WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

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The more you elaborate, the less convincing you are. Too many words. Not saying you’re not for real, but your message seems corrupt. Maybe keep it trimmed.

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This is just a natural effect of your lack of willingness to look at the facts, you can't spend 20 seconds reading something? Or are you looking for excuses to run away from the truth?

I would expect you to be able to focus for at least 5 minutes into something important, but if this is too wordy for you, then you may be part of the current western illness of "too short attention spans". I don't know, look into it yourself

But honestly, it looks more like passive aggressive immature insults thrown at me. Out of lack of a valid response otherwise

Imagine if you would have to read a book about this then, how many pages would you go through before giving up? I expected more, honestly

This is not a real reason to dismiss me, it's more like a "i can't follow sou i'm going to assume you are wrong and give up because this is beyond me" way to handle the issue

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About me: I can believe that Ukraine is a cesspool. I also don’t trust Russian leadership, nor any world leadership actually. Your news of 13k dead in E Ukraine, with western talkers & media silent, does not surprise me. However, I hold anyone, including you, in suspicion. Nothing personal.

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None taken, but don't do what you did above, it just doesn't follow to a good conversation if you plainly say "i'm going to assume you are corrupt because i could not bother to read 3 lines of text and figure out the evidence on my own"

Actually, you ignoring and skipping over all of it makes you the one that looks suspicious. Do you even care or are you just toeing the line?

I'm posting facts with evidence, you are just returning with "i don't know, i don't have any reason or anything to claim you wrong, but i don't know"

I would expect people here to be able to do better than that

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This is the most gentle ad hominem I’ve ever been schooled with. Don’t know whether to laugh or feel indignant (cry).

I am nobody. Why do you care so much about what I think? Besides your info nuggets, which we (many here at PA, at least) appreciate, what is in this talk for you?

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Posted by Bill Ryan

More from J.R. Nyquist, published today. As I mentioned a few hours ago, Nyquist's view of the history and background (and of US agendas) doesn't agree with that of many other analysts.

• https://jrnyquist.blog/2022/02/25/the-war-in-ukraine-interview-with-the-populist-patriot

The War in Ukraine: Interview With the Populist Patriot

…Russia overcame the inertia of collapse and started reviving its power, while the West, being lulled by sweet day-dreams of the liberal ‘end of history,’ castrated its armed forces to the point, when they could be good [only] for leading colonial wars with weak and technically backward enemies. The balance of forces in Europe has thus changed in Russia’s favor.
— Pravda, 13 November 2014

The headline of the Pravda article cited above reads, “Russia takes complete advantage of castrated armed forces of the West.” We also read in that same Russian article, “The illusion of world supremacy played a cruel joke on Washington.” We must ask a question here: Who fostered the illusion of American world supremacy? What country supposedly quit the business of nuclear competition, the business of communist subversion, the business of the Cold War? Russia supposedly quit. But they did not quit!

Nevertheless, we find Tucker Carlson and Patrick Buchanan saying that we have been unfair to Russia, that we have needlessly provoked Vladimir Putin, tricking the Russians with false promises. No. The Russians tricked us. And they were already laughing at us in November 2014.

America wanted to believe that the nightmare threat of Mutual Assured Destruction was a thing of the past. The Americans never wanted a conflict with Russia, or with China. The Americans wanted to live in peace. But we will not be living in peace. The war is coming to us whether we want it or not. And the war has now begun in Ukraine and there will be additional moves.

Here is my discussion with Nevin Gussack of the Populist Patriot.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CqfzjiB0sUk

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Wow great interview, which totally expanded my awareness of what is probably going on. Nyquist is an outsider like Rappaport, I gather, who has been laying down an alternative analysis of Russia vs USA that has found no support except on the very fringes. But how what he says sounds so well informed and alarming.
I wonder if there is a copy of the Nyquist book referred to here, Origins of the Fourth World War? i would really like to read it now.

In thinking about what happens if in the longer term Russia succeeds in overtaking the West and between them Russia and China divide it up? Certainly explains a bit about what has been going on politically in Australia, with so much of the totalitarian behaviour, not to mention the sale of our key national assets to China. :facepalm:

It's on Amazon... Nyquist's book... for € 334. A bit pricey.

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Posted by Johnnycomelately

The more you elaborate, the less convincing you are. Too many words. Not saying you’re not for real, but your message seems corrupt. Maybe keep it trimmed.

