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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28363394 (half way down page)Quote:
Russian experts quoted by the Kommersant newspaper (in Russian), have been detailing what the wreckage of an plane hit by different missiles should look like.
"If this was a Buk, we should expect to see holes in the fuselage, wings etc. But if it was an air-to-air missile, then we should expect elongated 'cuts' along the body of the plane, as opposed to 'holes'."
Now earlier in the thread someone said about a long cut along the fuselage which looked like someone took a cutter to it......have searched and can't find the post maybe in the other thread. Anyone>
Edit: There is a picture on this link which shows the cuts along the body.
scroll down can't seem to work out how to get picture here. :)
http://news.sky.com/story/1302864/pl...ong-298-killed
Was the shoot down an attempt to stop a biowarfare attack on the world?
Jeeeee-sus. I wish this theory (quoted below) didn’t make so much sense. It draws a lot of odd pieces together. Damn.
http://www.rense.com/general96/dutch.html
Keep in mind Jane Burgermeister’s valiant fight against the 2009 WHO-sponsored-vaccine-induced “H5N1 Pandemic”. She was right. (If she had been wrong, we’d now all be dead from that ugly pandemic – which never happened - right?)Quote:
By Yoichi Shimatsu http://www.rense.com/general96/dutch.html
In these still early hours following the mystery crash of MH17, one must dare to think the unthinkable. An investigator goes to where the evidence leads, and the evidence so far from the crash site indicates a hellish scenario beyond imagining.
Besides the nearly 300 passengers aboard the ill-fated Malaysian Airlines, the plane’s cargo bay was loaded with dozens of infected corpses drained of their blood and countless packets of possibly virus-contaminated blood serum, according to the local eyewitnesses, first-arrivers at the crash site in the Donetsk region along Ukraine-Russia borderlands.
The gruesome finding points irrefutably to Malthusian skulduggery at the highest levels of the World Health Organization (WHO) in sponsoring a covert biological warfare program against the population of Asia. A systematic investigation is now required to uncover the deadliest plot against humanity in modern history. The more predictable outcome, unfortunately, is likely to be a cover-up on an unprecedented scale to protect the globalist elite from scrutiny, legal prosecution and justice.
The blatant violation of international laws for transporting infectious agents indicates a criminal intent in their use at destination. IATA, the watchdog agency for air travel, strictly controls and registration rules in the conveyance of corpses and infectious substances due to the dangers of accidental spillage or deliberate biowarfare. The WHO also imposes tight reporting rules for physical transfer of materials between laboratories, and is therefore now caught in flagrante delicto violating its own rules.
The notable failure by the Israeli-controlled Amsterdam-Schiphol Airport customs clearance, in addition to the WHO and IATA, to warn emergency crews and investigators at the crash site of the epidemic danger proves that the gruesome cargo was transported illegally without registration. The UN and WHO are directly implicated in this covert transfer of biowarfare agents in the cargo hold, accompanying some 100 of their top virus researchers, staff members and NGO supporters in the passenger cabin.
Pity the first responder.
According to rebel commander Igor Girson, who goes by the nom de guerre Strelkov, as quoted by AP, reported that local villagers who rushed to the crash scene found “a significant number of the bodies weren't fresh.” The first-responders also said the corpses had been drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.
Could the cadavers have been air-freighted for simple anatomy classes? That is a freshman question. Paying air-cargo fees to send bodies to Asia is more of a financial loss than sending coals to Newcastle. There is no shortage of fresh John Does on ice from places like the Philippines. Drained of blood and reeking from decay, the corpses can be nothing other than carriers of an infectious disease.
Decomposed cadavers and tainted blood exposed to wind, soil and ground water pose a present and clear threat to public health for millions of people across Ukraine, western Russia and the countries of the Black Sea, including Moldova, Turkey and even as far as Greece. A regional warning needs to be issued, but none is forthcoming, not when the WHO is implicated while its executives, the hidden elitist sponsors of genocide, scramble for the cover of respectability. These reprobates nestled in the medical bureaucracy are far worse than ordinary war criminals.
A hair’s breadth from worst case.
In a worst-case scenario, and the facts thus far point to a hair’s breadth short of worst case, the MH17 crash on the Ukraine-Russian borderlands could have been the start of a real World War Z. Conversely the shoot-down could have been an act of twisted heroism in a desperate last-minute strike to prevent biological warfare on a global scale.
