Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

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Posted by Shin'Ar

Pope Chester,

I apologize for missing your responses above. I was counting on the subscription notifications which do not always seem to be available in this forum. I just happened to go back a few posts and spotted your replies.

I have a question to ask you, and an analogy to use to pose the question, but I fear that it may sound insulting, and I want you to know ahead of time it is not being asked as it sounds. It is simply the analogy that seems to fit my thought around what you are stating in your posts.

When you speak of having attained a philosophy and way of life in which all of these other issues that so perplex so many, you have managed to free your self from by simply denying them, is that not the old ostrich with its head in the sand just pretending that everything can't bother you if you pretend its not there?

And then on the other hand I become confused, because I ask that question based upon a certain aspect of your responses, and then find myself also listening to you state with determination that you have no intention of accepting that both parasite and prey can coexist in life. This which seems to contradict what you say about going into your place where nothing bothers you, and where you simply deny all of the more cosmic aspects of existence, placing your 'self' in the center of the universe.

Does this have anything to do with your bipolar disorder? Am I relating to two different people here in this discussion? I had that feeling before which was why I tried to connect with you, at which time I became aware of your bipolar issues.

I guess to summarize our discussion to this point, I have attempted to relate how the light and dark aspects of duality are the paradox which actually drive creation. When I speak of the Ancients, I am not referring to any particular old religion or philosophy. I speak of the countless many evolving fields of consciousness which have been down the road we are one and have gone on before us to other experiences and higher states of being. Like you I do not believe in gods but I do think that, if we can be on an evolving path toward higher states of being, then it logically follows that many others have gone on before us.

This is the Divine Design.

You seem to have taken my references to Divine Design as being some sort of state of being which has been set in place, which we have no escape from.

Like the example you use where God deliberately creates a place where children are abused.

That is not Divine Design. That is the manifestation of free will and choice.

Divine Design is simply the intelligent design of this Process of Being, in which each field of consciousness/circle emanating from The Source, (whatever that might be), evolves and develops from lower state of being into higher state of being, and experiences the many states of being in between.

What I have attempted to offer you is the understanding that all is Process of Being, whether elite, parasitic or prey. Regardless of the degrees of light or dark found in any particular state of being, the freedom to be of one vibration or the other is that which fuels the Design and its Procession/expansion.

In this thread, called 'We Are The Grail',
I have posted another response which is very relevant to what I am trying to convey here and maybe if you are interested my friend, we could continue this discussion there so as to avoid any derailing of the archon topic.

I am somewhat confused by your responses, but in them I also see great wisdom and depth that I rarely see, and so I am determined to gather benefit from what you offer even though it may take some digging. lol

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WoW! How synchronistic is your post which I just discovered this moment - part of your answer can be found in this post I just made a few hours ago -

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post637115

Also, I find based on what I have read from you we share a massive amount of common ground and yet I would be lying if I did not state I had drawn the conclusion you are satisfied with the outcome of the lovely "lower" divine design so let me clarify my view.

From the viewpoint that I am a sovereign spirit being having a physical body anchored experience and that I have free will and all that, I doubt you will find anyone (in fact any sentient expression of life for that matter) more appreciative (I am speaking in the now... not as to how I felt in the past) of the gift of life I feel I have been given.

To that designer... if that is the "one" that provided this dynamic of "me" (which means "you" and all other conscious life expressions) and the experiential realm within which "I" (you/each of us) perceive "I" (you/each of us) within which we exist... that has provided the gift of free will along with this overall gift of life, then I am that "one's" biggest fan and as to that "design" I am also the biggest fan. You might be equally as much a fan of this "one" and this "one's" design but no one could be a bigger fan.

What I take issue with is the possibility of a third party that seems to have intervened between "source" and "source's children."

Now I am of the personal opinion that no intervention could take place without my allowance of this intervention, but here's the problem. Fellow sentient spirit beings do not necessarily share that view. Fine... we all have free will, we can all decide for ourselves what is acceptable and what may not be for ourselves individually. What concerns me is this third party and how this third party appears to have gained the ability to "pretend" to be the initial creator and has set up its own "realm" of which I am concerned the "ascended master" dynamic is a part. There are all sorts of dynamics but that one in particular concerns me.

So you have to inform me as to which dynamic you are asking me about as to whether I support it or not. The former I described above is acceptable, the latter is unacceptable as I have found folks who settle for that are the actual ostriches who have stuck their heads in sand so deep all their spiritual cousins simply suffer.

Simply this Shin'Ar... I find it unacceptable to accept the conscious participation of my fellow human beings in perpetuating the dynamic where unnecessary suffering occurs for other fellow human beings. That's it.

And what I also have found is that there is a layer of human beings who adopt the attitude that a dynamic where a spirit being returns over and over again to live fragmented existences because they need to "learn" or "remember" something is part of some "divine design" as that creates the ultimate form of elitism (IMO) which is spiritual elitism and clearly hierarchical.

Now, I would be lying if I did not state that I have reverence for those who appear to have taken charge as a sovereign spirit being (perhaps have done so their entire life unlike myself) but when "they" then begin to push upon me an "ascended master" type dynamic as a justification for their lack of true effort to assist the downtrodden - that's what bugs me.

