, although that author does not use those terms.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post886200
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post887377
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post889817
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post900618
It was in this connection that in November I started writing the following somewhat tongue-in-cheek post, which I never got round to finishing.
What is timespace?
Timespace is the alternative realm to spacetime. Where spacetime has three dimensions of space, and one of time, timespace has three dimensions of time, and one of space. If spacetime is the realm of the rational mind, the Logos ego, then timespace must correspond to Jung’s unus mundus, in which the irrational mind, the Eros ego, operates. This sounds rather glib because to talk about three dimensions of time, one really needs to explain what these dimensions are supposed to involve. I for one am not happy using this term without having some idea of what it might actually mean. To my knowledge, to date this has not been done in so many words, so I want to explore the notion of timespace here, by building on the more familiar notion of spacetime.
Spacetime
The three spatial dimensions are well-known. On the small scale of objects, they are height, depth and width; on a larger planetary scale, they are latitude, longitude and altitude; on still larger cosmic scales, they are celestial coordinates with various reference points. The dimensional aspect extends these three into six directions: left and right, front and back, top and bottom; north-south, east-west, elevation-depth…
Obviously, every other direction is possible as a combination of these. Deviating increasingly eastwards from true north will take you through NNE, NE then ENE and finally due east. However, if you are making a sideways step on a moving bus, you will still be moving almost due north. However, if you factor in to your calculation the fact that the whole world is moving eastwards around its axis, then that northbound moving bus is basically heading east, and so are you, even if you step back in the opposite direction.
You can also factor in other celestial motions until you realize that the mostly widely travelled individual is following a course that is well-nigh indistinguishable from that of a bedridden contemporary. And yet where we are at any time is totally personal and ultimately crucial. If say, you were in Hiroshima in early August 1945, then a couple of days later in Nagasaki, and then after that anywhere at all, you were a unique individual, one Tsutomu Yamaguchi:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...survivor-japan
This is valid for all us. We have our personal trajectory through space which is almost entirely involuntary: we don’t so much go somewhere as somewhere comes to us. In this respect we each exert an astrological influence of our own, which can be augmented by joining forces with likeminded others. But such an influence is more readily removed than an inauspicious planet. If say you were part of a group of wealthy bankers unfavourable to the founding of the Fed approaching Wall St at a rate of knots in 1912, you would not be overly surprised to find your spacetime coordinates suddenly flipping over into timespace (whatever that means!). :)
I am postulating that this personal trajectory is the one-dimensional version of space we find in timespace: it is unidimensional but not unidirectional. As a corollary, one would have to say that in spacetime, the single dimension of time is also unidimensional but not unidirectional. In other words, its three dimensions are all present, but we only perceive one resultant movement. And just as we are all moving east on the planet, and towards the Great Attractor in the greater scheme of things, we are all experiencing linear time in the same manner, while each following our personal trajectory through the time dimension. Just as you can be moving west on a bus moving north on a planet moving east in a solar system moving in another different direction, and this all resolves into moving in a single direction at any moment in time, we have this same wiggle room in time that is at once infinitesimal in scale and crucial in importance.
The notion of Here
‘Here’ is a variable, in linguistics it is called a shifter, like a pronoun. Me is a shifter because it refers to whichever individual is speaking. My here is different from your here and different from my here at another time – so it varies in both space and time. ‘Here’ is also variable in extent. It may be the point I am at, or extend to everything within arm’s reach, earshot, eyeshot, my town, my country. In an open communication situation such as this forum, it will extend to the whole world, and even beyond. Ultimately, there is nothing but here, and it is constantly expanding. It was only in the last hundred years that the scale of the galaxy was discovered, along with the existence of other galaxies. Now, before discovering the scale of this universe, we have the multiverse, which will one day spawn multiple multiverses, if it hasn’t already: we already have the notion of other dimensions. So, whether or not there was a Big Bang in the cosmos, there has certainly been a Big Bang in our perceptions.
