WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

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GAME ON: ALL OUT RUSSIAN TAKEOVER OF ALL of Ukraine and possibly more.

EU diplomats are proposing sanctions on Russia while the white house considers options. SANCTIONS. SANCTIONS MEANS "Oh sh*t". Russia might simply enforce this with it's nuclear deterrent. Russian troops are now seen securing multiple airfields in Ukraine, if not all of them. The few Ukranian fighters that have been spotted are probably flying in from other countries.

There is now active fighting at Chernobyl, with rumor being that nukes are hidden there and Russia is going to get them. Other rumors are that Russia wants to prevent "that dirty bomb waiting to happen" from being used for exactly that.

The U.S. is now speaking up, saying Moscow is focusing on taking Kiev and decapitating the Ukranian government (duh)

Highways are bumper to bumper "bug out" and Russia is leaving them alone.

The usual war propaganda is in place, with both sides calling each other "bad". The difference between now and other wars? Twitter.

There was a small anti-war protest on Novosibirsk Russia that was quickly put away. Novosibirsk is a large city in Siberia with a population of 1.6 million.

Rumor has it that Putin has officially declared war

Last night Russia claimed to have completely destroyed all of Ukraine's air force, but today Ukraine has planes in the air.

Last night there was rumor that Turkey helped Ukraine in the initial hours of the current battle, and today a Turkish cargo ship was hit by a bomb in the black sea

Video has now surfaced of a Ukranian jet attacking Ukranian residential areas to back stab Russia. So you know who's in charge of Ukraine - the white house.

Rumor has it that Russia is trying to take over Chernobyl BECAUSE NUKES WERE STACHED THERE, with the lingering mess there being used to conceal them.

Rumor has it that China is going to take Taiwan now, and it is not rumor that Chinese jets are repeatedly entering Taiwan's airspace.


This is not rumor:

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Corrections may be made frequently because this is all progressing so rapidly now.

CHINA HAS OFFICIALLY DECLARED RUSSIA'S ACTIONS ARE NOT AN INVASION. So that's set, we know where China stands.

Russia has launched so many cruise missiles that there are many clear videos of them flying by. that takes a LOT of missiles.

A UKRANIAN SU-27, perhaps the only one they managed to get airborne was forced to land in Romania because Russia destroyed every landing strip in Ukraine.

Confirmed: Russian ground vehicles are already crossing into Ukraine (APC's and tanks)

Confirmed: Fox News reporter killed.

Russia is now claiming it completely neutralized Ukraine's entire air force before Ukraine managed to get a single plane off the ground.

Actually cool: Perfectly captured video of a Russian cruise missile flying by A CLASSIC "lucky shot"

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Bug out traffic jams in Kiev. Bugging out last minute does not cut it!

America's doomsday plane has taken off

Amphibious landing at Odessa UPDATE: Apparently rumor.

Nato invoking Article 4. This means they are going to have a powow but no decision to react has been reached yet.

Russia knocked CNN's reporters offline in Kiev

America has moved the government into bunkers

One Russian jet shot down

Ukraine is claiming 5 Russian jets shot down. UPDATE: Russia has stated they have not used airstrikes at all, everything that has exploded so far (three hours into this) has been due to artillery, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles. That means Ukraine probably shot down NOTHING. RUMOR: An hour and a half into the attack, Ukraine's entire navy has been sunk. UPDATE: NOT RUMOR, all ships sunk and Russia is now, less than two hours in, occupying all naval bases.

Not rumor: Russia has blown up so many ammo depots they can't even be kept up with.

2.5 hours into the attacks and Russia has declared Ukraine's entire military disabled.

It appears many Ukranians hate the U.S. "occupation" so badly they did not fight at all. Why would they when U.S. backed groups routinely shelled them?

Only two hours into this, and Russia is already beginning to capture Ukranian officials

OBVIOUS: Russia is one-upping "shock and awe" MASSIVELY, to let the West know hands had best be kept off. Shock and awe was not like this, not so fast, and Ukraine was far better equipped than Saddam.

