WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

http://thesaker.is/the-secret-americ...a-great-again/

By Dmitry Orlov for the Saker Blog

It is generally a good idea to avoid ascribing nefarious intent to actions explained by mere stupidity. But this is a case where mere stupidity cannot possibly explain the long, steady procession of foreign policy errors spanning three decades, all of them specifically aimed at strengthening Russia. It is not possible to argue that a surplus of hubris, ignorance, greed and political opportunism and a deficit of competent foreign policy analysts can produce such a result, for that would be essentially the same as arguing that some monkeys armed with drills, mills and lathes can produce a Swiss watch. But the only alternative would be to claim that there is a network of Kremlin’s agents ensconced deep within the bowels of the American Deep State and that they are all working in concert to advance Russia’s interests while meticulously maintaining plausible deniability all the while and at all levels of the operation.

Ostensibly, the plan was to weaken and destroy Russia; but then, following the Soviet collapse, Russia was weakening and destroying itself very well all by itself, no intervention needed. What’s more, every US effort to weaken and destroy Russia has made it stronger; had there existed even a most rudimentary feedback mechanism, so vast a discrepancy between policy goals and policy results would have been detected and adjustments would have been made. Superficially, this may be explained by the nature of America’s sham-democracy, where each administration can blame its failures on mistakes made by the previous administration, but the Deep State remains in power throughout, and it would simply be forced to admit to itself that there is a problem with the plan to weaken and destroy Russia after a few cycles of this unfolding fiasco. The fact that it hasn’t detected any such problem brings us full circle, back to the suspicion that there are Putin’s agents toiling tirelessly deep within the Deep State.

But that’s pure conspiracy theory and we shouldn’t want to go anywhere near that. Suffice to say, there is at present no adequate explanation for what happened. After the Soviet collapse, very little was needed to speed along the collapse of Russia itself. But none of these steps have been taken, and the steps that were taken (with the ostensible goal of weakening and destroying Russia) have done the exact opposite. Why? Below are listed 10 of the most successful initiatives of what appear to be a US Deep State MRGA campaign. If you have an alternative explanation, I’d like to hear it.

1. If Russia were immediately accepted into the World Trade Organization (which it wanted to join) it would have been swamped with cheap imports, destroying all of Russian industry and agriculture. Russia would simply sell oil, gas, timber, diamonds and its other resources and buy whatever is needed. Instead, the US and other WTO members spent 18 years negotiating Russia’s entry into the organization. By the time it joined, in 2006, very little time remained before the financial collapse of 2008, after which time the WTO hasn’t been too much of a factor.

2. If Russia were immediately granted visa-free travel to the West (as it wanted) most working-age Russians would have readily diffused out of Russia, leaving behind a population of orphans and the elderly, much as has happened with contemporary Ukraine. After losing much of its productive population, Russia would not have posed any sort of economic or military threat. Instead, Russia was never granted visa-free travel and instead faced restrictions that have only increased over time. By now most Russians have internalized the idea that they are simply not wanted in the West and that they should seek their fortune back home.

3. After the Soviet collapse, Russia itself collapsed into a loose mosaic of regional centers. Many of them (Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Urals Republic, Chechnya) entertained notions of secession. Left untouched, Russia would have devolved into a loose confederation with no ability to formulate joint foreign policy. Instead, resources and mercenaries were pumped into Chechnya, turning it into an existential threat to Moscow’s authority and forcing it to become militarily assertive. The fact that Chechen volunteers are now fighting on the Russian side in the Ukraine underscores the failure of America’s Chechnya policy.

4. If, following the Soviet collapse, NATO simply recognized that the threat it was intended to counter no longer existed and either dissolved or simply became quiescent, Russia would never have thought it necessary to rearm itself. Indeed, Russia was happily cutting up its ships and missiles for scrap metal. Instead, NATO saw it fit to bomb Yugoslavia (for a made-up humanitarian reason) and then to relentlessly expand eastward. These actions have communicated most adequately the message that it wasn’t the USSR, and Communism, that the West opposed but Russia itself. And while, by the time the 1990s rolled around, not too many Russians were eager to fight and die for the greater glory of communism, rising to the defense of Motherland is an entirely different story.