Double slit experiment
‘Here’ is also variable over time. Since we are moving even when we are still, we need to factor in the time dimension, which is why we refer to spacetime as a single concept. Here is a thought experiment. You are on a high speed train with a panoramic view heading straight for a church steeple in the distance. When you reach the church it will pass you by on one side or the other. You will have time to see which side, but once it is behind you, it will be too late to tell the difference. Take a smaller object much closer to the line such as a telegraph pole or a mast. It will flash past at such a rate that you might not be able to make this observation at all. Or imagine Schrodinger’s cat at a country station. Is it on Platform 1 or Platform 2? The only way to find out for sure would be to stop the train or at least slow it right down.
Looking out of a side window, things in the middle distance move at a more leisurely pace, more attuned to the eye and the brain. And background features hardly seem to move at all. This is all subjective because it is the observer who is moving, and their movement will also change the apparent speed of any moving objects in sight. Hence to slow things down, you need to move back. The word television means remote viewing because you can see things occurring at a great distance. That is the technological etymology; there is also however a technical etymology: television slows things down. When you watch a tennis ball covering twenty yards in about a second you have to move your head back and forth. When you have the same closeup view on a TV screen, that distance is reduced to a few inches, no head movement is required and the game seems so much slower than in real life. This is one of the distortions of that particular instrument. Another is the shape: a round ball will be ovalized upwards with a 16/9, sideways with a 4/3 picture. (Interestingly, people have got a whole lot fatter since the 4/3 screen was introduced.)
This is my macro-version of the double slit experiment. One of the problems of the laboratory version is therefore that no observation is made at the level of the slits, presumably because no observation of particles travelling at lightspeed is possible at that point with the available technology.
Hence what goes on at the double slit is weird simply because it is not observable. In the laboratory experiment, we observe the impact of particles after they have emerged on the other side, and are mystified by how they got there. Outside of the laboratory we see similar rogue entities misbehaving, i.e. using sleight of hand, when they think they can get away with it. Only the other day, new forum member Maurice was explaining how Enlil and Enki were not brothers but a single entity doing a one-man good cop-bad cop routine. Look one way you get a slap in the face, look the other you get a smile, but it is all the same process. This often leads to a presumption of guilt: having missed the bad guy, he becomes all we see, conveniently overlooking the fact that Sumer was also the cradle of modern humanity. The real problem stems from the fact that we have set up the experiment with two slits, and we really can’t see what is going on. Anyone performing this particular experiment is doing the good cop-bad cop routine, whether or not they know it.
Single slit experiment
There is an alternative. My single slit experiment goes like this. You are travelling down a long tunnel with ceiling lights every twenty yards. From a distance, you have a single source of light; closer up you have slowly moving particles of light; and by the time they come overhead they are moving much faster and yet the distance between them has also increased. It is all in the observer’s mind because from an outside standpoint, only the observer is moving. Wave, slow-moving particles, high-speed particles are the three views of the same phenomenon that you get when observing from the slit itself, at various distances.
Now you can describe the emotional landscape of an observer with 360° vision. Looking out sideways, in the far distance lies a deep field of detachment, boredom at the farthest, with growing interest as you come closer. There will be a focus of interest in the middle distance, while the foreground will speed past unintelligibly fast: focussing on the telegraph poles will give you a headache. Features coming into the picture from the front will arouse eager anticipation and perhaps a little nostalgia as they recede behind us. Looking out the front, that church straight ahead heralds impending doom unless you look round at the last one you passed safely. (We used to have fun with the kids, telling them to duck as we passed under a bridge.)
