Whew. Appreciate this thread. But do not know when I'll be able to listen to a 3 hr + interview - and then some. Will try to catch up soon.
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Whew. Appreciate this thread. But do not know when I'll be able to listen to a 3 hr + interview - and then some. Will try to catch up soon.
thats the basic flaw in the duality. evil doesnt create. it corrupts and destroys.Quote:
Posted by 9eagle9
it is entirely reliant on all that is good, for its very existance.
good would get along just fine without evil
the equation doesnt work the other way around.
thats not a duality. thats a parasite/host thing (imo)
its kinda why i laugh at the elites.
they surround themselves with riches, and treasures...... but its all they have.
the best things in life are free. like we will be.
Hi Vivek, I noticed on your OP that you mention Rudolf Steiner. I have read about 250 books mainly on his lectures. He didn't write that many books. Maybe about 7. He spoke about Lucifer & Ahriman and said that Lucifer tries to bring the past into the present and that Ahriman tries to bring the future into the present. It is more than 25 years since I read any Steiner, so I am trying to remember what he said. He said that Lucifer who disobeyed God came to Earth and gave mankind his freedom from God. This act of freedom meant that we as humans could choose whether to believe in God or not. Free will in other words. In God's plan as it were we had free will to accept Him as our Creator or not. God, would rather prefer us to come to him with our own free will. A wee bit like allowing our children to have free will to be able to choose to honor us their parents and love us, not because we were ordered to but because we chose to. Sort of thing. If my children choose out of their free will to love me as a parent THAT is worth more than if we threaten them to love us.
Vivek, what have you read of Steiner? If you have read anything please tell us.
Stan
PS. I forgot to mention that Steiner said that if we accept Lucifer on his own or Ahriman on his own we are duped and that is evil. If we recognise both we become healthy individuals.
PPS. Ahriman is Metaphisoles. Lucifer according to Steiner brings the spiritual into the present and Ahriman brings materialism into the present. If we allow both into the present we are in equilibrium.
it is heavy duty stuff when you consider it all.
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Posted by Vivek
isn't it interesting that Lucifer fell because he wanted to be God
and then tricked our first parents to fall like he did
by telling them they would become gods by disobeying God
Christ and Christianity curbed this insane notion of being God for a while
but now it's back like a virus
and because of ego and pride many actually believe it
Moving from speculation more to things that can be observed by everyone....
There is another flaw lying in the opposite direction and people who speak of manifestation should notice this...but don't.
The ego (Lucifer energy) is responsible for lack. Even if there is not apparent lack it will point out something that you don't have in order to make you 'think' you are lacking it : I wish I had big boobs, I wish I had a BMW, I wish 2012 would come, I wish I would ascend,. I wish I were more spiritual.
No one was the least bit troubled about ascending overnight , turning into light bodies on 12-21-2012 until some Ego mind put the thought in their head creating a situation of lack. (I'm not ascended now, I have to wait, something external of me has to happen, some guru has to define the parameters of my spiritual existence.)
We are moving from a fear culture to a lack/want culture which is still fear dressed up a little. .Modern new age no matter how uplifting teaches lack and want nearly every time. If you want something something is wrong with your spirituality; it you don't have it something is wrong with your spirituality . Duality. It's still duality.
What were they troubled about before? Dying and going to hell...lol. This world would be a much more fulfilling place if we had just found out that we weren't' going to die and go to hell and just left it at that.
The problem is there that Lucifernarian energy directs the material world in replication. This is observable.
I've tried and tried but I cannot use my creation ability to create new boots out of thin air. I manifest very well , very productively but its always stuff that has already been created. Money, boots, horses, everything that has come into my life for free this week has already been created. I didn't create anything. I KNOW this, I didn't spin anything out of thin air. I didn't form a bunch of non physical matter and make a bar stool for myself. I have nothing new its all replication--money, furniture, suv, , re-arrangement of things that already exist everywhere. Replicas.
My physical form is the replication of any another female physical form with some details, brown hair, blue eyes, two boobs,etc etc etc. Millions of women across the world resemble me, have the same details even if they don't look precisely like me. am a replicant.
What part of me makes me different? My inner situation, my inner circumstances.
I can create situations and circumstances though. Those are tenuous things, it doesn't require much in the way or material , pre-created things. More of things of a spiritual nature, a sense of peace, contentment, a bumpy road that is traveled smoothly, making a car run when it has no gas, accidentally having some numb nuts court official send me a letter that was meant for my ex so I know what the next set of assholery he is plotting for me, managing to avoid being killed or even harmed everytime a 2000 pound horse decides to fall over on me like a ton of bricks which is like a weekly event these days. What is always present? The material. Not important or even meaningful but always present. What is different? The situation or circumstances.
New situations where pre-created replicants are on the fringe or come in the wake or leave in the wake...on the fringe instead of the focus. The act of creating situations will always have the material on the fringe. You create a new financial situation for yourself and chances are you will either get more money ...or less debt or more debt and less money depending on how much your ego is involved in the process.
But .... That act of creating situations has material constructs in it's wake. Instead of working for replicated money I play for it. One way or the other I still get the money, indeed its hard to avoid regardless if I work or play for it.
In order to create you have to be motivated to create. If you don't want or lack something what motivates you to attempt to create something?. If you have done a lot of ego work and people who do a lot of ego work will express to you that they are less interested in material replicas. Not entirely free of them they just want or lack less mostly because the ego has stopped replicating lack ." Oh god i have everything material imaginable but.... I don't look like Britney Spears." *sob*
the honest ones are content in their material world and don't stress about not having big boob implants and BMW's. They always have exactly what they need or want. The are still amazing content with a size A bra and a twenty year old winter beater. As soon as a little inkling of want is allowed in, they create a circumstance or situation. still Want is not such a motivating energy they are moved to be in a state of percieve lack, but neither are they in a good place to be motivated to create. So even they aren't motivated to create much and what they do create are situations and circumstances that occur within the material or ego dominated world.
A little ego is necessary. Not an ego dragging about a ton of baggage. A little ego will prompt you to step out of the way when you are about to get struck by a bus. A larger expression of spirit can create circumstances and situations as long as the ego is mastered and not bloated and huge with ninety suitcases of **** waiting to be leveraged by our masters of psychology.
People who understand this don't rid themselves entirely of the material because in doing so one puts more importance, meaning and emphasis on it...on the ego who doesn't in the least mind proclaiming how wonderful it is that gets pressure wounds on it's arse from sitting on a bare wood floor meditating all day because it got rid of all that nasty materialistic furniture from Ethan Allan. The ego has made the material more important again no matter how they strive to be pure and free of the material world. You are not free of the material world as long as you are in it. And how swell it is to get rid of all that nastly material furniture to charity so some some poor person could haplessly have all that evil material ****. uhm...nice...lol.
There is no lack of money. There's plenty of money. You can replicate money in a column. The Lucifenarian energies hoard that and stop it up. It just an imbalance because they are afraid.
But on the other side of the coin.....Why are new age people so poor and griping about learning to manifest, they resist money. The want a new system which means they just want a different kind of money. We want gold instead of bills. We want a bartering system where beads and crystals are the new currency. Who the **** wants beads and crystals except for bead and crystal junkies?
Is this any different when clam shells turned into paper dollars. Currency is part of this world. Water currents, wind currents, space currents, you try to get rid of it and you're just going to replicate a reasonable facsimile of it.