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This is just a natural effect of your lack of willingness to look at the facts, you can't spend 20 seconds reading something? Or are you looking for excuses to run away from the truth?

I would expect you to be able to focus for at least 5 minutes into something important, but if this is too wordy for you, then you may be part of the current western illness of "too short attention spans". I don't know, look into it yourself

But honestly, it looks more like passive aggressive immature insults thrown at me. Out of lack of a valid response otherwise

Imagine if you would have to read a book about this then, how many pages would you go through before giving up? I expected more, honestly

This is not a real reason to dismiss me, it's more like a "i can't follow sou i'm going to assume you are wrong and give up because this is beyond me" way to handle the issue

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About me: I can believe that Ukraine is a cesspool. I also don’t trust Russian leadership, nor any world leadership actually. Your news of 13k dead in E Ukraine, with western talkers & media silent, does not surprise me. However, I hold anyone, including you, in suspicion. Nothing personal.

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None taken, but don't do what you did above, it just doesn't follow to a good conversation if you plainly say "i'm going to assume you are corrupt because i could not bother to read 3 lines of text and figure out the evidence on my own"

Actually, you ignoring and skipping over all of it makes you the one that looks suspicious. Do you even care or are you just toeing the line?

I'm posting facts with evidence, you are just returning with "i don't know, i don't have any reason or anything to claim you wrong, but i don't know"

I would expect people here to be able to do better than that

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This is the most gentle ad hominem I’ve ever been schooled with. Don’t know whether to laugh or feel indignant (cry).

I am nobody. Why do you care so much about what I think? Besides your info nuggets, which we (many here at PA, at least) appreciate, what is in this talk for you?

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I got my teenage years stolen by the US and the Nazi Ukraine government the west supported. I did not get a chance to be normal or grow up in whatever you consider normal, therefore i am sometimes extremely unstable and childish like, so much that some of you here on Avalon like to pick on that and constantly criticize, every single reply i see from you guys is just the same lame attack

I will tell you off and i truly don't care about whatever you think, you speak out of your ignorance of real facts and based only on whatever you read or watched.

I may be immature around old ass adults that are so lame they try to attack me because they fear their little fragile world built on lies crumbling and in their weak mindset. A bunch so desperate that in desperate attempt to keep themselves safe they attack like rabid dogs anyone who says things they don't like

Well i'm sorry you are not an adult able to deal with reality and consequences. But once again. THAT'S ON YOU

I'm immature, and dumb and stupid, i have never denied it, and like i said, i never had my chance to be a ridiculous ignorant adult because that chance got stolen from me. I wasn't shielded from any of it, so i did not grow up fat and slow or mindless, i'm sorry i failed your standards lol

That's my excuse. What's your excuse to be immature as a teenager while acting an old *ass adult?

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It does look like you are truly incapable of discussing facts, since just as others before you, here you are discussing me instead of the information being published.
This is a weak approach to the problem being discussed on this thread

Don't you feel like a kid trying to argue in the playground after school? Because you totally are

I posted evidence, with facts that you ignore in an attempt to run away from reality, i can see that, and even if you don't realise it, it's plently obvious.

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what is in this talk for you?

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It explains itself, i have posted all necessary info for everyone to see what's going on.

Please start thinking fast, you don't exactly have all the time in the world, and neither do i, why are you wasting my time with this very low level stuff?

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I can't help to wonder, why a very old grown ass adult, who probably have kids my own age, feels entitled to attack me here just because they can't deal with reality?

Does it feel well being 40/50+ years old and being so lame that attacking someone almost or very likely less than half your age makes your day? Are you so weak and uneducated to think this is ok and cool?

So this is the level of 'education' and 'maturity' of the west 'adults'. Grown up kids? i hope not, but it may explain why some things are the way they are, This is not the first time i see this, plenty of this has happened before, Tantrums and so on

There is a joke that is thrown around the Russian government house, and in other European and Asian nations

It goes something like this "we need a higher door because the US president is visiting, he's 3 kids stacked over each other under a trench coat"

This represents the real view of the west. I don't think that's a lie anymore

This thread is being damaged by constant personal attacks, pure garbage, i don't even understand how people who are supposed to 'act' the adult part are so weak they actually act the middle school kid part just because they don't like what i'm posting

Grow up already, you had plenty of time to do that. And stop attacking me because you are weak, look into your mirror