5. If Russia’s near-abroad were simply left alone, Russia would never have considered venturing outside of its already vast and underpopulated territory. But then came a provocation: acting with US sanction, Georgian forces attacked Russian peacekeepers in South Osettia during the Beijing Olympics of 2008, forcing Russia to react. The fact that Russia could demilitarize Georgia in just a few days was a major confidence boost and taught it that NATO and NATO-trained forces are soft and squishy and not much of a problem. Russian territory expanded to include South Ossetia, with Abkhazia thrown in as an added bonus, paving the way for further territorial expansion (Crimea, Donbass, Kherson… Nikolaev, Odessa…).

6. If the US left alone Syria, a close Russian ally for close to a century, Russia would not have expanded into the Mediterranean region. As it is, Syrian government invited Russia to help it turn the tide in its war against US-supported ISIS and Russia destroyed ISIS with the help of a rather small contingent of air-and-space forces at just one airbase. The action in Syria has showcased modern Russian weapons systems and has led to a 20-year backlog in weapons orders from around the world. What’s more, Russia’s allies around the world know that if the US/NATO, or their mercenaries, give them any trouble, all they have to do is whistle and Moscow will rush in with their precision bombs and neatly stack the corpses.

7. After the 2014 Kiev putsch and the re-accession of Crimea, US/Western sanctions were immensely helpful in helping jump-start a large-scale program of import replacement, rejuvenating both Russian industry and agriculture. Russia is now largely self-sufficient in food and a major food exporter. Its position as the world’s main breadbasket will be further improved by the addition of Eastern and Southern Ukrainian “black earth” regions of uniquely fertile land. The sanctions were accompanied by speculative attacks on the ruble which drove its value down from 30 to the dollar to 60 (where it stands today) making Russian products much more competitive internationally and stimulating foreign trade.

8. The endless hollow threats to block Russia from using the SWIFT interbank messaging system have prompted Russia to create its own payment system, which is now integrated with China’s. The arrest of the $300 billion Russian sovereign wealth fund that was held on deposit in Western banks, along with freezing the funds of Russian oligarchs, have taught Russians not to trust Western banks and to avoid keeping their money abroad. All of these hostile actions in the finance space have paved the way for a rather measured response that has instantly made the ruble the most valuable and stable currency on the planet, leaving the dollar and the euro vulnerable to hyperinflation.

9. The eight-year war waged by the Ukrainian army, with unquestioning US/NATO support, against the Russian civilian population in the Donbass, has produced a very specific understanding throughout Russia’s population: that the West wants to exterminate it. When the Ukrainians then declared that they want to build nuclear bombs, and when it was discovered that Pentagons bioweapons labs in the Ukraine were working on creating pathogens specifically targeting Russians, and when, finally, it became clear that it was not just the Ukrainians but all of NATO was behind it, that the Ukrainians-plus-NATO were poised to launch an all-out attack, Russia pre-empted it by launching its own Special Operation. Cynical as this may seem, the previous eight-year shelling of buildings full of old people, women and children, shown live on Russia’s nightly news but steadfastly ignored in the West, was instrumental in producing approval ratings for the Special Operation that has reached 76%, with similar ratings for Putin, his government and even many of the regional governments. Now that, Western arms shipments notwithstanding, the Ukrainian military is being whittled away at a rate that will finish it off in approximately 20 days (the calculated “Day Z”), Russia is poised to emerge as an outright victor in World War III which, just like the Cold War, which it had lost, was barely even fought. This will restore Russia’s military’s mystique of being perpetually victorious.