Hi Chester,

You said this, "What I take issue with is the possibility of a third party that seems to have intervened between "source" and "source's children."

This is I guess where I find the confusion. Like you, I am also deeply appreciative of this opportunity to exist. I also choose to defy any other who would act in ill manner to anyone for nothing more than fulfillment of their own greed and satisfaction.

But I do so with the understanding that I do not them as a 'third party'. But rather more 'others' expressing their free will very differently than I and you choose to express ours. How they choose to express their freedom of choice, is the very essence of why you and I have that same choice.

So it seems that where we differ in understanding is that you believe that you are able to control their freedom of choice as a creator of your own universe. To that I must ask you, if you are capable of such influence, then why is not every one else able to do the same? And if everyone had that ability to create whatever they wanted, then what does that mean with regard to the Other's creations, despite yours?

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Simply this Shin'Ar... I find it unacceptable to accept the conscious participation of my fellow human beings in perpetuating the dynamic where unnecessary suffering occurs for other fellow human beings. That's it.

And what I also have found is that there is a layer of human beings who adopt the attitude that a dynamic where a spirit being returns over and over again to live fragmented existences because they need to "learn" or "remember" something is part of some "divine design" as that creates the ultimate form of elitism (IMO) which is spiritual elitism and clearly hierarchical.

Now, I would be lying if I did not state that I have reverence for those who appear to have taken charge as a sovereign spirit being (perhaps have done so their entire life unlike myself) but when "they" then begin to push upon me an "ascended master" type dynamic as a justification for their lack of true effort to assist the downtrodden - that's what bugs me.

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I would tend to agree with what you say here, except that you have also said in other posts that you consider yourself to be elite because of your spiritual elitism.

It seems that what you mean by Ascended Masters is religious hierarchy and its very corrupt and manipulative teaching and legacy. And I agree with your perceptions in that regard. However this is not what I mean when I refer to The Ancient Ones, which I did elaborate on in another post somewhere, lol.

I am not suggesting that when we confront evil, we do not do what we think is right based upon love and compassion. not at all. Like you, I believe there is an obligation to counter it with love and light.

What I am trying to point out is that, unlike you, I do not see these as a 'third party, somehow coming between God and Its children. I simply see them as Others making choices which are not compatible with love and light, choices which they have as much right to make as we do, and a part of one overall process of being which is as natural as the process which we tend toward.

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Posted by Shin'Ar

Hi Chester,

You said this, "What I take issue with is the possibility of a third party that seems to have intervened between "source" and "source's children."

This is I guess where I find the confusion. Like you, I am also deeply appreciative of this opportunity to exist. I also choose to defy any other who would act in ill manner to anyone for nothing more than fulfillment of their own greed and satisfaction.

But I do so with the understanding that I do not them as a 'third party'. But rather more 'others' expressing their free will very differently than I and you choose to express ours. How they choose to express their freedom of choice, is the very essence of why you and I have that same choice.

So it seems that where we differ in understanding is that you believe that you are able to control their freedom of choice as a creator of your own universe. To that I must ask you, if you are capable of such influence, then why is not every one else able to do the same? And if everyone had that ability to create whatever they wanted, then what does that mean with regard to the Other's creations, despite yours?

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Howdy Shin'Ar, I understand your dilemma with me and so I will do my very best to clarify.

I will start with this. I am a multi-view individual. Meaning I am able to rest comfortably on multiple levels simultaneously and allow "others" to select the contextual level for conversation and "point sharing." This may be why you (and most others) are able to be confused.

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But I do so with the understanding that I do not perceive them as a 'third party'.

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Note I placed the word "perceive" there because it seems you left out a word in your original post and so I guessed what word that might have been. Apologies if I assumed incorrectly or chose the wrong word.

I, just like you, take this exact same view when I am coming from the point of view of ME, the "Big Guy", the All that Is, of which Chester is simply one individual expression. Those who have followed my posts will note I have stated many times it is the Us/Them dynamic which is the actual nemesis and that it is only the individual that perceives such. I have also stated the famous quote, "You are your own worst enemy," may better be stated as, "You are your only enemy."

And you and I would get along great if it were just us and folks who understood this at the deepest level of its truth. Unfortunately, we are surrounded by a massive amount of folks who are unable to reach through to that core understanding. They have their level which is the foundational level of their point of view and at that level, there are bad guys that have intentions of imposing their will on them against their own will. And they perceive that they are unable to stop these nefarious characters.

There is an element of the membership of Avalon which believes they are caught up in a matrix which is ultimately the creation of a metaphorical "abjectly evil" minion some know as "the demiurge." For these folks, this demiurge is extremely real and manifests in all sorts of horrific ways and is the head guy of a bad guy group known as "the archons."

Because I honor the viewpoints of everyone (though I also reserve the right to interject my 2 cents into these matters with hopes to somehow positively effect some of these viewpoints), I respect those who feel they and/or their fellow spirit being friends are held hostage by the archontic forces, dark energies, etc. So I would not attempt to "tell them" they create the bad guy all on their own, instead I attempt to point out to them that "a-ha place" where they discover this for themselves as I have found self discovery to be the only effective reformative process for justoneclown.