Sorry if i offended weak people but at least you didn't get yourself blown up by a bomb, you still get to express yourselves, unlike other people who have been silenced long ago

So let's rest and watch

I thank all the people who cared to see and learn and watch, everyone is/should be able to make up their own minds in the end

Taking a break from here now, I did not expect so much hate disguised as "opinions", but there it is and this entire issue is bringing up very terrible things i fought very hard to leave behind in the past years. Does look like some people enjoy harming more than learning, as seen here

I can't deal with this non-sense, i have plenty already to deal with. I can't deal with man child attitudes. If their moms could not, much more less would i. And that's the end of it

So hope you get to see more unbiased truth, or in whatever case watch and discern. Because being able to discern leads to the final truth

Bye

No less an authority on these matters, here recommended by Vanessa Beeley.

Andrei Martyanov – the WEF, the NWO and Russia

ANDREI MARTYANOV is an expert on Russian military and naval issues. He was born in Baku, USSR in 1963. He graduated from the Kirov Naval Red Banner Academy and served as an officer on the ships and staff position of Soviet Coast Guard through 1990. He took part in the events in the Caucasus which led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. In mid-1990s he moved to the United States where he currently works as Laboratory Director in a commercial aerospace group. He is a frequent blogger on the US Naval Institute Blog. He is author of Losing Military Supremacy, The (Real) Revolution in Military Affairs, and Disintegration: Indicators of the Coming American Collapse.

Also worth watching the video before this one, here: New New World Order and War Crimes Tribunal Are Coming

“Martyanov shows that America’s disintegration is irreversible because the ruling elites are an organic part of the calamitous sources of dysfunction that have destroyed the country…The destruction of American unity and foundational beliefs is only one reason that the United States is disintegrating. Martyanov provides a number of other causes of our disintegration. One is that not only the US but the entirety of the Western world is no longer capable of providing competent leadership. This failure is general and not limited to government. Martyanov likens the Western world to a “Warhol can of Campbell’s Soup, which is nothing more than a ‘school of pretense.’” The West’s 15 minutes of fame is up.””

PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

Video: LDNR Recognized, New New World Order Unfolds

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And another great article here:

Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine in Perspective
vanessa beeley / 3 hours ago
Source: The Wall Will Fall

Excellent analysis from Scott Ritter:

After decades of ignoring Russia’s national security concerns, the West is confronted with a military invasion of Ukraine which serves as a precursor for a new Cold War that will define Russia’s relationship with the West for years to come.

Let there be no mistake, on Feb. 24, the world awoke to a new reality. Prior to this date, Russia was treated by the West as an annoyance, belittled by economic and even military elites as little more than a “giant gas station masquerading as a nation,” to quote John McCain, the now-deceased senator from Arizona.

Russian President Vladimir Putin had been subjected to a series of sophomoric psychological profiles that trivialized Russian national concerns as little more than the psychotic whim of a troubled individual. The caricatures that emerged of the Russian state and its leadership colored the analysis of Russia’s oft-stated concerns over what it viewed as its legitimate national security.

This blinded the West to the reality of what was transpiring. Because no one took Russia seriously, no one could imagine a large-scale ground war in Europe. So everyone was taken by surprise when such a conflict broke out.

How We Got Here

Ever since Nato had opened the door to membership for Ukraine and Georgia during the 2008 Bucharest summit, Russia has been making its vehement opposition known.

William Burns, the former US Ambassador to Russia and now director of the CIA, captured the Russian sentiment in a February 2009 memorandum: “Nyet means nyet: Russia’s Nato enlargement red lines.” Russia, Burns noted, viewed “farther eastward expansion as a potential military threat,” giving rise to Russian fears that “the issue could potentially split the country [Ukraine] in two, leading to violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force Russia to decide whether to intervene.”

One need only to look at what has transpired in Donetsk and Luhansk, and Russia’s current military operation in Ukraine, to understand how prescient Burns’ cable was.

Burns, however, was ignored. So, too, was Putin, who had been lecturing the West ever since his landmark speech at the 2007 Munich Security Conference, where he famously called out the US for having “overstepped its national borders in every way.” Putin declared, “This is visible in the economic, political, cultural and educational policies it imposes on other nations. Well, who likes this? Who is happy about this?” He was greeted by silence.

“I am convinced,” Putin told the assembled leadership of the Western world, “that we have reached that decisive moment when we must seriously think about the architecture of global security. And we must proceed by searching for a reasonable balance between the interests of all participants in the international dialogue.”

At Munich, the Russian president warned that Western polices “stimulate an arms race.” He repeatedly warned the US and Nato that President George W. Bush’s precipitous decision to withdraw from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty and then to deploy anti-missile defense systems in two Nato countries, Poland and Romania, posed a direct threat to Russian national security.

In 2018, Putin unveiled new types of Russian strategic nuclear weapons designed to defeat US missile defenses. “No one has listened to us,” Putin declared at the time. “You listen to us now.”

Putin’s 2018 nuclear announcement should have alerted the West to a critical aspect of the Russian president’s personality. “You will have to assess that new reality and become convinced that what I said today isn’t a bluff … trust me,” Putin said at the time.

Nyet means nyet. It was a simple message laid out in uncomplicated terms. Russia was not bluffing. Yet the US and Nato brushed off the Russian concerns, operating under the premise that their principle of an “open-door” policy regarding Nato membership somehow trumped Russian concerns about its national security.

Perception management overtook reality, as Nato tried to sell Russia on the notion that it had nothing to fear, since Nato was ostensibly a defensive alliance. The US and Nato shrugged off Russia’s narrative, which cited Nato’s bombing of Belgrade in 1999, deployment to Afghanistan in 2001, and intervention in Libya in 2011 as prima facie evidence that post-Cold War Nato had morphed into an offensively oriented military alliance whose presence on Russia’s borders constituted an existential threat.

Nato membership remained on the table for Ukraine and Georgia. Moreover, Nato began arming and training the militaries of these former Soviet republics, integrating them into formal Nato exercises that transformed the Ukrainian and Georgian militaries into de facto Nato proxies. Indeed, Ukrainian and Georgian troops deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan were under the Nato flag.

Russian sensitivities were heightened following the Maidan Revolution of 2014, which saw a pro-Russian president replaced by a decidedly pro-Western Ukrainian government that made Nato membership a legal mandate.

As Burns had predicted, Ukraine’s push for Nato membership pushed Russia into a corner, prompting a demand by Russia, submitted to the US and Nato in December 2021, calling for written security guarantees that Ukraine would never join Nato. This Russian demand was ignored. Russia warned that failure to provide the demanded security guarantees would result in “military-technical” responses — a euphemism for war, which Russia implemented in full on Feb. 24.

Where We Are Going

The major takeaway from this unfolding situation should be that Russia’s president does not bluff, and that the West would do well to listen closely to what he has to say. As Russian troops poured across the Ukrainian border, Western diplomats and pundits proclaimed shock and dismay. But Russia had been clear about what it wanted, and what the consequences of failing to get that would be. This war was predictable, if only the West had listened.

The fighting rages in Ukraine. How this war will end is uncertain. The old military adage that no plan survives initial contact with the enemy applies in full. What is known is that the US and Europe are imposing a second tranche of hard-hitting sanctions designed to punish Russia.

It is important to point out that anyone who believed this second round of sanctions would compel a change in Russian behavior will be disappointed. Russia’s course of action has incorporated the full range of sanctions planned by the West — not a difficult task, since there had been wide speculation about their scope since sanctions were first threatened in spring 2021.

The problem isn’t the sanctions, but what follows. These sanctions exhaust the options the US, Nato and the EU have for responding to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. They have no follow-on plan. Russia, on the other hand, has such a plan. It has been very clear about what the future holds. Again, however, the West has not been listening.

Russia will not take this second tranche of sanctions laying down. Putin has made clear that Russia will respond in kind, using symmetrical (i.e., countersanctions) and asymmetrical (i.e., cyberattacks) actions designed to disrupt the economies of targeted nations and entities. Russia has made no secret that this is its intended course of action, but as with its “military-technical” solution for Ukraine, the West shrugged off the Russian threat. Russia, however, does not bluff.

Russia has also made clear that its security guarantees go beyond preventing Ukraine from joining Nato and include the return of Nato’s military infrastructure to pre-1997 levels. In short, all Nato forces deployed into Eastern Europe must be returned to their home bases, and the two missile defense sites in Poland and Romania dismantled.

This is the demand that will drive future Russian relations with the West. Rather than acceding to Russia’s demands, Nato has been doubling down on the reinforcement of its eastern flank, dispatching additional forces to Poland, Romania and the Baltics.

In response, Russia will create an analogous situation to what transpired in Belarus, namely the forward deployment of powerful Russian military formations in what will be, for all practical purposes, a militarized buffer zone separating Nato from Russia proper, with the exception of the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad.

The resulting standoff will closely resemble the Cold War, where Nato and Soviet-led Warsaw Pact forces faced off across the frontier separating East and West Germany. This is the new reality that the world woke up to on Feb. 24 — a Cold War that the West neither wanted, predicted nor is prepared to undertake.

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Scott Ritter is a former US Marine Corps intelligence officer whose service over a 20-plus-year career included tours of duty in the former Soviet Union implementing arms control agreements, serving on the staff of US Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf during the Gulf War and later as a chief weapons inspector with the UN in Iraq from 1991-98.

Here you go, this should not have ever happened, but it did because of the poison the west injected into otherwise friendly nations. This is the result of it all

*I don't know how to embed this video, it doesn't look like there's a way, the MOV tag doesn't work for me, so just click on it and please let me know if it doesn't work, it's a direct link so it will probably open on another tab in your browser

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*Mod edit from Tintin: yes, pretty impossible as there is no recognised movie file extension. I've linked it to my folder in the library so it can be played here now.

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1Q...93eW1kY3dpQWlR



Here's a preview of it. This disdain and plain hate for the Ukrainian flag is a direct cause of the attacks in Donbass, they, even being Ukrainian by being born there, hate that flag. This is how division looks like. Hope this is a wake up signal for people reading this. There was no need for this

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0

Please allow me to repeat again. Before the west's intervention and coup of Ukraine, this was not how people felt, this poisoning of relationships was grown after, and we all know where it came from and who made it possible.

The time for "maybe there's an explanation" or "we'll figure it out with diplomacy" is over, that time was over 8 years ago. Time to grow up, this is the result of neglecting reality for so long

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I often wonder why people dislike seeing factual evidence and rather look away then wait for the mainstream media to come tell them what they want to see, rather than what they need to see

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That is so good I'm tempted to steal it for my signature.

I follow this thread because it has info on it I'm not likely to otherwise come across, but I'm disappointed in the bickering & opinions based on disinfo on here that are basically the same MO as found in ufology. (The gold standard for disinfo & pointless opinions).

Yesterday on the first day of the conflict I got to work at 7.30 & because I was driving that day I had to reset the radio channel from the previous driver, I saw that the BBC world service was on there so I put it on, knowing that the media often tells you things it won't do once the spin machine kicks in.

Amazingly that is what happened, they were telling the truth & having some extremely interesting people on, from both sides in Ukraine, they were all intelligent, calm & remarkably honest. What they were saying matched what you have been saying.

Then it started to change, I can only imagine someone woke up & started screaming at the producers down the phone when they heard it, as it neared 9 am it became un-listenable as the pundits became ever more infantile & emotive.

Why this is happening & why it's only going to be the Ukraine is clear for anyone who has grasped what you have been saying, however that is the last thing that the corrupt deep state & NATO wants anyone to know for far more reasons than what has been happening there.

Everyone needs to see the banned documentary on Operation Gladio to know how "the good guys" , the "free world" (vaxx pasports please) really works, then this might make sense.

As for Putin being WEF, well, we'll see, he might well have gone there to understand western thinking....

I thoroughly recommend the audio conversation between Vanessa and Eva Bartlett, and Eva's experiences on-the-ground in the Donbass. Not in a brightly lit studio with a tele-prompter narrative supplied by Thomson Reuters, but actually on-the-ground.

It's very educational as she recounts the 2014 experiences of citizens in the Donbass and Crimea.



Recorded February 22nd, 2022, 2 days before the actual recent invasion.

Source: The Wall Will Fall

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Donbass and Crimea – an insider view from journalist Eva Bartlett

Audio on Soundcloud

Today I speak with friend, colleague and outstanding on-the-ground journalist, Eva Bartlett.

In 2019 Eva visited Donbass, Ukraine and Crimea. As always Eva brings out the heart of the situation from the people that are being “disappeared” by the criminal legacy media outlets in service to US/UK/NATO predator foreign policy.

This was written by Eva in 2019 relating to the photo I used for this interview:

"Man in centre is DPR press officer and proud father, man furthest away is brave Gorlovka defender, based on front lines of Zaitsevo.

Press officer: “It’s a pity for me that Western media and the world don’t realize there is a Nazi state in the middle of Europe in the 21st Century. They support it and they cannot… When you release Nazis, its something you cannot control, you release a monster, like a Frankenstein creature. You release it and you cannot control them.

It’s a pity that we’re not here fighting together against Nazis. They are dangerous both for us and for the western world. If they finish with us, they will do the same to the western world.

The Western countries support the war crimes, support the killing of our people just because we speak our native language: Russian. That’s the only reason to kill us, just because we like Russia and speak Russian.

I was raised believing in the western ideals of human rights and democracy. And what do I have? I have no human rights. Ukrainian Nazis can kill me and they can go to European Parliament and they will be considered as heroes. They can kill without court, without justice, without anything.

They think we are traitors and Russian agents who betrayed the great Ukrainian nation.

They can kill you. They consider all the journalists as Russian propagandists. Their military can shoot you and never face justice. That goes against my understanding of human rights, that’s not the way I imagined things.”"

Zelensky has escaped Kiev, leaving behind the people and the army to deal with the situation themselves

"So long and thanks for all the fish" applies very well this moment :) Sorry, could not resist...

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I often wonder why people dislike seeing factual evidence and rather look away then wait for the mainstream media to come tell them what they want to see, rather than what they need to see

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That is so good I'm tempted to steal it for my signature.

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Please do if you like so :heart:

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I follow this thread because it has info on it I'm not likely to otherwise come across, but I'm disappointed in the bickering & opinions based on disinfo on here that are basically the same MO as found in ufology. (The gold standard for disinfo & pointless opinions).

Yesterday on the first day of the conflict I got to work at 7.30 & because I was driving that day I had to reset the radio channel from the previous driver, I saw that the BBC world service was on there so I put it on, knowing that the media often tells you things it won't do once the spin machine kicks in.

Amazingly that is what happened, they were telling the truth & having some extremely interesting people on, from both sides in Ukraine, they were all intelligent, calm & remarkably honest. What they were saying matched what you have been saying.

Then it started to change, I can only imagine someone woke up & started screaming at the producers down the phone when they heard it, as it neared 9 am it became un-listenable as the pundits became ever more infantile & emotive.

Why this is happening & why it's only going to be the Ukraine is clear for anyone who has grasped what you have been saying, however that is the last thing that the corrupt deep state & NATO wants anyone to know for far more reasons than what has been happening there.

Everyone needs to see the banned documentary on Operation Gladio to know how "the good guys" , the "free world" (vaxx pasports please) really works, then this might make sense.

As for Putin being WEF, well, we'll see, he might well have gone there to understand western thinking....

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I have a lot of questions about Putin, i have already mentioned his past and what family he comes from. I did here a few times but does look like no one noticed :)

I have reasons to doubt him, but i won't go into detail here, better you look into his past on your own, i already provided some clues, that's about all i can do

As an aside - A anagram of Vladimir Putin= I Invalid Trump.

Just thought it was quirky :bigsmile:

I keep trying to go out and forget about these things, but this is truly beyond, i can't help but come post it here for your enjoyment

Zelensky may not be a true School of the Americas graduate, but he sure does speak as one of them

"We have withstood and successfully repel the enemy's attacks. The fighting continues. In many cities and districts of our state. But we know what we are protecting - the country, the land, the future of children. Kiev and the key cities around the capital are controlled by our army. The occupiers wanted to block the center of our state and put their puppets here, as in Donetsk. We have broken their plan." - Zelensky

He forgot that he was placed in power by the US and he only does what they direct him to do, even if it means sacrificing his own people. He is the very definition of a political puppet....

He still acts as if Donetsk wasn't part of Ukraine right from the beginning, ignoring the fact that the coup organized by the US is the reason that region broke out in the first place

He's turning into Juan Guaido II

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Zelensky has escaped Kiev, leaving behind the people and the army to deal with the situation themselves

"So long and thanks for all the fish" applies very well this moment :) Sorry, could not resist...

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Really? Where's your proof of this?

Just a simple Twitter search shows nothing of the kind.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Zelensk...d_query&f=live

Your sources may be more up to date or accurate than this, so please provide some evidence for your claim. Otherwise please don't post misinformation...

The first casualty of war is truth... That is for sure. Here is an example of conflicting reports from this morning...

Source: https://www.toddstarnes.com

‘I NEED AMMO, NOT A RIDE!’ Ukraine’s President REJECTS US Evacuation Offer

SMG News Wire
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Feb 26, 2022
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy turned down an offer from the United States to evacuate Kyiv, the capital city, the Associated Press reported late Friday.

AP reporter James La Porta said Ukraine’s president decided to stay in Kyiv and fight alongside his fellow countrymen.

“The fight is here’ I need ammunition, not a ride,” the president reportedly told American officials.

Zelenskyy has been spotted around the city wearing body armor and a helmet.

<2 twitter links in the article with pics of Zelenskyy with body armor outside>

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Zelensky has escaped Kiev, leaving behind the people and the army to deal with the situation themselves

"So long and thanks for all the fish" applies very well this moment :) Sorry, could not resist...

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The truth about the vaccine bio-weapon is coming out, insurance companies are going bankrupt from the insane rise in unexpected deaths, respected laboratories around the world are confirming the ingredients are designed to kill or enslave.

The conflict in Ukraine is a smokescreen to distract public's opinion from the REAL stories, the culling and enslavement of the human race.

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Please do if you like so :heart:

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Thank you :yo:

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As for Putin being WEF, well, we'll see, he might well have gone there to understand western thinking....

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I have a lot of questions about Putin, i have already mentioned his past and what family he comes from. I did here a few times but does look like no one noticed :)

I have reasons to doubt him, but i won't go into detail here, better you look into his past on your own, i already provided some clues, that's about all i can do

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Well, I noticed & I doubt that I'm alone in that, he is a very unusual individual, he doesn't fit into any existing stereotype no matter how hard the MSM tries.

I've seen pictures of Putin dressed in masonic robes & with all sorts of strange people, but it's impossible to know the truth from a picture or from the internet in general.

Not much makes sense anymore, ideas that could be dismissed by being labelled "conspiracy theories" became facts after Brandon ordered the mandatory clot shot to be given to the entire US military, the old ideas of "sides" & patriotism seem like quaint antiquated notions now.

Supposedly a live stream from Kiev broadcast by German broadcaster DW (Deutsche Welle)

I watched a few minutes heard a few sirens in the distance -rooftop flag is flying in the breeze, a few pedestrians and vehicles moving, and birds flying onto the column , the background clouds appear static to my eyes.

Not convinced that it is actually live.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1e0MV6ox-OE

Although I am inclined to believe...

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Posted by s7e6e

The truth about the vaccine bio-weapon is coming out, insurance companies are going bankrupt from the insane rise in unexpected deaths, respected laboratories around the world are confirming the ingredients are designed to kill or enslave.

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It is tough for me to take this leap..

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The conflict in Ukraine is a smokescreen to distract public's opinion from the REAL stories, the culling and enslavement of the human race.

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Because it would mean Putin is a puppet of the Cabal. Of all the countries/world leaders, he is the one who seems the most independent. One of the reasons why I seem him as independent is that he has done many things over the last decade to reduce his dependence upon the US dollar. For instance, Russia has multiple alternatives to SWIFT if need be. Malisa brought this to our attention here...

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1467437

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Posted by Vangelo

Although I am inclined to believe...

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Posted by s7e6e

The truth about the vaccine bio-weapon is coming out, insurance companies are going bankrupt from the insane rise in unexpected deaths, respected laboratories around the world are confirming the ingredients are designed to kill or enslave.

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It is tough for me to take this leap..

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The conflict in Ukraine is a smokescreen to distract public's opinion from the REAL stories, the culling and enslavement of the human race.

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Because it would mean Putin is a puppet of the Cabal. Of all the countries/world leaders, he is the one who seems the most independent. One of the reasons why I seem him as independent is that he has done many things over the last decade to reduce his dependence upon the US dollar. For instance, Russia has multiple alternatives to SWIFT if need be. Malisa brought this to our attention here...

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1467437

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I'm totally in two minds about this too. I remember, around November 2021, i was listening to an interview with a Professor of Critical Theory (i can't remember his name but a super smart guy). Anyway, he was saying that the corona virus story was brought into being as a huge crash had happened in the Repo Markets - a crash so big that it would have made the financial crash of 2008 look like a Sunday walk thru the park - if left alone. He went on to say that the wheels were coming off the covid story and that in the next few months (now basically) that a huge event would have to be brought into being to take the eye off the colossal holes in the covid story. So big that it would leave the covid story in the ha'penny place. And here we are and it's all happened so seamlessly. And yet... I'm struggling to now accept that this is what's happening.