Can you make a SMART money system. YES, but trying to stop resisting and fiddling with CURRENCY itself and making situations for money to occur.
We have an ability to create ...situations, circumstances. We can create kids but save for minor details they look just like any other kid. We didn't create we replicated more kids. The miracle of birth! How miraculous is it if it takes place every second or so?
Why is birth a miracle? ...because some ego mind said it was! Is the replicant body of the child you love or....is it the inner situation that you love.
You go into the psyche of some run of the mill ptb power broker (sans the sociopathic ones) and what do you feel. Fear. Why? The ego? Yes. This world is a dualistic world. Becoming ego free will just remove you from this world. It won't change the world into a non dualistic world.
The ptb has backed itself into a corner with this whole New age bull****. It has once again replicated a means of the world's destruction--like Atlantis where everyone was ****ing around with crystals and being so pious and good they destroyed the place with their new age assholery. The powers that be didn' do that; the well intentioned doo gooders did that. History conveniently called them the children of dark, you go back into that time and they were the hippies of their time bumbling around and thinking they new everything because it sounded nice. Nothing has changed I see people like that in this forum daily.
and someone thinks Atlantis hasn't been re-discovered it. WE are creating the same situation now.
Let me ask you this though. You give a skeptic, a non believer, a scoffer of such notions such as our new age exists today, a crystal. Then give one to some new age dumb ass. Which one is going to immediately going to start fiddling with it to see what it will do and attaching a lot of importance to a material object and start unraveling out its ability to amplify?
one guess.
Sure thing. My concern is where the notion of man is God comes from. I completely understand the extrapolation of this belief from Christ's message as well as from a Vedantic standpoint (and even New Ageist).Quote:
Posted by TargeTYou keep saying this like it's clear, or apparent that "we" cannot be "god" or be defined as "god".Quote:
Posted by Vivek
I do not see how this is the case, I've dug into Satanism as a part of my light theology study & came to the conclusion that it is a separatist, dualistic, "individualist" ideology & as yin needs yang Satan needs god, so two sides to the same coin (as it were...).
anyway, my point is why are you leaning on this "man as god" idea (maybe to help prove your point?), I have assumptions (but those are often wrong) & would like you to expand on it if you would.
Thanks
What makes me want to look at the idea closer is the underpinnings of it's derivation especially in regards to New Ageist philosophies and Luciferianism.
The ascensionist movement as it is today resulted explicitly from channeled material. Here are some important names regarding it's roots and propagation:
H. P. Blavatsky
Aleister Crowley
Frater Achad
J. J. Hurtak
Undoubtedly I have left some out, the research is ongoing.
Now, apotheosis has been around as long as there has been mystery schools and the oldest spiritual texts, the Vedas (Albert Pike translated the Rig-Veda by the way, interesting side note) bore yoga which is all about union with the Godhead and all that jazz.
What I am talking about is the spiritual evolution of conciousness towards becoming God as professed by Ascentionism today.
We are human beings, we have a soul, we have a spirit, and the Earth is our home.
What we have currently is people channeling entities of "higher authorities" claiming that we are on the precipice of a New Age in which we take the next step in evolution and ascend to higher states of existence. Some of these entities claim to be us in the future in-as-much as they were once like us x-amount of years ago and they went through this whole process as well. Now they are here to play mid-wive for mankind to enter the galactic community or the next plane up in conciousness.
I think these are all dangerous notions. Very enticing though, in many ways. It's like a poisonous rose.
The motifs in Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke are very insightful to this effect (not to mention Project Blue Beam, The Stargate Conspiracy, and Project Enoch).
It is my "belief" that Lucifer, as a concerted entity with an agenda, has successfully infiltrated all aspects of society (religion, science, media, alternative, government, etc.). It is also my belief that the Bible and Jesus Christ is the go-to authority on countering his influence. What the church has done with the Bible and Christianity is not my point nor does it take away from the validity in these claims. I honestly do not know why, I am looking into it and I have my speculations, but the Jesus Christ of the New Testament is vital and key in all of this. I am not preaching, so take it for what you will.
TargeT, if you would like to know more about my more personal stances and speculations feel free to PM me.
Luciferianism: The Religion of Apotheosis - by Phillip D. Collins ©, Jan. 10th, 2006
Luciferianism constitutes the nucleus of the ruling class religion. While there are definitely political and economic rationales for elite criminality, Luciferianism can account for the longevity of many of the oligarchs' projects. Many of the longest and most brutal human endeavors have been underpinned by some form of religious zealotry. The Crusades testify to this historical fact. Likewise, the power elite's ongoing campaign to establish a socialist totalitarian global government has Luciferianism to thank for both its longevity and frequently violent character. In the mind of the modern oligarch, Luciferianism provides religious legitimacy for otherwise morally questionable plans.
Luciferianism is the product of religious engineering, which sociologist William Sims Bainbridge defines as "the conscious, systematic, skilled creation of a new religion" ("New Religions, Science, and Secularization," no pagination). In actuality, this is a tradition that even precedes Bainbridge. It has been the practice of Freemasonry for years. It was also the practice of Masonry's religious and philosophical progenitors, the ancient pagan Mystery cults. The inner doctrines of the Mesopotamian secret societies provided the theological foundations for the Christian and Judaic heresies, Kabbalism and Gnosticism. All modern Luciferian philosophy finds "scientific" legitimacy in the Gnostic myth of Darwinism. As evolutionary thought was popularized, variants of Luciferianism were popularized along with it (particularly in the form of secular humanism, which shall be examined shortly). A historical corollary of this popularization has been the rise of several cults and mass movements, exemplified by the various mystical sects and gurus of the sixties counterculture. The metastasis of Luciferian thinking continues to this very day.
