Integrity

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Posted by K626

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Posted by Lord Sidious

I feel like putting my head through the nearest wall.
When will all this end?
How much is enough?
What is it that we all want to achieve?
Remember, that if we engage in a ****fight, we all get covered in it.
My heart is heavy with seeing people I care about being asked to leave and the others throwing crap around like a bunch of chimpanzees at the zoo.
I hoped we were better than this.
And we are going to heal the world?
We need to heal US first.
I invite and implore those of you who can heal to turn your abilities on to all of those that are casualties in this.........stupidity.
This is like one of those wars that go on so long no one remembers the why.

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This is indeed one of the saddest threads I have seen in my 4 years on Camelot/Avalon.

Peace and love to all the posters in here.

K

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Visitors must think we are kindergarden fools.IMHO

Integrity?
Credibility?
Fragility?
Insecurity?

Division!

Is this what Avalon is for?

Has the purpose changed?

This is exhausting and distracting.

One of the least valuable threads I've read!

A shame.................................................

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Posted by Lily de Cuir

Wow, all these people being unsubscribed! Bit of a shock if people are just speaking their minds...

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There is a huge difference between speaking your mind and straight up slander. I'm also noticing that some people are showing their true colors with absolutely childish name calling. Any sympathy they MIGHT have had for getting banned is gone. They themselves have proven that it was the right call. I hope that these very negative expressions are never acceptable here.

Another thing, could we please refrain from speculations and assumptions about Bill, Inelia, Kerry, and all of the dynamics and motivations surrounding them as people? That has nothing to do with Avalon's goals. dynamics between Bil and Kerry are their business. Dynamics between Bill and Inelila are their business. Dynamics between Inelia and Kerry are their business. Let'e refrain from assumptions and projections. At best it's just distraction, and in my opinion, it's none of our business.

Some of you (I don't mean you, Lily) are making me very angry. Thank you for the gift of giving me a chance to practice controlling and processing my anger. I'm still learning.

I'm left wondering why some of you are still here if you disagree so strongly with everything. What is your goal and motivation regarding Avalon? Are you trying to "champion the rights of the people" or something? Are you Luke Skywalker fighting against Darth Bill? If Bill is such a misguided egomaniac and Avalon is so terrible, why not go? I would. All I am saying is take a moment to reflect on your goals.

Some people are really milking this for the drama, whether they realize it or not. Groups of people instinctually identify an external threat as a form of group bonding and to foster a sense of belonging among members. Don't get sucked into it.

I don't care if some of you reading this think some of us are "yes men/women" or "obedient Bill followers". I could care less. That's for me to worry about. And I sure don't need anyone to show me the light or save me, so if this applies to you, go get a life.

Thank you.

P.S. In my opinion (once again) Bill has never owed any of you an explanation for anything. That's your delusion.

All I can say is be patient
The law of karma can not be denied
If a person with integrity in their intention unwittingly hurts another that is unfortunate but the karma is softened by the intention
If a person claims integrity but is actually acting out of agenda - self interest -- with malice -- any negative intention-- particularly falsely claiming to be acting for the good of another then the consequence are exactly equal to the true intention.

In fairness my actions do not alway match my overall intention, which is to be kind to all life including my own.
To err is human to forgive is Divine
This is Easter it is well to remember Christs last words --- "Forgive them for they know not what they do."


Given time it will all sort itself out.

Chris

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Posted by greybeard

There is great value in positive feed back - that is integrity
The opinions I held over the years have been modified changed because I listened to constructive criticism. (there has been plenty--- laughing)
I know my opinions will change, mature over the coming days weeks years -- if I thought I was correct in my views -- set in concrete how could I grow?

A good example was the early guided missile --it would veer to the left after take off -- then the computor would direct it to the opposite direct ie right.
It would then veer right but not so far -- soon it would cease these fluctuations and be on target.
I would not claim to be on target yet far less right.
Part of integrity is being open minded.
Eventually you dont have a set opinion.
That might seem strange.

The Course in Miracles says, as far as I remember "The moment that you take up a position know that you are identifying with an illusion."
Eckhart Tolle says " I dont take my thoughts too seriously"

Paul Simon "One mans ceiling another mans floor"

We all have different points of view thats the way it is.