In other words, all points of view have, to some degree, a bit of truth in them whereas at the end of the day, folks like you and me see form itself as simply an illusion. Perhaps another difference is that I embrace the illusion now (I used to despise it).

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How they choose to express their freedom of choice, is the very essence of why you and I have that same choice.

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And I honor anyone's right so to do as long as they do not impose their will upon me without my agreement. If they play a trick upon me by preying upon my innocence I also find that unacceptable.

Since I am able to fearlessly embrace this illusion, I am also able to fearlessly explore standing up for those who are less capable or less willing but wish they would. I don't arbitrarily do this. I do this when called upon. This forum calls upon folks like "us" to do so. I am glad to answer that call. This forum saved my life and so I owe it at least my life. This is how I see it.

Another reason I take this position is because it is my opinion this - How we have managed this illusion up to this point has manifested into the worst nightmare imaginable. Because I have partaken in acts that have resulted in the bringing of spirits into life in the form of my three sons, I feel responsible to do all I can to ensure a better world for my sons at every level they might possibly experience.

This includes ensuring they do not fall victim to child predators (for example) or those who wish to use them for other horrific purposes as is known to be happening if one believes just one percent of what has been written about and testified to in this thread alone.

So on that level, I feel I have every right and in fact, I am compelled to impose my will upon those who wish to impose their will on those who, if they had a choice in this conscious gross realm, would not want what is being imposed upon them to occur.

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So it seems that where we differ in understanding is that you believe that you are able to control their freedom of choice as a creator of your own universe. To that I must ask you, if you are capable of such influence, then why is not every one else able to do the same? And if everyone had that ability to create whatever they wanted, then what does that mean with regard to the Other's creations, despite yours?

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The difference is that I employ common courtesy in my life (I am not at all implying you don't... I am stating there are some folks who simply don't - the elite wanna be illumed and nutty types) and you don't find me ever imposing my will upon those who do the same... those who have basic court awareness of what basic human to human courtesy is. I also don't live my life looking for trouble nor looking to be someone's savior yet if I find myself in a situation where someone else's basic human rights are being violated against their will, I find myself reacting on behalf of the one who is being imposed upon. It's not something I think about, it is something I simply find that I do. Something that is natural for my spirit to react to.

I see this forum as, ultimately, to have this goal as well (amongst other goals). It is my guess that one of the goals of the founder is to provide something that could be effectively helpful for humanity. That we might leave a better world to our children as opposed to the world a common odds maker would prognosticate based on past and current data.

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Posted by justoneclown

Simply this Shin'Ar... I find it unacceptable to accept the conscious participation of my fellow human beings in perpetuating the dynamic where unnecessary suffering occurs for other fellow human beings. That's it.

And what I also have found is that there is a layer of human beings who adopt the attitude that a dynamic where a spirit being returns over and over again to live fragmented existences because they need to "learn" or "remember" something is part of some "divine design" as that creates the ultimate form of elitism (IMO) which is spiritual elitism and clearly hierarchical.

Now, I would be lying if I did not state that I have reverence for those who appear to have taken charge as a sovereign spirit being (perhaps have done so their entire life unlike myself) but when "they" then begin to push upon me an "ascended master" type dynamic as a justification for their lack of true effort to assist the downtrodden - that's what bugs me.

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I would tend to agree with what you say here, except that you have also said in other posts that you consider yourself to be elite because of your spiritual elitism.

It seems that what you mean by Ascended Masters is religious hierarchy and its very corrupt and manipulative teaching and legacy. And I agree with your perceptions in that regard. However this is not what I mean when I refer to The Ancient Ones, which I did elaborate on in another post somewhere, lol.

I am not suggesting that when we confront evil, we do not do what we think is right based upon love and compassion. not at all. Like you, I believe there is an obligation to counter it with love and light.

What I am trying to point out is that, unlike you, I do not see these as a 'third party, somehow coming between God and Its children. I simply see them as Others making choices which are not compatible with love and light, choices which they have as much right to make as we do, and a part of one overall process of being which is as natural as the process which we tend toward.

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I bait the trap and sometimes I catch prey. My point is that all too often, those who "awaken" end up succumbing to the allure of becoming the worst form of elitist which is, to me, spiritual elitism. By me pointing out this possibility and identifying myself as awakened, I create the very cage someone like me must be placed in. So yes, I am awakened, and yes I think I am hot $#@& and fortunately for everyone, I have the guts to admit it and thus have created a safety zone between me (and those like me) and everyone else... a good thing.

Hey, that was a stupid remark I made about the Ancient Ones - but when you are a clown, you are allowed to slip now and then.

Anyways, I mean that apology. It is probably not anyone else's fault I find myself swimming amongst the rest of us in a sea of clowns.

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What I am trying to point out is that, unlike you, I do not see these as a 'third party, somehow coming between God and Its children. I simply see them as Others making choices which are not compatible with love and light, choices which they have as much right to make as we do, and a part of one overall process of being which is as natural as the process which we tend toward.

