SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

David Bohm connects the dots of the thing, in some ways..but from a slightly different perspective. A note on how mass aggregates create strength of unity or as a grouped mass...and together, this enforces or stabilizes a state of reality into being....

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Another metaphor Bohm uses to illustrate the implicate order is that of the hologram. To make a hologram a laser light is split into two beams, one of which is reflected off an object onto a photographic plate where it interferes with the second beam. The complex swirls of the interference pattern recorded on the photographic plate appear meaningless and disordered to the naked eye. But like the ink drop dispersed in the glycerin, the pattern possesses a hidden or enfolded order, for when illuminated with laser light it produces a three-dimensional image of the original object, which can be viewed from any angle. A remarkable feature of a hologram is that if a holographic film is cut into pieces, each piece produces an image of the whole object, though the smaller the piece the hazier the image. Clearly the form and structure of the entire object are encoded within each region of the photographic record.

Bohm suggests that the whole universe can be thought of as a kind of giant, flowing hologram, or holomovement, in which a total order is contained, in some implicit sense, in each region of space and time. The explicate order is a projection from higher dimensional levels of reality, and the apparent stability and solidity of the objects and entities composing it are generated and sustained by a ceaseless process of enfoldment and unfoldment, for subatomic particles are constantly dissolving into the implicate order and then recrystallizing.

The quantum potential postulated in the causal interpretation corresponds to the implicate order. But Bohm suggests that the quantum potential is itself organized and guided by a superquantum potential, representing a second implicate order, or superimplicate order. Indeed he proposes that there may be an infinite series, and perhaps hierarchies, of implicate (or "generative") orders, some of which form relatively closed loops and some of which do not. Higher implicate orders organize the lower ones, which in turn influence the higher.

In the 1960s Bohm began to take a closer look at the notion of order. One day he saw a device on a television program that immediately fired his imagination. It consisted of two concentric glass cylinders, the space between them being filled with glycerin, a highly viscous fluid. If a droplet of ink is placed in the fluid and the outer cylinder is turned, the droplet is drawn out into a thread that eventually becomes so thin that it disappears from view; the ink particles are enfolded into the glycerin. But if the cylinder is then turned in the opposite direction, the thread-form reappears and rebecomes a droplet; the droplet is unfolded again. Bohm realized that when the ink was diffused through the glycerin it was not a state of "disorder" but possessed a hidden, or nonmanifest, order.

In Bohm's view, all the separate objects, entities, structures, and events in the visible or explicate world around us are relatively autonomous, stable, and temporary "subtotalities" derived from a deeper, implicate order of unbroken wholeness. Bohm gives the analogy of a flowing stream:

"On this stream, one may see an ever-changing pattern of vortices, ripples, waves, splashes, etc., which evidently have no independent existence as such. Rather, they are abstracted from the flowing movement, arising and vanishing in the total process of the flow. Such transitory subsistence as may be possessed by these abstracted forms implies only a relative independence or autonomy of behaviour, rather than absolutely independent existence as ultimate substances."




Taken from a thread in the Heath and sciences area, on Monatomic silver:

You need a millamp meter. Ridiculously low levels of current in the system is the case. Also, fundamentally and importantly... in the case of higher current levels...the polarization and agreeance in plasma function cause grief and is the root source/cause of the creation of larger particles.

This is part of why alchemists need to reduce materials to true monatomic levels and then..... over a period of several months, manipulate the monatomic mix cyclically through a dimensionally gating system of condensation repetition within the one sealed vessel so the complex gasses and the elements involved, interact repeatedly, over and over and over..and as one molecule switches to the desired state..then the next and finally it is a cascade of dimensional shifting..and this becomes the root mix, all resonating and stable as a shifted and energized mix of 'interesting' atoms.

As well, when some of the stone is made, this can be used to make more, and make more much more rapidly. It takes months and months and possibly years for the apprentice to get to their first batch. Following up with more is many times done in a matter of weeks, using the original finished stone as a 'seed' stock, exactly as the mono-crystal extraction is done in the CZ method of kiln based crystal rod extraction for silicon semiconductor wafer manufacturing - in many fundamental ways.

This explains the use of tuned frequencies like the solfeggio scale, chanting, breathing with the ohm sound, all to gate the resonance of the fundamental state, the 2-d resonant interacting fields which create the spiral of the origins of matter, matter which is energies gating and crystallizing into this universe or 3-d world we call 'reality'. Which is only one of many.

The physicist David Bohm illustrated this effect in his analysis of plasma systems and how they react to impurities.

When condensation and temperature shift changes are highest in the atmosphere, in the fall and spring mornings.....and on the becker-hagens grid lines, that is the point of the greatest inter-dimensional spiritual manifestation. As the link to the 'blue ghost tunnel' so eloquently shows.

This is why the morning dew is the real consideration for making the 'stone' of philosopher's fame..., why underground bases and old megalithic structures, etc, and 'reptilian' dimensional rituals are on grid lines and where grid lines meet.

This also explains about:

human 'vibration' and 'resonance' and how the consuming of large amounts of the 'stone' by the pharohs would allow them to, in their whole being and spirit, to actually shift dimensions. (the David Bohm bit about plasma's acting in stable and perfected agreeance, and forming exclusion bubbles around impurities)

Then other things like Buddhist monks resonating together in Washington DC, stating ahead of time their calculated change in the crime rate that would occur from their meditation and this being the found reality in the final calculations after the meditation took place...so massed resonant (thought) systems in effect here....

This then becomes the Nikolai Kosyrev bit on aluminum showing the underlying scalar wave function that is beyond time, and then the spooky action at a distance, and then the US Naval Academy of Research Showing that DNA is superconductive and reacts throughout the body as a whole single system, well outside of nerve energy travel speeds, and that gold and platinum metals will adhere to the DNA strands....and if they are superdeformed and charged atoms that are dimensionally situated across 2 dimensions or gating dimensions...those Platinum metals...bonding to the DNA.....well...............................

I mean, we could go on and on here.

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All these things are connected on the fundamental level so it is impossible to isolate these systems. One has to look in on things at and in multiple ways, so the interconnectedness can be seen, so the implicate order can be realized as a whole..and the root connections can finally be seen.

Those root connections are fundamentally a simple concept.

But... in our 'human lives', we address the system from the wrong end..we are outside, on the final effect end, trying to see the origins of the river, without vision or a map....so we get lost in side branches, thinking we have the answers. The trick is to never stop looking for the answers. Even if you think you have it, or one of them.

Life is a system in motion. Never stop rolling, never stop evolving.

Yes this represents the importance of valuing ALL perspectives to have a Much Better shot at understanding the whole...

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Posted by MariaDine

https://youtube.com/watch?v=JGikNJ9u5ks

One of the reiki symbols.
The POWER symbol has many uses in healing.
Clock wise and counter clock wise.
Clock wise concentrates the DIVINE ENERGY, counter clock wise it disperses and transmutes the energy.

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My favorite...... REIKI ON !!! Like flipping a switch. also the easiest when i initiate someone, i always let them practice on me, usually i doze off, ghehehe.

As for the other spiral, i think it appears everywhere because of this .......

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Norway Spiral for example

I love Reiki! ((((((((((((( Ommmmmm )))))))))))))))

...one of the best ways to feel the energy around and within us---In groups its very powerful :grouphug:

I thought those Reiki symbols were a secret that you had to pay money to learn...
Thank's MariaDine!:)

May should have started a new thread but another mystery symbol similar to the spirals is the labyrinth, one may have evolved from the other, who knows.

This symbol also represents a real mystery: in fact it is found at different points in time, in places as diverse as Brazil, Arizona, Iceland, across Europe, in Africa, India and Sumatra, this symbol and its family of derivatives have been traced back 4000 years or more; but its origins remain mysterious.

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I think it might have evolved into what we know today as the maze or it may have always been considered one.