Luciferianism represents a radical revaluation of humanity's ageless adversary: Satan. It is the ultimate inversion of good and evil. The formula for this inversion is reflected by the narrative paradigm of the Gnostic Hypostasis myth. As opposed to the original Biblical version, the Gnostic account represents a "revaluation of the Hebraic story of the first man's temptation, the desire of mere men to 'be as gods' by partaking of the tree of the 'knowledge of good and evil'" (Raschke 26). Carl Raschke elaborates:
According to this bowdlerization, Adam is consistently contacted by the High God in hopes of reinitiating man's quest for gnosis (26). The archons intervene and create Eve to distract Adam from the pursuit of gnosis (26-27). However, this Gnostic Eve is actually a "sort of 'undercover' agent for the High God, who is charged with divulging to Adam the truth that has been withheld from him" (27). The archons manage to sabotage this covert operation by facilitating sexual intercourse between Adam and Eve, an act that Gnostics contend was designed to defile the "woman's spiritual nature" (27). At this juncture, the Hypostasis reintroduces a familiar antagonist from the original Genesis account:In The Hypostasis of the Archons, an Egyptian Gnostic document, we read how the traditional story of man's disobedience toward God is reinterpreted as a universal conflict between "knowledge" (gnosis) and the dark "powers" (exousia) of the world, which bind the human soul in ignorance. The Hypostasis describes man as a stepchild of Sophia ("Wisdom") created according to the "model" of aion, the imperishable realm of eternity. On the other hand, it is neither God the Imperishable nor Sophia who actually is responsible in the making of man. On the contrary, the task is undertaken by the archons, the demonic powers who, because of their "weakness," entrap man in a material body and thus cut him off from his blessed origin. They place him in paradise and enjoin him against eating of the tree of knowledge. The prohibition, however, is viewed by the author of the text not as a holy command but as a malignant effort on the part of the inferior spirits to prevent Adam from having true communion with the High God, from gaining authentic gnosis. (26)
The serpent successfully entices Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden fruit, but the "bodily defilement" of the woman prevents man from understanding the true motive underpinning the act (27). Thus, humanity is fettered by the archons' "curse", suggesting that the "orthodox theological view of the violation of the command as 'sin' must be regarded anew as the mindless failure to commit the act rightly in the first place" (27). In this revisionist context, the serpent is no longer Satan, but is an "incognito savior" instead (27). Meanwhile, God's role as benevolent Heavenly Father is vilified:But now the principle of feminine wisdom reappears in the form of the serpent, called the "Instructor," who tells the mortal pair to defy the prohibition of the archons and eat of the tree of knowledge. (27)
Of course, within this Gnostic narrative, God incarnate is equally belittled. Jesus Christ, the Word made flesh, is reduced to little more than a forerunner of the coming Gnostic adept. According to the Gnostic mythology, Jesus was but a mere "type" of this perfect man (27). He came as a "teacher and an exemplar, to show others the path to illumination" (27-28). The true messiah has yet to come. Equally, the serpent is only a precursor to this messiah. He only initiates man's journey towards gnosis. The developmental voyage must be further facilitated by the serpent's predecessor, the Gnostic Christ. The Hypostasis provides the paradigmatic template for all Luciferian mythologies.The God of Genesis, who comes to reprimand Adam and Eve after their transgression, is rudely caricatured in this tale as the "Arrogant archon" who opposes the will of the authentic heavenly father. (27)
Like the Hypostasis, the binary opposition of Luciferian mythology caricatures Jehovah as an oppressive tyrant. He becomes the "archon of arrogance," the embodiment of ignorance and religious superstition. Satan, who retains his heavenly title of Lucifer, is the liberator of humanity. Masonry, which acts as the contemporary retainer for the ancient Mystery religion, reconceptualizes Satan in a similar fashion. In Morals and Dogma, 33rd degree Freemason Albert Pike candidly exalts the fallen angel:
He makes man aware of his own innate divinity and promises to unlock the god within us all. This theme of apotheosis underpinned both Gnosticism and the pagan Mystery religions. While Gnosticism's origins with the Ancient Mystery cults remains a source of contention amongst scholars, its promises of liberation from humanity's material side is strongly akin to the old pagan Mystery's variety of "psychic therapy" (28). In addition, the Ancient Mystery religion promised the:LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not. (321)
Like some varieties of Satanism, Luciferianism does not depict the devil as a literal metaphysical entity. Lucifer only symbolizes the cognitive powers of man. He is the embodiment of science and reason. It is the Luciferian's religious conviction that these two facilitative forces will dethrone God and apotheosize man. It comes as little surprise that the radicals of the early revolutionary faith celebrated the arrival of Darwinism. Evolutionary theory was the edifying "science" of Promethean zealotry and the new secular religion of the scientific dictatorship. According to Masonic scholar Wilmshurst, the completion of human evolution involves man "becoming a god-like being and unifying his consciousness with the Omniscient" (94).opportunity to erase the curse of mortality by direct encounter with the patron deity, or in many instances by actually undergoing an apotheosis, a transfiguration of human into divine (28).
During the Enlightenment, Luciferianism was disseminated on the popular level as secular humanism. All of the governing precepts of Luciferianism are encompassed by secular humanism. This is made evident by the philosophy's rejection of theistic morality and enthronement of man as his own absolute moral authority. While Luciferianism has no sacred texts, Humanist Manifesto I and II succinctly delineate its central tenets. Whittaker Chambers, former member of the communist underground in America, eloquently summarizes this truth:
Transhumanism offers an updated, hi-tech variety of Luciferianism. The appellation "Transhumanism" was coined by evolutionary biologist Julian Huxley ("Transhumanism," Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, no pagination). Huxley defined the transhuman condition as "man remaining man, but transcending himself, by realizing new possibilities of and for his human nature" (no pagination). However, by 1990, Dr. Max More would radically redefine Transhumanism as follows:"Humanism is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of Creation under the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil: 'Ye shall be as gods.'" (Qutd. in Baker 206)
Transhumanism advocates the use of nanotechnology, biotechnology, cognitive science, and information technology to propel humanity into a "posthuman" condition. Once he has arrived at this condition, man will cease to be man. He will become a machine, immune to death and all the other "weaknesses" intrinsic to his former human condition. The ultimate objective is to become a god. Transhumanism is closely aligned with the cult of artificial intelligence. In the very influential book The Age of Spiritual Machines, AI high priest Ray Kurzweil asserts that technological immortality could be achieved through magnetic resonance imaging or some technique of reading and replicating the human brain's neural structure within a computer ("Technological Immortality," no pagination). Through the merger of computers and humans, Kurzweil believes that man will "become god-like spirits inhabiting cyberspace as well as the material universe" (no pagination).Transhumanism is a class of philosophies that seek to guide us towards a posthuman condition. Transhumanism shares many elements of humanism, including a respect for reason and science, a commitment to progress, and a valuing of human (or transhuman) existence in this life… Transhumanism differs from humanism in recognizing and anticipating the radical alterations in the nature and possibilities of our lives resulting from various sciences and technologies… (No pagination)
Following the Biblical revisionist tradition of the Gnostic Hypostasis myth, Transhumanists invert the roles of God and Satan. In an essay entitled "In Praise of the Devil," Transhumanist ideologue Max More depicts Lucifer as a heroic rebel against a tyrannical God:
According to More, Lucifer probably exiled himself out of moral outrage towards the oppressive Jehovah:The Devil—Lucifer—is a force for good (where I define 'good' simply as that which I value, not wanting to imply any universal validity or necessity to the orientation). 'Lucifer' means 'light-bringer' and this should begin to clue us in to his symbolic importance. The story is that God threw Lucifer out of Heaven because Lucifer had started to question God and was spreading dissension among the angels. We must remember that this story is told from the point of view of the Godists (if I may coin a term) and not from that of the Luciferians (I will use this term to distinguish us from the official Satanists with whom I have fundamental differences). The truth may just as easily be that Lucifer resigned from heaven. (No pagination)
More proceeds to reiterate 33rd Degree Mason Albert Pike's depiction of Lucifer:God, being the well-documented sadist that he is, no doubt wanted to keep Lucifer around so that he could punish him and try to get him back under his (God's) power. Probably what really happened was that Lucifer came to hate God's kingdom, his sadism, his demand for slavish conformity and obedience, his psychotic rage at any display of independent thinking and behavior. Lucifer realized that he could never fully think for himself and could certainly not act on his independent thinking so long as he was under God's control. Therefore he left Heaven, that terrible spiritual-State ruled by the cosmic sadist Jehovah, and was accompanied by some of the angels who had had enough courage to question God's authority and his value-perspective. (No pagination)
Lucifer is even considered a patron saint by some Transhumanists ("Transtopian Symbolism," no pagination). Transhumanism retains the paradigmatic character of Luciferianism, albeit in a futurist context. Worse still, Transhumanism is hardly some marginalized cult. Richard Hayes, executive director of the Center for Genetics and Society, elaborates:Lucifer is the embodiment of reason, of intelligence, of critical thought. He stands against the dogma of God and all other dogmas. He stands for the exploration of new ideas and new perspectives in the pursuit of truth. (No pagination)
With a growing body of academic luminaries and a techno-eugenical vision for the future, Transhumanism is carrying the banner of Luciferianism into the 21st century. Through genetic engineering and biotechnological augmentation of the physical body, Transhumanists are attempting to achieve the very same objective of their patron saint.Last June at Yale University, the World Transhumanist Association held its first national conference. The Transhumanists have chapters in more than 20 countries and advocate the breeding of "genetically enriched" forms of "post-human" beings. Other advocates of the new techno-eugenics, such as Princeton University professor Lee Silver, predict that by the end of this century, "All aspects of the economy, the media, the entertainment industry, and the knowledge industry [will be] controlled by members of the GenRich class. . .Naturals [will] work as low-paid service providers or as laborers. . ." (No pagination)
This declaration reflects the aspirations of the power elite as well. Whatever form the Luciferian religion assumes throughout the years, its goal remains the same: Apotheosis.I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. (Isaiah 14:13-14)
Source: http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Com...iferianism.htm
Aiwass, Horus
Pasted from: http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Aiwass
The Book of the Law is the central holy book of Thelema. Aiwass is the figure who is said to have dictated the work to Aleister Crowley on the three days of the writing of The Book of the Law in 1904. Details of these events are given in The Equinox of the Gods chapter 7.