10. Finally, Russia should be grateful for the lavish funds provided over the years by the US and the collective West in support of free speech and freedom of the press in Russia, by which is meant pro-Western propaganda. First, it did help liberate Russia’s media space, to a point that now Russia is much more open to freedom of self-expression than any of the European countries or the US, with barely a hint of corporate censorship or cancel culture that are rampant in the West. Second, so ham-handed and overbearingly dumb was the Western propaganda onslaught that the Russians, after processing it for some years, now openly laugh at the pro-Western narrative, and opinion research agencies report Russian support for pro-Western policies only in trace amounts. The process was helped by the sheer ludicrousness of various developments in the West: cancel culture, MeToo, LGBT, child sex change operations, promotion of pedophilia and all the rest, which produced a wave of revulsion. This 180º reversal, from overwhelmingly pro-Western opinions of the early 1990s to the current situation, are a crowning achievement of the entire three-decade-long Deep State campaign to Make Russia Great Again (MRGA).

I do not wish to argue that the existence of MRGA within the US Deep State is demonstrably, provably true. But I urge you to follow Arthur Conan Doyle’s famous dictum that “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth” and let me know what you come up with.

From Scott Ritter,
he explains quite clearly what he means by game changer and that game changer doesn’t mean that Ukraine is going to win it really is about the strategic military assessment.
Point to note is that Poland has sent two military divisions with modern arms to help Ukraine.
He also says that the objectives of phase 1 of the Russian special military operation have not been accomplished and he gives the reason for each .
At the start no one knew that there was going to be a Phase 2 as well.

https://twitter.com/Angelo4justice3/...82104889323520

https://twitter.com/Angelo4justice3/...82104889323520

This is disturbing because it will mean commanders can kill their own soldiers who want to surrender.

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/statu...47819716677636

This reports the same as above but it’s in French

https://twitter.com/stratpol_site/st...98136995741697

https://twitter.com/Angelo4justice3/...35418481909760

The most recent sitrep from Brian Berletic
https://twitter.com/Angelo4justice3/...13726808338432

https://twitter.com/Angelo4justice3/...55288514048000

https://twitter.com/PelmeniPusha/sta...36740685987841

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...66840785690627

https://twitter.com/Levi_godman/stat...32553449492480

Is this true?
https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1529100630081552384

https://twitter.com/MoscowTimes/stat...33069713670144

Major General Kanamat Botashev has become the highest-ranking Russian pilot to be killed in the skies over Ukraine, the BBC’s Russian service reported Tuesday.

The 63-year-old retired general had been flying a Su-25 fighter jet over the Luhansk region on Sunday when the aircraft was targeted by a Stinger shoulder-fired missile system, the BBC reported, citing three of Botashev’s former subordinates who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The pilot did not have time to eject from his aircraft and died.

According to the BBC’s sources, the Su-25 had been on a mission to strike at Ukrainian positions around the town of Popasna, which was recently captured by Russian forces.

The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine said Sunday that its air force shot down a Russian Su-25 aircraft over the Luhansk region.


https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/...russian-a77788

Orban, Hungary, has declared a state of emergency

https://twitter.com/AnonOpsSE/status...55565439664133

https://twitter.com/Levi_godman/stat...69717268779009

https://twitter.com/Levi_godman/stat...69721089789954

https://twitter.com/Levi_godman/stat...37447904370689

https://twitter.com/Levi_godman/stat...37450324484097

https://twitter.com/Levi_godman/stat...82437363826692

About pmc Wagner

https://twitter.com/Levi_godman/stat...82271976435712

https://twitter.com/Hawkeye1745/stat...67637195935745

May 19
https://twitter.com/PelmeniPusha/sta...37123023835136

https://twitter.com/cpimentel986/sta...33872589439014

https://twitter.com/cpimentel986/sta...34080660471844

https://twitter.com/cpimentel986/sta...34349293060104

https://twitter.com/cpimentel986/sta...35029525282819

https://twitter.com/cpimentel986/sta...35967010947098

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Has Russia Already Won? Is it “Game Over” for the Rockefeller Empire?

https://healthimpactnews.com/2022/ha...feller-empire/

must read: good behind the scene glimpse into high global politics

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It is. Probably too long to entirely cross-post, but, you get a look at Putin undermining personal things of the Rothschilds and Rockefellers from the early days. It even takes a minor swipe at forces of Satan. But mostly it gives a picture of how money and companies try to get their hands on everything, starting revolutions and all the rest since the governments are either basically the agents of private capital, or, will be replaced by someone who is.