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I grant you I share at my deepest level this exact view. This is the nature of the mechanism of manifested form. You nailed it when you pointed out it could not contain free will if it were otherwise.

Where I reside though is with a foot in (at least) two worlds - yours (where there is no matrix) and the world of others who perceive this matrix and consider themselves somewhat entrapped within it. And I would be lying if I did not state honestly I enjoy the challenge even if it is all illusion and even if the enemy is, indeed, a figment of my own imagination.

Multi-polar is an interesting experience.

Fortunately we have the consistent, such as you, who are rocks that nuts like me can grab onto while the current woooshes clowns like me down the river of life.

I wish everyone could see life as you do because then we wouldn't have satanic ritual human sacrifice, war (another form of the same), violent abuse and sexual abuse (another form of the same) and the list goes on and on...

This is a good exchange, Shin'Ar.

I can honestly say now that after having finally connected with you, even though you are not yet aware of that connection or how it has been made, that what has been perceived as bipolar disorder is not an accurate explanation of your true duality. It may be that there is some chemical imbalance or physical abnormality Chester, but really, WTF is normal anyway. Who gets to define it and make up the label? Shall we, who know more of our spiritual reality than those who would be labeled normal, also define ourselves the way they do? No!

I am aware now that you are listening with great interest and curiosity to what I have been saying, and that you are being touched by my thoughts. I know what I am doing to you.

Let me tell you what I know of you, as a field of consciousness, as opposed to the physical form that your doctors identify you as.

Your field has reincarnated here, at this time, in this temporary form, to assist others in being freed from that which The Ancients referred to as 'the cycle of darkness'. This cycle is the unnecessary prolonging of the natural cycle of reincarnation itself. Though it is a natural process, it is not meant to be gone through more than necessary for the evolution of the state of being of a field of consciousness. This cycle of reincarnation is meant for particular experiences for the development of fields of consciousness, and it is natural for each field to evolve at its own pace. What is unnatural however, is for a field of consciousness to become so addicted to the physical pleasures realized in these forms, that the field becomes caught up in a continuation of reincarnation far exceeding the natural time for its evolution which should take it beyond this cycle and into higher states of being.

And there are those who are aware of this and actually promote it and nurture it so that those fields which become addicted to remaining in this cycle, continue to feed the greed and desires of those using them. these are referred to by the Ancients as the Dark Brotherhood, and they seek out those who would fit into their ways and understandings, enrolling them when they find them.

Many fields are trapped in this 'cycle of darkness', being manipulated by these dark brethren, who use the pleasures and satisfactions of the flesh as their bait.

And there are many fields which, being aware of this entrapment of their loved ones, that choose to reincarnate here, even though they have managed to ascend into higher states of being which could allow them to be freed from the cycle if they so chose.

They return in love to assist those they love, to defy the Dark Ones, and to help their loved ones come to an awareness of their addiction to the flesh.

You are one of these.

But, when such return to this cycle, they also expose their fields to that very same veil which confuses all reincarnating fields. And they often become torn between what they sense in their field as their true nature and purpose, and what they experience as their physical limitations. As I said earlier, there is the experience we have in this life via the brain, and there is the experience we have via our field. The brain is restricted to the physical methods of interacting with the sensory organs of the physical body. the field is not. The field nears the countless memories and experiences gathered from eons of existing and evolving through the lower forms. And when certain exposures trigger those parts of the field, that field becomes aware of certain aspects of existence that the physical form and its many brothers and sisters may not be aware of. And with some of 'US', that process of balancing between the physical restrictions and the limitless bounds of our fields, can actually tear us apart and cause great distortion in our vibrations.

You are like the Knight in shining armor returning to offer love to anyone that will receive it, to deny the Dark Ones their selfish satisfactions. But you are a Knight with amnesia, knowing what you must do, feeling what you must do, and yet being torn between the field which you are in reality, and the physical identity of Chester.

This is not bipolar disorder. This is the cost of reincarnating into this cycle of darkness once again.

I bow to you my friend and to your great sacrifice. May we find some success in our efforts. We are 'Brothers of Light'. Where Light shines, darkness recedes. This is the glory of Avalon.

"Listen, O man, and heed ye this wisdom;
even as darkness, so is the LIGHT.

When darkness is banished and all Veils are rended,
out there shall flash from the darkness, the LIGHT.

Even as exist among men the DARK BROTHERS,
so there exists the BROTHERS OF LIGHT.
Antagonists they of the BROTHERS OF DARKNESS,
seeking to free men from the night.
Powers have they, mighty and potent.
Knowing the LAW, the planets obey.
Work they ever in harmony and order,
freeing the man-soul from its bondage of night.

Secret and hidden, walk they also.
Known not are they to the children of men.
Ever have THEY fought the DARK BROTHERS,
conquered and conquering time without end.
Yet always LIGHT shall in the end be master,
driving away the darkness of night.

Holy Freaking WoW, Sin'Ar... not often a post brings me to uncontrollable tears.

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Houman, this is getting all too real. There are many leads in the video. Other than that, I'm speechless.

