A major new interview with a Project Avalon Whistleblower (Questions for GoodETxSG)

Well... Some people here are hurting. I know I am.

As Limor says, we are talking Milab here.

A Milab is a weapon, whether they want to be or not, they have no choice. Their sovereignty has been destroyed.

There is a world of pain in that word, Milab.

A thousand human beings fail, and die for every Milab made.

Maybe the death ratio is better now, I don't know.

Some people here are not hurting but want to make hay of some kind.

I don't know what to say, except, I hurt. For everyone. Most of all, for those who have broken bread together, which is a holy act.

I have no answers, and I don't believe anyone who says they do.

The old, looking back in time, so often say, "Just try to be a little kinder."

Love, Sierra, daughter of a Milab

He deleted it as he did not want it to effect Avalon. That is why it has been shared ONLY in PMs. I feel posting it publicly goes against his wishes.

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Posted by Jake

And please refrain from pretending that using his real name shows a lack of integrity.. We are supposed to lie for him and do nothing while he uses his new platform to trash Avalon...

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Revealing the real name of a whistleblower for me is an absolutely no go for any forum that has an ethical approach.
The privacy of forum members must be protected under all circumstances (unless someone decides to use his real name).

A whistleblower must be protected under all circumstances, regardless what one might personally think about the integrity or truth of his statements. Otherwise we will become judges about his life. Possibly our protection or non-protection of his anonymity will decide about his future well-being, live and death.

I whish that all members of the Avalon forum including moderators will strictly protect the privacy of the others.

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Posted by Sierra

Well... Some people here are hurting. I know I am.

As Limor says, we are talking Milab here.

A Milab is a weapon, whether they want to be or not, they have no choice. Their sovereignty has been destroyed.

There is a world of pain in that word, Milab.

A thousand human beings fail, and die for every Milab made.

Maybe the death ratio is better now, I don't know.

Some people here are not hurting but want to make hay of some kind.

I don't know what to say, except, I hurt. For everyone. Most of all, for those who have broken bread together, which is a holy act.

I have no answers, and I don't believe anyone who says they do.

The old, looking back in time, so often say, "Just try to be a little kinder."

Love, Sierra, daughter of a Milab

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This is a marvelous post.

Some thoughts and feelings of my own:

• This entire experience (combined with others!) helps us (or CAN help us) all to understand the nature (and the risks) of the problem rather better than we may have done.

• When such a 'weapon' malfunctions, everyone is in danger, no matter whose 'side' the 'weapon' is on. In a situation of danger, our first priority is to safeguard the forum and its members. All members here would want us to do that, and it's our job.

• None of this means we don't have compassion for the Jason Bournes among us. I spent many hundreds of hours with Henry Deacon — a broken soul. I spent almost as much time with Duncan O'Finioan, a brave and wounded warrior if ever there was one. And many, many others, as well — really. I do have quite some understanding of these people, and, as they say, there but for the Grace of God go we.

• We've let other Milabs go from the forum (never in disgrace if we can possibly help it) — whom we just could not help. We may be able to help very few, if we're super-honest with ourselves. But we have to try... and we are doing just that, literally every day, often behind the scenes, with wafer-thin resources and a bunch of other balls to juggle as well. I am not comfortable feeling that there is somehow a suggestion that we are throwing anyone to the dogs. (Although no-one has said that, I feel that may be being suggested in some way). That is just not the case, and never has been.

I was absent from the forum for over a year and a half . I read a little about the stuff he has published on the internet because it intrigued me at first. I also, read everything that was written about 36 pages of Avalon appeared to me as a waste of time. Avalon has a lot more to offer with kind and respectful and civilized members ! Thank moderators who have done a very good job of transparancy. Le forum a grandit de façon positive depuis mon arrivée en 2011.

You know the most reassuring thing about this is??
the hurt feelings. feelings of betrayals...all the crap..is very human.
the hard part is watching good humans go south for abit...
suspect we will learn alott from it...
ifn were willing.
aint meant a single person yet who is perfect...
Avalon...and family...even through this tech is bursting with humanity.:amen:
AIs..dracos..cabal..ptb..etc.
don't stand a chance if we can pull this off.:rockon:
truth and balance
hearts always.
William and tribe.