It is impossible to discuss Aiwass without referring to The Book of the Law for it is through that work that we learn the nature of Aiwass. It is certain that Liber AL is written in a style wholely uncharacteristic of Crowley. Careful study of the work has revealed that it is filled with many qabalistic keys and other mysteries, many of which are still unsolved today. These puzzles accompanied with the hurried pace of Crowley's pen make it almost certain that the work comes from some form of higher intelligence communicating the message of the new aeon through Crowley. That intelligence is Aiwass.
Aiwass claims to be the minister of Hoor-paar-kraat, a god the ancient egyptians knew as Harpocrates. Harpocrates is a form of the god Horus depicted as an innocent child. His mother is Nut, or Nuit in Liber AL. This atribution further emphasizes the role of Aiwass in delivering the word of the crowned and conquering child.
Aleister Crowley believed Aiwass to have been one of the Secret Chiefs of the A.'.A.'. Crowley also eventually considered Aiwass to be his own Holy Guardian Angel.
9eagle9 mentions "The ego (Lucifer energy) is responsible for lack."
It is true. I havn't seen an actual entity that can be called Lucifer (in my time in the ether....vision type work). Or any entity that would fit that description. Yes....lots of negative energy, implants and what not abound. But if we are to undo our personal programming, we need to start getting more accurate with our discussions. I am just saying....take on too big a project and fail. But start with simpler concepts and ideas and we got a fighting chance of success.
...random thoughts...
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ps: I am just waiting for someone to say "hey, I got it ...god doesn't exist".
And someone else come in and say, "hey, I just realized/had intuition within...that the devil doesn't exist either".
And someone else says, "Well gee, I just got...."
and so on.
Little steps means big changes.
Once we get that we are alone, there are no demons (anymore), we can move forward. But if we keep using the Church's rhetoric, we stay in their mental prison of conditioning.
We arn't free yet....getting there.
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update June 15th
Last week I did encounter foreign energy that I deemed satanic, ie. demon seed.
It wasn't where I thought it should be (it was in a person I adore much). ...this energy signature.
Reality is getting all messed up, in my view. Wonder how it turns out? (from Jim Carrey's film "The Truman Show".
Hi Vivek,Quote:
Posted by VivekHello, and thanks for the response, but nearly everthing you just wrote is saturated in New Ageist beliefs with some Vedantist seasoning as well (only a pinch though); Luciferian influences haven't infiltrated the New Age movement, they created it.Quote:
Posted by enfoldedblue
What they want is a One World Government and a One World Religion/Spiritual Paradigm. Yes, they help to stir up conflict so that when the New System is fed to us a spoonful at a time we accept it willingly as we are so tired of the old seemingly unmanageable system. Adam Weishaupt actaully outlined this very thing concerning government. (I will dig up the quote again and insert it, I currently have dozens of pages open right now so it'll take me a minute).
Albeit Weishaupt has some extremely controversial quotes and is shrouded in conspiracy, I believe Baron von Knigge is the man to pay attention to concerning the genisis of Theosophical ideals being injected into Freemasonry and priming it's eventual philosophical integration with modern day Theosophy and the New Ageist belief systems.
while you say that my beliefs are new age, with a touch vedic, that may be the case...but my beliefs come from my exploration within, not from any external agency.The inner path I walk leads me towards deeper love in all aspects of my life. I nourish the beauty in my world and watch it thrive...that is what is important to me...and that is how I see real change occuring.
Not sure why you felt the need to emphasise that the New Age was created as I said the same thing in my post "Some people however are naturally drawn towards magic and mysticism and for these people the “New Age Movement” has been created"
My point was that there are many truths burried within the New age info...along with a heap of crap to distort and miss-inform seekers. Because I have found my truth within I feel I can wade through through the BS, and recognize the gems when I see them. This works for me, and my process has led me to profound transformation within.
We are all such amazingly diverse creatures and have different ways of learning and growing. I am glad you found something that feels right to you.
Enjoy your journey :)...I know I sure am enjoying mine.
also.... SATAN...opps I mean Stan...that cracked me up LOL
xx
If your 'belief's came from within they would not be beliefs but 'knowing'.
Some people go within and find a belief imbedded in consciousness.
How do you know that belief was not implanted there by an external source?
Some people go within and find awareness that provides knowing.
The very act of intuition means that one knows, not that one believes.
How are you to know the difference?
This is where we really begin to find out about God.
"How do you know that belief was not implanted there by an external source? "
Furthermore, how do we distinguish any 'illusion' form the timeline flowing past.
Or if the time line comes channeled?
Just add water, yup, use discernment. Don't try everything at home.
As to the name list in the OP-- Here is a recent interview with Peter Levenda (remarkable researcher) by Gary Null
http://prn.fm/2012/05/07/progressive...y-hour-050712/
Mostly covers "The Rat line"which concerns the advancement of Nazi war criminals, (after WWII). Also the weird connections of 1950s through 1970s.
An interesting section covers Scientology, Hubbard and Crowley. Also Pat Robinson, etc... & Bildenburgs, credit to Alex Jones.... All in one show. Jamb packed hour is here.
It was not my intention to offend, I hope you did not take it that way. I realized this was going to be a difficult thread to engage based on the fact that it smacks of some sort of dogmatic Christian stubborness while claiming "the devil did it" for anything lacking a "salvationist mindset" or requiring one to step outside of the Bible. Those are the tactics of people who are unprepared to fight in this information war, and the purpose of this thread is in part preparation (for me at least).Quote:
Posted by enfoldedblueHi Vivek,Quote:
Posted by VivekHello, and thanks for the response, but nearly everthing you just wrote is saturated in New Ageist beliefs with some Vedantist seasoning as well (only a pinch though); Luciferian influences haven't infiltrated the New Age movement, they created it.Quote:
Posted by enfoldedblue
What they want is a One World Government and a One World Religion/Spiritual Paradigm. Yes, they help to stir up conflict so that when the New System is fed to us a spoonful at a time we accept it willingly as we are so tired of the old seemingly unmanageable system. Adam Weishaupt actaully outlined this very thing concerning government. (I will dig up the quote again and insert it, I currently have dozens of pages open right now so it'll take me a minute).
