Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

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Posted by Bill Ryan

This seems to be a terrible, escalating situation. We can expect updates and a great deal of commentary throughout today. Turkey has a lot to answer for. How Russia and the rest of the BRICS countries will respond is anyone's guess.

This was posted 15 minutes ago:

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https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/132849[INDENT]The presidential palace in Damascus is on fire, the reception hall has been set on fire, reports AFP.
Before this, Assad's residence was looted.

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Yes, Syria is likely now to be trashed, in the same way that Libya, and Iraq, were, all by design: we're seeing history in disharmony here - the same dissonant music :flower:

I've plenty to share about all this but need to coalesce those thoughts in a coherent manner. Suffice to say, whatever agreement/s have been made between Turkey, Russia, and perhaps even Iran as well in diplomatic back-channels here - that may explain the apparent 'capitulation' of the Syrian Army with barely a whimper: what looks like a conditional surrender - Turkey would I have thought be considered an entryist concerning BRICS, and certainly not to be trusted. And right now Russia won't be wanting to be engaged in a military stand-off with Turkey either.

Also Erdogan has a shocking track record, in my view, of seemingly attempting to play one side off against another, the ultimate sin, for benefit of some kind or other.

Russia were invited to provide assistance and it seems their hosts decided to end the party suddenly. If I were Russia I wouldn't be expending any more resources on a party (Syria) that doesn't want to defend itself, and would rather instead run away: there will also be obvious constraints on materiel and personnel, and no benefit from escalating tensions further while the SMO continues.

Oh, to be a fly-on-the-wall to whatever was discussed.

We await more commentary, and there'll be overwhelming amounts of it :flower:

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From December 7th, yesterday:

SERGEY LAVROV:

"Our country has been a very big backer, not only of Syria, but also of Iraq, Libya, and Lebanon.

It is not our fault that not all resolutions on Middle Eastern issues were adopted. For example, Iraq was bombed out of the statehood without any discussion in the UN Security Council.

It is not our fault that the biggest trend of the modern world—the fight against those who want to keep hegemony, and on the other hand, those who would like to live in a free world where the United Nations demands to respect sovereign equality of states—is really implemented, be it BRICS, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the Gulf Cooperation Council, ASEAN, and many others.

So the fight between these two worlds—one phasing out and the other emerging—is not going without clashes.

The conflicts, which were aggressive adventures launched by the U.S. and its allies in Iraq, Libya, and Palestine—because the behavior of the United States on what is going on in Palestine is absolutely unacceptable—and the invasion of Syria, are all part of the repetition of an old, very old habit: creating havoc, causing chaos, and then 'fishing in muddy waters.'

And the Middle East and Europe are no longer enough for them.

NATO, under the United States' command, pronounced last year at the summit that security in the Euro-Atlantic region is indivisible from security in the Indo-Pacific region.

So they already eye the entire Eurasian continent, including the South China Sea, the Strait of Taiwan, and the Korean Peninsula.

They are creating NATO-like military blocs, and NATO infrastructure is being promoted to the region.

This is a reflection of attempts not to allow hegemony to phase out.

But this is a fight against history.

So yes, we are very much sorry for the Syrian people who became the subject of yet another geopolitical experiment.

We are absolutely convinced of the inadmissibility of using terrorists like Hayat Tahrir al-Sham to achieve geopolitical purposes, as is being done now with the organization of this offensive from the Idlib de-escalation area.

But, you know, what we do in the world… maybe the mentality is different.

I know the Americans very well. For them, what is important is how they are perceived.

And they always want to be perceived as number one.

When they say something, everybody must say, 'Yes, sir,' whatever Uncle Sam decides.

In our case, it's not about being concerned with the impression we make on people.

We do things in which we believe.

Since 2015, if we could help to keep the Syrian state intact, and if we could organize the process with our Iranian and Turkish colleagues—what is called the Astana process—and meet today, as you mentioned, this in itself has been a very helpful process.

Nothing goes smoothly in world diplomacy, but the events we are witnessing today are clearly geared to undermine everything we have been doing during those years.

We’re not sorry about the image people have of the Russian Federation—or me personally—but we are deeply concerned about the fate of the Syrian people.

We don’t want them to suffer the same fate as the Iraqis, Libyans, and other nations who were disturbed by those desiring to keep their domination."

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Turkey would I have thought be considered an entryist concerning BRICS, and certainly not to be trusted.

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Just as Brazil vetoed Venezuela from entering BRICS, some other BRICS member (Iran, if not Russia or China) would seem VERY likely now to veto Turkey.

But just as per the famous quote about having 'your enemy in the tent p*ssing out' rather than vice versa, being blocked from BRICS might firmly glue Turkey into continuing NATO membership, with many further difficulties as a result.