Weird Science, Mind Manipulation and James Eagan Holmes

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NVOZ0APmQdM

Hi All,

This is an epic thread and I haven't yet read through it in its entirety (intend to at some point). Every now and then during the past year I've read a few posts here and there, so I hope this inquiry is appropriate based on my understanding of what this thread is about.

My eight-year-old son is having reoccurring nightmares about being eaten by a giant snake. Once consumed, little snakes (presumably who were also consumed by the giant snake) lick and nibble on him while he's "in the snake's belly," to use his words. This is where it gets very interesting (and concerning) for me; in these dreams he says a menacing and "creepy eagle-man" (human body, with human hands, eagle head) is sitting in a tree watching (even supervising/overseeing?) while the snake is eating him.

I'm at a loss to try to comfort him with this one. Any insights from those of you who understand this symbolism or whatever it is he's experiencing?

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Posted by T Smith

Hi All,

This is an epic thread and I haven't yet read through it in its entirety (intend to at some point). Every now and then during the past year I've read a few posts here and there, so I hope this inquiry is appropriate based on my understanding of what this thread is about.

My eight-year-old son is having reoccurring nightmares about being eaten by a giant snake. Once consumed, little snakes (presumably who were also consumed by the giant snake) lick and nibble on him while he's "in the snake's belly," to use his words. This is where it gets very interesting (and concerning) for me; in these dreams he says a menacing and "creepy eagle-man" (human body, with human hands, eagle head) is sitting in a tree watching (even supervising/overseeing?) while the snake is eating him.

I'm at a loss to try to comfort him with this one. Any insights from those of you who understand this symbolism or whatever it is he's experiencing?

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See http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/mil...ians/horus-ra/
Maarit reported, in her interview with E. Lorgen, that her 5 year old son had a very similar experience (see below).

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Maarit’s 5-year-old son has recalled alien abduction experiences and vivid dreams relating to the same themes with Horus-Ra. Both mother and son have shared dreams on the same nights, confirming that it is more than a simple dream when they can confirm each others memories, especially if the son has no way of even hearing about it. Maarit explained,

“My son said there was a big snake that came to eat him. The snake had a huge belly. Inside the snake were smaller snakes that licked his body while he was inside the stomach of this Horus-Ra snake form. He showed me the movements of the little snakes with his tongue and tried to lick my arm. I told him that must have been a scary experience for him. We hugged and kissed and now he has not mentioned that experience again. During that episode he also said that in his dreams he sees a man hawk or birdman. The birdman sits in a tree, looks at him and decides to eat him. Then he cuts my son into little pieces and eats him. He has mentioned the birdman several times. Sometimes he says the birdman cries because he would not want to consume him. I am not sure what this means, but maybe it is to form psychological bonding or sympathy for the birdman. After this, I have not seen any marks on his body, however.”

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Posted by T Smith

Hi All,

This is an epic thread and I haven't yet read through it in its entirety (intend to at some point). Every now and then during the past year I've read a few posts here and there, so I hope this inquiry is appropriate based on my understanding of what this thread is about.

My eight-year-old son is having reoccurring nightmares about being eaten by a giant snake. Once consumed, little snakes (presumably who were also consumed by the giant snake) lick and nibble on him while he's "in the snake's belly," to use his words. This is where it gets very interesting (and concerning) for me; in these dreams he says a menacing and "creepy eagle-man" (human body, with human hands, eagle head) is sitting in a tree watching (even supervising/overseeing?) while the snake is eating him.

I'm at a loss to try to comfort him with this one. Any insights from those of you who understand this symbolism or whatever it is he's experiencing?

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See http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/mil...ians/horus-ra/
Maarit reported, in her interview with E. Lorgen, that her 5 year old son had a very similar experience (see below).

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Maarit’s 5-year-old son has recalled alien abduction experiences and vivid dreams relating to the same themes with Horus-Ra. Both mother and son have shared dreams on the same nights, confirming that it is more than a simple dream when they can confirm each others memories, especially if the son has no way of even hearing about it. Maarit explained,

“My son said there was a big snake that came to eat him. The snake had a huge belly. Inside the snake were smaller snakes that licked his body while he was inside the stomach of this Horus-Ra snake form. He showed me the movements of the little snakes with his tongue and tried to lick my arm. I told him that must have been a scary experience for him. We hugged and kissed and now he has not mentioned that experience again. During that episode he also said that in his dreams he sees a man hawk or birdman. The birdman sits in a tree, looks at him and decides to eat him. Then he cuts my son into little pieces and eats him. He has mentioned the birdman several times. Sometimes he says the birdman cries because he would not want to consume him. I am not sure what this means, but maybe it is to form psychological bonding or sympathy for the birdman. After this, I have not seen any marks on his body, however.”

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Wow. That's a little too "coincidental" for me. That sounds like the exact same dream (abduction?)...

There are no marks on his body as far as I know, but he did fall ill the next day -- just a nasty cold and a slight fever. I assume the two are not related.

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Wow. That's a little too "coincidental" for me. That sounds like the exact same dream (abduction?)...