One question logically raised is whether the transport of infected corpses and tainted blood to host countries can be a standard feature of the UNAIDS conferences. Serving as a medical-science reporter with The University of Hong Kong press, I reported extensively on UNAIDS 2001 in that that city and visited the top research university laboratories. I can attest that bodies and blood samples were not obtained as part of the proceedings, and precautionary procedures for the sharing of tiny bits of samples were always followed to a tee.
The WHO was shipping its “zombie” passengers for a criminal purpose, very possibly genocide on a wide scale, perhaps continental. Blood-drained corpses are the stuff of horror movies, but this nightmare arose from one of the busiest airports of “civilized” Europe, and one controlled by ITCS, a security company linked from its inception to the Israeli Mossad.
Mad Scientists with renewed support from above
A reason for concern, early in this investigation, is the fact that The Netherlands, the origin of Flight MH17, is the center for the engineering of weaponized viruses under Ron Fouchier, the closest research associate of the notorious Japanese influenza expert Yoshihiro Kawaoka. The flu-research center at Eramus Medical University in Rotterdam is the sister-laboratory of Kawaoka’s Institute of Infectious Virus Research at the University of Wisconsin, Madison.
The deadly duo’s pseudo-scientific research includes the “perfection” of a Spanish flu virus that killed of 20 million victims worldwide in 1918-19. Kawaoka recently boasted that nothing can stop his newest variant of H5N1, the avian influenza virus. Fouchier’s fanatic disciples, meanwhile, have been weaponizing the H7N9 bird-flu virus that killed more than 40 people in China. (Weaponization involves three objectives, first, to hasten the ability of a virus to spread, that is, to be more contagious; second, to increase its lethality; and third, to develop an antidote available only to the chosen few.)
Kawaoka and Fouchier are not mad scientists working on the fringe, they are accredited researchers with powerful funding support. Two years agi, the twin labs received a massive boost in funding from unidentified sources funneled through department budgets despite vociferous objections from other scientists as to the unstoppable risks.
The patrons of the deadly research includes the chairman of the Eramus University trustee board, Anton Van Rossum, a former executive with Solvay, the Belgium chemical producer that illegally provided sarin-gas components to the Israeli biowarfare program aboard an El Al jetliner that crashed in Amsterdam. The El Al flight hit a crowded apartment block, soon after takeoff from Schiphol Airport, which also is the takeoff point for MH17.
Aboard that El Al flight was a shipment of an RNA-based bioweapon known as mycoplasm, which replicates in water (for example, inside the human lungs) and is suspected to have been used in the two Gulf Wars against Iraq. Bioweapons, Solvay, Israeli, Schiphol, ICTS and Boeing are the common denominators between 1992 El Al crash and the 2014 Malaysia Airlines disaster.
Preventative action at tragic cost
If the world can still believe in “heroes in white armor” or at least bad guys with a grain of common sense under their black hats, a Hollywood-type disaster script emerges from this real-life action flick. Before the zombie cargo escapes Europe to launch World War Z in Asia, top generals with NATO and the Russian command decide that the payload must be stopped at any cost. The passenger casualties tragic as they are, the loss of billions of innocent lives in an unstoppable global pandemic must be prevented.
Indeed, an independent technical analysis of the video clips from the crash site, by a retired CIA crash expert, confirms just such a scenario:
- the metal fuselage of the Boeing-777 shows no traces of deep and long scratch marks from the steel balls delivered in the warhead of a Buk ground-to-air missile;
- The starboard (right-wing) jet engine was badly damaged and caught fire, pointing to a hit by a smaller air-to-air missile launched from a fighter interceptor, flying at about the same altitude;
And
- the midsection was “blown outward and not inward,” indicating a bomb blast inside the cargo bay.
The expert observations, when assembled, shows that a NATO interceptor fired a heat-seeking missile at a jet engine, triggering a fire. The flames were expected to move up the fuel lines inside the wing to set fire to the plane and incinerate all contents, especially the infected corpses and blood packets.
The midair disinfection plan came undone when a bomb hidden inside the cargo bay by the Israelis, timed to explode at Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) to spread biowarfare agents after all the passengers debarked safely, instead heated up and burst midair. The bomb blast blew out the on-board fire before the cargo was torched. The plane plummeted to the ground with the biowarfare agents and corpses intact.
World’s military commanders dread biowarfare
President Vladimir Putin, out of character, did not react forcefully to the accusations of a Russian role in the shoot-down, indicating military commands of NATO and Russia are on the same page in their determination to stop the Israeli-inspired, WHO-backed bioweapons attack against the world population. The other question now, besides decontamination, is: How to track down and punish the perpetrators and planners who were not aboard MH17?