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Posted by Jake

And please refrain from pretending that using his real name shows a lack of integrity.. We are supposed to lie for him and do nothing while he uses his new platform to trash Avalon...

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Revealing the real name of a whistleblower for me is an absolutely no go for any forum that has an ethical approach.
The privacy of forum members must be protected under all circumstances (unless someone decides to use his real name).

A whistleblower must be protected under all circumstances, regardless what one might personally think about the integrity or truth of his statements. Otherwise we will become judges about his life. Possibly our protection or non-protection of his anonymity will decide about his future well-being, live and death.

I whish that all members of the Avalon forum including moderators will strictly protect the privacy of the others.

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Agreed. Shocking that it came from a mod too. Also, its not lying for anyone. All that had to be done was not reveal his name. That is not lying.

Its a shame nobody on here is actually addressing what was posted in the blog or trying to explain it. Indeed, the fine details are being consistently ignored. GoodET deleted it because he did not want divisions on Avalon which is a good thing. However, its out there now so I feel it needs to be dealt with rather than left hanging.

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Agreed. Shocking that it came from a mod too. Also, its not lying for anyone. All that had to be done was not reveal his name. That is not lying.

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Perfect much?

8:27, name was posted.

8:31, name was removed.

Not good enough for you?

Good enough for me. A friend with a relationship to said person might just be more likely to refer to a friend by name, out of loving habit.

I just almost made the same mistake Sierra, and for the reason stated! Glad I caught it! It's also a bit confusing for everyone when he was signing of with his name most of the time too, but I support earnestly his desire to create a safer space for himself. I had encouraged him to do so in the past as well. It's a good thing I think overall to be supportive of that.

From the Heart,
Kristin

This is not easy for anyone. Respectfully, Avalon is at it's best when we can step back and support each other. Some times people fall short of the mark or feel that they need to divide in order to feel safe. None of us are perfect. But we can try to improve right now if we put our minds to it. I'm not going to point a finger in any direction here, rather, I feel the need to send heart felt thanks and appreciation to "C" and his family, Avalon, Bill, and all the Mods for being the best they can be and always trying to be better. I've actually been on a bit of a sabbatical for the last two months but have felt pulled to be back at this time, even if briefly to just to be supportive as much as I can be even though I'm late to the game.

We are a good crew here overall. Let's not toss out the baby with the bath water or try to add any intrigue by casting shadows. Most of us have never seen the alleged CoS information as it's never been even hung out to dry. It would be nice, but that has not been case as of yet. Let's just step back and ponder on that.

I think if a person chooses to reside in a person's house they should not do so with dispassion, intrigue, and the idea that they have a right to leave an untidy mess. We still have time to clean this up. First and foremost we can be proactive with each other and appreciate that we have had the space and the experience. Then see what we can do to be our best. We may all be gifted in learning something valuable about ourselves.

If you truly have healing and a heart to improve this situation, then let's encourage some kind of disclosure while being supportive of all the parties involved. Every one involved here is hurt to some extent. We can do that, can't we????

From the Heart,
Kristin

The compassion and amount of kinship of one person having such experiences with another has nothing to do with the amount of sheer greatfulness for the sincere help and assistance this place has to offer, to a level that is supressing that of many therapists out there, and with a unique determination and level of humaness which is breaking all mistrust that was ever intended to be built, that IS a profound HEALING. a personal deep thanks to you, Bill, what is being provided here is more than can be summed in a few words.
Thank you healers group, Thank you, all Avalon moderators.

P.S

People build their lives, some lives were built on a sand and some on a rock, comes a storm and the shaking may bring a different outcome to each. But souls who have mutual aspirations will always fare on common ground.

To the good people around here who may be in a rush to make judgements either way, life under dectation, abduction and intervention is not normal, it surely expends one's soul to the limit, and in the times and place we are in, we may find that a lot may reveal how their own lives as a whole have much in common with such experiences. Staying kind and pleasent at all times is not always realistic or points on being uncivilised.

Many good blessings ~

Limor

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Posted by Sierra

Perfect much?

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What does that phrase even mean?

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Posted by Sierra

A friend with a relationship to said person might just be more likely to refer to a friend by name, out of loving habit.

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I take your point here that it was probably an innocent lapse. However, I still stand by the fact it is not lying by not posting a name. Its respecting confidence.