Albeit Weishaupt has some extremely controversial quotes and is shrouded in conspiracy, I believe Baron von Knigge is the man to pay attention to concerning the genisis of Theosophical ideals being injected into Freemasonry and priming it's eventual philosophical integration with modern day Theosophy and the New Ageist belief systems.
while you say that my beliefs are new age, with a touch vedic, that may be the case...but my beliefs come from my exploration within, not from any external agency.The inner path I walk leads me towards deeper love in all aspects of my life. I nourish the beauty in my world and watch it thrive...that is what is important to me...and that is how I see real change occuring.
Not sure why you felt the need to emphasise that the New Age was created as I said the same thing in my post "Some people however are naturally drawn towards magic and mysticism and for these people the “New Age Movement” has been created"
My point was that there are many truths burried within the New age info...along with a heap of crap to distort and miss-inform seekers. Because I have found my truth within I feel I can wade through through the BS, and recognize the gems when I see them. This works for me, and my process has led me to profound transformation within.
We are all such amazingly diverse creatures and have different ways of learning and growing. I am glad you found something that feels right to you.
Enjoy your journey :)...I know I sure am enjoying mine.
also.... SATAN...opps I mean Stan...that cracked me up LOL
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Lucifer is inextricably linked to the Bible and therefore Jesus Christ.
In a nutshell, Lucifer is at the head of the "Ascended Masters" that Blavatsky channeled. Blavatsky is responsible for the modern day Theosophical movement. The idealogies of that movement are now synonymous, and in bed with, the philosophies of Freemasonry and the Illuminati. The extensive membership of the two latter groups are in no small way controlling the planet (by that I mean all major facets of society around the world).
Thelema, as a movement, was created by Aleister Crowley. It's inspiration was channeled by Crowley from an entity he called Aiwass. Guess who that is? Aiwass is the minister of Hoor-paar-kraat/Harpocrates which represents Horus the child. I'm speculating here, but Horus is the son of Isis and Osirus who were the last two gods of the aeons to rule over the world. These are archons. The Bible says that Jesus Christ is the True Son of God, so Horus would represent the false son of the gods (Isis and Osirus) or the anti-christ. He will in some form or fashion, to usher in the New Age - the age of Aquarius, or the aeon of Horus. Part of this thread will expound on this in particular, but it ties into the Book of Revalation and archontic influences. These archontic influences relate to Egyptian mythology which plays a fundamental role in the occultic philosophies of these secret societies. It's hard not to keep writing on this, but I am crunched for time right now.
Lucifer is the Father of Lies, and donning such a title he epitomizes selfish ambition. He's not going to abruptly high-jack the minds of wo/men with an overtly evil aura. He is a fallen angel, he will convince wo/man to see things his way. There is no evil, transend this mindset, God is everything, all is ultimately one, and you are God (continuing with this logic one finds that truth and morality are relative, something I have advocated and written about).
In my opinion, this is the coup de e'tat of the True spirit of God by the ego; the same ego that wants to high-jack what God has given us and pervert it to exploit it's essence in order to become a God itself (alien abductions, genetic engineering, nephilim). It's so cunning, so clever, and so self-righteous that it's palatable, and not only that, it's delicious, like the first bite of that sweet apple.
Yes, the New Age movement has been created - by Lucifer.
I would like to add that I believe the Bible is flawed (convoluted might be a better word), but Jesus Christ is not.
Part Fifteen: The Coming Nephilim
Looking back at Genesis 6:4 we recall that the text said ”The Nephilim were on the earth […]when the sons of God were having sexual relations with the daughters of humankind, who gave birth to their children,” (Genesis 6:4 NET). We know that we are in the days like Noah’s because what was happening then is happening now. Just as the fallen angels took women and engendered children by them, so too is this happening today. Demons, who are masquerading as “aliens”, are in fact taking people to create Nephilim hybrids, just like in the days of Noah. This phenomenon has been documented by numerous researchers working with thousands of people who claim that they were abducted and were exploited for their ovum or sperm.
Dr. Jacques F. Vallée is an important voice in the study of UFO’s. Professionally, he has worked a lot on the development of the Internet and is the author of many books on Information Technology. However, he has done a great deal of research in the area of “aliens” and UFOs also. Back in 1975 he offered some potential reasons why the “entities” may be abducting people though the exact reason remained elusive to him. He states:
In order to materialize and take definite form, these entities seem to require a source of energy […] a living thing […] a human medium. Our sciences have not reached a point where they can offer us any kind of working hypothesis for this process. But we can speculate that these beings need living energy which they can reconstruct into physical form. Perhaps that is why dogs and animals tend to vanish in flap areas. Perhaps the living cells of those animals are somehow used by the ultraterrestrials to create forms which we can see and sense with our limited perceptions.[i]
In his book Dimensions he ponders: “Are these races only semi-human, so that in order to maintain contact with us, they need crossbreeding with men and women of our planet?”[ii] He also observes the hostile element of the abductions in his book Confrontations:
The ‘medical examination’ to which abductees are said to be subjected, often accompanied by sadistic sexual manipulation, is reminiscent of the medieval tales of encounters with demons. It makes no sense in a sophisticated or technical framework: any intelligent being equipped with the scientific marvels that UFOs possess would be in a position to achieve any of these alleged scientific objectives in a shorter time and with fewer risks.[iii]
The symbolic display seen by the abductees is identical to the type of initiation ritual or astral voyage that is imbedded in the [occult] traditions of every culture […] the structure of abduction stories is identical to that of occult initiation rituals […] the UFO beings of today belong to the same class of manifestation as the [occult] entities that were described in centuries past.[iv]
John Mack
Harvard University Professor of Psychiatry, John Mack, discussed in an interviewed with NOVA how he came to his conclusions about so called “alien” abductions from a clinical position. He did not start his investigations as a “believer” but came to see that the only satisfactory explanation for the experiences that people were having was that non-human creatures or “aliens” were taking them against their will. Mack is an excellent witness because he has non-religious motivations. He also has a tremendous amount of reputation at stake. Becoming a so called believer in the “alien” abduction phenomenon is not something that Ivy League professors generally want to do. The Dean of Harvard was so concerned about Mack’s endeavors that he appointed a committee of peers to critique Mack’s case but they could find no fault with him. They then issued a statement that Dr. Mack “remains a member in good standing of the Harvard Faculty of Medicine.”[v]
Thus we have first rate testimony from a man who did his best to disprove the abduction phenomenon. He states that he simply had little place in his mind to accept or take seriously the idea that there were “other” worldly beings that could have a physical effect on our world. As a result he worked hard to try to find a different conclusion other than that of alien abductions. He states in the NOVA interview that he: “came very reluctantly to the conclusion that this was a true mystery.”[vi] He also notes that he did everything he could: “to rule out other sources, or sexual abuse,” (all subsequent quotations from Mack are from the NOVA interview).[vii]
Dr. Mack has worked with well over one hundred “experiencers” intensively, which involved an initial two-hour screening interview. He notes how he has been impressed “with the consistency of the story, the sincerity with which people tell their stories, the power of feelings connected with this, the self-doubt—all the appropriate responses that these people have to their experiences.” As a former skeptic himself, Dr. Mack notes that there are aspects of the abduction phenomenon which we are justified in taking literally: “UFOs are in fact observed, filmed on camera at the same time that people are having their abduction experiences.” Mack also says that he is convinced that aliens are creatures from a distant planet and does not consider them to be demons as we have discovered in our study. He does, however, believe there is a spiritual dimension to the abductions.