So we see how we view things differently when travelling, but we forget that we are travelling all the time. When we remember, space tends to become linear: you are on the road or track, and the 3D dimension to right and left, above and below, fades into the background. Your single dimension has two directions: your starting point, and your destination. The notion of ‘here’ does not really apply since you are not at any particular place unless you stop, which you don’t do, for by definition you are moving. ‘Here’ only applies on a scale where a particular location is large enough to accommodate part of a journey, and this is the level at which the observer can build up a narrative in which they can include as much scaremongering and dual particles as they wish: with a little imagination you can always turn a peaceful train ride into a ghost-train ride. You get a snapshot of a man walking along a road: you have no idea where he’s been and where he’s going. You can imagine all sorts of things, but he’s probably just popped out to buy a loaf of bread, or any of a hundred innocent, boring things. As space becomes linear, time comes into its own, or rather timespace does, because linear space is its fourth dimension.
Circularity
Seen from a height or distance, space is circular at many levels, and hence movement spirals through it by combining forward progression with a cyclical component. Paradoxically, the measurement of linear time is based on the repetitive cyclical component. A second is another heartbeat, a day another dawn. Linear time is the routine aspect of time, so we need to look at the other two dimensions for some relief and novelty. I am proposing that timespace is just another angle on spacetime. French students up to first year undergraduates don’t study history and geography as two completely separate subjects: they study ‘histoire-géo(graphie)’, up to a point with the same teacher. This reflects the notion that the same landscape can be viewed from both a space perspective (geography) and a time perspective (history). If so, then not only does time measure folds in space, but space measures folds in time. That time is space is literally true, as any archaeologist will tell you, and any geologist will confirm that it can sometimes be literally carved in stone. It is therefore my contention that the nature of timespace can be deduced from the above analysis of spacetime.
Timespace
So what are the three dimensions of time? Since they operate in conjunction with a one-dimensional space, now that we have reduced space to this single dimension, we ought to be able to look around and explore time. Linear time moves from past to future through an ever-changing present. What I said about ‘here’ also applies to ‘now’: ‘now’ does not exist on the micro level.
For most of the historic past, we have been passengers looking out of the side window, and not seeing much because of thick fog. In fact we have not been paying much attention at all, but reading some pulp fiction instead. The perpendicular view, as it has become visible, is what we call our present: something we share only fairly locally. What we see is about as relevant to us as we are to the proverbial cow staring at us on our passing trains. That is chiefly because we think we have a particular destination. To get from one town to another you pass through other irrelevant places, and a load of countryside that has nothing at all to do with our city-dweller concerns. But what if your journey is actually the scenic route to wherever you like?
In a time landscape, that church is approachable along various timelines. The future stretches out before us, we can go left or right of it, and at various distances from it, maybe not close at all. The past seems more settled, but only to the extent that we have been travelling in a straight line; anything else, and it will not be clear from the view out the back where we actually passed through. On a tight bend, more distant features that have already been passed may suddenly appear closer while others recede.
What type of vehicle are we travelling in?
It is interesting to note that when we talk of a power elite, it is often in terms of their greater command of space and time. They go down underground to places where normal humans cannot, have underground bases and cities, and incredibly fast transport there. When spatial transport gains speed, distance is reduced and remote areas become adjacent in time. They go into space, and even beyond the advertised range, they have a breakaway secret space program. With much greater longevity, they have been here all along, but from the perspective of our tiny circle, we discover that our ancient astronaut gods are returning as time travelers from the future.
Hence the key to our own power – the vehicle we are travelling in – combines the energies of spacetime and timespace. This of course has been an ongoing process with increasing refinements as we go along. The notion of spacetime itself is the child of the marriage of space and time, and timespace is another. The next generations, the children of ‘spacetime’ and ‘timespace’, we might call ‘tamespice’ and ‘spicetame’ (these are terms I have just coined, please quote me if you wish to use them :)). These would be further temperings of ‘spice’ and ‘tame’, the one being the more masculine 3D space-dominant notion of adventure through 1D time, the latter the notion of home, which might be described as a more feminine 3D time-dominant journey through 1D space. The saga of space and time, as in The Odyssey or The Arabian Nights is probably the most archetypal story ever told.