The very best thing to happen, one suspects, would be for Erdogan to be somehow deposed (which is not impossible), replaced by a truly nationalist president who is also willing to take definitive action against Israel, as Erdogan has failed to do despite overwhelming, continuing pressure from the Turkish population.

at the risk of over simplifying - HTS was basically a sleeper cell that the US activated to further muddy the situation?

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at the risk of over simplifying - HTS was basically a sleeper cell that the US activated to further muddy the situation?

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Yes. :thumbsup:

Turkey = Joker

I never trusted this country about ANYTHING... I see his lieder = as the Israhell lieder

He dream with the Ottoman empire revival...

About Europe, when it was clear don't go to enter in the European Economic Union ,he say "we will conquer Europe with the belly our woman..."meaning massive immigration...(legal or not)

Just in Berlin alone,from 3.000.000 people, 250.000 are Turks! and who knows how many in West Germany...Why so many? because in 2WW they battle together with Hitler scums...

They battle Russia many times in feudal times ...

And some years ago they took dawn Russian airplanes too! in Syria! and then ... ooops! it was just a "mistake"...

There were against Syria president, against kurds and what not...

Now there are NATO nuclear weapons there... and they have a strait face wanting to enter BRICS!

They are like a monkey with a gun...

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I just cant keep up, is Israel not busy licking its wounds from the Lebanon thing?
Maybe its an opportunity too big to miss for the greater Israel plan..

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Israel won in Lebanon. I don't know where you got the licking the wounds thing from but I'm guessing it's disinformation.

Assad has fallen because Putin has thrown wave after wave of resources at Ukraine - something Russia does incredibly well. Unfortunately for Syria though, Russia can't commit to defending them now. If we add the air strikes from Israel amd the meddling from Edrogan into the mix, then the house of cards collapses.
I fear what the Syrian people will go through in the present and near future...

To all those on here and to the wider Internet, I'd like to say something:

If you cheered Oct7th and supported Hamas as heroes, look at the fruits of their labour. Look how Gaza has turned to Rubble and dust. Look at how southern Lebanon has been battered and now look to Damascus and Homs.

None of this need to have happened.

Israel immediately targeted Damascus air defenses and several other installations, so, I don't have great hopes for the future of that plane.

Followed by entering Golan.

This situation is a bit illogical, in the sense that it almost sounds like an internal stand-down, maybe like France in WWII. There's no apparent reason how anyone could just cruise into Damascus.

Let me guess, these so-called Jihadis have no interest in Al Aqsa.

I sort of don't want to hear an HTS political discussion. Somehow, they could turn Idlib into something that defeats a national army. Must be something behind it.

I suppose this just gets worse, no expectations of anything especially restorative just "popping up", can only watch the ratchets of partially-aligned powers perhaps prevent the worst, or maybe they can't.

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quote: "Opposition fighters in Syria, in an unprecedented move, have totally taken over numerous cities, in a highly coordinated offensive, and are now on the outskirts of Damascus, obviously preparing to make a very big move toward taking out Assad. Russia, because they are so tied up in Ukraine, and with the loss there of over 600,000 soldiers, seems incapable of stopping this literal march through Syria, a country they have protected for years. This is where former President Obama refused to honor his commitment of protecting the RED LINE IN THE SAND, and all hell broke out, with Russia stepping in. But now they are, like possibly Assad himself, being forced out, and it may actually be the best thing that can happen to them. There was never much of a benefit in Syria for Russia, other than to make Obama look really stupid. In any event, Syria is a mess, but is not our friend, & THE UNITED STATES SHOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. THIS IS NOT OUR FIGHT. LET IT PLAY OUT. DO NOT GET INVOLVED!"unquote

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Pretty perfidious, given that the USA are involved already more than ever.

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Israel immediately targeted Damascus air defenses and several other installations, so, I don't have great hopes for the future of that plane.

Followed by entering Golan.

This situation is a bit illogical, in the sense that it almost sounds like an internal stand-down, maybe like France in WWII. There's no apparent reason how anyone could just cruise into Damascus.

Let me guess, these so-called Jihadis have no interest in Al Aqsa.

I sort of don't want to hear an HTS political discussion. Somehow, they could turn Idlib into something that defeats a national army. Must be something behind it.

I suppose this just gets worse, no expectations of anything especially restorative just "popping up", can only watch the ratchets of partially-aligned powers perhaps prevent the worst, or maybe they can't.

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The Syrian defence forces retreated back without putting up much of a fight, apparently. I agree that it does seem too slick to be taken at face value.

He survived and showed up in Moscow.