If you mull over this, it is hard to agree that Putin must be doing WEF's bidding. That view seems to be conjecture from taking things out of context, such as the simple fact he attended a program. I am highly trained by both a Jew and a Jesuit. Doesn't mean I have anything to do with certain plots from some of their leadership. Without saying anything is perfect, if one just looks at the significant trends and changes shown in the article, it's pretty impressive. It resembles how in the 1930s, you could build a fascist war machine in about five years out of a ruined economy, except it took a lot longer, perhaps because it is not fascism.


Current remark:


A not-so-diplomatic message was sent to the West. “If you don’t want to talk to Lavrov, then you will have to deal with Shoigu” – the best one-liner in years.

Putin has declared today that he is “fed up” with the West: “And when international law and the UN Charter interfere with them, they declare all this obsolete and unnecessary. And when something corresponds to their interests, they immediately refer to the norms of international law, the UN Charter, and international humanitarian rules. I’m fed up of such manipulations”.

Suddenly Zelensky wants diplomacy and peace talks...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61535353

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ePaK783edIc

Interestingly enough, Zelensky's strong desire for peace came right around after the time of Henry "The-Rockefeller-Henchman-Klaus-Schwab-Mentor" Kissinger's talk at Davos 2022

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/...rld-right-now/

"...Asked about his perspective on the major issues facing the world today, Kissinger emphasized how the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine could reshape the world as we know it: "Parties should be brought to peace talks within the next two months..."

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Suddenly Zelensky wants diplomacy and peace talks...

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Interestingly enough, Zelensky's strong desire for peace came right around after the time of Henry "The-Rockefeller-Henchman-Klaus-Schwab-Mentor" Kissinger's talk at Davos 2022

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/...rld-right-now/

"...Asked about his perspective on the major issues facing the world today, Kissinger emphasized how the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine could reshape the world as we know it: "Parties should be brought to peace talks within the next two months..."

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Here is a link to a ZeroHedge article:
'Blue-Checks' Furious After Henry Kissinger Says Ukraine Should Cede Territory For Peace With Russia

BY TYLER DURDEN
TUESDAY, MAY 24, 2022 - 04:11 PM
Veteran US statesman Henry Kissinger has urged the West to stop trying to inflict a crushing defeat on Russian forces in Ukraine, warning that it would have disastrous consequences for the long term stability of Europe.

“I hope the Ukrainians will match the heroism they have shown with wisdom,” Kissinger warned an audience at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, adding with his famous sense of realpolitik that the proper role for the country is to be a neutral buffer state rather than the frontier of Europe.

As The Telegraph's Ambrose Evans-Pritchard reports, Kissinger's comments came amid growing signs that the Western coalition against Vladimir Putin is fraying badly as the food and energy crisis deepens, and that sanctions may have reached their limits.

The former US secretary of state and architect of the Cold War rapprochement between the US and China told the gathering of elites that it would be fatal for the West to get swept up in the mood of the moment and forget the proper place of Russia in the European balance of power.

“Negotiations need to begin in the next two months before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome.

Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante.

Pursuing the war beyond that point would not be about the freedom of Ukraine, but a new war against Russia itself,” he said.

The architect of the détente with China under the Nixon administration suggested that 'status quo' ante means "how things were before," implying that Ukraine should accept a peace deal to restore the situation on February 24, where Russia formally controlled the Crimea peninsula and informally controlled part of the Donetsk region in east Ukraine.

The 98-year-old statesman is making no friends among the blue-check-mark brigade who seem to see only one path for humanity... and it ends in a mushroom cloud...

However, one 'blue-check' appears to comprehend what Kissinger is saying - end this escalation now before it ends badly for all of us...