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The Arabian Nights are arguably the most powerful love story in all literature. In them, love slowly conquers its two opposites, which are fear and control – the desire to control people or the willingness to be controlled – caused by an illusion of separation.
There is no separation; all is one. What appears on the outside is really a reflection on what is happening to us inside. So the Sultan Shahriar, who executes his wives after one night because he finds women false and faithless, is actually afraid of his own feminine side, and so any separation is of his own doing. Similarly, Scheherazade obviously has unfinished business with her own murderous masculine side.
So she talks them both out of their fear and gradually they become whole, both as balanced individuals and as a couple. Basically, they chill out, bigtime, together. And everyone gets to benefit from it.
She tells stories of Sinbad the Sailor, Jinbad the Jailer, Minbad the Mailer, Ninbad the Nailer, Pinbad the Pailer, Quinbad the Quailer, Rinbad the Railer, Tinbad the Tailor, Whinbad the Whaler (as James Joyce describes it at the end of his novel Ulysses: his way of saying she does go on a bit, the way women – and his own feminine side – sometimes do!).
So we have these exciting adventures that become boring through repetition. Remember, she’s got a knife to her throat. But the effect is far from soporific or hypnotic; the Sultan discovers he likes this stuff and keeps coming back for more. It is actually doing him a power of good, by doing the exact opposite – adding a buzz to humdrum home life, for Scheherazade is describing their own situation.
Take Sinbad the Sailor for instance, who tells his stories (one per night, just like Scheherazade) to Sinbad the Landsman. So basically, you have the adventurer talking to his own home-loving side about his 7 voyages and 7 homecomings. Like some glorified breadwinner, he risks life and limb to make his fortune, comes home until he gets bored and sets off again. After doing this six times, he decides he has had enough, but the king sends him away again. Not being his own man any more, unsurprisingly he is made a slave and has to kill one elephant each day for its ivory. Finally the elephants rebel and cart him off to their graveyard where he can become extremely rich and regain his freedom without all this killing.
So here the Sultan can identify with both the controlling king and the murderous slave-owner, and the killing only stops when the victim explains to him that there is a greater prize in abandoning any pretence of being in charge.
There is still a long way to go, but the killer instinct is already losing its grip with each passing day, and Scheherazade finally stops talking when she has nothing left to fear. She has taken the man to heart, and he has let her in; they have fallen in love.
But what does the Sultan say to her? Perhaps he says ‘I’ve got a good story I could tell you if I could get a word in edgeways!’. Or maybe he answers a question, the only question, however she phrases it. The basic format is ‘Will you—(whatever)?’. He can answer No, as he does to his previous wives. Or he can play for time: his message a thousand times over to Scheherazade is basically ‘not tonight Josephine!’. Either way, he can take all the time in the world before coming up with the right answer, with no arm-twisting. There is no control freak saying this is a lifelong commitment. It’s more like a visual pun: is it a duck or a rabbit, a candlestick or two faces, an old woman or a young girl? When you have learned to see both at once, you cannot unlearn it. Can you see it? Yes!
I mentioned Joyce’s Ulysses just now. The final chapter is a long interior monologue by his modern-day Penelope who has just told her husband, back home at 6 am, that Yes she’ll make him two eggs for breakfast in bed, and then she rambles on to herself for over fifty pages without pausing for breath. It takes a miracle to shut her up. She recalls the time he proposed to her and her answering Yes I will; and the two last words in the book are that most empowering word Yes Yes! – Yes to that then, Yes to that now, one big yes to life, the universe and everything.
Yes I will; enough said. Life really is that simple – a piece of cake. Enjoy.
very interesting video, what she says "makes a lot of sense" to me.. ties in a lot of what I've been learning about.
great video:
http://vimeo.com/17769179
On this 9-minute video posted by Justone, Dr. Katya Walter says the following:Quote:
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"At the deepest level of reality we can find number. Number is not the cold thing we have often thought it to be in western science. It has a linear aspect ... that gives quantity; but number also has a qualitative aspect, a relational quality, that brings resonances, and these resonances bring in pools of connectivity. It is not linear cause-and-effect; it is Acausal, or what we in the West have called acausal.