Avalon has helped me in the past with various issues. I will never forget that and am very grateful to everyone who offered advice. However, that does not cancel out the fact that the points in the blog need to be addressed in my opinion. So far, they have not been.

All the best.

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Posted by Kristin

We still have time to clean this up.

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I agree. This is the most important point.

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Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN

Avalon has helped me in the past with various issues. I will never forget that and am very grateful to everyone who offered advice. However, that does not cancel out the fact that the points in the blog need to be addressed in my opinion. So far, they have not been.

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Should they be? It was taken down by the original OP.

I will respect his wishes. I don't presume to know better.

Sierra

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Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN

Avalon has helped me in the past with various issues. I will never forget that and am very grateful to everyone who offered advice. However, that does not cancel out the fact that the points in the blog need to be addressed in my opinion. So far, they have not been.

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Should they be? It was taken down by the original OP.

I will respect his wishes. I don't presume to know better.

Sierra

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That is a very respectful thing to do. I refused to share the cached link openly for the same reasons. However, people change their minds......

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Posted by Jake

Closing the thread is not my call.. Good talk, Thunder. I respect you for shure.

And I am sorry for taking my emotions out on you. Please understand that xxxx was a friend. Not just some guy who posted, to me.. We got to become friends,, allies, , buddies. We are bloodine related, we shared stories. I have friggin cried real friggin tears for him.. I dont have many friends Thunder... xxx was one,,, and now I cant even use his real name??? That actually breaks my actual heart. I havent heard from him,, not a peep.. It kills me that he spent even one second trashing this place... He knows better and it is hurting..

So, mod hat off... I may have been the unwanting recipient of a one sided friendship, and it hurts a bit...

Jake

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Dude,

I'm sorry, but you know what he lost is far greater than what Avalon did... our revolving door of knowledge...

what was that crazy woman a few years back that started wanting to help Bill then turned to trash him, very close signatures on this event...

I was impressed how everyone stepped forward at once and just shut it down...

I had just finished mopping the living room floor when his wife came running through with muddy feet...

didn't mean to smack her quite that hard with the mop...


OK well maybe I did... :pound:

There's an old wisdom that says beware of the day your wishes are granted ... for whatever you wished for is to come true ..

in this world or another , on parallel time line ..

the debate is still going on, in each one of you

and 'we others' are but part of your own inner discourse .

And then , there's one truth we are all trying to assert here , by expressing it in new and unique way since each of us were born new and unique ..


like flowers contained in infinite space

i hear a silence in that place ... long distance ... no ears are ringing , no bells , no echoes ever heard ...


is there going to be music ..?


How something completely intangible to human senses can take a shape , be seen , or heard over such a vast distance . No it can't . There is a memory , you call it your pondering , your search for truth , your theories .. you call IT many names .

You search for what you forgot . What you forgot .. we all do forget some things while we are not aware we've forgotten them .

There's no link ..between the two worlds ...there is a plane of reasoning .


Human brain reacts to complex abstract feed in manifold ways


Many blessings


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I have been drawn back into this after saying I was stepping out. I am now going to try and stay true to my word and leave this thread as life is too short and people are getting the wrong end of the stick and getting hurt. Plus its Christmas.

Just getting back in. Of course I did not mean to reveal any names. Thunder caught it, and I changed if immediately.. My pc is down and my reaction time was slow, sorry.

In my own defense, my instinct is to protect the integrity of members of Avalon.. respect and integrity go two ways...

I apologize again to yo, Thunder. I will kick myself for being rude..

I will not post links but goodet has attached his name to his material already.. Just fyi...

It makes me wonder how many have been paying attention.

Jake.

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Posted by Jake

I apologize again to yo, Thunder. I will kick myself for being rude..


Jake.

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don't mention it... (shakes hands)

A mod was asked by GoodETxSG to please close this thread.

We have done so.

Sierra

thank goodness.
warmest,
crosby

Sierra... Hit that close button harder :)

Goodman, if your watching, peace be with you.
warmest and most loving regards,
crosby

... reaching over Sierra's shoulder and hitting the close button harder

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Hi, All! :)

The mods have had a long day too. Please forgive us.

As the night watchman here, I am finally locking the door. Our thanks to everyone for your wisdom, your understanding, and your presence.