An Oxymoron – Abduction by Harmless ETs

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You are right. Oxymoron. The supposed (we cannot intervene, therefore we cannot help/get involved, yadayadayada). Well, invading someones dreamstate, abducting, sending telepathic messages, even crop circles, are all some type of intervention or another, therefore their law means nothing

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Just curious Sidney . . . how else would an alien race communicate with us?

So then I suppose all aliens or ET’s are evil or harmful by the opinions of this thread?

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Abduction utterly undermines and violates individual’s fundamental rights.

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Why do we feel that we are correct when we judge something that is completely different than we are in ‘human’ terms?

How would an alien race know what an individuals fundamental rights are . . . . I don’t even know what an individuals human rights are . . . and I bet if we asked 1000 people we would get 1000 different answers.

We wonder why the ET’s aren’t more obvious and direct in communicating and interacting with us . . . . well this thread imo is a very good example and reason why.

Just a thought.

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Posted by mojo

Perhaps should ask why you feel there is only a negative agenda with ET's and apologize for not wishing to elaborate more.

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Abduction, as I have stated, violates individual's fundamental rights. There is no such thing as abduction by harmless ETs.

I think I have given enough explanations based on abductees' experiences and from the perspective of practicality. I am not apologizing for anything here.

Abductees often feel that they cannot share what they experienced, lest they may be jeered at by their fellow human beings. I'm not one of those insensitive people. Abductees' minds unfortunately are often manipulated to welcome, support, and apologize for their extraterrestrial abductors. They also seem to possess beliefs that their abductors are not harmful as self-protection mechanisms to deal with their constant fear and anxiety of their abduction episodes and not knowing when the next episode will be – by regarding the extraterrestrial abductors as benevolent, perhaps they believe that the ETs may not do much harm to them.

What you experienced, or rather, what you were made to believe you experienced is not what actually happened, at least not entirely. If they had benevolent intentions, you would not have been abducted in the first place. Do you recall every single second of all of your abduction episodes? Why do you suppose you don't? Do you feel that you cannot elaborate on what the ETs have done to you because you physically and mentally cannot allow yourself to vilify them in any way? Does it strike you as strange at all that you're shielding the very ETs that have abducted you? By asking all these questions, I’m not trying to blame you for what happened to you, but to awaken you if possible.

Please try to answer these questions earnestly for your sake, even if only to yourself.

There is part of you that cannot be manipulated by anything or anyone, not even by ETs. So please do not feel helpless or hopeless. There are many things you can do to help yourself.

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Posted by blufire

I don’t even know what an individuals human rights are.

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Individuals human rights are simple

I am Sovereign.
Do not cause me any harm.

These are applicable to the entire human race but these simple facts are violated all over the world everyday. Every time someone tries to make a decision for someone else they violate the sovereignty of the individual. When the individual tries to reclaim their sovereignty harm is usually the tool used to get them to comply.

I am an abductee . . . . Although I personally would not use this term.

I spent a great deal of my childhood with at one time I thought were owls at my window.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1fuDDqU6n4o

edit. I was not abducted and I'm not disagreeing with you about abductions. There's a broader perspective that is the issue which you haven't addressed. That there are benevolent ET's.

i posted some of my stuff on my profile page because i didnt have the balls at the time to publicly post it and also after being on avalon for a short time soon realized that this has been discussed to quite an extent and very deeply..in archives vids so forth.but i do like seeing it discussed again.and again because a fresh outlook is always good.and new info and details await as time goes on.

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Posted by DevilPigeon

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Posted by sirdipswitch

It is as I keep saying... If they come in Ships, don't trust them.:wizard:

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You need to post again, your post count is currently 'the mark of the beast' :p

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Look who's talkin Devil Pigeon. ccc.

But, just for you I am. Even though I am.

I am 50% Evil... and 50% good... I am perfect ballance. ccc. :wizard:

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Posted by Star Tsar

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Posted by sirdipswitch

It is as I keep saying... If they come in Ships, don't trust them.:wizard:

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Sirdipswitch may I ask why you say this?

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Any race that shows up here in ships, telling us how to be more spiritual, with their condesending attitude, aren't any more spiritual than Humans. I don't need a ship to go explore the Unverse and it's other races, so why should they, if they are so Spiritual. Then to top that off they install their "Abductees, with implants so they can communicate from space with them. B*** S***!!!