People, in fact, have been observed to be missing at the time that they are reporting their abduction experiences. They return from their experiences with cuts, ulcers on their bodies, triangular lesions, which follow the distribution of the experiences that they recover, of what was done to them in the craft by the surgical-like activity of these beings.
All of that has a literal physical aspect and is experienced and reported with appropriate feeling, by the abductees, with or without hypnosis or a relaxation exercise.
It’s both literally, physically happening to a degree; and it’s also some kind of psychological, spiritual experience occurring and originating perhaps in another dimension.
He discusses the various phenomena that occur when someone undergoes an encounter. He notes that “a blue light or some kind of energy paralyzes the person, whether they’re in their home or they’re driving a car. They can’t move.”
They feel themselves being removed from wherever they were. They floated through a wall or out a car, carried up on this beam of light into a craft and there subjected to a number of now familiar procedures which involve the beings staring at them; involves probing of their body, their body orifices; and a complex process whereby they sense in the case of men, sperm removed; in the women, eggs removed; some sort of hybrid offspring created which they’re brought back to see in later abductions.
He states the harvesting of eggs and sperm is to bring about some hybrid species which will carry human evolution forward:
To produce some kind of new species to bring us together to produce a hybrid species which—the abductees are sometimes told—will populate the earth or will be there to carry evolution forward, after the human race has completed what it is now doing, namely the destruction of the earth as a living system. So it’s a kind of later form. It’s an awkward coming together of a less embodied species than we are, and us, for this evolutionary purpose. […]
it may be that these hybrids we’re told is what will have to be. It’s a kind of insurance policy if the earth continues to be subjected to the exploitation of its living environment to the point where it can’t sustain human and other life as it’s now occurring.
We must note the mention of evolution because evolution is what will drive man to desire to become greater through changing his own DNA – a concept that we shall discuss in the next chapter.
Mack also discussed how those who report to have been abducted are shown cataclysmic events on large television screens. The cataclysms are the same type of propaganda that we see in the movies and the same dire messages that the new age channellers have been receiving.
People are shown on television screens a huge variety of scenes of environmental destruction of the earth polluted; of a kind of post-apocalyptic scene in which even the spirits have been routed from their environment because they live in the same physical and spiritual environment that we do; and canyons are shown with trees destroyed; pieces of the earth are seen as breaking away—portions of the East Coast or West Coast. […] These experiences often occur in literal consciousness. Not in a hypnogogic or dreamlike state. The person may be in their bedroom quite wide awake. The beings show up. And there they are and the experience begins. That they’re not occurring in any dreamlike state.
Mack stresses that any theory that would explain these claims as a purely mental or psyche (from the brain) experience, must explain the following factors:
Mack continues by stating: “I didn’t believe anything when I started, I do not really believe anything now. I’ve come to where I’ve come to clinically. In other words, I worked with people over hundreds and hundreds of hours and have done as careful a job as I could to listen, to sift out, to consider alternative explanations.” He continues: “No one has found an alternative explanation in a single abduction case.”-The extreme consistency of the stories from person to person, which you would not get simply by stimulating the temporal lobes.
-There is no ordinary experiential basis for this. In other words, there’s nothing in their life experience that could have given rise to this, other than what they say.
-The physical aspects: the cuts and the other lesions on their bodies.
-The tight association with UFOs, which are often observed in the community, by the media, independent of the person having the abduction experience, who may not have seen the UFO at all, but reads or sees on the television the next day that a UFO passed near where they were when they had an abduction experience.
What is further confirmation for Mack is that this phenomenon is not just occurring in the United States but is happening worldwide. He states that it has been happening among the Native Americans, people in South Africa, Brazil and Malaysia. His professional research is alarming and yet consistent with Bible prophecy.
David M. Jacobs
Another person who has committed his career to investigating the abduction phenomenon is Dr. David M. Jacobs. He is a professor at Temple University and is the author of several books. He has spent more than thirty years investigating “alien” abductions. He has performed nearly 900 hypnotic regressions with over 140 abductees. During most of that time, he was quite upbeat about the prospect of “aliens” visiting the planet. Recently, however, he was able to put the pieces together and has come to a startling conclusion. The “aliens” are not merely conducting experiments but have a plan to create hybrids from themselves and us (a conclusion also suggested by Dr. Mack). Dr. Jacobs is not a Christian and so his conclusions are not influenced by the Bible, yet they reflect what the Bible has predicted. We must keep in mind that he truly believes that the entities are not demonic but visitors from another world. What the Bible has predicted concerning the days of Noah he has discovered independently of the Bible – just like Dr. Mack.
Interview with David Jacobs on his book “The Threat"
Dr. Jacobs’ testimony, given in a 2003 interview with Sean Casteel,[viii] profoundly demonstrates the demonic events that are happening in our day. Dr. Jacobs shared how in all the years that he had studied the “alien” phenomenon, he had never, until then, been pessimistic about the future prospects of what the “aliens” hope to do but that he despaired concerning what he had discovered.
I’ve been involved with UFO research for about 32 years now, since about 1965, and I have never been downcast or depressed about the phenomenon. I have never been pessimistic about it. But I must say that now that I’ve learned as much as I have learned […] I am very, very unsettled and upset by what I see. I do not like what I see. I wish I didn’t see this. I wish I hadn’t uncovered this. I despair of it. It’s thrown me into a tremendous sense of concern about the future and unease. […] I do not want to be this way. […] I could not have ever imagined that I would come to this position, (all subsequent quotes from Dr. Jacobs are from the 2003 interview, emphasis mine).
He notes that the “aliens” are not here to simply examine us but they have a program, which is in its last phase, to create a hybrid race and how, because the phenomenon is worldwide, all humans will become second class citizens.
And the program ultimately is not abducting people. Abductions, you have to remember, are a means to an end. They’re abducting people for a purpose, for a reason. The physical act of abducting people, which is the abduction phenomenon, really is only part of the program. […] So what we have here is an abduction program, a breeding program, which accounts for all the reproductive activity that we see, and a hybridization program, which is why people see hybrids all the time–as babies, as toddlers, as adolescents, and then as adults.
And then, finally, I think all this is leading to an integration program in which ultimately these hybrids, who look very human, will be integrating into this society. And who will eventually, I assume, be in control here because they do have superior technology and superior physiological abilities that we do not have. We would therefore be sort of second-class citizens, I think.
Now, I find this to be very disturbing. […] I know that people feel it’s positive and it’s wonderful, and they’re here to help us. But in the cases that I’ve investigated, very carefully, very thoroughly, for a very long time, I have not had people discuss that. When people discuss the future, generally speaking, they are discussing this integration program that they’re confronting, and we’re all confronting.
As you know, the UFO and abduction phenomena is very, very widespread. And people have seen tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of UFOs around the world for a long time now, at least through the 20th Century, and certainly since 1947.
Jacobs notes another disconcerting aspect is that the “aliens”, who we recall are demons in disguise, are trying to keep their hybrid activities a secret. “They do not want us to know what they’re doing. They do not want us to interfere. This is a consciously-arrived-at and successful secrecy program to prevent us from knowing.” He also comments that one doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist to see what is happening, though admittedly, he himself did not realize the implications until he put the pieces together.
