Well the 112 is going to be interesting because Ron Paul now has others joining him on the edge of what Capitalists will allow...
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Well the 112 is going to be interesting because Ron Paul now has others joining him on the edge of what Capitalists will allow...
[/COLOR]p.s. saramay - I believe Ron's position on abortion is that it is a state's rights issue, not one with which the US government should be dealing, which would be consistent with his very traditional conservative views of reducing the power and authority of the Federal Government in deference to the more representative decentralized power of the States who after all should be closer to the people and whose policies should therefor be more truly representative of the divergent views at that level. But maybe I am wrong about this.[/QUOTE]
Yep, that would be consistent with his opinion...however his personal beliefs are that it should be outlawed. State governments are generally run by the most conservative individuals in a given population, who can and will deprive us of our most basic rights, especially when it comes to issues involving religious beliefs. I don't support state's rights over individual rights. But enough of politics..bleh! Take down the TSA!
That goes to the heart of what Ron Paul has always been about.Quote:
p.s. saramay - I believe Ron's position on abortion is that it is a state's rights issue
Above all else. All. There is the Constitution.
It is a "comprehensive", and "inclusive" contract between people who are, and still are FREE with or without it(Something almost everyone has forgotten).
Government has no business sticking it's nose into any subject not mentioned that, and then there is a catch-all called the 10th amendment. This says that basically, "If we didn't give some power to the Fed. Govt. then it belongs to either the states, or the people.
The Feddle Gummint has an extremely short list of what it is to oversee; on purpose. And the only way you keep them out of your hair is by insisting it stick to it's knitting. What should be, and what Ron Paul's stance points out is that many things, including abortion are properly addressed locally.
...and, because the subject came up, I will hereby give the short version of the reasons why it should be a local issue:
"Government IS force!" - G. Washington
"Government has always been, and will ever remain incapable of acting morally," - Fred
Abortion is the perfect example. In it's 220 year history, the Federal government has:In which case was it acting morally?
- Said absolutely nothing about abortion. Then...
- Made it a crime, equivalent to murder. Then...
- Made it as legal as having your tonsils removed.
Yes, it is a trick question, because it means that whatever your choice, said government has been acting immorally for 2/3'ds or its history!
Yet for the entire time, government is defended as acting correctly, but incorrectly assumed to be "moral". the plain fact is this is government completely our of its purview. Merely asking government to take a side in this, is asking for trouble.
I will save the legal argument over the nightmare of what we currently have for later. ;)
Fred
I personally agree that individual freedom SHOULD trump government at any level but we must take things into context here. The government in the US was NEVER envisioned by the Founding Fathers to be a pure democracy, in fact given the horrifying spectacle of the French Revolution during that time, PURE DEMOCRACY was the very last thing on the Founding Fathers' minds. The form of government WAS a Constitutional Republic. That is it was implicitly understood that power was delegated to "elected officials" constituting the House and Senate to represent the views of those eligible to vote as their conscience dictated. In other words the elected officials served as a check and curb on the frightening power of the masses. This ensured that an established power structure continue under the guise of "democracy" ..... understanding full well that most of the masses would not understand that pure democracy was never contemplated. What gave the movement a freshness and energy was the revolt against the overweening power of the British Monarchy...............this movement as we know inspired many similar revolutions against colonial power around the world. And yet, because the braking mechanism, the legislative institutions, had built-in features that made them accountable to established power and influence, over time it was inevitable that this form of "Democracy" would itself fall victim to the same forces against which it had revolted. This is because eventually the powerful would purchase influence for themselves and pack the Legislature, converting it into a pure instrument of power and control of the less than 1%. This is what we have today in most so-called "democracies" around the world. It was inevitable that this would happen and in fact was foretold even by intellectuals amongst the British House of Lords since shortly after the American Revolution. If you are patient enough and have the staying power and money to work behind the scenes for generations, eventually things can be manipulated to work out just they way you want them to!
Bingo !!Quote:
in fact given the horrifying spectacle of the French Revolution during that time, PURE DEMOCRACY was the very last thing on the Founding Fathers' minds.
"Democracy is two wolves and one sheep, deciding what's for dinner." - H L Mencken ;)
Also, I did a little research one time, concerning the notion that the Constitution, even the revolution, was something foisted upon a bunch of "ignorant farmers" but an elitist group. Balderdash!
In 1789, the literacy rate among us folk stood at 90%! Remember also that, in those days, being "literate" meant being able to read both English and Latin. And that the Constitution was one of the most published, and debated documents of the time, which included being on the wall of almost every pub in New England, along with the Federalist Papers, debating it.
Food fer thought,
Fred
It is an amazing thing to look into the literacy of people during the late 1700s in the US. If one reads, for example, the Federalist Papers - though this was the work of intellectuals not the common man - the complexity and subtlety of the thinking and manner of verbal articulation surpasses most of what reads or comes into contact with today! Of course this was during the "age of enlightenment" when true education and all that implies was actually valued. In contrast to the present, it is a sad commentary on human development and public discourse. To think that one room school houses and home schooling could produce that level of human intellectual development! What a waste, for the most part, our so-called educational institutions which are mostly human warehouses and Delgado training fields. A dictionary dating back to the 1800's is almost twice the size of current dictionaries indicating a reduction in our lexicon inversely proportional to our technological and scientific "advances" - which surely is not a mere coincidence!