The Ukrainian side, which lacks any of the intelligence professionalism required for these sorts of code-red operations, bungled their version of events and clumsily imposed a communications blackout over the control tower at Kiev Airport. Preventing global genocide is not a task for Cub Scouts out to protect their petty national interests. Imperial powers are far more astute at the deadly game, which is why they are empires and mere nations.
The threat of World War Z is not over, not when Ukrainians and Russians are being exposed to the unleashed viruses that defy inoculation with vaccines. Trained biowarfare experts in safety suits should collect the evidence and torch the bodies in a mobile plasma incinerator. By the time the clean-up is finished, Eastern Ukraine could end up as uninhabited as the central Congo after WHO teams eliminated all potential carriers of ebola.
Evil never quits
The world’s population has practically zero awareness of the well-hidden strategists who plan and order annihilation of entire regions, as has been happening with the ebola campaign and AIDS in Central Africa, or the Factor VIII HIV-tainted blood propagation to the war-torn Balkans and Japan under the Clinton and Bush administrations. This summer another brazen biowarfare attack was within a razor’s edge of exterminating Malaysians and millions of other Asians.
War on a global scale is no longer fought in trenches, but waged in laboratories, airports, city centers, hospitals, senior homes and schools. It is not called total war, it is simply known as global policy. As a footnote, it should be noted that Professor Kawaoka is a graduate of Kobe University, and that port city is the traditional center for veterans of Unit 731, which unleashed plague and hanta virus against entire cities in World War II. The WHO is the successor to Unit 731, and so WWZ is upon us.
Yoichi Shimatsu is a science writer, who organized public health seminars during the SARS and avian influenza outbreaks in Hong Kong and Bangkok. He was the lead investigative journalist in the 1995 Tokyo subway gassing and subsequent terrorist threats against Japan’s nuclear reactors. His article on the Amsterdam crash of an El Al cargo jet loaded with bioweapons, sarin and war-grade plutonium follows this article.
Shimatsu’s theory is just twisted enough to make sense. Damn.
Regards,
Selene
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... and the eyewitness on the first video from Gardener's link:Quote:
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... mentioning multiple blasts/explosions before ground explosion.Quote:
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... all points to: no bloody BUK surface-air missile but sitting duck to jet fighters and air-to-air rockets!
Curious that a ready answer was provided before anyone asked any questions... "Oh, 't'was a mistake from the ground crew..."
Any wonder why Carlos' Twitter account disappeared?
Are you saying this guy might a NWO flunky?... there is something in that picture of him that I find disturbing, not someone I trust... just my first impression.Quote:
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Indeed. And I would be interested in knowing who, exactly, asked for it to be closed? A guilty conscience..?. Finger would point in an interesting direction, no? Research needed, readers and good friends here. Please post.Quote:
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Cheers,
Selene
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Posted by sigma6Are you saying this guy might a NWO flunky?... there is something in that picture of him that I find disturbing, not someone I trust... just my first impression.Quote:
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HOWEVER...
Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak’s step-grandmother killed on Flight MH17Quote:
I was meant to make a correction to the (Accusation-'above') when I saw this article in the paper...
July 20, 2014
THE tragedy of MH17 has hit the highest office in Malaysia with Prime Minister Najib Razak’s step-grandmother perishing on board the Malaysia Airlines passenger jet that crashed in Ukraine.
Hishammuddin Hussein, a cousin of Najib’s, said 83-year-old Siti Amirah was “on the flight”. Siti Amirah was also Hishammuddin’s step-grandmother.
“Pls pray 4 her,” he wrote on his Twitter feed above a photo of her in an Islamic headscarf.
The country’s defence minister’s tweet confirmed an earlier report in the Star newspaper that said Siti Amirah had embarked alone in Amsterdam on board flight MH17 en route to the Indonesian city of Jogjakarta.
She was scheduled to transit at Kuala Lumpur International Airport.
The Boeing 777 passenger jet carrying 298 people came down in flames late on Thursday in cornfields in separatist-controlled eastern Ukraine, with US officials saying it was shot down by a surface-to-air missile.
Siti Amirah, a native of Indonesia, was headed there to celebrate Eid al-Fitr, Islam’s biggest festival, at the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, the Star report quoted a family spokeswoman as saying.
Both Malaysia and Indonesia are Muslim-majority countries.
http://resources1.news.com.au/images...2eb5bc90d6.jpg
Personal tragedy ... Malaysia's Prime Minister Najib Razak addresses a press conference on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17. Pic: MANAN VATSYAYANA Source: AFP
“She was a very, very nice lady. A kind-hearted, beautiful woman. She was a homemaker who looked after my grandfather very well. We called her ‘ibu’ (mother),” the family spokeswoman told the newspaper.