Carl Jung said that synchronicity is an acausal connecting principle which makes things come together in ways that the logical mind cannot explain. I think that it can be explained – it is acausal when we don’t know how to explain the cause. I think it has to do with analog resonance which relates one thing to another."
I just finished the whole thing and it was one of the best literation of the full explanation of "how things work" - that solidifies everything that I have come to understand.
Everything is encompassed as far as I have been able to tell, fully accurately, with, if you loosen some definitions and labels a little, you can extrapolate:
-- What we refer to as "Christ" and "Satan" - are just the two polarizing forces that are required to have a Universe come into creation. One has closer "proximity" to our physical universe the other has closer proximity to what is often referred to as the "Christ consciousness" - that which lies below Planck's constant. Often an "area" referred to "heaven" or "the spiritual realm".
-- The "Garden of Eden" describes a time where humans still had the ability to be fully conscious below Planck's constant and had the ego doing mindful technical things in the physical universe - keeping the body safe; rather than having an entire consciousness fully reside within the ego - as is the current state for vast majority.
-- "The Fall" of man likely referred to a time or event(s) that caused humans to lose conscious awareness of all the exists below Planck's constant, and all the myriad consciousness that reside there. Where because of this loss of awareness, the ego had to do the "driving", and the results have been ... perhaps "action without vision", is a good way to put it.
-- For myself personally - trying to get greater understanding by what was meant as "The changing of the guard" - I realize that may have been merely a reference to "the Fall" itself.
-- "The 'Second Coming of Christ'" refers to the time where humanity regains this ability to be conscious on both sides of Planck's constant (perhaps just a "psychological shift"), the reconnection of "The Christ' with human consciousness. After this point -- the "REAL" adventure begins!! ;) ;)
-- Countless more connections obviously exist within this interview ... All rather easily extrapolated -- from explanations in physics!
This video needs to be shared, intellectual people, especially those with an affinity for physics, will really have some serious stuff to chew on. The world will be transformed by an internal revolution of understanding ;)
Highly recommended video!
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"archonic" influence and the often repeated "outside influence" stories: Is the ego's constant babbling meant to cause such a great amount of white noise that we can no longer "hear/perceive" the sub-plank connection? We all know how subtle intuition is and since we live in a loud-fast-bright-&-shiny world where the MORE visceral the experience the "more enjoyable" we see it, in essence we have numbed our selves by DEEP immersion into this side of the duality,, we have pushed as far from the barrier as possible via our own desires, and mostly via our own choice (though the choice has been carefully guided for sure).
If you'll notice as we go further and further along the timeline this is becoming a more and more exaggerated phenomenon, children no longer play with toys that leverage the imagination, they play with structured toys that allow for little deviation from their intended purpose, but those "limited" toys are fulfilling due to the lights and noise and shiny parts.
The same distraction phenomenon exists among adults as well, I live on a tourist destination island; the natural beauty of this island is breath taking... just "being" here is awesome; guess what the FIRST THING I am asked by tourists that climb off the cruise ships here: "what is there to do here?"
what is there to do here?? seriously?
we have drown our selves in entertainment and convenience so much that what used to be seen as the ultimate beauty of the planet now is just a place to "find more entertainment" with a minor thought to the "cool back ground" of a tropical island.
All of this pushes us further from the quiet whisper of intuition and "connected" living, our balance is so (in general) so far skewed that even the concept of this threads main focus is mostly unfathomable by the average earth dweller.
Back to the "archons"
Clearly C L E A R L Y this/these entities exist sub plank; their ability to execute plans that span thousands of years makes perfect sense if they come from the sub-plank realm (3d time 1d space), intellectually they "have it all" but they must be extremely jealous of what we have, and no doubt a part of their influence is to push us farther from any connection to their realm for concealment and probably to a high degree living "vicariously" through us... I think there may be a tie in to energy "vampiresm" and emotional manipulation as well but I'm less experienced with those topics so I cannot expand too much.