There are no marks on his body as far as I know, but he did fall ill the next day -- just a nasty cold and a slight fever. I assume the two are not related.

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According to Maarit's follow-up interview Dr Malanga's FMS technique proved helpful for her son, see
http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/ali...-after-simbad/

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In one experience previously noted in an earlier interview I felt huge snakes licking my energy body. This was my own minds way of symbolizing how I experienced the parasitic entity’s activity within me. My son also described how a huge snake ate him and in the belly of this creature were more similar smaller snakes licking him in similar ways. Even if this sounds disturbing and scary, we should not be afraid to face the reality. Especially when there are powerful tools for liberation. (EL-other abductees in FMS sessions have described similar snake like parasites within their energy body as the snake-serpent-worm symbolic form)...

My husband was sleeping on the sofa. I saw the mist coming again and woke up my husband telling him that our son is in danger. We all woke up at the same time. Before that incident, during the evening, we actually heard an odd kind of bird sound in our house. So Horus-RA was pretty anxious at that time. (EL- Horus-Ra often appears as a bird, hawk, chicken like figure) I even saw the empty space of my AAM (active alien memory with my inner mind’s eye. It was like a clear white band of destructed information, which could not be read. (EL-In this case the AAM became a Passive Alien Memory PAM)

Right after my SIMBAD I did the same procedure for my husband. He had the Reptilian/RA connection too. I did an adjusted SIMBAD to my son. It was pretty easy because of his flexible mind and conscious experiences of these creatures he was afraid of. His soul was so determined to get rid of them, and he has been free ever since. Now together we speak openly about the light of the soul and he acts as if it is the most natural thing in a life. Which it is.

After these SIMBADs I connected to the souls of my son and husband every single night for about a month. I checked their brains, bodies, implants etc. with my inner mind’s eyesight. I did this as a precaution; to make sure aliens didn’t put things back into us. SIMBAD was an important event for my husband. He had been aware of this interference naturally, but the simulation helped his own emotional and psychological growth. We began to get in touch with our true emotional aspects more deeply. Even the process of clearing oneself can be emotionally hard, I’m happy for this opportunity of personal growth.

My son is a delight. He is just enjoying himself and his life. I’m relieved to see that he can make his own future without being manipulated like we had been. He is able to make his own decisions. This was the best gift for him and I’m grateful for that...



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Wow. That's a little too "coincidental" for me. That sounds like the exact same dream (abduction?)...

There are no marks on his body as far as I know, but he did fall ill the next day -- just a nasty cold and a slight fever. I assume the two are not related.

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According to Maarit's follow-up interview Dr Malanga's FMS technique proved helpful for her son, see
http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/ali...-after-simbad/

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In one experience previously noted in an earlier interview I felt huge snakes licking my energy body. This was my own minds way of symbolizing how I experienced the parasitic entity’s activity within me. My son also described how a huge snake ate him and in the belly of this creature were more similar smaller snakes licking him in similar ways. Even if this sounds disturbing and scary, we should not be afraid to face the reality. Especially when there are powerful tools for liberation. (EL-other abductees in FMS sessions have described similar snake like parasites within their energy body as the snake-serpent-worm symbolic form)...

My husband was sleeping on the sofa. I saw the mist coming again and woke up my husband telling him that our son is in danger. We all woke up at the same time. Before that incident, during the evening, we actually heard an odd kind of bird sound in our house. So Horus-RA was pretty anxious at that time. (EL- Horus-Ra often appears as a bird, hawk, chicken like figure) I even saw the empty space of my AAM (active alien memory with my inner mind’s eye. It was like a clear white band of destructed information, which could not be read. (EL-In this case the AAM became a Passive Alien Memory PAM)

Right after my SIMBAD I did the same procedure for my husband. He had the Reptilian/RA connection too. I did an adjusted SIMBAD to my son. It was pretty easy because of his flexible mind and conscious experiences of these creatures he was afraid of. His soul was so determined to get rid of them, and he has been free ever since. Now together we speak openly about the light of the soul and he acts as if it is the most natural thing in a life. Which it is.

After these SIMBADs I connected to the souls of my son and husband every single night for about a month. I checked their brains, bodies, implants etc. with my inner mind’s eyesight. I did this as a precaution; to make sure aliens didn’t put things back into us. SIMBAD was an important event for my husband. He had been aware of this interference naturally, but the simulation helped his own emotional and psychological growth. We began to get in touch with our true emotional aspects more deeply. Even the process of clearing oneself can be emotionally hard, I’m happy for this opportunity of personal growth.

My son is a delight. He is just enjoying himself and his life. I’m relieved to see that he can make his own future without being manipulated like we had been. He is able to make his own decisions. This was the best gift for him and I’m grateful for that...



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Thank you Houman for the links. It's a lot of info to go through, but at first glance it looks extremely helpful and informative.

Excellent post! That quote at the end is really interesting to me. Do you think that means that some aliens don't have 'spirits' or astral bodies and that is one of the reasons why they are experimenting on us?