Kissinger appeared at a Financial Times conference over the weekend warning that "we are now living in a totally new era..."

The key exchange, expanding on his most recent comments regarding the West and Russia, was as follows:

Financial Times: The Biden administration is framing its grand geopolitical challenge as being democracy versus autocracy. I’m picking up an implicit hint that it's the wrong framing?

Henry Kissinger: We have to be conscious of the differences of ideology and of interpretation that exists. We should use this consciousness to apply it in our own analysis of the importance of issues as they arise, rather than make it the principal issue of confrontation, unless we are prepared to make regime change the principal goal of our policy. I think given the evolution of technology, and the enormous destructiveness of weapons that now exist, [seeking regime change] may be imposed on us by the hostility of others, but we should avoid generating it with our own attitudes.

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We are now [faced] with technologies where the rapidity of exchange, the subtlety of the inventions, can produce levels of catastrophe that were not even imaginable.

But there’s almost no discussion internationally about what would happen if the weapons actually became used.

My appeal in general, on whatever side you are, is to understand that we are now living in a totally new era, and we have gotten away with neglecting that aspect.

Food for thought from someone who's been 'in the room'.

This is a very good video produced by a Russian living in Russia, telling about its history
for the past 30 odd years from his perspective.
Well worth the 40 minutes viewing.

RIP RUSSIA | 1991-2022 Russia's History Through My Eyes

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Also check this very odd thing

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/4335

See that gun? How did that made it to the front line? If the people at Azovstal were some of the best, how come someone carried that old beaten up rifle? That looks like one of those 40 year old rifles you use to train cadets on how to run with a heavy backpack and that constantly gets thrown into the ground and gets all beaten up over the years.

That's not a rifle you take to battle at all, unless you don't have anything better? So how could someone carry that into battle to the frontline? Weren't the US and allies + Ukraine saying that the Ukraine army was up to NATO standards and better equipment than most countries in Europe all that stuff? Really?

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Thanks, and that's interesting. Yes, probably not a lightweight precision weapon any more! :) And the ammunition it needs would be all different.

My guess is that it's a keepsake [Russian = подарок на память], something he had with him for "sentimental" value. It might have belonged to his grandfather, maybe, 80 years earlier.

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Because of it being an AK-74, it gives us a range of deployment from around 1976 and forward, so in a realistic way it's probably from the 80's or early 90's

But now i have thought about it and there is a chance this rifle actually went through battle, and possibly got destroyed in a missile hit or other kind of massive explosion, which would make it look like that :)

So it may actually carry sentimental value, i just did not know that soldiers in Ukraine may be able to carry old rifles like that without the safety enforcing rules and all that stuff. My first thought was, why does it have a magazine on it? IF that's a keepsake then why put a magazine on it, but i don't know, maybe it was also the original one and it's part of the keepsake

I may have been wrong on my assumption there, and now that i think about it, i do have several AK-47 and AK-74, some very old, which if lost would cause me great griefs :) As they do hold a lot of sentimental value for me :)

Still, this is something Ukrainian soldiers are posting more often since weeks ago, and this says a lot about what equipment they have and also why i thought "how can this be happening?", specially when we see all that news about lots of arms and money being sent day by day, so still question remains, where is it? Where is all that money and guns+equipment? Surely not in the front line where these guys are?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=pa_0_bGRwQw

Unless they are purposely lying to get more pity and more contributions from the "international community"? A good PR campaign maybe

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Posted by DaveToo

This is a very good video produced by a Russian living in Russia, telling about its history
for the past 30 odd years from his perspective.
Well worth the 40 minutes viewing.