To me it ain't no differnt... than the Mayans lettin the Spanish come ashore! ccc.

mayb we should build a border fence....or is that space based platforms or laser cannons or rods from God.... me must get on this... DEFEND THE MOTHER PLANET...

Clearly, abduction violates individual’s fundamental rights. If I abducted ETs against their will, they will most certainly accuse me of being unethical and violating their fundamental rights. Kidnapping of a person by another human being most certainly violates the abductee’s fundamental rights. Would you not agree?

Did all of humanity decide democratically that it wants to interact with the ETs? No. Then the ETs should not be here in our world. If someone visits your home, you’d like to know why they are visiting you and when they will leave your home. If someone simply moves into your home bringing more and more supplies and carries out certain activities and you have no idea what they are doing for what purposes or when they will leave your home, would you apologize for that individual? No? If you wouldn’t allow that for any fellow human being in your home, why would you allow that for extraterrestrials about whom you know nothing?

Ethical contact would include extraterrestrials’ introduction of themselves to humanity, informing humanity (absolutely without abducting anyone) for what purpose they are visiting the world and when they will leave. Any other way is unethical.

This is our planet and our solar system. It belongs to humanity and humanity alone, and humanity must exercise its rights and responsibilities in securing its border and declaring its sovereignty. Such is expected among nations in our world, as is expected among the worlds in our local universe. A nation does not accomplish it by building physical fences at its border. Neither do other worlds in the universe. Their respective solar systems are their native spheres of influence, if they declare them to be so. That is expected and respected by other worlds. Thus, it is foolish to not declare our sovereignty in our solar system. For otherwise, unwelcomed, uninvited “visitors” from outer space could invite themselves in and establish themselves wherever in our world and solar system as long as humanity does not mount enough resistance against them or declares its sovereignty.

In the universe, free races that are spiritually advanced do exist. They would not infiltrate into any worlds, abduct any beings, exploit any emerging races (such as humanity) ignorant of life in the universe, or lure any races with some trinket technology. Yet, freedom is rare in the universe. Those ETs that are infiltrating into our world however covertly and abducting people are not here for benevolent purposes. They are not making ethical contact. They are not free races or spiritually advanced races. They do not value freedom within their worlds, nor do they value human freedom viewing it as chaotic.

Thus, it is our freedom and self-determination at stake.

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Posted by blufire

I am an abductee . . . . Although I personally would not use this term. I spent a great deal of my childhood with at one time I thought were owls at my window

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What were your experiences like?

When abductees are returned mind-controlled, they will say and do what the ETs want them to say and do. Of course they will welcome, support, and apologize for the ETs that abducted them because that’s what the ETs want them to say and do. It’s very unfortunate and heartbreaking.

Here are some of the reasons that contact the ET Intervention is making with human beings currently is unethical:

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• visitation and occupation without informed consent by citizens of this world instead by secret government groups or other organizations
• non-disclosure of intentions and fostering secrecy and deception as opposed to openness, trust, and negotiation
• breeching planetary and national boundaries with impunity
• displays of technological power over cities and military installations risking national security
• fostering human dependency through offers of technology to a less advanced or less developed native race
• violations of basic human rights in abducting people against their will and subjecting them to often terrifying procedures, resulting in psychological trauma and social isolation
• exploitation of resources, both human and biological
• behind the scenes exacerbation of human conflict

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From Ethics of Contact

Hi Resist, do you have an opinion on past life agreements with ETs that ive read about? thx lb

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Posted by lookbeyond

Hi Resist, do you have an opinion on past life agreements with ETs that ive read about? thx lb

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Could you elaborate on what you have read?

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Posted by ResistETIntervention

Here are some of the reasons that contact the ET Intervention is making with human beings currently is unethical:

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• visitation and occupation without informed consent by citizens of this world instead by secret government groups or other organizations
• non-disclosure of intentions and fostering secrecy and deception as opposed to openness, trust, and negotiation
• breeching planetary and national boundaries with impunity
• displays of technological power over cities and military installations risking national security
• fostering human dependency through offers of technology to a less advanced or less developed native race
• violations of basic human rights in abducting people against their will and subjecting them to often terrifying procedures, resulting in psychological trauma and social isolation
• exploitation of resources, both human and biological
• behind the scenes exacerbation of human conflict

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From Ethics of Contact

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Just wondering here . . .

So did somebody make a few million copies of this “Ethics of Contact” and hand it out to all the different ET’s that are moseying around our planet so they could understand that they are unethical?

