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Journeyman, thank you for the extraordinary video with statements made by Pavel Gubarev. Russian racists do exist. Please do upload similar links – even if you do not want to comment on them or on the discussion.
Do consider also the possibility that facts are relayed by a member not because he or she supports just one side but because due to circumstances he or she has the ability of relaying just one side’s facts.
From Youblacksoul this is Ukrainian refugees in the UK expressing their democratic freedom today.
https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/st...41587162218497
Here's Col. Douglas Macgregor talking to Judge Napolitano, livestreamed 4 hours ago. It's a longer than usual interview for him, lasting a full half hour.
Again, Macgregor's not saying anything those following this thread don't already know and understand. It's aimed mainly at those who are genuinely interested in updates, but who may have little time to follow the many daily changing developments.
To assist those viewers, Napolitano fires a salvo of direct questions, the answers to which many regular concerned intelligent people would like to know. (Like, can Ukraine win this war? Or, will Putin use nuclear weapons? Or, have the 300,000 reservists reached the front lines yet?)
I don't need to know these answers myself, but I regard Macgregor's concise and crystal clear exposition as a treat to be enjoyed — and that's why I'm also sharing this video. :thumbsup:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7Zk8_TWszFQ
And a tidbit of quite some surprise and interest to me: at 21:19 Macgregor tells Napolitano that he's "not convinced this is the original Joe Biden... I don't think it is."
(I wasn't expecting him to say that... not even Tucker Calrson or Joe Rogan have said that... yet. :) )
Ravenlocke, I do hope you saw and read my post #5751 on the previous page. :thumbsup:Quote:
Posted by Ravenlocke
Nothing you've posted is inappropriate. It's very much appreciated. If I've been out for most or even half of the day, the first thing I do to see what's been happening is skim through your updates on this thread.
(And the useful thing with Twitter and Telegram is that one can indeed skim them quickly, impossible with long videos and not at all easy with long articles.)
You do a great job on the Turmoil and Chaos all over the Planet thread, too. Twitter and Telegram work well there, for exactly the same reasons. Who knew there was turmoil in Malawi? Or Panama? Or New Zealand? The quick-scan posts there, often featuring one-sentence summaries with an image or a short video, allow readers to then to dive more deeply into those specific news stories if they want to.
But they have to know the stories are there first, so they can be dived more deeply into.
TargeT, accusing you of being a bot (he really meant it!), was out of order — and I'll state that publicly here.Quote:
So sorry to all of you that complained and are offended.
It's SO simple for anyone to see from your 2271 posts that you're not! :) And they're all easy to search for and find, dating 11 years back to 2011.
"all of you that complained and are offended" may be a couple of people. Meanwhile, besides all the members who regularly follow this thread every day, I suspect for the same reasons I do, there are regularly 20, 30 or more guests reading the thread much of the day.
Why? Because this thread is an excellent, user-friendly, running real-time truth-committed ongoing news digest. (And searching the thread, an archive of events, too.)
You won't get that on CNN. :)
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I am not sure if I can post a youtube video at a certain timemark like this but it should start at 28 minutes and 26 seconds in.
Or try this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byBTtJW-008&t=1706s
At the given timemark they present a video that allegedly show 2 missiles hitting the Kerch bridge. When I saw the very first footage from
the security cameras on the bridge I felt that the explosion seemed far more powerful than just a bomb in a truck. Also when you look at
the result the bridge is damaged at 2 different points. Can a bomb in a truck do that?
To get this all perfectly synchronised it may have been a missile strike on a truck loaded with explosives.
And as far as I know the Ukrainians do not have long range (cruise) missiles to hit that bridge. So what exactly happened here?
I guess my decades of experience working for the most powerful propaganda machine in the world gives me no insight to reality; my point is (unless it's deleted) set in history... we'll see how it plays out.Quote:
Posted by TargeT
I think I see the out come and alluded to that in my previous posts on this thread.
question everything, always.
duration proves truth almost always... urgency or "desperately" clinging to one side seems to always play out the same way............ I think we've seen this over and over on this very forum.
i love intelligent responses, is this your offering?
if I had 60+ billion given to me in the last few months I might be surprising also. NOTHING TO SEE HERE!Quote:
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Posted by JourneymanI'm not saying there are two versions of actual truth:Quote:
Posted by Bill RyanI understand your point, I truly do. :highfive:Quote:
Posted by Journeyman
But there are not two versions of actual truth here. Anyone who thinks there are, should know better by now maybe having been a forum member for some time.
And there obviously are some truths being voiced from the Ukrainian side. Even if you see this, as sometimes framed here, as a Manichean struggle between good and evil, can you really argue that one side has a monopoly on truth? That everything coming out of the Kremlin is true and everything from Kiev false? That's a big claim! The problem with the polarised viewpoint that's a hallmark of propaganda and which is increasingly presented here is that the grey areas are removed, the points where opposing forces could potentially meet half-way are eliminated. In this thread we're guaranteed to see the deeds of Kiev represented in the worst possible way and the deeds of Moscow in the best. Historical context is provided in one direction only.Quote:
Posted by Journeyman
Don't get me wrong, exactly the same process is taking place in many western media discussion sites, only in reverse. They will see something like this:
and form their views of Russian attitudes from clips like this:
There's no shortage of nutcases on either side of this conflict and if you're selective with what you show it's easy to demonise one side or the other. That's a process that's underway in both West and East right now. I just don't think we should follow suit and at present this thread is presenting a distorted view, which ultimately is harmful to all concerned.
I appreciate that Bill and the work that you and the moderating team do. :waving:Quote:
Posted by Bill Ryan
To be honest after the response I got last time I pointed out some obvious deceptive propaganda I'd given up posting here and just used it read only. I've only broken silence because I appreciated Target's intentions and thought it worth voicing my support. However having voiced my opinion, radio silence once more.
A two minute impassioned pushback on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez here, which is quite stirring:
In Ukraine, filmed a staged video with dozens of wounded during explosions in Kyiv
Video footage and photographs of the wounded in Kyiv turned out to be staged scenes.
Video footage appeared on the Web proving that the number of wounded as a result of explosions on the territory of Kyiv on October 10 turned out to be, to put it mildly, cheated. As it turned out, the representatives of the SBU specially dressed people as victims and issued the corresponding video footage as an alleged act of aggression.
In the video footage obtained by the news agency Avia.pro, you can see that the video footage and photographs with a couple of injured people turned out to be nothing more than props. In particular, when shooting from a different angle, you can see that the woman is not injured at all, but asks to take a fake picture with supposedly wounded and put it on the Web.
At the moment, there are other photographs and video footage, so far indirectly proving that Kyiv was trying to create a provocation directed against Russia. However, with the advent of information leakage, so far in Kyiv they do not dare to comment on what is happening on the video.
According to the Ukrainian side, on October 10, more than a hundred people were injured as a result of the explosions, however, taking into account staged filming, the number of those may be many times less.
https://avia-pro.net/news/na-ukraine...zryvov-v-kieve
Great interview by Ania and Scott Ritter. Many questions concerning Poland's possible moves with regards to Ukraine.
"SCOTT RITTER ON NATO'S NUCLEAR EXERCISES; SITUATION BETWEEN BELARUS AND POLAND; RUSSIA AND UKRAINE."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlP6rtawQLo
This left me with so many questions though. Why would Poland send 5,000 soldiers to fight for Ukraine. And then try to take over some areas (Galicia?) of Ukraine? I'm confused by all of these old conflicts throughout Europe that keep resurging in some form or other. The USA role in this war is quite clear: they want to maintain hegemony and economic control worldwide, therefore they must destroy any potential competitor, such as Russia.
But what is unclear to me is why are there people in Europe ready to oblige the USA's intentions of destroying Russia, even though the Soviet threat is long gone. I'm specifically talking about some EU people's apparent hatred against Russia from countries like Ukraine and Poland. This isn't a rhetorical question. Understanding this matter might be part of the key to resolving this conflict. Or maybe it's just the elite leaders of Poland who are insane, like Ania and Scott are saying in the above interview, and not the ordinary citizens. Would especially like to hear from any Polish person who might be following this thread.
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Posted by Rizotto
That is a good question and I hope someone can answer that may know more. I checked and Wikipedia has this to say about some of the history. I cannot say if it is all true or not. I have known Polish people over the years and I know they had terrible memories about Russia and Germany themselves and their ancestors. It may be hard for some to look at the present without thinking of the past. Like most, I wish for peace between all nations, leaders that represent the people that want peace and goodness to be our future.
https://www.rt.com/russia/564610-kul...crimea-bridge/
Ukraine behind attacks on Russian regions, FM admits to prank callers
Ukraine's Foreign Minister has admitted that Kiev is behind sabotage operations in Russia, many of which which have killed innocent civilians.
Dmitry Kuleba was speaking with a person he believed to be a former American ambassador to Moscow, according to Russian pranksters with a history of targetting senior political figures.
“Well, if you were to ask me who blows up things in Crimea or Belgorod, then speaking privately, as much privacy we can have in a Zoom call, I’d tell you, yes, that was us,” the top Ukrainian diplomat was shown saying in footage, which was released on Thursday.
The apparent admission was obtained by two Russian entertainers who go by the stage names Vovan and Lexus. They usually pose as foreign officials and trick their target into saying things that he or she would probably not want the public to hear.
During the conversation with Kuleba, the duo posed as Michael McFaul, a former US ambassador to Russia and a vocal critic of Moscow. Among other things, McFaul is involved in an advisory group that helps Kiev ensure continued support from Western governments.
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The prank involved the fake former-diplomat asking Kuleba about Ukrainian intelligence agents, whom he assumed to be active in Russia.
Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova called Kuleba’s words an admission of criminality by the Ukrainian state. Kiev’s top diplomat “confessed to committing terrorism. And in such a way – ‘yes, that’s us.’ Not just the special services or individual saboteurs. The government, the state,” she said on social media.
The pranksters did not reveal the date of the conversation, but they discussed remarks that Zakharova made on September 1st and Kuleba’s travel plans for October, placing it sometime last month.
When discussing with ‘McFaul’ Crimea’s significance in Russia’s military operation against Ukraine, Kuleba called the region a “source of ammo” for Russian troops and “an air base for their warplanes.”
Destroying military sites in Crimea “has a direct impact” on the effectiveness of the Russian forces, he said. But the peninsula “is not the immediate operative target” for the Ukrainian military, he noted.
Ukraine behind Crimean Bridge blast – US media
Ukraine behind Crimean Bridge blast – US media
The foreign minister was also skeptical about engaging with nations in Africa in the context of Kiev’s conflict with Moscow.
“All of a sudden, our friends and partners, the US, the Europeans started a few months ago saying that working with Africa was super important, so that Africa was on our side,” he said.
Kuleba claimed that some African countries “have taken either an openly strictly pro-Russian position or a strictly neutral position. Those cannot be swayed, no matter how much time you spend.” He added that chasing the support of African leaders would motivate them “to profit from” the conflict in Ukraine rather than to take a position “based on facts.”
The minister reiterated Kiev’s calls for increased economic sanctions on Moscow, suggesting that the US and its allies impose restrictions on the Russian civilian nuclear industry. Kuleba urged for more weapons supplies, specifically asking for US-made Patriot long-range anti-aircraft missiles. He also discussed Kiev’s financial situation and how the government hoped that the IMF would provide more loans so that it could operate in the coming year.
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https://www.rt.com/russia/564591-bel...lling-ukraine/
Apartment building hit during Ukrainian shelling of Russian city – mayor
An apartment block has been hit and damaged during the Ukrainian shelling of the Russian city of Belgorod, Mayor Anton Ivanov has said.
“Air defenses had to be activated today again. There’s damage to a building on Gubkina Street,” he wrote on Telegram on Thursday.
The mayor later announced that around 12.40pm local time an unidentified object crashed into the roof of an apartment block as a result of operations involving the air defense systems.
The residents of the affected building have been evacuated, he said, adding that no casualties have yet been reported following the incident.
Images on social media have shown smoke coming from the roof of an apartment block and rubble scattered on the ground.
Some reports have suggested that debris from an incoming projectile or drone may have fallen on the building after being struck by the air defense systems.
Belgorod, which has a population of some 356,000, is the main city of Russia’s Belgorod Region.
READ MORE: Ukraine targets energy infrastructure in Russia – governor
It’s among the border regions that have come under repeated Ukrainian shelling and drone attacks since the outbreak of the conflict between Moscow and Kiev in late February.
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