Edgar Cayce: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Atlantis

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Hey ripple....I read the thread which you reference, but may I ask if you comprehend the implications of "Where Science And Spirituality Meet"?

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Of course you may ask . But unfortunately I have no idea what your reference point is . However if Dr Marjan Davoudi is involved I will certainly make the effort . She is hot . And as I am working toward omniscience I feel sure the answer to your specific question is , Yes . :waving:

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My reference point is simply the 'tag line' of this forum which is present upon each and every page!

As to another reference....it would be Rudolf Steiner, who termed the phrase 'spiritual science' but I consider that he was more analyzing the aspects of man as a spirit rather than bringing the two fields together!

I must apologise to Greybeard as I am vastly off topic now....sorry :(

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at minute 19.

"explains they used both solar radiation to work through the crystals and they use stellar radiation from stars to . . . . ."


Um the Sun, SOL basis for SOLAR, is a star.


Is he trying to say that they have technology attuned for G type main sequence stars that are nearby and that they also have a means from taking a stellar soup of far stars and collecting the radiation from them as well?

Or can they attune to specific far stars of a type or any type.

I am left confused and now suspect of this dude.

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That is true ripple, our sun is a star, it gives off a very powerful radiation.

Maybe the stellar radiation as mentioned might be vied differently if thought of as 'interstellar radiation' a refined mixture of many different stars.

that works for me :sun:

hi lake
your signature = normal is under the apology for being off topic.
Well its normal for me too.Smiling broadly.
Some times off topic can bring up very interesting information--thanks to you and ripple
Feel free--it keeps the thread alive.
Chris

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DNA thanks for your contribution I am aware that you know more about Edgar Cayce than I.
We are on the same page--my Scorpio friend>

Chris

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at minute 19.

"explains they used both solar radiation to work through the crystals and they use stellar radiation from stars to . . . . ."
Um the Sun, SOL basis for SOLAR, is a star.


Is he trying to say that they have technology attuned for G type main sequence stars that are nearby and that they also have a means from taking a stellar soup of far stars and collecting the radiation from them as well?
Or can they attune to specific far stars of a type or any type.
I am left confused and now suspect of this dude.

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That is true ripple, our sun is a star, it gives off a very powerful radiation.

Maybe the stellar radiation as mentioned might be vied differently if thought of as 'interstellar radiation' a refined mixture of many different stars.

that works for me :sun:

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If it works for you and does not hurt others , it seems fine to me . But quite why I am mentioned by you I do not know . I have voiced no opinions about the radiation you refer to, though I happen to believe that it is solar and cosmic energy which is affecting our planet negatively right now in terms of earthquakes and volcanos .But that is generally understood --- solar minimum etc . There are others who also trace cyclical activity to the incidence of wars , years of aggressive behaviour and people behaving irrationally and violently .All that seems possible and perhaps we are in the mid of such activity right now and until around 2022 . But I highlight the possibility rather than assert it as fact .

I had two lifetimes on Atlantis circa 12,300 to 12,400 years ago. In the first lifetime I was sacrificed on a stone slab (perhaps a sarcophagus) in a temple on Atlantis. I recovered this memory on Dec 6, 1995 and I documented this in the EYE OF RA (pages 99-100 of the PDF, link below).

Edgar Cayce confirmed that "human sacrifice" was practiced "in the latter portion of Atlantis" [Reading 364-4]. This was pointed out to me by Justplain here: http://www.was-this-atlantis.info/cayce/16.html

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Hey ripple....I read the thread which you reference, but may I ask if you comprehend the implications of "Where Science And Spirituality Meet"?

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Of course you may ask . But unfortunately I have no idea what your reference point is . However if Dr Marjan Davoudi is involved I will certainly make the effort . She is hot . And as I am working toward omniscience I feel sure the answer to your specific question is , Yes . :waving:

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My reference point is simply the 'tag line' of this forum which is present upon each and every page!

As to another reference....it would be Rudolf Steiner, who termed the phrase 'spiritual science' but I consider that he was more analyzing the aspects of man as a spirit rather than bringing the two fields together!