RIP RUSSIA | 1991-2022 Russia's History Through My Eyes

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"How supportive Russian people were of this 'new country'" lol

He was naive and much more than that, and ate up all the western propaganda. I know people like him, they wanted Russia to be "American" like, just like in Mexico people are disgusted by expressions of indigenous people and even say so online, that they are ashamed indigenous people are still around and are not 'presentable' to the outside world

"It was El Dorado for everyone who knew where to look"... Translation: The New Russians are the oligarchs the west speak about so much :P Why not say so directly? The Land of Opportunity and so on, a dog eat dog world is what that was, in the end

He clearly wasn't part of the "New Russians" lmao! Maybe he feels betrayed since he did not get any of the "Russian gold" :ROFL:

He went to study in the US, no really! That explains a lot "My life was changed by that experience"

I have friends like that, they complain constantly about this and that, instead of trying to fix or make the country better without causing it to lose its identity and culture. No, instead, they want everyone to drop it all and become a culture slave of the US culture, it's always the same time, weak minded people thinking it's always greener on the other side, no attempt to make it greener here, but instead let's just drop it all to the trash and play pretend that this is America

So i suppose all US citizens who go live in Mexico must go back to the US and try to change it so that it becomes Mexican in all ways, and then complain a lot about how things are not the same and say "RIP the US"

That's how idiotic that is, these are weak minded people, he was never proud of his country, or history or culture

This is an uneducated person, easy to manipulate, easy to betray his culture in exchange for a shiny piece of glass that looks beautiful but breaks easily 3 days later, and which you exchanged for real gold that doesn't show your face when you look at it

That's how dumb that situation is

Instead of "here's a new chance to make this country better" we see "this is not America and i hate it, it's dead for me". He talks about Russian government taking more control over the years, and yet does not realize how things truly work in the west he admires so much lol

For that ideology i can only say, as great Jiggy from Paranormal Hood used to say: "You are an Idiot!"

There is a separation between people who make things happen and people who complain that they could not bother to make things happen but still wanted them to somehow happen


He wanted "Russia, United States Of America", instead he got "Russia" only, and he just waited years hoping someone else would make it happen somehow? :thumbsdown:

He talks about the 'stepping stones' and yet what did he do about it? Sit and grow fat while waiting for magic to happen and fix it all? I often wonder how these people get to be old at all

It reminded me of this ridiculous fake man, which is actually a loser who cares more about his stupid youtube channel than the lives of thousands of people in Donbass

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dRoAXbOQhDI

He's also one of those who complain about everything, while doing nothing about anything at all but to sit there expecting someone else to do the hard work. Then he also dodged the military draft because he was scared he would lose his stupid channel, and he also ran away as soon as war started lol, but he talks with that ridiculous 'manly' voice, while being a lame coward :P

"It feels like the country that I love and grew up in almost doesn't exist anymore" he said.. See? There's some common ground there with the guy in your post and this useless man child

Here's the "i managed to avoid the military draft" videos, what an loser

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=R8RtOybmL_I

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Rj1gH1ErU44

And here he is complaining about social media apps while people die by the thousands in Donbass. He's totally an exceptional fool and very adecuate for the American Social Media Life Style, no really!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tTWwIgVH-Tc

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From Jiggy, whatever he is right now:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xy2AUq3V8hc

:ROFL::heart2::muscle:

To end this rant:

If you are not happy or proud of your country, then change it, do something, go out, stop complaining like an idiot and actually go out and do something about it. Or shut up or go away in silence and stop talking about it

Do the walk, not the talk, unlike this moron above, the "ohhh i can't have youtube anymore, i'm moving to another country, Russia bad" ugly, lame mustache, hilariously bad deep voice man child

/AngryRant

Is not like the idea or understanding that the Ukrainian army doesn't like Elensky is new, but this is just more proof that the army is truly turning against him now

These are not Azov, these are regular troops, by the way, as the Azov are just simply surrendering now, the regular troops find themselves used as cannon fodder to feed the war/money making machine, these people are just not up for it, so it seems

There was news several weeks ago, about a coup in Ukraine, now it makes more sense, simply the army is tired of feeding the west war machine with their corpses, as you can see

Little bit of humor lol



From comment on the post:
"I propose two currencies: rouble for friendly countries and the blyat for unfriendly ones."

:handshake:

I'm sorry lol, could not resist, as dumb as it is, i did laugh :silent::p:facepalm::bigsmile::sun: