Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

Batteries hate you:

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In 2022, the the New York City Fire Department responded to more than 200 e-scooter and e-bike fires, which resulted in six fatalities.

“In all of these fires, these lithium-ion fires, it is not a slow burn; there’s not a small amount of fire, it literally explodes,” FDNY Commissioner Laura Kavanagh told reporters. “It’s a tremendous volume of fire as soon as it happens, and it’s very difficult to extinguish and so it’s particularly dangerous.”

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Those are larger batteries, and, of course, massively increased by Covid.

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...lithium ions precipitate with lithium metal on the surface of the negative electrode, causing the phenomenon of dendrite lithium. When the dendrite lithium grows to a certain extent, it will pierce the diaphragm, causing a short circuit inside the battery. And also the dentrite lithium will damage the isolation film. Eventually, an internal short circuit will also occur, causing a safety accident.

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It can emit its own combustible gas and become shock sensitive like TNT.

So, yes, only takes a tiny scratch or a bit too much juice, and, they will definitely combust, possibly explode...just saying something along these lines is possible. We will find out.

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Posted by shaberon

So, yes, only takes a tiny scratch or a bit too much juice, and, they will definitely combust, possibly explode...just saying something along these lines is possible. We will find out.

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If small amounts of explosive weren't installed in these pagers — meaning that the Israelis figured out a way to remotely cause the lithium-ion batteries to overheat and explode — then that has the most unthinkable implications for all smartphone users and drivers of electric vehicles. :flower:

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Posted by Bill Ryan

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Posted by shaberon

So, yes, only takes a tiny scratch or a bit too much juice, and, they will definitely combust, possibly explode...just saying something along these lines is possible. We will find out.

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If small amounts of explosive weren't installed in these pagers — meaning that the Israelis figured out a way to remotely cause the lithium-ion batteries to overheat and explode — then that has the most unthinkable implications for all smartphone users and drivers of electric vehicles. :flower:

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Interim opinions reported on Al Zazeera's swiftly moving Life Updates page.

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Experts say the pager explosions show signs of being a long-planned operation. Investigators had no immediate word on how the pagers were detonated or if explosives had somehow been sneaked into each one.

Images showed signs of detonation, said Alex Plitsas, a weapons expert at the Atlantic Council. “A lithium ion battery fire is one thing, but I’ve never seen one explode like that. It looks like a small explosive charge,” Plitsas said.

That raises the possibility Israel was aware of a shipment of pagers heading to Hezbollah and managed to modify them before delivery, he said.

Another possibility is an electronic pulse “that was sent from afar and burnt the devices and caused their explosion,” said Yehoshua Kalisky, a scientist and senior researcher at the Institute for National Security Studies, a Tel Aviv think-tank. “It is not some random action. It was deliberate and known.”

This may be important. The implication seems to be that this was not done with a suddenly detonated micro-explosive charge.

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Press TV’s correspondent in Beirut reports that certain people who were carrying pagers noticed them heating up before the explosion. Listen to her as she provides the latest developments on the pager detonations.

https://x.com/PressTV/status/1836063308610236914[

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This is what the investigators will be asking:

1. Did pagers that were turned off explode? Can they be analyzed?
2. Did all the explosions happen at precisely the same time, as if activated by one remote signal?

https://x.com/NewsArticleColl/status...14384973906031

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https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1836096032007999761

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#Israel Cyber attack against #Hezbollah:

1. Size Constraints of a Pager
A standard pager is typically around 4 to 5 centimeters in width, 7 to 8 centimeters in length, and 1.5 to 2 centimeters in thickness. This small size limits the amount of explosive material that can be packed into the device. The internal components of the pager (battery, circuit board, display) further reduce the available space for an explosive.

2. Types of Explosives Used
Given the limited space, only a small amount of a very powerful explosive could be used, such as:

RDX (Cyclotrimethylene trinitramine): A high-energy explosive that can be molded into small shapes. Its detonation velocity is around 8,750 m/s, making even a small quantity highly effective.
PETN (Pentaerythritol tetranitrate): Another powerful explosive often used in compact, controlled demolition devices. A small quantity can generate a high-velocity blast.
3. Potential Explosive Yield
A pager might hold a few grams of high explosives, such as 3 to 5 grams of RDX or PETN. While this may seem small, the power of these materials means that such a quantity can produce a significant explosion.
Blast Impact: If positioned close to a vital area (such as on a person’s body), the blast could cause fatal injuries. The explosion's lethality would be maximized by proximity, resulting in shrapnel injuries from the pager's casing, burns, and a concussive blast effect.
4. Triggering Mechanism
The compact nature of a pager allows for the incorporation of an electronic trigger, such as:

Remote activation via a radio signal.
Time-delay circuits.
Vibration or motion sensors to trigger detonation upon movement.

https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1836047527725908454

Some more here

Summary
At least nine people have died and thousands are injured after handheld pagers, used by Hezbollah, exploded in Lebanon on Tuesday afternoon
The health ministry says 200 of those injured are in a critical condition, with a munition expert telling the BBC the devices were likely packed with up to 20 grams of military-grade high explosive
Hezbollah has blamed Israel for the "sinful aggression", saying the country will get its "fair punishment"
Israel is yet to comment - it said earlier that a new aim of the war in Gaza is to return evacuated residents to northern Israel following attacks from Hezbollah
The Iran-backed armed group, based in Lebanon, has been a foe of Israel for decades. Fighting between the two sides has escalated in recent months, raising fears of an all-out war

Further reading
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwyl9048gx8t https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwyl9048gx8t

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Arab intelligence services have found out how Mossad placed explosives in pager batteries

Each battery of the exploded pager contained about 20 grams of pentaerythritol nitrate (PETN). This high explosive is usually used in military detonators.

It is similar to lithium salts used in batteries of electrical appliances. Therefore, even a thorough check by the Arabs did not find anything.

But Israeli saboteurs used it in the following way: at some point, the pagers began to heat up their lithium-ion batteries on a signal, but instead of burning, the battery exploded due to the PETN.

Mossad (Israeli intelligence) placed such mined batteries in the last batch of pagers that arrived in Lebanon from Taiwan (an ally of the United States).

Now the number of victims has increased to 4,000 people.

- Anna News

https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1836126317156118689

https://x.com/Partisangirl/status/1836088534203318699

https://x.com/Partisangirl/status/1836080525397881340

https://x.com/warintel4u/status/1836146467482059125

https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status...67086323732643

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First 14 pages include names of toddlers less than one-year-old!

MoH has issued a 649-page list including only the names of people murdered in #Israeli_bombings and their bodies taken to hospitals!

The number exceeded 40,500.

Names of more than 10,000 people murdered in #Israeli_bombings including 35 of my nephews and nieces were not included!

https://x.com/AbujomaaGaza/status/1836002321911681125

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1836136655855718795

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Posted by Bill Ryan

This may be important. The implication seems to be that this was not done with a suddenly detonated micro-explosive charge.

The text:

Press TV’s correspondent in Beirut reports that certain people who were carrying pagers noticed them heating up before the explosion. Listen to her as she provides the latest developments on the pager detonations.

https://x.com/PressTV/status/1836063308610236914[

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This is what the investigators will be asking:

1. Did pagers that were turned off explode? Can they be analyzed?
2. Did all the explosions happen at precisely the same time, as if activated by one remote signal?

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• Lebanon Blast | Eight Killed, 2,750 Wounded In Pager Detonations Across Lebanon, Health Minister:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fs-Liscif34

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oXmFSbVo57E

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ERqX_CVnNdc

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=i4hrCvmlxJM

Wave of pager detonations in Lebanon lasted an hour: What we know so far

• The wave of pager explosions across Lebanon that killed nine people and injured over 2,750 people, including Hezbollah fighters and the group's medical personnel, lasted for about an hour after the initial blasts.

Pager Detonations Across Lebanon 'Extremely Concerning': UN
Israel shekel plummets against US dollar following mass pager explosion in Lebanon

• youtube.com/results?search_query=pager+detonations

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

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Posted by Bill Ryan

A very major event. :flower:

• https://zerohedge.com/geopolitical/h...zbollah-pagers

Hezbollah's '9/11': Iranian Ambassador Among 1,000+ Wounded after Israel Remotely Detonates Pagers

A covert Mossad operation has unleashed chaos in a southern Beirut neighborhood on Tuesday, resulting in large-scale casualties among Hezbollah operatives and reportedly Lebanese civilians.

Telecommunications devices used by Hezbollah members began exploding, resulting in up to hundreds wounded in the suburb of Dahiyeh. There appears to be fatalities, according to graphic social media images.

Reuters reports, "Hundreds of members of the Lebanese armed group Hezbollah, including fighters and medics, were seriously wounded on Tuesday when the pagers they use to communicate exploded," according to security sources. Al Jazeera has cited eyewitnesses who say there are over 400 victims at just one hospital.

(...MUCH more in the report, including updates)

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Not to make light of that incident, but something similar to that was depicted in the 2009 movie Law Abiding Citizen where a cell phone exploded. It appears the devices were designed as a mini claymore mines.

dailymail: explosion video in the link.

12/10/17 (0:32)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1eIDCUE5B7c

I'm anti war, pro self defense. I hope all innocent lives, regardless of nationality, defends themselves and their peers accordingly. It's the only right thing to do. I'd like to know more, and i'd like to investigate things as a free civilian.. but like, whose to say that what ever I investigate my computer wont explode. whose to say the news reels we read online won't cause someone to explode our cell phone. this is bull****... I'm just saying, we can't expect every nation to respect free speech and freedom to petition the ptb... wtf. this is an invasion of capitalism regardless of who does it... how many people in our nation have died because of exploding electronics, anyone on this forums?

It's bs. the tactic and tech as a whole, isreal had the power to make sure that hamas got those pagers.... who else has this power? Muahahaha... that's questions we should all be investigating, for various reasons.


Be safe all yall. And thanks for your wise words over the past 20 years.

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Posted by Ravenlocke

Mossad (Israeli intelligence) placed such mined batteries in the last batch of pagers that arrived in Lebanon from Taiwan (an ally of the United States).

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This kind of thing should be easy to determine.

So should residues of any chemical agents added where they don't belong.

I wouldn't quite go off the deep end that your phone or laptop might suddenly explode.

What got my attention on this is that pagers *used to* have a motor, they made a lot of noise and "jumped", and so they use a stronger electrical pulse than most other devices. This would be more easily exploitable, but, I don't know if these new ones were like that.

With most batteries, there is *always* a risk of combustion, but, an explosion, of any significant force, still sounds out of line, and the scenario of an added charge with a hack that simply makes the thing overheat, is entirely possible, especially if Lebanon did not get its equipment from a trustworthy source.

It was a clever tactic, and, may take 48-72 hours to say what happened for sure, although there is a foregone conclusion, how did Mossad do it?

It may be as ANNA says. I don't have any reason to suggest it would be very different.

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Posted by Bill Ryan

A very major event. :flower:

• https://zerohedge.com/geopolitical/h...zbollah-pagers

Hezbollah's '9/11': Iranian Ambassador Among 1,000+ Wounded after Israel Remotely Detonates Pagers

A covert Mossad operation has unleashed chaos in a southern Beirut neighborhood on Tuesday, resulting in large-scale casualties among Hezbollah operatives and reportedly Lebanese civilians.

Telecommunications devices used by Hezbollah members began exploding, resulting in up to hundreds wounded in the suburb of Dahiyeh. There appears to be fatalities, according to graphic social media images.

Reuters reports, "Hundreds of members of the Lebanese armed group Hezbollah, including fighters and medics, were seriously wounded on Tuesday when the pagers they use to communicate exploded," according to security sources. Al Jazeera has cited eyewitnesses who say there are over 400 victims at just one hospital.

(...MUCH more in the report, including updates)

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I'll have to track back to ensure this hasn't been posted - thanks to Ravenlocke it actually had - but the American University Hospital in Beirut were notified of a change to the pager system they were using, back on August 29th. We can but speculate....:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXsSkVcb...g&name=900x900

Source: Syrian Girl on X

Putting it all together; sounds like the motors were overheated using an exploit of the old design pager, triggering an explosive charge that also trigerred a sympothetic detonation of the lithium battery. We know Lithium in water goes bang so I do wonder whether H20 is a factor somewhere?