She was once married to Mohammad Noah Omar, Najib’s maternal grandfather, as his second wife.
Najib, 60, is the son of Malaysia’s second prime minister Abdul Razak, while Hishammuddin is the son of the country’s third premier Hussein Onn.
The mothers of Hishammuddin and Najib are siblings.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...-1226994305758
PS - Unless he had no real affection for his step-grandmother and was Ok that she would be an innocent Victim in this tragedy, I stand ((CORRECTED)) and take back my accusation...:noidea: :sorry:
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Rationale Debate
"AN ACT OF TERROR: 'Evidence against Russia is now clear"
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...-1226994996286
(MSM) Headline:
MH17 Malaysia Airlines: Ukraine says it has proof Russian rebels behind plane tragedy
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/m...352318d38cf309
http://resources2.news.com.au/images...568c4ed36e.jpg
Protesters in Sydney yesterday demanded the Russian President Vladmir Putin not be allowed into Australia for the G20 meeting in November.
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Putin: Thorough investigation of Malaysian airliner tragedy in Ukraine required
July 18, 2014
http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/2a/6b/0...-russia.si.jpg
"The crash of a Malaysian Airlines plane in eastern Ukraine must be investigated thoroughly and objectively", Russian President Putin said in a statement. The tragedy underlines the urgent need for a peaceful resolution of the armed conflict in Ukraine.
Malaysian airliner crashes in E. Ukraine near Russian border, 298 people on board
Malaysia Airlines MH17 plane crash in Ukraine LIVE UPDATES
The majority of the passengers of the ill-fated flight, which was apparently shot down over the war zone in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, were from the Netherlands.Quote:
Putin’s statement came after he contacted Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte to express condolences over the deaths of his fellow citizens in the disaster.
Earlier the Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC), a Russia-based international body tasked with investigation of all civil aircraft incidents in most former Soviet republics, including Ukraine, called for the formation of an international investigative group under the aegis of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), a UN body, to investigate the incident.
The IAC said such a group should be handed over MH17 flight recorders, which are currently being recovered in Ukraine’s Donetsk Region.
So far two flight recorders from the plane have been reportedly recovered in the region currently controlled by the militia forces. Some militia officials said they intended to hand them over to Moscow because they didn’t trust Kiev to properly investigate the incident.
The probe into the loss of the Boeing-777 is bound to be a politically loaded one. There was no official confirmation that the plane was shot down rather than crashed from a different cause, but the parties involved are already trading blame for the tragedy.
Both the Ukrainian military and the militias fighting against Kiev denied shooting at the plane and stated that they had no capability to take down an aircraft flying 10,000 meters high.
http://rt.com/files/news/2a/6b/00/00/7.jpg
Some politicians and Western media are pointing fingers at Russia, alleging that it is responsible for the Malaysia Airlines plane’s loss. They claim Moscow could have provided a missile launcher, which the Ukrainian militia used to take down the plane.
Kiev in the past few days accused the Russian military of several direct attacks in its territory, including an airstrike, which militia reported as conducted by the Ukrainian military, and a downing of a Ukrainian military plane, which militia claimed was their doing. The Russian military called the accusations absurd.
Hours after the crash of the Boeing 777 was reported, Kiev published what it called intercepted communications between militia officers and their Russian handler to apparently discuss the take-down of a civilian aircraft by the militia. The militia labeled the recording “an amateurish fake.”
There were almost 300 people on board Malaysia Airlines flight 17, which was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, including 283 passengers and 15 crewmembers. In addition to Dutch travelers and Malaysian crew, there were Australians, Indonesians and citizens of several other countries. Nobody survived the crash.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BT_d5OvDkr4
http://rt.com/news/173744-putin-ukraine-plane-russia/
Methinks Ukraine doth protest toooo much in their relentless accusatory missiles toward Russia/Putin as the perpetrator of this downed plane .... so much so, it raises a lot of red flags that they themselves may have played a sig. role in that incident.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=USjmcEEzgIk
"Published on Jul 19, 2014
http://www.undergroundworldnews.com
The proof speaks for itself at this point!````'
This is from DAHBOO7.
Trying to figure out what really happened in a heavily propagandized event such as this is always difficult, as either all, or all but one, of the many diverse and conflicting reports are seriously wrong, often deliberately so.Quote:
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However, that said, the above Global Research report is the most plausible that I've read so far regarding the downing of MH17.
As I read the report, it claims that the Ukraine government in Kiev (but not the "Russian separatists") did have the Buk surface-to-air missile used in the shoot down, did force flight MH17 off course and into range of their missile batteries using a fighter escort, and did know about the downing almost the same time as when the air traffic controllers lost contact.