It’s been worldwide with millions of people for 50 years. Day in, day out, 24 hours a day. […] Why they would want to do it in the first place? What’s the point? We do not really know that. But I think this is certainly a hypothetical answer to the UFO puzzle. I think pretty much we’ve answered it […] and therefore I think we’re looking at a very difficult future.
Jacobs then discusses the “Disaster Scenario that abductees keep talking about over and over again,” which he and others had heard about for years. He confesses that he personally is not sure whether they will be a disaster or not but something ”the aliens and abductees call ‘The Change,’ is going to take place.” The cataclysms that are mentioned are “all sorts of disaster scenarios, which includes atomic war. It includes asteroids hitting the earth. It includes floods, plagues, famine, whatever. It’s sort of a generalized disaster […] I do not think the specifics are all that important, but the idea of a disaster is the most important thing.”
Jacobs summarizes the interview with the awful sense of dread that he is experiencing: “I’ve spent my entire adult life studying this subject intensely. […] And I’ve never really felt the despair I feel now that I think that we’ve broken it open and we’re looking at it and examining it. And it’s just not what I expected. It’s not what anybody expected.” [ix]
If we summarize Jacob’s main points, we note the following:
-People are taken
-Sperm and ova are being harvested
-People are constantly told of impending disasters
-The beings will be with us and over us
-They are currently mingling with us
-They do not have good intentions
-Jacobs is not a believer in the Bible and yet he has discovered and documented phenomena which the Bible prophesizes. Mack and Jacobs have both documented that the abduction phenomenon is worldwide and thanks to an Israeli reporter we know that it is happening in Israel as well.
The Giants Return to Israel
Israeli author and reporter Barry Chamish, in his book Return of the Giants, has documented how strange, rather unexplainable phenomena have been occurring in Israel as early as 1980 (all of the quotations below are from his book.). Well over a dozen “alien” visitations have been reported and even sightings of demons have been reported by a number of Arabs.[x] He states: “of the seven best documented close encounters with alien beings probably connected to UFOs, six involved giants. These giants were determined to leave evidence of their arrival in the form of cadmium-imbued landing circles, miles of impossible boot tracks and deliberate communication with witnesses.” Chamish believes that the giants people are seeing are related to the biblical Nephilim, Anakim and Rephaim.
While serving in the Israeli Air Force in the Sinai Peninsula, Chamish and Private Adam Reuter were witness to strange lights in the sky that continued for three months. Both men had been trained to identify all kinds of aircraft and to recognize satellites. Chamish recalls: “What we were seeing was nothing like anything taught in our skywatching classes.” The unexplainable objects he says were “highflying, soundless dots in the upper atmosphere that flew in squadrons, stopped in the middle of their flight, joined together then split off in different directions and turned at impossible angles.”
Many other sightings were to follow his and after some time of examining the physical evidence and interviewing other witnesses, Chamish came to the conclusion that what has been happening in Israel is unique. He notes: “the giants thoughtfully chose reliable contactees as witnesses, allowed their craft to be filmed and left in their wake ample physical evidence. In fact, what characterizes the current Israeli UFO wave from others in the world, is the sheer abundance of physical evidence left behind by the visitors.”
One witness of an “alien” visitation is Shosh Yahud who “awoke to see a seven foot, round faced being in silvery overalls circling her bed as if ‘floating on his shoes.’ The creature assured her he was not there to harm her and she became relaxed. After a few minutes the being floated through her wall outside.” She relates how she thought the whole thing was a dream until she looked out her window only find “a 4.5 meter crop circle in her backyard [comprised of] silicon and cadmium.”
Another witness is Ada, a medical electronics technician, from Kfar Saba which is where several unidentified flying objects were recorded on video. In the summer of 1993 she went to her bedroom for an afternoon nap when she saw “a three-dimensional being less than a meter” away from her. She notes that he was tall and was “wearing a ‘space suit’ of silver and green. The being emitted white beams from his waist area.” The emission of light reminds of us the Bible’s warning that even Satan’s is able to transform himself into an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14-15). In order to set the stage for the grander deception that is coming upon the world, Satan needs to condition the world that the beings that are coming are glorious and have magnificent bodies.
The hardest evidence to dismiss that fallen angels are appearing in Israel comes from the village of Yatzitz, twelve miles east of Rishon Letzion. Chamish reports:
Herzl Casatini, the village security chief and his friend Danny Ezra were sharing conversation when they heard an explosion and felt Ezra’s house shake. Herzl opened the door and stood face to face with a nine foot tall creature in metallic clothes whose face was hidden in “a haze.” He shut the door and called the police. They arrived and discovered deep boot tracks in the hard mud. The tracks sunk 35 centimeters into the ground meaning whoever made them had to have weighed, literally, a ton. […] The tracks carried on for 8 kilometers. […] Sometimes the distance between tracks was twelve feet, (picture available at douglashamp.com).
Just like Mack and Jacobs, Chamish forecasts that the arrival of these beings will have dire consequences: “The biblical giants were God’s enemy and Israel’s armies were the means to their utter destruction. There is a legitimate reason to contemplate the recent re-arrival of giants in Israel with a good measure of dread.” The entities appear to be none other than the fallen angels (sons of God) who, in the days before the flood, took the daughters of men and produced the Nephilim/giants by them. The in-depth research of Mack, Jacobs and Chamish indicates that the prophecy of Daniel 2:43 (“they will mingle with the seed of men”) has already begun.
They Flee at the Name of Jesus
There is one final proof that these so called “aliens” are in fact demons that are hell bent on destroying humanity – and that is the fact that they flee at the name of Jesus. Abduction researchers David Ruffino and Joe Jordan discuss in their book Unholy Communion: The Alien Abduction Phenomenon, Where It Originates – And How It Stops how the phenomenon of abductions is real but the entities commonly referred to as “aliens” are in fact demons. They have counseled and documented more than 300 actual test cases of people that claim to have been abducted and have encouraged many of those abductees to put their faith in Jesus. After doing so, many found that the abductions ceased forever and if the entities returned then just mentioning the name of Jesus would cause them to flee.[xi] The entities in question, therefore, are demonic and not truly “aliens” from some other world but are trying to deceive the world of the impending rapture of believers before the beginning of the tribulation.
This conclusion is noted in an article from March 2007 entitled Alien Abductions Stopped by the Name of Jesus Christ, Stephen Yulish. He states that he believes that “extraterrestrials are not aliens from another planet or galaxy, but are instead fallen angels here to undertake a diabolical plan that is more sinister than any alien invasion.” [xii] He notes that ultimately the UFO battle is not for the planet but for the soul of man. He writes: “These extraterrestrial fallen angels are setting us up for the coming great deception where those people left behind when the body of Christ is caught up to be with Him in the air during the harpazo (rapture) will believe that those who have suddenly vanished were abducted by UFOs.”[xiii] Yulish is likewise convinced that the current UFO “alien” deception is nothing new; it is just a repeat of how things were in the days of Noah.