We are probably looking, at least, in a Turkish partition, and full Peshmerga mobilization, which may indicate their loss of interest in a federation. The U. S. certainly isn't leaving. So, we go from something that was zipped up rather tightly, to a map-drawn area full of hostiles. In this sense, "Balkanization" seems almost natural, since it has never really been through any formative process, and certainly didn't transit to one.

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Just in Berlin alone,from 3.00.000 people, 250.000 are Turks! and who knows how many in West Germany...Why so many?

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It's also because under the U. S. occupation, Germany has stagnated.

They don't have enough trained labor:

Other estimates speak of the need for an influx of around 300,000 migrants annually...



That article goes on to multiple Volkswagen closings, thousands of layoffs monthly from Thyssen, Bosch, and several other large companies, although Rheinmetall was not mentioned.

It's losing, conservatively estimated, about half a million jobs, but the products will be more expensive.

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Maybe its an opportunity too big to miss for the greater Israel plan..

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Yes. But there's no way Israel can keep this all together, they're far too stretched in every way. And there's no way the BRICS nations will tolerate this, with or without Turkey. Both Russia and China are reported to be 'furious'. Something fairly major will happen soon in response to all this — but I have absolutely no idea what it may be.

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This is the middle part of the game called “destroying Russia”: tying the Russians up in Ukraine long enough to miss this and overstretching them when they react – thus provoking both Russia and Iran to use devastating weaponry on Israel as well as cut off all oil to the West; endgame: nuclear exchange. (Hungry heads of family shouting “Bomb them! Bomb them!” (free variation on William Burroughs.)

Neatly carrying out the Anglosaxonians’ Mission, as far as I can see, Bill...

"God, give me the strength to press the button.” (Trump, keppele on his coiffure, picturing himself kissing the threshold of the Third Temple).

“Bill,” (me to the other Bill: Bill Burroughs) “keep caressing your kitties in heaven or hell, I’ll call and say hello if they let me.”

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He survived and showed up in Moscow.

We are probably looking, at least, in a Turkish partition, and full Peshmerga mobilization, which may indicate their loss of interest in a federation. The U. S. certainly isn't leaving. So, we go from something that was zipped up rather tightly, to a map-drawn area full of hostiles. In this sense, "Balkanization" seems almost natural, since it has never really been through any formative process, and certainly didn't transit to one.

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Assad visited Moscow rather recently . It seems Syrian army for days were given orders to retreat. Overtaking of Syria was rather peaceful, no major battles etc. Seems some sort of deal has been made and was part of the deal that Russia gets to hold on to Latakia and Tartus ? Without those Russia weakens in the region and in Africa and doubtful Russia would allow that. So its interesting if the new power allows Russia to stay or not . If yes then i would guess a deal was made and it would explain why neither Assad or Russia didnt fight back much .

• Syria Civil War Live Updates: Plane Carrying Assad Disappears From Radar:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yILKadur80U

Stay updated with the latest developments in the Syria Civil War. A plane carrying Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has reportedly disappeared from radar, sparking intense speculation and concern. In this live update, we track the unfolding situation, the impact on the war, and international reactions to this major event. Follow NewsX for comprehensive coverage and real-time information as the story develops.

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A private Embraer Legacy 600 jet flying the Gambian flag (call sign: C5SKY) has left Damascus for an unknown destination. The flight has sparked speculation, especially amid rising tensions in the Syrian capital. Many are wondering who exactly is on board and whether it is related to a possible evacuation of key figures in the Syrian government.

Some sources suggest that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad himself or members of his inner circle may be on board. Given the ongoing offensive by rebel forces, which have come critically close to the capital, such rumors do not seem unfounded. However, there has been no official confirmation of the passengers or the purpose of the flight.

The Gambian-flagged plane, registered to a private individual or company, is rarely seen in the region. Its sudden departure from Damascus has drawn the attention of experts, who see it as a possible signal that the Syrian leadership is preparing for a drastic change in response to the worsening situation on the front.

The situation in Damascus remains critical. The capital is surrounded from three directions, and the prospects for its further defense are becoming increasingly bleak. In these circumstances, evacuating key figures from Damascus could be a logical step to ensure their safety, especially against the backdrop of reports of the redeployment of Syrian troops to the borders with Iraq.

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• flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/c5-sky
• planespotters.net/airframe/embraer-erj-135-c5-sky-private/rm9qqo

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• Damascus Has Fallen:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PFAN2G1P958

Islamists rebels are in control of Damascus and the western part of Syria. Israel has established a 14km buffer zone on the Syrian side of the Golan Heights, and IDF troops have taken positions on the summit of Mount Hermon.