Moreover, either the Kiev government or the bastards controlling them (some combination of the Bush Crime Cabal and/or the World Zionists, the latter of whom invaded the Gaza strip hours later) did have good reason to "benefit" from a European commercial airliner being shot down over eastern ("separatist") Ukraine using Russian missiles. On the other hand, neither the Russians nor the "separatists" benefited from the shoot down, and neither had the means (control of Buk launchers in eastern Ukraine.)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZU1qob7UnsQ
"Published on Jul 18, 2014
Its always those whom benefit the most, That are guilty! At this point, All the evidence speaks for itself!"
From DAHBOO7
Let's not assume that there are not different factions in the Government of the People's Republic of China, and Russia, respectively. These governments are not monolithic. Some of the factions are linked to off world factions. Then again, the whole build up situation may be being contrived in order to divert attention away from a currency rebalancing situation that the IMF could be contemplating in the near future. .....magicians attempt to divert attention while indulging in a sleight of hand....
this video is the smoking gun!
....it tells you that you should never ever watch this guy's videos again.
he is either really unintelligent or deliberately distorting the truth to make it sensational. all he wants is to get more views for his videos because he gets paid for this. I personally think he is very smart and is using all the dirty triks into foolling people - he has 93000 subscribers :confused:
so... first, kenzo is a fashion firm and I searched for the tshirt online, you can easily find it
https://www.google.com/search?q=kenz...w=1097&bih=546
secondly, the thing about the osce investigators could get to the crash because the media can shows that he knows absolutely nothing about the ukraine conflict and actually any conflict in general.
next, the intact passports... the plane was hit by a radar homing missile, not a heat seaking missile. so the missile could have hit the plane anywhere, instead of the engines.
(the video of the crash shows that there is no smoke in the sky, smoke only appears when the part of the plane containing the fuel hits the ground.)
the plane probably broke into pieces before hitting the ground (debris are spread along 15 km) and you can clearly see that from the imediate crash site footage. there is the part of the crash site that caught fire on ground impact and some other parts of the plane that fell out of the sky were almost intact. so the passports could have either been inside hand-luggage from the area of the plane that broke off, either actually fell from the sky when the plane did break. there are reports of even bodies falling from the sky.
Also... he implies that the event is aimed against russia. So how come the pro-russian rebels that are in control of the area (the ones that found the passports and have been managing the crash site from the first moment) are trying to frame russia by planting passports?? the fact that they are taking them out of the back of a truck is absolute proof? isn't it possible that guys were combing the 15 km area finding different pieces of luggage and handing them over to their commander - and he showed them to the press from his truck? Nothing makes any sense in this video and I actually find it as an offense to his viewers' judgement.
Videos like this are really unproductive. Instead of discussing the real facts and trying to find out what trully happened he is only going to shy away any intelligent people from all alternative media.
From perfect passports to "coincidental" portents of doom from a flight "passenger" posted on Instagram, this reeks of a
"Wollywood" production.
.(My new name for these productions brought by the Washington/Hollywood.)
Sorry Zamoixe, I couldn't disagree more. How exactly do you propose that these pristine passports were collected from these dead and dismembered bodies In a muddy and flaming scene? Especially so quickly. These passports are bull****e of the highest order. More likely they confiscated passports from passengers before the flight, or fabricated them beforehand and moved them to the scene. The guy spreading them on the ground knows this IMHO. Who,is he? I would guess that he's Ukraine military and with the help of the cabal they are involved in this crime.
Sorry to disagree, hope I won't offend you. The ukraine military hasn't set foot in that area for months. Did you actually know anything about the conflict before this crash?
Here are photos of the crash site:
You can see the part of the site where the engine (and fuel) fell caught fire.
And you can also see huge pieces of fuselage intact.
Also intact luggage on the ground
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Apparently not, just think about it logistically, 295 passengers, 80 kids, how would you even arranged to have 100 AIDs researchers book the other 100 seats?... to date there is 1 AID researcher of note. I don't think WHO was on this plane was a factor. It was more about just crash landing a plane load of innocents on Russia's doorstep in order to create a MEDIA and LOGISTICAL nightmare for Russia and Eastern Ukraine by a desperate Cabal and a desperately losing Neo Nazi backed Ukrainian govt, that won't get any money unless they kill their brothers. That was clearly laid out in IMF deal.Quote:
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The ONE Tool that the Cabal has in spades is the Total MEDIA control to spin any story any way they want and a planet of fools waiting to swallow it.