The real mystery is how and why is this symbol, and the spiral, is found all over the world.

Source:
http://mmmgroup2.altervista.org/e-labiri.html

~skywizard

This beautiful unity of expression of one of the golden aspects of the ordered universe, the spiral throughout human observation, religion, and art,
amazes me. It has been on my mind a lot this year. It has so many meanings, from fertility to the rate of consumption of matter by a black hole, to self-creation, etc.

Those who talked about galaxies, snakes, and dragons have it about right! The self-consuming dragon or snake has long been a metaphor for creation, change, time, forces of nature, alterations in power on earth, etc.! A very powerful symbol.

I recently heard from a friend that the Chinese attributed a lot of meaning to the dragons of their culture. I even read in one book that there was a dragon depicted on a Chinese math disc describing PI, the only natural expression of which in nature that is perfect is the roundness of a black hole, just like Einstein said was true. Not that he was always right.

But back to spirals. The one in the Egyptian pyramids that touches on the Sphinx is very interesting, and demonstrates the enormous wisdom of the pharaohs and his advisers!
The golden spiral, the golden rectangle, PHI. Women whose bodies most closely match these proportions are immensely more fertile, by the way! And I also find it so very interesting that Jesus, as a baby, was taken to Egypt for his safety, and possibly influenced in some way by the energy of these immense monoliths and their ancient history...

Archimedes admired the spiral, and we see expressions of it in the Yin Yang and the precession of the equinoxes. Da Vinci referred to it often, as did Michelangelo.
In fact the golden spiral can be found in the Mona Lisa! It can be found in the light reflecting helically from the surface of a scarab beetle, as well.

You know why they revered that beetle "in a whole new light", now, lol!

EDIT: Archeoacoustics rely heavily on understanding the spiral and fractal/helical waves... also, the shape of the ram's horn trumpets miiiight have something to do with Jericho falling, if you believe that account... hmmmm. Malta Oracle Chamber gives amazing insight into this matter.

Also the mathematical construct, Gabriel's horn, a spiral with an ever increasing diameter, i think? not sure how to describe.

hehehe :spy:

The spiral is also known to be associated with pictures of mountains, markers that seem to point upwards, and goats in the mountains.


"when you see the spirals, head up the mountains where the mountain goats are"

The "Golden Ratio" appears in more places than one might think. Of course sea shells come to mind, but ratio/proportions in such things as to the human body and other living organisms make this in my mind more than just a coincidence.

I was going to ask you guys something odd:

when you look at WTC site in NYC (aerial view at slight angle),
do the two holes from the old towers and the new tower line up kind of like the 3 best known Egyptian 'mids? (Next to Sphinx)

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Great Scott!

edit: I agree with the two posters above -- how often these amazing shapes turn up in nature!
Who knows if nature's constant grind accounts for order and balance, or if some "Watchmaker" set it up that way, etc.!

Does practice or preparation make perfect? :D :pray:

This video shows that because our solar system is flying through the universe, the planets don't really revolve around the sun, but rather fall in a continuous spiral through the gravity well created in its wake. Every time I see a spiral now, I think of the image of our solar system in this video.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-NH5yK3ZN54

that is really cool!

Reminds me also of double helix, Hermes rod, 2 snakes, that sort of thing!!!

That intertwinedness, inter-relatedness in terms of gravity and progress!

Stasis is death!
Interaction is life!

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The labyrinth is a 1-dimensional tour of 2-dimensional space. There is only one route, which covers the entire area. It is an exploration where you cannot get lost: there is a way in – all the way in – which is reversible into the way out – all the way out. Music is slightly different. If you listen to an old LP, you spiral all the way in but not out again, and find yourself in a different place.



I see the labyringth as a metaphor for perceiving and exploring additional dimensions. The maze is something different in that it has all kinds of traps, with seemingly identically choices to be made possibly leading nowhere. You can and generally do get lost, hence the maze becomes a prison, albeit a prison without a door. There are two ways out. Either you remember where you came from, having from the outset, when you first came in, laid an Ariadne’s clew enabling you to travel back in space and time. Alternatively you can move into the third dimension. When viewed from overhead, a maze literally becomes child’s play – a puzzle for kids. When Daedalus, who devised the labyrinth on Crete, found that the whole island had become a prison for him, he moved into the third dimension, and built himself a pair of wings.


The maze is an open system pretending to be a closed system: a prison with no door :)

that thing about Daedalus seems to be a metaphor for escaping a hostile planet!
When the trap becomes apparent to you, take flight! take flight!

interesting eh??

Hi Loki,

After using advanced vortex meditation techniques for over a year now, my take on these spirals is they may have something to do with vortex energy and the power of spin. Vortex's derived from the application sacred geometry are at the foundation of creation, our ancestors were in tune with the environment and were able to see energy that is invisible to most of us. Many of the images carved in stone are quite similar to energy signatures I began seeing in meditation after my pineal gland activation opened up the third eye, when the right brain begins to open up we start seeing a whole new perspective on the world in the form of energy and other forms of energetic signatures our ancestors were tuned into.

In addition, the earth energy is much different now than it was thousands of years ago. Fortunately at this time the planet is being bombarded with photon light and other beneficial cosmic energy's that may be very similar to what our ancestors experienced. And those who dedicate the time to spiritual expansion and in uniting with their souls divinity are now beginning to access the quantum field and energy that's been unavailable to us for aeons.

It's all about the inner universe...the holographic aspect of our reality is bleeding through into our consciousness now, whereas in the past it was difficult to grasp these concepts. Since we've never been given the words or language to explain what our ancestors saw in the world of energy, I believe they were communicating what they were "seeing" with their minds eye when they tuned within.

I found someone who blogged about black holes and the book of enoch, kind of an interesting read for those to whom things are not so black and white:

http://www.starseeds.net/profiles/bl...es-and-eternal

Communicating with a black hole... if you knew you could do it, that you had done it, would you continue doing so?
What does a black hole have to say to humans? !

But here:

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Yesterday I also stumbled across a youtube video on the Book of Enoch (although the subject matter was not directly related to what I am speaking on now: Nephilim)

Today I was on a totally different subject of Archangels (Raphael to be specific) and came across and excerpt from the Book of Enoch:
"And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may not see light. And on the day of the great judgment he shall be cast into the fire." - Enoch 10:4–6
I found it both syncronistic and validating that I would stumble across all these seemingly unrelated subjects. I found that the excerpt above found meaning in my soul and I was able to thusly interpret it in this way:

Asara - "This seems to me to be speaking of black-holes, which is considered by most to be hellish and a chaotic place, where no light can penetrate. However if you've read my communication with Cmdr Frater Valient on Creation and Balance you will know that a black-hole is simply a recycling tool, and what goes in, does eventually come out.

Fire means to me light and cleansing. So even if people assume that the black-hole, or whatever they interpret this to be, is eternal damnation, I feel it is not. Time has no meaning to timeless souls; and a soul has eons to redeem and cleanse itself into purity once again."

Please take note that the Youtube video on black holes that is in this article says that when the mass of a black hole becomes so massive, it starts emitting energy. This validates in some way the communication on which I previously spoke about in that there are white holes or a source that emits energy, rather than just consumes it.

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Anyone else on Avalon feel a "special connection" with a certain black hole and if so, which one, our galaxy's or something else?
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Why black holes might account for prophecy:
every once in a while, black holes emit a flare.
Scientists cannot know what all is expelled from the periphery of the hole (or even inside!) during these flares.
We don't know if bradyons become tachyons, if dark matter can come out of a black hole and pass through a human brain, etc.

But we have ideas... and ideas can take you as far as any spacecraft.

Do you think an idea might come from a black hole? :)
Would a particle emitted by a black hole (stripped of normal charge!) be detectable by humans?

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what's project icecube then?
to see when our GC is talking :D