FACT: Ukraine is getting wiped out like dirt off a windshield.

Everyone is calling Biden weak, and saying this would never have happened under Trump.

Biden has promised "tough sanctions" in response to Russia wiping Ukraine's entire military out.

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It took them 45 minutes to shut down several airports including the military airfield in Kiev, a Nato airfield in Boryspil, with live fire and within an hour they took over the airport in Kyiv with boots on the ground, fully occupied. It happened with mind blowing speed. So I put on a pot of coffee, I think I'm doing the late shift.

An hour or so after the initiation of the full on assault, live cams are going down all over Ukraine. I was watching one with 4 different cameras at once and it looked like nothing was going on and blip all 4 went down simultaneously. And other people are reporting more than that down. Massive explosions in Mariupol

Military base in Chuhuiv was destroyed. Destroyed??? Russia is going ALL OUT.

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What puzzles me more is that Zelenskyy actually thinks he's winning. Very bizarre.

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Here are the facts as I understand them.

Russia did indeed invade Ukraine from many directions simultaneously, that is obviously an act of war.

May I ask, what the source of information is that gave you this understanding? Western MSM?

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Someone I know in Ukraine who has seen Russian tanks.

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Ukraine did not commit any act of war.

Maybe not but maybe they did. Killing its own people might not be an act of war or maybe it is. In any case we certainly do not know everything what happened over the past 8 years. So again, maybe not but maybe they have

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I was referring to a specific act toward Russia and not commenting on the activities in Donbass region.

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US bioweapons labs in Ukraine: what will Russia find in the labs?
Russia's military operation in Ukraine seems to be going very well. Of course, the initial reports should be taken with a grain of salt. But the question arises, what will the Russians find in Ukraine?
From anti-mirror
February 24, 2022 6:19 pm

The reports of the first day of the Russian military operation in Ukraine show that the Ukrainian army does not have much to counter the Russian forces. The Ukrainian army was heavily armed by NATO, but since most Ukrainian soldiers were conscripted to serve against their will, their fighting spirit seems to be decidedly low. In many places it is reported that the Russian army met no resistance at the border and was literally waved through by the Ukrainian forces.

Where fighting has occurred, Ukrainian soldiers have waved white flags. This is not true everywhere, but it seems to have happened very frequently. However, the so-called volunteer battalions in particular, composed of volunteer Ukrainian nationalists, are probably resisting fiercely.

Russia reports that there is no longer a functioning military airport in Ukraine and that a great deal of weaponry, especially anti-aircraft and artillery, was destroyed in the first few hours. The shooting down of several Turkish-made Bayraktar drones was also reported. CNN filmed Russian soldiers allegedly occupying Kiev airport.

This would make sense, as Russia has announced that one of the goals of the military operation is to denazify Ukraine. Apparently, the occupation of civilian airports is intended to limit the ability of those responsible in Ukraine to escape.
U.S. bioweapons labs in Ukraine.

I have often reported that the U.S., more specifically the Pentagon, operates several bioweapons labs in Ukraine. The last time I reported on this was on January 27. The U.S. has always refused international inspections of its labs, so no one knows what they are researching in these labs. But we can assume that Russian special forces will take a closer look at these labs in the coming days.

And this seems to be exactly a can of worms. A tweet was posted on Twitter about this and the user was immediately blocked. I won't go into the content of the tweet, which can still be found in an Internet archive. If you are interested, you can view it here.

My point is that Twitter was so quick to delete a tweet and its author merely for pointing out that there are U.S. bioweapons labs in Ukraine and that it looks like their capture is one of the important targets of the Russian military operation.
Who else Russia is looking for in Ukraine

Russian President Putin, in his address to the nation on Monday, said the following about the May 2014 Odessa tragedy, in which nearly 50 people were burned alive by radical Maidan supporters and which has never been resolved in Ukraine:

"The criminals who committed this atrocity have not been punished and no one is looking for them. But we know their names and will do everything to punish them, find them and bring them to justice."

Considering that the Russian army is also on its way to Odessa, some people there might be getting very nervous right now and trying to leave the city quickly.

The same goes for the radical neo-Nazis who are in power in Ukraine. On Russian television, Russian officials say that they also want to hold those responsible for other crimes, for example in the Donbass (you can find an example here), accountable.

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https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2022/us-...labors-finden/

Meanwhile in Russia, anti-war protesters are being arrested on the spot.

So much for free speech and the right to protest.

Even worse than in Canada, right?

1984? Police state?

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Hi Malisa,

I just wanted to personally thank you for all the info you have provided. I have learned not to trust anything I hear from MSM and politicians, so any info from "regular people" is much appreciated.

I also, in a way, completely understand where you're coming from with your stance and opinions, because as you can see from my profile info, I'm from Serbia.

Serbia is a country that was unjustly bombed by US/NATO, where far more civilians and civilian targets were destroyed than military ones. They have also taken a part of our land (Kosovo) and given it to Albanian terrorists who have, and stil are, killing our people and doing much worse things.

Anyway, thanks for info, and all the best.

As Serbians like to say:
Rusi i Srbi, braća zauvek.

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OMG I can't belive how you can write such things.. Serbs were clearly the agresors killing Croatians, Bosnian and Albanian people after Yugoslavia fell apart.. wake up man, you can sell such horrid lies to people who werent there at the time. :focus:

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Posted by XelNaga

Hi Malisa,

I just wanted to personally thank you for all the info you have provided. I have learned not to trust anything I hear from MSM and politicians, so any info from "regular people" is much appreciated.

I also, in a way, completely understand where you're coming from with your stance and opinions, because as you can see from my profile info, I'm from Serbia.

Serbia is a country that was unjustly bombed by US/NATO, where far more civilians and civilian targets were destroyed than military ones. They have also taken a part of our land (Kosovo) and given it to Albanian terrorists who have, and stil are, killing our people and doing much worse things.

Anyway, thanks for info, and all the best.

As Serbians like to say:
Rusi i Srbi, braća zauvek.

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OMG I can't belive how you can wrote such things.. Serbs were clearly the agresors killing Croatians, Bosnian and Albanian people after Yugoslavia fell apart.. wake up man, you can sell such horrid lies to people who werent there at the time. :focus:

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There's a narrative being pushed here

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I.Don't.Care.About.Media.In.Any.Possible.Way

I know better, i did not look at it from far away or was paid to lie

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Hey, thanks for all your posts on this.

I asked you this a few days ago, but things seems to be changing pretty fast — in many ways. What's your best guess right now about what may happen during the next few days, or the next week?

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Hi Bill,

I was just wondering, why do you ask for Malisa's opinion about this?
I mean after none of her previous predictions and takes around this subject have been correct.

Like: Ukraine is about to invade Donbass, Russia will not invade Ukraine, Russia not massed around the borders, Russia there just for exercises, Russian tanks not in attack positions, denying false flags that have then been proven without a doubt, all the other word for word propaganda from russian state media, misrepresenting facts, mislabeling info, misrepresenting other people's posts etc, etc.

All the while viciously attacking anybody that was questioning her points. Not ever admiting that maybe an opinion of hers could be wrong, even after the multiple times it was 100% without a doubt proven to be so. Never backing down from her narrative, even wen proven wrong.

Like the cases explained

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I mean, I'm just trying to help and give you the chance to explain this, as people are starting to think that avalon is pushing a narrative.
And I don't want those opinions to run rampant and unchecked.

Last time this narrative was being pushed was 8 years ago. I got into an identical debate with a guy called Corey Goode, don't know if you remember him ;)
I had to take a 6 year break from Avalon because of how disappointed I was to the propaganda level regarding Russia. And everyone was propping the guy up, no support for facts and logic.

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Basically using the same disinformation/deflection/ad hominem/straw man tactics used here. Exactly the same.

But back then, he was a golden boy here. I wonder why you guys had a fall out, clearly you were coordinating with each other.

The Ukrainian people's blood will never wash off your hands

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I was just wondering, why do you ask for Malisa's opinion about this?

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• She's super-smart.
• She's bilingual (actually, trilingual).
• She fought, evidently very effectively, on what could be called the front line with a loaded gun in her hands.
• There's every reason to believe that she has access to information that we may not find anywhere in the controlled Western media — including news reports in Russian, both mainstream and alternative.

For me, that makes her a valuable source of information of all kinds, not just another Avalon member (self included!) posting opinions and best-guesses. Malisa is (and has been) closer to all this than any of us.

You clearly don't like her. But that's not a problem, and I'm sure it's not a problem to her. :) What may be interesting and valuable to listen to is what she actually has to share. She's "been there" (literally and figuratively) — while as best I know none of the rest of us have, including yourself.

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There's a narrative being pushed here

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The "narrative" I'm "pushing" personally is to discuss

• What's really happening on the ground (if it's possible to know);
• What might happen next on the ground;
• The geopolitical implications (including economic impact on regular people everywhere);
• How this dovetails into the NWO/WEF agenda, and to what extent a major war (an economic war or a shooting war) might benefit the Biden administration (because they sure do seem to want that. Mid-term US elections canceled later this year? This may be a deus ex machina.)

While I'm very strongly focused on all of this and all its aspects (and every time I hear Malisa share a few more of her personal stories, I'm both amazed and appalled :flower: ) I'm not so much interested in the asserted rights and wrongs of cultural allegiance, borders and their history, or who "fired the first shots" — metaphorically speaking.

I strongly suspect there's a bigger picture in play here (there usually is!), and maybe we can all work together to piece that together from all the available evidence.

At the moment, my hypothesis (an opinion and a guess!) is this:

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As a provisional opinion, I'd guess that Putin is no part of this. He's just doing his own Russian strongman nationalist thing. But the situation may very likely be quickly taken advantage of, re the 'Great Reset' — just as covid was, lab leak accidental or not.

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Just a little more on that thought. Putin is smart enough to know all this, of course, but I'd be pretty sure that he's playing his own game. He'll know that this will result in huge damage to the US and its economy (and that of other countries too, probably in Europe), and he'll not mind that one bit.

He's playing a strong hand of poker and will be betting that Russia will be able to ride all this out and emerge in a very strong global position. If the globalists are leveraging this to take down America just a little faster, that's just fine with him.

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Reasons and reasons....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-60505319


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-60505319

Viking

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The War in Ukraine
Today at 12 noon EST, I'll be live on Rumble to discuss the ongoing conflict, its multiple dangers, and what role the U.S. should play, if any, in its outcome.

The outbreak of war between two or more nations is obviously one of the worst events that can happen for humanity, if not clearly the single worst. For that reason, when it happens, emotions are extremely high; nationalism and tribalism surge; the range of permissible debate radically shrinks; the political and media class unite in lockstep messaging across the political spectrum; and anyone even slightly off-key or questioning of that script is hunted down and held up as a heretic and traitor, as you can see happening here:

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This toxic climate naturally fosters high incentives to either cling faithfully to the script or remain silent, at least until more space opens up for dissent. Attempting to do anything other than recite from the officially imposed book of conventional wisdom is particularly futile, at best, on social media. Thirty years ago, Noam Chomsky explained why the inherent constraints of network television — specifically, the demand that all points be made quickly, in three or four minutes between television breaks: i.e., what television news professionals refer to as “the need for concision” — ensures that conventional wisdom can only be affirmed but never meaningfully challenged:

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With all that in mind, I have no intention of trying to use social media to discuss this highly complex and dangerous war, one that produces intense levels of emotionalism and tribal unity. As I saw when I was on Fox News last night (and I will be again tonight at 8 pm EST with Tucker Carlson), even the quick format of cable news makes it difficult to expound deeply on important points.