This is a very interesting base to build further theory on, it helps focus other subjects I've read on and change their connotation quite dramatically.
She is so Extremely Close... just a bit more intuitiveness, and she'll have it all.
"Consciousness CREATES MATTER... NOT the other way 'round."
She'd be wise to read some of Jane Robert's pieces from 'Seth':
- The Nature of Personal Reality
- The Nature of the Psyche
- Psychic Politics (her own work)
- The Unknown Reality (pts 1 & 2)
An excerpt from Chapter 3 of “Seth Speaks” by Jane Roberts
Your scientists are finally learning what philosophers have known for centuries – that mind can influence matter. They still have to discover the fact that the mind creates and forms matter.
Now your closest environment, physically speaking, is your body. It is not like some manikin-shape in which you are imprisoned, that exists apart from you like a casing. Your body is not beautiful or ugly, healthy or deformed, swift or slow simply because this is the kind of body that was thrust upon you indiscriminately at birth. Instead your physical form, your corporeal personal environment, is the physical materialization of you own thoughts, emotions, and interpretations.
Quite literally, the “inner self” forms the body by magically transforming thoughts and emotions into physical counterparts. You grow the body. Its condition perfectly mirrors your subjective state at any given time. Using atoms and molecules, you build your body, forming basic elements into a form that you call your own.
You are intuitively aware that you form your image, and that you are independent of it. You do not realize that you create your larger environment and the physical world as you know it by propelling your thoughts and emotions into matter – a breakthrough into three-dimensional life. The inner self, therefore, individually and en masse, sends its psychic energy out, forming tentacles that coalesce into form.
Each emotion and thought has its own electromagnetic reality, completely unique. It is highly equipped to combine with certain others, according to the various ranges of intensity that you include. In a manner of speaking, three-dimensional objects are formed in somewhat the same way that images you see on your television screen are formed, but with a larger difference. And if you are not tuned into that particular frequency, you will not perceive the physical objects at all.
Each of you act as transformers, consciously, automatically transforming highly sophisticated electromagnetic units into physical objects. You are in the middle of a “matter-concentrated system”, surrounded, so to speak, by weaker areas in which what you would call “pseudo-matter” persists. Each thought and emotion spontaneously exists as a simple or complex electromagnetic unit – unperceived, incidentally, as yet by your scientists.
The intensity determines both the strength and the permanency of the physical image into which the thought or emotion will be materialized. In my own material I am explaining this in depth. Here, I merely want you to understand that the world that you know is the reflection of an inner reality.
Each of these works delve into the very thing Katya alludes to when she speaks about the 'deeper levels' and to which she refers to as being mathematically based.
In Unity, Peace and Love
There's lots I want to comment on here, but It's new years and I just slipped away for the moment - I'll have to think on this a little. I think, yes, that what we perceive as "Archons" are just another element of Ego, but it also came to mind that perhaps they are not from our "Universe" - but their goal is to control all "Universes" as opposed to control by their "Christ consciousnesses" - basically hijacking control of the Universe from "God" so to speak - something that ancient human legends have referred to. So perhaps "The Fall" of man, was due to interference by beings from outside our universe, to pry control from the other pole. It sure does get one thinking .. ;) I would say the unseen exists on this side of Planck's constant as well.Quote:
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"archonic" influence and the often repeated "outside influence" stories: Is the ego's constant babbling meant to cause such a great amount of white noise that we can no longer "hear/perceive" the sub-plank connection? We all know how subtle intuition is and since we live in a loud-fast-bright-&-shiny world where the MORE visceral the experience the "more enjoyable" we see it, in essence we have numbed our selves by DEEP immersion into this side of the duality,, we have pushed as far from the barrier as possible via our own desires, and mostly via our own choice (though the choice has been carefully guided for sure).
If you'll notice as we go further and further along the timeline this is becoming a more and more exaggerated phenomenon, children no longer play with toys that leverage the imagination, they play with structured toys that allow for little deviation from their intended purpose, but those "limited" toys are fulfilling due to the lights and noise and shiny parts.
The same distraction phenomenon exists among adults as well, I live on a tourist destination island; the natural beauty of this island is breath taking... just "being" here is awesome; guess what the FIRST THING I am asked by tourists that climb off the cruise ships here: "what is there to do here?"
what is there to do here?? seriously?
we have drown our selves in entertainment and convenience so much that what used to be seen as the ultimate beauty of the planet now is just a place to "find more entertainment" with a minor thought to the "cool back ground" of a tropical island.
All of this pushes us further from the quiet whisper of intuition and "connected" living, our balance is so (in general) so far skewed that even the concept of this threads main focus is mostly unfathomable by the average earth dweller.
Back to the "archons"
Clearly C L E A R L Y this/these entities exist sub plank; their ability to execute plans that span thousands of years makes perfect sense if they come from the sub-plank realm (3d time 1d space), intellectually they "have it all" but they must be extremely jealous of what we have, and no doubt a part of their influence is to push us farther from any connection to their realm for concealment and probably to a high degree living "vicariously" through us... I think there may be a tie in to energy "vampiresm" and emotional manipulation as well but I'm less experienced with those topics so I cannot expand too much.
This is a very interesting base to build further theory on, it helps focus other subjects I've read on and change their connotation quite dramatically.
I'll try to chime in more later on your post ... :)
Id gather that with access to 3D time and liner location (here, as explained in the video). Being the fractal reflection of your "other side" some weird possibilities appearQuote:
Posted by DeDukshynThere's lots I want to comment on here, but It's new years and I just slipped away for the moment - I'll have to think on this a little. I think, yes, that what we perceive as "Archons" are just another element of Ego, but it also came to mind that perhaps they are not from our "Universe" - but their goal is to control all "Universes" as opposed to control by their "Christ consciousnesses" - basically hijacking control of the Universe from "God" so to speak - something that ancient human legends have referred to. So perhaps "The Fall" of man, was due to interference by beings from outside our universe, to pry control from the other pole. It sure does get one thinking .. ;) I would say the unseen exists on this side of Planck's constant as well.Quote:
Posted by TargeTOther thoughts:Quote:
Posted by DeDukshyn
"archonic" influence and the often repeated "outside influence" stories: Is the ego's constant babbling meant to cause such a great amount of white noise that we can no longer "hear/perceive" the sub-plank connection? We all know how subtle intuition is and since we live in a loud-fast-bright-&-shiny world where the MORE visceral the experience the "more enjoyable" we see it, in essence we have numbed our selves by DEEP immersion into this side of the duality,, we have pushed as far from the barrier as possible via our own desires, and mostly via our own choice (though the choice has been carefully guided for sure).
If you'll notice as we go further and further along the timeline this is becoming a more and more exaggerated phenomenon, children no longer play with toys that leverage the imagination, they play with structured toys that allow for little deviation from their intended purpose, but those "limited" toys are fulfilling due to the lights and noise and shiny parts.
The same distraction phenomenon exists among adults as well, I live on a tourist destination island; the natural beauty of this island is breath taking... just "being" here is awesome; guess what the FIRST THING I am asked by tourists that climb off the cruise ships here: "what is there to do here?"
what is there to do here?? seriously?
we have drown our selves in entertainment and convenience so much that what used to be seen as the ultimate beauty of the planet now is just a place to "find more entertainment" with a minor thought to the "cool back ground" of a tropical island.
All of this pushes us further from the quiet whisper of intuition and "connected" living, our balance is so (in general) so far skewed that even the concept of this threads main focus is mostly unfathomable by the average earth dweller.