I must apologise to Greybeard as I am vastly off topic now....sorry :(

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Surprised to see Steiner appear out of nowhere . Now there you have an eccentric and many have argued a cult leader . Poor guy was saddled with this criticism :-
"His belief system is so eccentric, so unsupported by evidence, so manifestly bizarre, that rational skeptics are bound to consider it delusional.... But, whereas Einstein's way of perceiving the world by thought became confirmed by experiment and mathematical proof, Steiner's remained intensely subjective and insusceptible of objective confirmation."
And then there was former Waldorf pupil Dan Dugan and historian Geoffrey Ahem who criticised anthroposophy as a dangerous cult that is fundamentally anti rational and anti scientific .
Poor Steiner . Hardly Top of the Pops in many circles .

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Hey ripple....I read the thread which you reference, but may I ask if you comprehend the implications of "Where Science And Spirituality Meet"?

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Of course you may ask . But unfortunately I have no idea what your reference point is . However if Dr Marjan Davoudi is involved I will certainly make the effort . She is hot . And as I am working toward omniscience I feel sure the answer to your specific question is , Yes . :waving:

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My reference point is simply the 'tag line' of this forum which is present upon each and every page!

As to another reference....it would be Rudolf Steiner, who termed the phrase 'spiritual science' but I consider that he was more analyzing the aspects of man as a spirit rather than bringing the two fields together!

I must apologise to Greybeard as I am vastly off topic now....sorry :(

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Surprised to see Steiner appear out of nowhere . Now there you have an eccentric and many have argued a cult leader . Poor guy was saddled with this criticism :-
"His belief system is so eccentric, so unsupported by evidence, so manifestly bizarre, that rational skeptics are bound to consider it delusional.... But, whereas Einstein's way of perceiving the world by thought became confirmed by experiment and mathematical proof, Steiner's remained intensely subjective and insusceptible of objective confirmation."
And then there was former Waldorf pupil Dan Dugan and historian Geoffrey Ahem who criticised anthroposophy as a dangerous cult that is fundamentally anti rational and anti scientific .
Poor Steiner . Hardly Top of the Pops in many circles .

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Just have to respond because actaully Cayce and Steiner are united by genius.

I don't think anyone really needs to pity Steiner at all. IMO he was a true Romantic and a deeply feeling human who also had a great thinking ability. He was able to create in several ways. His educational and agricultural systems still have practical value despite some not enjoying them or understanding them. He created ecologies for living beings
He also drafted architecture that is unique. He also is famous as the interpreter of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. He was a mystic and IMO and actaully at this time, his concern about humanity's struggle in the middle of polar forces of Lucifer and Ahriman look very reasonable. If anyone cares, this is a very loving documentary that will make people smile while watching IMO.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WC6ueaROLew

For me the value of his educational and agricultural contributions remind me of Edgar Cayce's contributions to holistic health. In both cases, observing the truth and utility of some of his work means mAYBE, even if I don't grasp the more esoteric aspects of Steiner and Cayce, there is SOMETHING THERE?

Hey DNA, The Ignore option works really well! I use it often. (Seriously.) :nod:
I realize everyone probably has a long list of videos and articles they haven't been able to get around to perusing, but I highly recommend Dark Journalist's X Series, which weaves through a number of connected themes including Cayce's material, Atlantis, Rudolf Steiner, Theosophy, Anthroposophy, the Secret Space Program, ancient knowledge of ETs and UFOs, etc.
Also Trump's uncle who was very informed about many secret subjects and how he probably passed a lot of that on down to his nephew, etc.
Extremely interesting if you really want to connect a lot of dots which most will ignore, and then never understand what they've missed, why they have a lot of info that doesn't add up, and why don't "get" the big picture.
Many of the X Series episodes featured on this thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ark+journalist
Or go directly to the youtube page, where all the episodes are listed in order: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m2Q...lzEGUgoH496qay

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It seems that so many people are desperate to hear from individuals whom they hope might have had a peep round the corner or even into the future .So desperate to answer questions that they suspend their intellect and substitute irrational belief for scientific process and the determination of truth by ways that stand detail investigation and that can be reproduced time after time

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It seems to me that if you are so busy with your arrogance presuming you know everything, it is very unlikely you will ever hear or truly understand anything. For folks who dwell in such arrogance there is very little mystery left in the world and such an existence would seem sad and quite boring to me.

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A lot of relevant information out there.
Thanks to onawah for the pointing.

Chris

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Do you Ripple believe that Acadamia is truly a system that teaches truth and seeks to educate the world? I'm of the opinion it is not.

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I pick up on this question and to an extent remind you of the standard reply .
Academia based on scholarship represents scientific method and process and is the only way we know how to arrive at consensus views on matters where rational investigation is used . Hypotheses stand or fall over time in the light of research findings which can always be duplicated . I think we all know ( or think we know ) that there are areas where TPTB probably withhold full truths and/or seek to misinform , disinform and sometimes blatantly lie .Quite separately I believe there are good arguments to support such actions occasionally , although that view might be contended here .
I think that if we somehow compiled a list of all academic matters and compared it to the number within that total where we believed there was deliberate dishonesty , we might have a ratio of something like many million to 100 . That represents one attempted measure of dishonesty . And it amounts to very little---- one in a million if the ratio is one hundred from one hundred million . Against that , you might reasonably argue that many of those topics where information / results are suppressed are those that are of the most crucial importance to mankind , both immediate and longer term .
And , of course , that position is the one 'we 'argue over constantly --- who is best positioned in all aspects to make those kind of decisions .For whom and , Why .
In the case of Cayce and his view of the history of Atlantis , he presents a hypothesis and supports it with no evidence . That is interesting but no more than that . Unfortunately, many other researchers have produced alternative hypotheses and some seem more evidence linked than the Cayce proposition--- see my earlier list .I have grave doubts that TPTB or the scientific establishment have any good reasons to deliberately suppress the Cayce narrative . It is simply just one person's belief . Period .

You seem to be a big Cayce fan because you are keen to somehow make his Atlantis scenario more acceptable by referring to unrelated areas where you believe his track record is stronger . Of course , logically that is inadmissible .
But bear in mind that all of his work had serious critics .Not TPTB who wanted him silent . But jobbing specialists simply doing their best and using scientific method and process .

Below are Wiki cited criticisms , some of which I referred to previously ;_
Skeptics challenge Cayce's alleged psychic abilities. Medical health experts are critical of Cayce's unorthodox treatments, which they regard as quackery.
Science writers and skeptics have suggested that the evidence for Cayce's alleged psychic powers comes from contemporaneous newspaper articles, affidavits, anecdotes, testimonials, and books. Martin Gardner, for example, wrote that while Cayce's trances did happen, most of the information from his trances was derived from books that Cayce had been reading by authors such as Carl Jung, P. D. Ouspensky, and Helena Blavatsky. Gardner's hypothesis was that the trance readings of Cayce contain, "little bits of information gleaned from here and there in the occult literature, spiced with occasional novelties from Cayce's unconscious."
Michael Shermer writes in Why People Believe Weird Things, "Uneducated beyond the ninth grade, Cayce acquired his broad knowledge through voracious reading and from this he wove elaborate tales." Shermer wrote that, "Cayce was fantasy-prone from his youth, often talking with angels and receiving visions of his dead grandfather." Magician James Randi has said that "Cayce was fond of expressions like 'I feel that' and 'perhaps'—qualifying words used to avoid positive declarations." Examination of the readings do not show qualifying terms.
Investigator Joe Nickell has noted:
Although Cayce was never subjected to proper testing, ESP pioneer Joseph B. Rhine of Duke University — who should have been sympathetic to Cayce's claims — was unimpressed. A reading that Cayce gave for Rhine's daughter was notably inaccurate. Frequently, Cayce was even wider off the mark, as when he provided diagnoses of subjects who had died since the letters requesting the readings were sent.
Science writer Karen Stollznow has written:
The reality is that his cures were hearsay and his treatments were folk remedies that were useless at best and dangerous at worse ... Cayce wasn't able to cure his own cousin, or his own son who died as a baby. Many of Cayce's readings took place after the patient had already died. END OF QUOTE

These are serious critiques and ones you cannot ignore just because they interfere with your existing overview and core belief system . That you then attribute , Arrogance , to my contribution is ironic . Given that I make every point with reason and citation and make no dogmatic assertions , I think you need to re-examine your own position with diligence.

I see what you are saying ripple and where you are coming from which is a valid/scientific way of looking at what is presented.
I would however say that Edgar Cayce was not giving an opinion---in trance its not really possible to give an opinion as its the subconscious that is operating.
Im not validating what Cayce said in trance but what I find particularly interesting is the take on the Egyptian Hyroglyphics which is at least logical and of course Kundalini--which is well documented as part of the process of spiritual awakening and is within my own experience without ever reading about it--ie a spontaneous awakening.

Every ones input here is welcomed and valued--I cant read, study, everything, so its a further cross check to what may be so, or not, as the case might be.

Chris

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I would however say that Edgar Cayce was not giving an opinion---in trance its not really possible to give an opinion as its the subconscious that is operating

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MMh. I tend to disagree with this statement because it insinuates everything that comes out of the subconscious is always true, which it clearly isn't (since if it's NOT an opinion, then it must be true)

In my mind, the stuff that comes out of his mouth is ALL opinion, just not necessarily his own until he chooses to adopt the statements he made after he has been briefed on what he said while in the trance (insert eye roll)

My burning question is "What was it like on Atlantis?". Channeled information is interesting and so are past life memories but what I'd really like so see is something like a diary from an Atlantean who wrote it while they were still Atlantean. TrumanCash's past life memories are pretty scary though so maybe I better be careful what I wish for. That one's certainly a mistake we can learn from!

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I pick up on this question and to an extent remind you of the standard reply .
Academia based on scholarship represents scientific method and process and is the only way we know how to arrive at consensus views on matters where rational investigation is used . Hypotheses stand or fall over time in the light of research findings which can always be duplicated . I think we all know ( or think we know ) that there are areas where TPTB probably withhold full truths and/or seek to misinform , disinform and sometimes blatantly lie .Quite separately I believe there are good arguments to support such actions occasionally , although that view might be contended here .
I think that if we somehow compiled a list of all academic matters and compared it to the number within that total where we believed there was deliberate dishonesty , we might have a ratio of something like many million to 100 . That represents one attempted measure of dishonesty . And it amounts to very little---- one in a million if the ratio is one hundred from one hundred million . Against that , you might reasonably argue that many of those topics where information / results are suppressed are those that are of the most crucial importance to mankind , both immediate and longer term .
And , of course , that position is the one 'we 'argue over constantly --- who is best positioned in all aspects to make those kind of decisions .For whom and , Why .
In the case of Cayce and his view of the history of Atlantis , he presents a hypothesis and supports it with no evidence . That is interesting but no more than that . Unfortunately, many other researchers have produced alternative hypotheses and some seem more evidence linked than the Cayce proposition--- see my earlier list .I have grave doubts that TPTB or the scientific establishment have any good reasons to deliberately suppress the Cayce narrative . It is simply just one person's belief . Period .

You seem to be a big Cayce fan because you are keen to somehow make his Atlantis scenario more acceptable by referring to unrelated areas where you believe his track record is stronger . Of course , logically that is inadmissible .
But bear in mind that all of his work had serious critics .Not TPTB who wanted him silent . But jobbing specialists simply doing their best and using scientific method and process .

Below are Wiki cited criticisms , some of which I referred to previously ;_
Skeptics challenge Cayce's alleged psychic abilities. Medical health experts are critical of Cayce's unorthodox treatments, which they regard as quackery.
Science writers and skeptics have suggested that the evidence for Cayce's alleged psychic powers comes from contemporaneous newspaper articles, affidavits, anecdotes, testimonials, and books. Martin Gardner, for example, wrote that while Cayce's trances did happen, most of the information from his trances was derived from books that Cayce had been reading by authors such as Carl Jung, P. D. Ouspensky, and Helena Blavatsky. Gardner's hypothesis was that the trance readings of Cayce contain, "little bits of information gleaned from here and there in the occult literature, spiced with occasional novelties from Cayce's unconscious."
Michael Shermer writes in Why People Believe Weird Things, "Uneducated beyond the ninth grade, Cayce acquired his broad knowledge through voracious reading and from this he wove elaborate tales." Shermer wrote that, "Cayce was fantasy-prone from his youth, often talking with angels and receiving visions of his dead grandfather." Magician James Randi has said that "Cayce was fond of expressions like 'I feel that' and 'perhaps'—qualifying words used to avoid positive declarations." Examination of the readings do not show qualifying terms.
Investigator Joe Nickell has noted:
Although Cayce was never subjected to proper testing, ESP pioneer Joseph B. Rhine of Duke University — who should have been sympathetic to Cayce's claims — was unimpressed. A reading that Cayce gave for Rhine's daughter was notably inaccurate. Frequently, Cayce was even wider off the mark, as when he provided diagnoses of subjects who had died since the letters requesting the readings were sent.
Science writer Karen Stollznow has written:
The reality is that his cures were hearsay and his treatments were folk remedies that were useless at best and dangerous at worse ... Cayce wasn't able to cure his own cousin, or his own son who died as a baby. Many of Cayce's readings took place after the patient had already died. END OF QUOTE

These are serious critiques and ones you cannot ignore just because they interfere with your existing overview and core belief system . That you then attribute , Arrogance , to my contribution is ironic . Given that I make every point with reason and citation and make no dogmatic assertions , I think you need to re-examine your own position with diligence.

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Troll-hood motto: Never, ever, however, whatsoever, to anyone, a point concede.

Petra--to be sure im aware that what comes from the subconscious is not necessarily true--the place where dreams are made.
Cayce could see Atlantis as it was then, through doing past lives on "clients"
He got the picture--he maintained there is only the present moment--so everything is available as though it is happening now.
Its not quite channelled information as there is no exterior being in this case--just Cayce and client.
Im just repeating what is in some of the videos--I dont have an opinion other than finding the material interesting.

Chris

I find it interesting in the interview,they mention briefly 12 chakras will be inside the body rather than Severn.
Because we really do have the other five inside are field already. Four above the crown and one below the feet.has anybody felt a moving closer of the outside chakras towards the body?

I would however say that Edgar Cayce was not giving an opinion---in trance its not really possible to give an opinion as its the subconscious that is operating.

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Thanks for the nod .
Noting your own feelings and adding them to those generally reported in the separate thread , 'The World of Future Shock is already here ', we do appear to see that information overload is something very real and highly stressful .
In terms of available input , everything has speeded exponentially, but , for the majority , input response capacity and times have stayed the same or even dropped due to information amount plus complexity .
People's world views are being assaulted and challenged more frequently and they break down to some degree or another .
Some cannot find the time to even keep pace with available information and that induces all sorts of problems with guilt prominent .
Others , try to keep things simple and often without realising just become more selective in order to make sure that their 'safe house ' is not blown away . And so on .

So , with the greatest respect I believe EC was giving opinions from trance . They may have been channeled or handed to him by ethereal messengers but that is no different in essence from any opinion we might have which has been handed to us by our ethereal messengers we label as BBC , Al Jazeera , Zero Hedge and Breitbart , for example .Our Angels and the end result is our overall reported opinion , not the detail sounds from which the summary opinion is made from .
This becomes particularly pertinent to EC , I suggest , because the one thing he did was read . Prodigiously ,for all his life . This is something I cannot stress too much because it is possibly at the heart of an explanation of his apparent ability to match up trance details with existing information that he had read perhaps years previously .

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Please don't beat yourself too much . I am always delighted to concede anything if there is a worthwhile and evidence based rebuttal .
And I certainly do not regard you as an intended Troll . Perhaps too dogmatically stuck to a narrow view but hey ho , ---- there we all go .

If it wasn't so counter to the world's intended goal, it would be obvious that we share one mind. And that mind is all yhere is. Just as our nightly dreams seem real, so too do our waking dreams that we currently take as waking reality. Right now we believe that when we die we are born into a new reality. We will advance when we understand viscerely that we need not die to be born again...

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Its not quite channelled information as there is no exterior being in this case--just Cayce and client.
Im just repeating what is in some of the videos--I dont have an opinion other than finding the material interesting.

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That just doesn't add up for me. Sentences don't just construct themselves out of thin air. The other possibility in my mind if it's not channeling, is programming, which would have been done by a programmer.

I'm awfully protective of Cayce, that's for sure. My opinion is that he was being abused - maybe not all of the time - but my point being that there was certainly lots of opportunity for the beyond to abuse that man, considering how much of his time he spent in trances.