Happy Easter

Chris

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Greybeard My Friend,

So happy you are posting today>>>>>>I love your being and wisdom and the fact that you tell your story and make your posts very relate-able. You don't talk down to people and I so value you for this:) and that is why I always make sure and read what you have to say whenever you post.

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Posted by greybeard

All I can say is be patient
The law of karma can not be denied
If a person with integrity in their intention unwittingly hurts another that is unfortunate but the karma is softened by the intention
If a person claims integrity but is actually acting out of agenda - self interest -- with malice -- any negative intention-- particularly falsely claiming to be acting for the good of another then the consequence are exactly equal to the true intention.

In fairness my actions do not alway match my overall intention, which is to be kind to all life including my own.
To err is human to forgive is Divine
This is Easter it is well to remember Christs last words --- "Forgive them for they know not what they do."


Given time it will all sort itself out.

Chris

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I always enjoy your posts Chris, you're like a strong anchor that keeps the thread ship where it needs to be.
I tip my proverbial hat to you :)

I have seen this seperation of people gaining momentum for a while now and not just on the internet. I don't see the bad in it anymore (thanks to this thread), more like people choosing what they like from a buffet. It's only when people criticise the choice of food of the others that the problems continue.

actually, visitors are here because of this thread...

and I'm sure most see that there isn't fighting going on here, just working out an understanding between members...

Modwiz and Shiva I see you are with us and you will both be missed...

I'd like to propose we expel members for posts they did not thank. BTW everyone must thank this post OR YOU ARE GONE! :D

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Posted by Bill Ryan

If I were to choose a team of Avalon members to while away the time on a desert island (or a spaceship on a long trip), Chickodoodoo would be right there on my list.

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Thank you, Bill. I appreciate your kind words. While we pass the time on that desert island (I prefer that to a space flight), you might work on the spelling of my name. ;)

Even if you insist on adding a "k" in my name, I suspect we would indeed get along quite well. By the way, the "Chico" part is pronounced like the Mexicans would say it, as in "cheek-oh". The "doodoo" has a Norwegian accent to it. Imagine a Norwegian parent that knows a little Spanish using the name as a term of endearment for a small child, and you will have it!

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It's interesting to me that negative comments are so often made by people hiding behind anonymity, and not taking any responsibility for their statements, the hurt they cause others who are trying to do what they can to help, or the negative influence they are spreading.

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Yes, a part of integrity is what you do when you have complete anonymity. Another part is what you do when you have the spotlight. When they are the same, you are true to yourself.

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Words on the internet are cheap. The courage to communicate in person is not.

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Words anywhere can be cheap (witness Obama), but when used properly, they can form a conduit along which integrity flows (witness Alex Collier).

forgiveness.
humbleness.
humility.
love.
peace.
learning curve.
friendship.
to learn by mistakes.
equality.
free speech.
respect.
enlightenment.
transformation.
ego.
awareness.

make of these what it means to you.

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Posted by SKAWF

you cant talk to a hells angels member like he's your gran. you'll lose teeth.
also you might have to engage with those of a different perspective.
i reckon in a minor way, we compromise our own integrity every day, just by living.

steve

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Steve, your statement about the hell's angels and how you CAN'T treat them illustrates how a strong belief is just that, a personal "belief" we have adopted and bought into, not necessarily a reality. Treating a hell's angel member like your gran is EXACTLY how I treated them when I happened to have a boyfriend who was a hell's angel back in the 70's when I lived in Southern California. My present husband also occasionally rode with the hell's angels before he went off to Vietnam and to this day I treat him like he's a pussycat or my gran. It's like soothing the savage beast. Of course I do have an unfair advantage being a woman. LOL...

If you truly believe something is scary, it will be scary. If you believe it's a pussycat it will often purr at you. I don't consider communicating or engaging with others who come from different perspectives to be compromising my integrity. It's great practice learning how to communicate with potentially dangerous people and can help you in other dimensions when you run across what seem to be negative or demonic type beings. To establish communication you might have to speak their particular "language" first, then once you have them intrigued (or hooked) you can shift the energy to your desired type of communication. I pretty much treat them all the same and they almost all end up purring. If they insist on continuing the conflict game past a certain point, I banish them out of my life. Sort of like what Bill is doing in his life and forum.