I've always considered that an option as I believe in evolution wholeheartedly but I also believe that God is the only one that is able to 'breathe' a 'new' spirit into a body or create spirits, which is why aliens trying to manipulate our spirit makes some sense. I have a lot more research to do but thanks again for the great post and link :)

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Excellent post! That quote at the end is really interesting to me. Do you think that means that some aliens don't have 'spirits' or astral bodies and that is one of the reasons why they are experimenting on us?

I've always considered that an option as I believe in evolution wholeheartedly but I also believe that God is the only one that is able to 'breathe' a 'new' spirit into a body or create spirits, which is why aliens trying to manipulate our spirit makes some sense. I have a lot more research to do but thanks again for the great post and link :)

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According to Dr Malanga's research it is about "harvesting" (something that they do not possess/produce) rather than experimenting (like milking a cow, the cow being the soul here) .
Dr Turner, B. Bartholic, E. Lorgen and several other researchers reached similar conclusions based on abduction experiences, etc...

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We are 'Brothers of Light'. Where Light shines, darkness recedes. This is the glory of Avalon.

"Listen, O man, and heed ye this wisdom;
even as darkness, so is the LIGHT.

When darkness is banished and all Veils are rended,
out there shall flash from the darkness, the LIGHT.

Even as exist among men the DARK BROTHERS,
so there exists the BROTHERS OF LIGHT.
Antagonists they of the BROTHERS OF DARKNESS,
seeking to free men from the night.
Powers have they, mighty and potent.
Knowing the LAW, the planets obey.
Work they ever in harmony and order,
freeing the man-soul from its bondage of night.

Secret and hidden, walk they also.
Known not are they to the children of men.
Ever have THEY fought the DARK BROTHERS,
conquered and conquering time without end.
Yet always LIGHT shall in the end be master,
driving away the darkness of night.

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My experience is only my experience and thus may not apply to anyone else, but I have found personal relief from direct "archontic influence" by remaining outside of the matrix which has now become reasonably easy to do.

It appears these "souless" beings resort to any and all possibilities whenever "they" perceive they might lose a prisoner such as I have been. It appears that their last resort is to attack through those closest to you who are able to be compromised.

So, the point I am making is that the more I free myself, the more I experience direct attacks through those who are emotionally closest to me. Because of what I have learned on this thread (and forum), I have found how to rapidly and easily deflect these attacks. What I also (sadly) experience is the total falling apart of the other individual through which the attack is coming. For example, last summer, when the woman whose home I was living in (my ex-wife's father's wife) melted down, violently attacked me and ended up being taken to jail. Another example is when, a few days later, my son went on his gun totting rage run where fortunately he did not shoot anyone and for which he is still in jail today.

Just this past weekend, my mother, who I long ago learned to remain at arms length from became so incredibly condescending that my emotional field filled up with such venom it took several days for me to get back to a "stable state." I was able to achieve this because I shared about it (and considered much of the advice received) on this forum. I also spoke with some folks with whom I am close. Another storm through which I managed to stand steady.

The above poem from Shin'Ar (where I read "BROTHERS" to mean "BEINGS" - no gender, no race, no religion and even, not necessarily "human") has been read and absorbed many times over.

From one level, there is no us/them. On another level... the one which just about every living human being on earth at this time is anchored in... sadly, there is an "us" and clearly... a "them" - again I am stating all this as only my own experience and I do not imply I know anything nor that what I have described applies to anyone else.

But it is today - it is now that I am choosing a "level" and that level is where there are the "ensouled" and those who appear to either be "unensouled" or have at some level of their consciousness chosen to reject their soul as much as possible. In this case, "soul" represents a spirit being's deepest wish to be an expression of a grander, bigger picture and to be so harmoniously.

It seems that in my case I was a complete sellout in my early life and yet I somehow changed my mind about this. This likely means I was born as a member of the group who had rejected their soul. I somehow survived myself where at least I was able to chose, once again, to embrace my soul. It seems because I have had this experience, I have a unique quality shared by others, yes... but few compared to the masses. And that is that I know that "my spirit" was amongst the original "fallen" and that I have had the opportunity within one lifetime to discover this about myself and simply...

...change my mind.

This is why, now, and for the rest of this specific lifetime, I will spend every possible free moment doing anything I can to help any living spirit being that finds they are captive within the fallen state and wishes to experience redemption.

And I have no problem in making this commitment and doing so publicly as I am now in the very thread that did so much to assist me in redeeming my own soul.

And this requires my presence within this very matrix.

I am fully here, ready to rumble.

Well ches, that is indeed a noble cause. I do my best, when I can, which is rare.

To follow your idea through, the “attacks” can be way more blatant than you’ve experienced….or way more subtle. Or perhaps what I am thinking of is more “defense”, the matrix protecting itself.

Because I have myself with attachments, wrapped in contracts, connected to obligations, all tied up in endless seemingly unsatisfiable responsibilities, constantly preventing me doing much of the work.

Busy busy busy—the value of “needing to do something”, the absurdity we have bought in to that is “boredom”, the killing of imagination at an early age. Layers and layers of programming, buried under piles and piles of bullsh!t. Takes a lot of constitution to get anywhere…that, or tragedy and trauma—having nothing “better to do”.

Seems like if so many weren’t struggling to stay afloat of prevent rock bottom, we could get somewhere. Can’t even begin to tackle complex ideas when we got bills to pay, drama demanding our attention, kids to raise, family to support, friends in need….it never ends. No wonder the “enlightened” are usually hermits.

The Serenity Prayer is what I apply. Three simple guidelines. Set the goal to shed as much attachments as possible allows one the wiggle room to not only see the forest for the trees, but to set out on the course that leads to the heart of the forest. Along the way, be aware that the dark one(s) can enter every (vulnerable) natural form. I have found a direct correlation between one's progress at achieving true sovereignty of one's actual self ("that" which you are... behind the "self" behind all related to a "self") and the attention one draws from the darkest side of darkness.

If one sees levels, then realize by taking this path, one places all their loved ones in "danger" as well.

From outside of the matrix though, one knows that to "believe" anyone could ever actually be "in danger" is an absolute illusion.

It all boils down to how important your sovereignty is to you. A true "catch-22."

Excerpts from -- Brain Zapping Electronic Mind Control -- by Jason Jeffrey ...

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The Controllers

I propose the hypothesis that there is a control system for human consciousness. I have not determined whether it is natural or spontaneous; whether it is explainable in terms of genetics, of social psychology, or of ordinary phenomena… I am led to this hypothesis by the fact that in every instance of the UFO phenomenon I have been able to study in depth I have found as many rational elements as I have absurd ones, and many that I could interpret as friendly and many that seemed hostile. No matter what approach I take, I can never explain more than half of the facts. – Jacques Vallee

Identifying these dark forces and their real purpose is extremely difficult and it would seem, highly dangerous. Have they been controlling humanity for thousands of years? Did some group or secret society call them up into our plane of reality?

Recall the ancient civilisation of Atlantis, along with many others – faint memories of previous ages that all ended in apocalyptic cataclysms. The Atlanteans are reputed to have reached great heights in the technological and spiritual realms, but then had increasing traffic with the ‘forces of evil’ and in so doing were overthrown and cast down into the sea. Occultists say that by allowing spirits of evil to enter our world-time-frame through the use of black magic, the Atlanteans initiated a planetary disaster that destroyed their continent.

Anthony Roberts and Geoff Gilbertson, in The Dark Gods, observe:

The over-riding reality of UFOs will be seen to manifest on an archetypal, psychic level, as an attempted ‘control syndrome’. This control syndrome tries to influence any civilisation that aspires to come to terms with the cosmological patterns and purpose, and must therefore by viewed with great caution by sentient beings. The ‘control’ appears to work through a careful programming of any belief-system while conforming to a definite pattern and moulding the physico-spiritual awareness of the recipient culture or species. The numerous phenomena manifest just outside any knowledge-framework of the receivers, and yet they seem to have ‘natural laws’ and formal interconnections of their own. These impinge on the reality consciousness of the various imbibers, rather like whiskey (or any drug) impinges on the neuro-circuits of human beings and drastically alters rational perspective. The UFO aspect of this control syndrome incorporates as many psychic, magical, mythological and paranormal components as it does the more overtly sociological and technological paradigms. It seems to be a very comprehensive control system indeed. If its true source is in the realms of the metaphysical… then the full cosmic connection becomes more readily apparent.

If the whole thing is a cosmic conspiracy of sorts, then all humanity have been pawns in the game of these ‘dark gods’ for millennia. It only follows that these same forces have directed human history.

Roberts and Gilbertson continue:

This holds that the course of recent (that is, the last few millennia) history has been secretly and ruthlessly controlled by small groups of self-appointed ‘elitists’ who are servants of evil and who seek to establish the rule of the Dark Gods in a hell-on-Earth over which they will preside…. If the UTs [Ultraterrestrials] are exerting a ‘control syndrome’ through manipulation of paranormal phenomena and the illusory UFOs, then their elitist disciples are the earthly agents who handle the social side of the great game.

The writer William Burroughs spent his whole life examining the human condition, concluding a mechanism of control exists in the universe blinding people to their true nature. In Mind War/The Adding Machine, Burroughs writes of the creation of a state of fear dominated by elitists who manipulate powerful psychic forces:

At the top [of the elitist state] would be a theocracy trained in psychic control techniques implemented by computerised electronic devices that would render opposition psychologically impossible. Entry to this privileged class would be permitted only to those whose dedication to the world state was absolute and unquestioning. In short, you don’t get in by merit or ability but by being an all around one hundred percent sh!t. Under this ruling elite of power addicts would consist of an anonymous service collective of functionaries, managers, and bureaucrats. And below them the slave workers. There would be no place for dissent or independent research. The troublesome artist would be eliminated or absorbed. The elite lives happily ever after, at the top of a control state that makes 1984 seem cozy and nostalgic.

The way out of this all-pervading control syndrome is to launch creative revolts against it. But first the individual must education him or herself to understand their own nature. Get in touch with one’s own inner space and eject all elements of ‘control’. Use creativity as a weapon.

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Source: http://www.whale.to/b/jeffery.html