I have a page on my site where I keep all of these documents.My site is completely free. Completely non-commercial. It is one of my "pay it forwards" things, I do which came out of my desire to archive a collection of important documents and literature for my grand children.
- Dec. Of Independence
- U.S, Constitution
- Federalist Papers, Anti-Fed Papers,
- Minutes of the Constitutional Convention
- A Collection of Thomas Jefferson's Writings.
- Democracy In America
- and things-like-that-there.
Enjoy,
Fred
By Rocky Vega
12/10/10 Baltimore, Maryland – This morning, Dr. Ron Paul (R-TX) held his first interview since being appointed chair of the House Monetary Policy Subcommittee. From what he says in the video below, he’s going “to think things through and not overdo things too soon,” but ultimately plans to stick to his guns, and “emphasize the oversight of the Federal Reserve.”
He also points out why he views his new role as important in these times…
“Obviously, it is very popular with the American people to audit the Fed and know what they’re doing when they can spend trillions of dollars and we don’t know where it goes. They have a bigger budget; they spend more money than the Congress does. Yet, we have no oversight. It was never intended that a secret body like this could create money out of thin air spend to take care of some banks and big business and foreign banks and the American people struggle? We have to look into it and we have to start to consider reforms.”
You can see and hear more details in the clip below, which came to our attention via Bloomberg Television in its recent exclusive interview with Ron Paul.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iHUCA...layer_embedded
We can only hope that Ron Paul executes his investigation with vigor and morality. Somehow the news that he's been appointed to audit the Fed sounds too good. I can't imagine "They" would allow this unless it was under "Their" control.
Executes might well be the keyword there, WyoSeeker
nobody else had the Kahunas to do it...
Ron Paul *** bring back the greenbacks so the Fed doesn't have the power to strangle our country for the benefit of a few elite bankers... ***
If more people took time to understand who the Federal Reserve is and what their function is there would be absolute outrage in the country! Unfortunately people will only take the time to understand when the Fed starts to change their lives. i.e. failure of the dollar, collapse of the economy or hyperinflation and by then it will be too late. The Powers that be would not be inexsitence if it were not for the Federal Reserve!
Ron Paul is and excellent start at turning the tide, lets hope and can make some changes, the very least of which would be an audit program!
rgray222, I given 10 minute dissertations to friends and family on the Fed, Jekyl Island, etc. Often the response I get is, "er, ah, hey, how 'bout those Yankees"?
If you can't explain it in 45 seconds their eyes glaze over. "Buy gold and silver? What would I do with that"?
A further note to "Ron Paul's Moment"http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/phot...8/ron_paul.jpg
Exerts from Bloomberg Businessweek's ~ most recent interview and article on Ron Paul;
It has taken Ron Paul 34 years to arrive at this moment and he does not intend to squander it. During that time GOP leaders have been "working to keep me away from this".
..."says Representative Bill Posey, a Florida Republican and unabashed Paul fan. "The depth of his knowledge on monetary policy, his understanding of it all, is second to known."
Posey nominated the Fed bill for "best legislation" award by House Republican freshmen this year. The bill, calling for a government audit of Fed operations, including its monetary policy decisions, won unanimously. Even though a watered down version included in the financial regulation law enacted in July. Paul wants to give the audit measure another shot and is counting on a new, high profile perch to do so. "traditionally, this subcommittee has been very insignificant," Paul says "I'm absolutely going to change that." :clap2:
From Phil Mattingly and Robert Schmidt
Ah, by gum and beggorah - the mainstream news is just sooooo transparently pathetic, isn't it?
*sigh*
So far, Ron Paul seems to speak out a lot of truth here, on mainstream media, too. That's a good thing, imo.
From a Fortune interview:
But some would consider ending the Fed is a bit extreme, don't you think?
No, I think printing money is extreme and crazy. I think the obscenity is allowing the Federal Reserve to print $3.3 trillion and we don't even know where it went. That to me is what's so extreme. And that's what the American people are waking up to. Government is extremely out of control.
Do you think we're better off without a Central Bank?
Sure, it's better off that we don't have depressions and inflations and financial chaos and the problems that we face. We of course wouldn't have this backdoor financing of big government fighting wars overseas and getting people to depend on the welfare state. None of that can happen without a Federal Reserve.
Whether your into US Politics or not you should all listen to one of the few Patriots & Libertarians left in American politics.
Ron Paul has an unblemished voting record and has been re-elected at least 10 times as a Texas Congressman!
You want to Hope & Pray he not only runs for President in 2012, but wins it aswell..!
Go Ron Paul..!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JM8d_Arjz6g&feature=player_embedded#at=232
Love the man!