Nancy :)

PS: I see nothing sad or wrong with this thread. Sh** happens, life changes, forums change, people come and go and so what. I don't usually feel sad at the reality of online interactions or interpersonal interactions. It's constant change. If someone wants to feel sad that is a personal choice and a valid one for them. I much prefer happy or detached! You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometime you just might find you get what you need.

Here's a great version of that song!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=q0GKi...feature=fvwrel

so this thread was started three days after the full moon. could of fooled me, seems like its been a full moon all week.
So back to what happened...Did the moon cause this or was it A.I.? Were some peoples minds taken over and they accepted the thought suggestions as their own?

Heal Avalon, Heel...thats it, good community, good gathering.
peace

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Posted by manny

forgiveness.
humbleness.
humility.
love.
peace.
learning curve.
friendship.
to learn by mistakes.
equality.
free speech.
respect.
enlightenment.
transformation.
ego.
awareness.

make of these what it means to you.

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Manny, if I could, I would push the thank you button 1000 times:cool:

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Posted by Dragonfly

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Posted by manny

forgiveness.
humbleness.
humility.
love.
peace.
learning curve.
friendship.
to learn by mistakes.
equality.
free speech.
respect.
enlightenment.
transformation.
ego.
awareness.

make of these what it means to you.

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Manny, if I could, I would push the thank you button 1000 times:cool:

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no disrepect.
i could not care if i get thanked once or a thousand times.
as long as it makes sense to one person.
then its worth it.;)

years ago me and a friend departed ways.
seperated for about three years.
eventually we got back in touch.
now we are the best of friends.

the door was never closed.

Hi all

I want to put this on here just to bring a smile to your faces; i hope you take it in the way it is meant

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=B6-oKlPt6IA

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Posted by manny

no disrepect.
i could not care if i get thanked once or a thousand times.
as long as it makes sense to one person.
then its worth it.;)

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Posted by manny

years ago me and a friend departed ways.
seperated for about three years.
eventually we got back in touch.
now we are the best of friends.

the door was never closed.

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Manny is a member I very greatly value here. He had a couple of temporary bans after battling with his demons and losing his cool, we communicated with him extensively backchannel, and he returned and apologized so sincerely it was inspiring.

We offered him all the support we could, he's had a bit of a roller-coaster ride, and he's a model for us now from whom others are learning. I wish everyone could match his courage and his spirit.

hi Nancy,

i was trying to pick two extremes!.
i know what you're saying though.

i'll try to clarify....

when i meet someone, if i'm listening to what they say, i dont exist.
only they do. i try to engage with people on their level where possible.
sort of like meeting them halfway, and its different for each person.
mostly what people get back from me, is what they give out

there are times that i deliberately tone down what i'm saying dependant on the company i'm in.
or sometimes i say nothing at all, even though i have something i could say.

if we were being strict with the definition,
it could be argued that my integrity suffers on those occaisions,
even though my core values remain intact.

like i say, i really really want to meet the being who holds a state of pure integrity all of the time.
i dont believe he/she exists.
i reckon for most, integrity is more an aspiration than a reality.
even more so in a corrupted world.

cheers

steve

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Posted by Bill Ryan

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Posted by manny

no disrepect.
i could not care if i get thanked once or a thousand times.
as long as it makes sense to one person.
then its worth it.;)

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Posted by manny

years ago me and a friend departed ways.
seperated for about three years.
eventually we got back in touch.
now we are the best of friends.

the door was never closed.

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Manny is a member I very greatly value here. He had a couple of temporary bans after battling with his demons and losing his cool, we communicated with him extensively backchannel, and he returned and apologized so sincerely it was inspiring.

We offered him all the support we could, he's had a bit of a roller-coaster ride, and he's a model for us now from whom others are learning. I wish everyone could match his courage and his spirit.

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Bill ~ Could this be a possible course of a rectification method or channel to any of those that were banned > in seeking (pursuing) an amicable good faith reconciliation with you and the Avalon Forum?

The layers to our negative programming might be so extensive that we are not able to recognize our true image or even know who we really are unless we begin to live in the present, where our thoughts are free from any errors from the past. What we think about most we eventually become, so every step we take, every move we make, every word we say, is affecting the integrity of our real identity.

Love is the one thing that cannot be divided by an inflated ego because of its integrity. Where there is integrity, there is completeness. Where their is completeness, there is wholeness. Where there is wholeness, there is reality. When something is real, it is truth.


Blessings to All