Alexander Mercouris has just published his report about this entire complex set of recent developments. I'm only a few minutes in, but it seems to me to be well worth listening to for anyone who's interested in drilling down into all the confusing fine detail, some of which features a great deal of history.

Most interestingly, in the first few minutes of the video Mercouris states that Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov, in a new interview with Al Zazeera, was uncharacteristically bad-tempered and irritable. (My guess is that Lavrov is not only personally furious about the whole thing — as is Putin, I'm sure — but he's probably VERY short on sleep.)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=u7KEUHZgIgw


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Yes, for me this was the clearest and most articulate presentation of the entire situation (and its history) as I've yet heard. For anyone willing to invest an hour and a quarter in listening to this (if they do want to know more), it may well be worth it.

I still look forward to Alastair Crooke with Judge Napolitano early tomorrow morning US time, and to Pepe Escobar whenever he may have time to do any interview at all. But this from Mercouris will have equipped me very well to better understand what further information Crooke and Escobar may present.

• Russia Foreign Minister Deciphers The Latest Syrian War In An Interview:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oVzvHox0Avw

Russia's Sergey Lavrov in the latest interview on 07 December 2024 says, "It’s inadmissible to allow the terrorist groups to take control of the lands in violation of agreements which exist starting with the UN Security Council Resolution 2254 which strongly reiterated the sovereignty, territorial integrity and unity of the Syrian Arab Republic, which condemned any attempts by terrorists to disturb the life of Syrians, and which called for the direct dialogue between the government and the opposition. And the opposition groups listed in that Resolution".

"If we speak about Hayat Tahrir al-Sham specifically, in 2018 and 2020 in the framework of the Astana format two agreements were signed clearly solidifying the common resolve not to allow Hayat Tahrir al-Sham to rule in Idlib to be thrown out of Idlib. And this agreements have not been implemented. And now they are grossly violated", Lavrov added.

• Reports Syria’s former president granted asylum in Moscow:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8BtyVxdBd_I

Russian state media has reported Syria’s former president Bashar al-Assad and his family have arrived in Moscow. Sources close to the Kremlin say that he and his family have been granted asylum. This comes after Syria’s government was overthrown by rebel forces.

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• Russia Foreign Minister Deciphers The Latest Syrian War In An Interview:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oVzvHox0Avw

Russia's Sergey Lavrov in the latest interview on 07 December 2024 says, "It’s inadmissible to allow the terrorist groups to take control of the lands in violation of agreements which exist starting with the UN Security Council Resolution 2254 which strongly reiterated the sovereignty, territorial integrity and unity of the Syrian Arab Republic, which condemned any attempts by terrorists to disturb the life of Syrians, and which called for the direct dialogue between the government and the opposition. And the opposition groups listed in that Resolution".

"If we speak about Hayat Tahrir al-Sham specifically, in 2018 and 2020 in the framework of the Astana format two agreements were signed clearly solidifying the common resolve not to allow Hayat Tahrir al-Sham to rule in Idlib to be thrown out of Idlib. And this agreements have not been implemented. And now they are grossly violated", Lavrov added.

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Just a note here. This interview was clearly done before Assad was overthrown and left the country. It's always educational to hear Lavrov speak, but a very great deal has happened since the interview was concluded.

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• Russia Foreign Minister Deciphers The Latest Syrian War In An Interview:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oVzvHox0Avw

Russia's Sergey Lavrov in the latest interview on 07 December 2024 says, "It’s inadmissible to allow the terrorist groups to take control of the lands in violation of agreements which exist starting with the UN Security Council Resolution 2254 which strongly reiterated the sovereignty, territorial integrity and unity of the Syrian Arab Republic, which condemned any attempts by terrorists to disturb the life of Syrians, and which called for the direct dialogue between the government and the opposition. And the opposition groups listed in that Resolution".

"If we speak about Hayat Tahrir al-Sham specifically, in 2018 and 2020 in the framework of the Astana format two agreements were signed clearly solidifying the common resolve not to allow Hayat Tahrir al-Sham to rule in Idlib to be thrown out of Idlib. And this agreements have not been implemented. And now they are grossly violated", Lavrov added.

• Reports Syria’s former president granted asylum in Moscow:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8BtyVxdBd_I

Russian state media has reported Syria’s former president Bashar al-Assad and his family have arrived in Moscow. Sources close to the Kremlin say that he and his family have been granted asylum. This comes after Syria’s government was overthrown by rebel forces.

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Just a note here. This interview was clearly done before Assad was overthrown and left the country. It's always educational to hear Lavrov speak, but a very great deal has happened since the interview was concluded.

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100% correct, as it states, quote: "Russia's Sergey Lavrov in the latest interview on 07 December 2024" unqote, but it is good to know what his views were just 2 days before it happened!