Back to the "archons"
Clearly C L E A R L Y this/these entities exist sub plank; their ability to execute plans that span thousands of years makes perfect sense if they come from the sub-plank realm (3d time 1d space), intellectually they "have it all" but they must be extremely jealous of what we have, and no doubt a part of their influence is to push us farther from any connection to their realm for concealment and probably to a high degree living "vicariously" through us... I think there may be a tie in to energy "vampiresm" and emotional manipulation as well but I'm less experienced with those topics so I cannot expand too much.
This is a very interesting base to build further theory on, it helps focus other subjects I've read on and change their connotation quite dramatically.
I'll try to chime in more later on your post ... :)
Are we being influenced to advance at a pace that we are capable of, we don't seem to be very creative on our own but we are pretty great at improving known systems. Our huge advancements come few and far between as a people, though with the assistance of computer based modeling and a few other tech related advancements (in the manufacturing world and resource gathering) we are improving faster now.
"They" would seemingly be immortal and know enough to effect or affect this world due to the vastness of all knowledge to browse/use with 3d time possible.
a strange one to wrap your head around, there could be no paradox because time is like a place you walk to (or something, I guess they would do the opposite of move to get places too? how far does the fractal reflection go, there's got to be some significant differences, I don't even know if "they" (or what ever,, sub-plank consciousness) have a "consciousness reset" like we do (death)). Everything we've ever ever ever known, they know or can find or access no matter "when" it happened, that's a pretty strange symbiosis or reflection.
Things that are all common:
Adinkras
∞ Nesting Dolls
Mosaics
Fractals
z = z2 + c
III
Code 39
Æther
E=mc2_?
Hopefully you can connect the .PCL
Some thoughts from this thread that resonate with my mind:
"Consciousness CREATES MATTER... NOT the other way 'round." "Kindred" quoting "Seth" above. I got so much from the Seth books, discovering the material in used bookstores by happenstance in the late 80's and I still value the material.
“Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate.” ~ Carl Jung, a sigfile quote of "justone" that I think is so true. Coincidentally, I am currently reading Carl Jung's "Memories, Dreams, Reflections", and concurrently, a book that sat on my bookshelf for 25 years, "The Portable Jung"(edited by Joseph Campbell).
"how far does the fractal reflection go, there's got to be some significant differences, I don't even know if "they" (or what ever,, sub-plank consciousness) have a "consciousness reset" like we do (death))." from TargeT's post above. Such a great pondering.
Speaking of Fractals, we recently watched this old PBS show on dvd from Netflix about its modern 'discovery' and use in the development of computer graphics or CGI. Interesting for history, could have used more fractal imagery.
http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/Fractal...l&trkid=222336
"Determined to understand the repeating patterns he was finding in nature, French mathematician Benoit Mandelbrot used an early form of computer imagery to produce his own versions, coining the recurring shapes fractals. This installment of the PBS series "Nova" examines the rules of these self-similar patterns and explores the ways these fascinating geometric configurations can be applied in the fields of science, medicine and the arts."
And I found a link to some Netflix dvds that we watched many years ago on scientific explorations on consciousness, intellectually stimulating (if dry). My fave was Dr. Hameroff 's studies of neuro-dendrites and mentions of Penrose patterns, trying to find sources of how consciousness activates within the physical body (an impossible task in my mind, as the Seth material suggests, material reality being made of "aware-ized energy", so that immeasurable 'nano' everything contains "consciousness"--perhaps the infinite fractal?).
http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/Conscio...l&trkid=222336
Disc 1 (of 5):
This disc includes interviews with Dr. Stuart Hameroff, M.D. Professor, Anesthesiology and Psychology, Associate Director, Center for Consciousness Studies, University of Arizona, David Chalmers, Ph.D. Professor, Department of Philosophy; Director, Center For Consciousness Studies, University of Arizona, Nancy J. Woolf, Ph.D. Professor, Laboratory of NanoNeuroscience, Department of Psychology, UCLA and Willoughby Britton, University of Arizona, Tucson.
Thanks for the food for thought y'all.