Conclusion
Based on the extensive investigation of many researchers, among them John Mack from Harvard, who interviewed on numerous occasions over one hundred abductees, we see the demons have been harvesting eggs from women and sperm from men for many years. According to the testimony of some abductees, they are using the genetic material to create hybrid babies – that is a mix between themselves and humans. This is also the dire conclusion of researcher Dr. David Jacobs who has determined that the “aliens” are not just experimenting on humans but have a specific program that they are working to accomplish. Their goal, according to him, is to create an “alien”-human hybrid race and take control of the planet. Thus, we have come full circle to the days of Noah. Once again Satan and his hordes are attempting to corrupt the image of man by mixing their seed with humans. However, whereas the abductee cases are limited to a number of people, a time is coming when they will attempt to mingle their seed with all of humanity on a global scale, which we will see in chapter seventeen.
The most obvious conclusion is that we are currently living in the days that are just like the days of Noah. Though people are going about their business thinking that everything is fine and will go on indefinitely, judgment is quickly approaching. It is approaching quickly because of what is happening behind the scenes; the sons of God have returned and have resumed their devilish program wherein they see that the daughters of men are good and are taking them as wives (think: their seed and for their incubation) in order to create Nephilim. As the many abductees have testified, the “aliens” are using their sperm and eggs to create a new race (post human). The demons are mingling their seed with the seed of men, just like the book of Daniel prophesied. In the book of ancient Jewish book of Giants we read that the demons also mixed the seed of different animals together (miscegenation) and created monsters and giants. Could this really happen in our days? The fact is it has already begun.
Source: http://www.douglashamp.com/part-fift...ming-nephilim/
for me it is hard to see the bible as NOT from channeled material (setting the whole validity argument of channeled material aside...) and the translations, especially with in the new testament & it's controversy surrounding left out books, mistranslations & various other "shapings" of the text, this is where it is hard to follow your line of thinking.Quote:
Posted by Vivek
I could probably make a case that the New Testament is mostly a product of lucifarian energies if I had the motivation to (I don't).
I appreciate your knowledge aggregation here & especially the topic as it is highly relevant:cheer2:
It's kind of easy to see where ego can tip personal knowing to personal godhood (or perhaps its just a matter of definition?) especially when the methods of cleanly accessing the knowledge is not wide spread & its exclusivity & enforced rarity make it seem special and "magical"; even to the individual who enforces this scarcity.Quote:
Posted by 9eagle9
Perverted to white or perverted to black, I still see these as the choices offered by both camps.
Thanks fo rhte reply Vivek, no you didn't offend me...this is just something I feel quite passionate about :)
For me Jesus and the devil represent the two sides of the spectrum. From the most vile to the most sublime. When we discover the full extent of the evil that has been ruling and directing our world, it can be very frightening, and I can totally understand wanting to shelter under the cover and protection of the ‘other side’. But for me personally my journey as been about integrating and becoming whole, rather than choosing one side and rejecting another.
What I have been shown within is that Lucifer deep down is deeply connected to God...the division/separation is just part of the illusion we are trying to work out. When we buy into the good evil thing we feed this paradigm of extremes and perpetuate it. Only through love can we transcend this paradigm.
For me it is very important not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Theosophy is not all ‘evil’, there are some deep truths imbedded within. The key is discernment. For example Alister Crawley explains in his teachings that a common problem for aspiring magicians is that their conscience conflicts with their true will and this is very important to overcome. For me this is the example of the nature of the satanic teaching...division, hierarchy etc...conscience must be subjugated by the will. However in my inner learning I have seen how undistorted love magic occurs when conscience and will work hand in hand and conscience guides our will.
As long as we stand in love there is nothing to be afraid of we can look at anything and take what works for us and leave the rest.
Here is a little 'story' i wrote a while ago to express my views on this subject.
Once upon a time we existed like a yin and yang symbol that pulsed with love. The white aspect was light and clear and bright, while the black was dark, dense and mysterious; and both were joined by love and were integral parts of the beautiful whole.
One day we decided to try an experiment. We decided to separate the light and dark aspects of the divine. We kept love on the side of the light and sent the dark away. Because love was on the side of the light we decided that the light was good, and the dark, which had become void of love, was bad. Thus we created duality.
Suddenly we could experience something that was impossible when we were united as one, we could experience ‘other’. We could now compare ourselves to ‘others’, judge ‘others’, take advantage of ‘others’, hurt ‘others etc...things that made no sense when we understood ourselves to be part of a whole.
The darkness which suddenly found itself cut off from love felt terrible pain, rejection and anger and began to hate the light. It seeped away into all the hidden corners and began to seethe. The absence of love caused the dark to distort and its true beautiful nature was twisted into evil. The dark became the lord of all things horrid, vile and repulsive. The fact that it had no morals or values to guide it meant it could do anything and so it grew more and more powerful.
Because we forgot our true state of unity we saw our opposite as the enemy. The aspects of the whole that aligned themselves with the light believed that they were righteous and that the darkness needed to be punished and eradicated. The aspects that aligned themselves with the darkness saw the light as weak and sanctimonious and felt it must be made to know suffering.
Thus a war between the light and dark was started and suffering spread throughout the whole.
In truth those who stand in the light and judge and condemn the darkness are as much a cause of the suffering as the dark. The answer is not to try to beat the dark, negative polarity into submission, the answer is to recognize it as part of the whole, and use the unifying force of love to heal those aspects that have been distorted into evil by being cut off from love.
The darkness gets its power from creating fear. It moves through our reality spreading fear anywhere that love is absent. When we act from fear we want to protect love and fight that which we feel opposes us. We withdraw our love, thinking it might be contaminated by the darkness, but this acts to create more space for fear to spread. In truth love is immutable and immune to fear and evil.
Some try to shine light onto the darkness thinking this is the solution..but the dark does not need to become light. In the same way that a plant needs both the rich dark soil and the vibrant light to grow healthy...so do we need both the light and the dark to be healthy, whole and strong.
The solution is not to repel, to squash, to fight, or to rage against, as these actions ultimately only act to amplify and perpetuate the problem...the answer is to love. When we choose love instead of fear we begin to neutralize and heal the dualistic system. When we remember that darkness is as much a part of us as the light, and that it has become evil because it has been separated from love, the only logical solution is love love love love and more love.
We are at the point in our story where we are ready to transcend the game of duality and start a new game based on unity and wholeness, and they key to our reunification is love.
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Lucifer translates to light bringer and isn't the same as Satan, who doesn't exist...
fearporn created for control... ;)
once you understand there is no darkness, you've awakened to why Good never loses...
Hi Eagle,Quote:
Posted by 9eagle9
Long before I had ever heard of the New Age a 'force' woke up within me. Ever since childhood this force has soothed me, has loved me, has guided and taught me. It can speak to me through all of life. At a young age I leaned to communicate with this force/energy. By connecting with this deep powerful energy I have been led way off the beaten path, and learned to navigate using this energy as a guide. I, recognize this energy as an aspect of myself. When I connect deeply with it there is no longer any external internal...I just am.
I completely trust this energy as following it has led me to beautiful deep understanding of myself and my world, and to the things in life that make me feel rich and blessed.
All I can say is that this energy teaches me about my interconnected to all. It teaches me to move deeper and deeper into a space of love that in my physical reality manifests as being kind, loving and respectful to those around me (to see all and treat all as aspects of myself); to seek deep and more meaningful connection to the people around me and my environment; to raise my child with love, gentleness and patience; to connect deeply with nature; to cherish and nurture the beauty in my world.
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And how does this force align with being a belief? And how did it come upon you?