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Bill Ryan
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Kryztian
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"Anglo Saxon" is a very ambiguous choice of words. It could refer to:
- Germany - where the two tribes originated
- the British Isles - where the two tribes mixed and created a language and a civilization
- the USA - where people of this descent settled, conquered and colonized the country.
Of course, all of these countries are now much more multi racial and "Ango Saxon" doesn't really explain the official power structures of the government.
Yes, I caught that as well. (...)
Thank you Kryztian, Bill.
As for your first identification, Kryztian (“Germany, where the two tribes originated”), I beg to differ. Certainly the two tribes, the Angli (Pope Gregorius famously said, when presented with a qood-looking fair-haired young “Anglus”: "non sunt Angli, sed angeli” ("they are not Angles but angels”)) – hardly anybody would make such a comment now I’m afraid) and the Saxones (I’m not sure about the Latin for the latter) emigrated to / invaded the Celt-inhabited British Isles. They did so both, and were later considered one group (the "Anglo-Saxons") if only because they more or less jointly pushed the Celts to the North, the West and the South West. All the Angli left Germany, but part of the Saxon tribe stayed, presumably in what is more or less "Sachsen" in Germany now.
That means that the combination "Anglo-Saxon" has been reduced to the meaning: the invaders of the Celtic British Isles and/or the speakers of West-Germanic dialects (as opposed to Celtic ones). In spite of the later Viking invasion and, two centuries later, French/Norman invasion, "English” has stuck as name for the language I am writing this post in, and that in spite of the fact that it contains quite a lot of Celtic, Latin, Norse and French. It also means that the countries in which natives speak English are called Anglo-Saxon in both the
Latin cultures of this world (French, Italian etc.) and the
Slavonic ones (Russian, Polish etc.) – but never, in those civilisational realms, is Germany called "Anglo-Saxon" – Germany which is inhabited by a Germanic population, as are the Netherlands and (partly) Belgium (where Dutch is spoken, a Germanic langage), or (partly) South Africa for that matter (where Afrikaans is also a Germanic language). Admittedly English is, because of its large “Anglish” and “Saxon” content, Germanic as well ("Anglish" and "Saxon" being (West-) Germanic dialects), only it is never called that way (unless in scientific linguistic contexts) but always and only Anglo-Saxon. “Anglo-Saxon” are then, by convention, the countries where English is spoken as a native language, and so we arrive at the five-eyes countries, the UK, the USA, Canada, Australia and New-Zealand.
This is the "Anglo-Saxon" realm, and obviously we arrive then at the "Rhodesian" exceptionalism and at the “Anglo-Saxon mission“ – and certainly the Russian secret services have been aware of this exceptionalism and ”mission“ for a long time and understand it for what it is – what corresponds to what you have relayed for quite a number of years now Bill – ...have been aware of that, because they do know their history (cf. Shaberon’s historic overviews of "Russophobia" as "Orthodoxophobia"), and I conclude that it is indeed to this definition that president Putin refers.
Quite apart from that, I guess the Russians consider it diplomatically unwise to call their erstwhile customers and targets of the USA (see the Rand Corporation study), i.e. the Germans, "Anglo-Saxons".