I cannot wrap my head around this. You are coming entirely from a human point of view.

We cannot even begin to understand alien intent . . . .we cant even agree on human intent.

All I can say is my heart goes out to you because it is clear something very traumatic has happened to you. I hope you have someone who can help you sort this out and you can come to some peace.

Sorry Resist, its just a gathering of this idea from a variety of threads ive visited here on Avalon over the past year- so i cant give a specific source.I am interested in the idea as it had been mentioned on some of these threads that the contactee had forgotten their contract which may have been instigated in a far previous life, lb

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WL56I...5C5AF8DBDAE090

https://youtube.com/watch?v=qVZ2CgLYKgc

Blue fire, resist ET intervention IMO has it very well sorted out. I think you are the one who is in denial of a sitution of grave concern to the human family. Ask yourself if you are really aware of everything that has taken place with your abductions. These alien follow a strict chain of command where freedom is not respected or allowed. They may very well know human ethics of contact because it is a universe of intelligent life in which we have been observed for a long time. They don't care for our ideals and ethics. They blindly follow the agenda given to them. The higher up in there hierarchy I'm sure have greater intelligence than there worker class who has totall allegiance to its hierarchy of command. They were bred for this purpose. To follow orders strictly. They do not value human freedom for they see it as distructive and they believe what they are doing is good in order to secure the biological resources of this world for there own benefit. They desperately need these resources in a universe of many barren worlds our biological resources are a gem. I'm taking blood, plasma, organs, sperm, DNA! Bluefire this is serious and we won't have any peace if we are enslaved to intervening forces here to use us for our biology and whatever other natural resources the earth contains. When you tell resist ET intervention that clearly something traumatic happened I think you are really talking about yourself. Resist ET clearly has this well sorted out and you just can't even grasp it yet you are the one talking about being abducted and seeing owls in your window. Can you describe your experiences in greater detail to help all of us non-abductees to understand the true nature of These Ets from your point of view. This is not a time to bottle things up. We need to know to effectively discern what is going on. You need to know most importantly why this is happening to you and don't just be pacified to your own disempowerment.

I concur with those who posit that there is no such thing as a benevolent abduction! Yet, I know that the contacts being made are not easily received. There are physical AND non-physical aspects of being HUMAN that need to be embraced before we can understand what is happening. Any advanced physical race would have a non-physical counterpart, just like humans. Only, it is more likely that advanced races will have mastered what we call the non-physical, or Astral, or whatever you want to call it. Advanced does not immediately = benevolent.

There has been a recent push, (I have noticed) to try and insist that aliens are only benevolent, or that they do not exist at all. I have to admit,, once one faces down all of their own inner demons, the ET enigma will not (law of attraction) call out to any form of intelligence, other than like minds or benevolent beings. However,, we do not live in a world where the Human experience is free of its own fear/confusion,, etc,,, and that will always augment the attraction of alien beings, physical or not!!

What if one has a past life connection to an alien group? From ones physical perspective,,, a visit from a 'friend' may prove to be quite shocking and fearful. Yet, benevolent...

I had an experience where I was held paralyzed and vibrating while 3 small aliens hovered above me. This was NOT a benevolent experience. They had no right!!!

The most likely place for contact will NOT be in the physical!!! However,,, it WILL be soon...! (Once we re-evaluate our understanding of what physicality is!!) The age of particle physics is OVER!! What remains will be an understanding of ALL worlds (physical/non-physical) as consciousness. It is an amazing journey.

Any benevolent race of being will have gone through this themselves,,,, and would never force a change onto humanity that would cause a premature 'addiction' to them. They cannot bring us out of the fog,, but WE can!!!

The Human/Earth/life/belief system is NOT the only sphere of consciousness that exists!! We are not alone!! Find out what that means for yourself, and you will find yourself in a place that DOES NOT appreciate other forms of consciousness forcing themselves onto ours!!! But DOES appreciate the universal nurturing that exists if you look for it!!

Jake.

What surprised the Borg-like ETs most about humanity is it's diversity...the incredible spectrum
of differences, and to find that some humans are brighter and more powerful than the brightest ET races.
And that is what makes our world so unique- it's exactly BECAUSE we have free will and choice that this diverse spectrum exists in the first place.
And what is the highest attainment of a human seeker?
The discovery that it is possible to manifest stuff simply with intent, or prayer...whichever.

This is what makes us unique and powerful, and will in time show the unwanted ETs the door.
Might even teach them manners and respect.....