As a result, today at noon EST, I will be on Rumble live to discuss the evolving war in Ukraine and the debate over what role the U.S. should play, if any, in its outcome. You can watch my video discussion at this link. Being able to speak freely and without the structural constraints described by Chomsky or, worse, the cauldron of distortion and rage that is Twitter, is of vital importance if one wishes to examines these weighty questions in a rational and measured way. I hope as many of you who can will watch the show live — it starts in just twenty minutes — but if not, it will, like all videos, be on Rumble to watch at any point after. I will also certainly have more in-depth articles here in the days ahead as time permits.

I have to not agree Bill :(

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• She's super-smart.

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That is YOUR opinion. She/he comes across as a child to me!

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• She's bilingual (actually, trilingual).

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I have a mate in Belgium who's children speak 4 languages and write them! They learn't Flemish and French as kids and then most of the music they listened to was in English .... and after that they learn't Spanish.
But they are thick as two short planks and even my mate says they are!

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• She fought, evidently very effectively, on what could be called the front line with a loaded gun in her hands.

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She/he has posted about that .... But you have been "taken in" a few times before Bill!
Such as .... Corey, Simon Parkes and Charles.
So I do not know!

Who except her/he has any proof of claim .... do you?

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• There's every reason to believe that she has access to information that we may not find anywhere in the controlled Western media — including news reports in Russian, both mainstream and alternative.

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Yes .... But that could be anyone on here! .... But we should also take care about confusing emotional interaction and consideration of events!

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Malisa is (and has been) closer to all this than any of us.

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You do not know that for a fact .... unless you have information we do not!

and I know this post goes against most here .... but I am not after 'likes', just truth .... so sod it :)

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I have to not agree Bill :(

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That is YOUR opinion. She/he comes across as a child to me!

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With the greatest respect to you Lake, and Malisa, you can be super-smart and still prone to emotional reactions when you are young. Will you still be around when Malisa turns 50? I certainly won't but I'd venture a guess that she will be less emotional and even smarter.

TBH I cringe at times when I recall my younger self, don't you?

That US Ukraine biolab thread I posted this morning and then watched the twitter user get nuked while I was editing?

It's archived here

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That US Ukraine biolab thread I posted this morning and then watched the twitter user get nuked while I was editing?

It's archived here

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Here's a link to an archive of the emails thread he mentions in the last tweet, from 20220118, for anyone interested.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220118...66289628778504

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A couple of other places to track what's happening and for insight/perspective is George Eliason's twitter feed, and The Saker.

https://twitter.com/martyrmade/statu...KC2Si8JyUuAR-Q

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Posted by XelNaga

Hi Malisa,

I just wanted to personally thank you for all the info you have provided. I have learned not to trust anything I hear from MSM and politicians, so any info from "regular people" is much appreciated.

I also, in a way, completely understand where you're coming from with your stance and opinions, because as you can see from my profile info, I'm from Serbia.

Serbia is a country that was unjustly bombed by US/NATO, where far more civilians and civilian targets were destroyed than military ones. They have also taken a part of our land (Kosovo) and given it to Albanian terrorists who have, and stil are, killing our people and doing much worse things.

Anyway, thanks for info, and all the best.

As Serbians like to say:
Rusi i Srbi, braća zauvek.

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OMG I can't belive how you can write such things.. Serbs were clearly the agresors killing Croatians, Bosnian and Albanian people after Yugoslavia fell apart.. wake up man, you can sell such horrid lies to people who werent there at the time. :focus:

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I also believed this a long time. But I've seen evidence to the contrary too. THere is also a good documentary based on facts, need to search it again.