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Hey Marcus, I don't mind discussing the issue either. Not at all. I hope I didnt give the impression otherwise.
I find that you always start the coolest threads..and this is one.
Just wanna make that clear. I'm emotional about it, and I have a pretty strong opinion one way, but it's absolutely 100% a valid discussion imho. I find most of the responses to be very intriguing.
I'm emotional about it too, and I'm betting we have a very similar feel on this. I've developed a bit of detachment in order to discuss the particulars with folks so to be able to talk folks out of this trendy way of thinking.Quote:
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Really I'm cat fishing in a way. I'm throwing out the bait which is a particular piece that backs up this topic, so as I can reel them into the light. :sun: LOL I don't know why, but that really cracked me up. :sun:
How about this,,,
For folks who are convinced the light is a trap, and that you plan on not allowing yourself to go to it, what is your alternative?
That is my question, what is your alternative to the light?
If folks will refer to my original opening for this thread, I give my 2 cents in what I think happens to folks who do not allow themselves to travel the tunnel of light. But I'll go there again.
We as human beings are made up of fine energy bodies as well as a physical body. These fine energy bodies are very much needed while we are alive. But, these fine energy bodies are for the most part mistreated by "us" due to certain maneuvers that have been performed against us. If we are capable of awakening these energy bodies we "perceive" through them and see things that are also made of that density. But this is rare and takes a lot of work by those of us who are just looking for a "peak". As far as I know, folks fail for the must part to awaken and maintain these energy bodies. It is just amazingly hard and the forces aligned against us will make personal appearances should you gain a modicum of success in awakening your energy bodies.
Our energy bodies are delicious to these folks I'm alluding to. They taste good to milk while we are alive and they taste great in the flesh after we are dead. These energy bodies are quite sought after.
When we die we leave these energy bodies behind, for they are part of the mortal coil just as our bodies are. But our immortal soul moves on.
Now here is the deal with folks who do not move on. They are souls without energy bodies and this causes them to no longer receive nourishment from source-(God). So, they are forced to become parasites themselves and feed on the energy bodies of the living.
This is Universal.
And I'm not quoting something out of a book.
For details concerning experiences in this area go here. And here.
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I'm in disagreement with the rationale given for changing the name of the thread and I would like to see the name changed back to it's original as I've already requested to the mod team.Quote:
Without commenting on the philosophical discussions of this thread, I have had more than 20 years of experience with the aid of guides in moving souls both in and out of bodies for the benefit of the individuals involved. If you want to know more read Your Multiple Souls, recently published and available on Amazon.
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With all that experience, why wouldnt you comment on the philosophical discussion here?:)
I'd really like to hear what you have to say.
In response to Mike's request for me to give some of my opinions on the nature of the soul, here is an excerpt from my book:
"I see the soul as an energetic envelope, separate from the body, and distinct from God. It is physically larger than the body of any sentient being. Energy implies materiality, and thus I take a middle position between those who reduce the soul to matter and those who inflate the soul to God. This energy envelope surrounds the body like a cloud, or mist, which in some points is attached to the body—indicative of more complete absorption in those locations. The materialists are partly correct when they try to place the soul inside of the body. The soul is attached to parts of the body, but which parts may vary from person to person.
This localized connection may explain why particular attributes of an individual, i.e. “brilliant mind,” “beautiful heart,” may actually have their foundation in soul energy highlighting these particular areas."
The reason I didn't choose to comment more last night was that is was late my time, and also I have so much experience working with souls that my opinions are less malleable than those of others on this thread, or on this forum.
Hope this is not too much OT, but I draw a distinction between the Soul and the Spirit (Divine Spark), the latter being that kernel of Divine Essence (which not everyone has by the way), which is synonymous with, and of the same 'material' as Source.
I am interested in peoples views on Soul v Spirit.
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I hope you don’t mind me adding this information, Arcturian108. If so I’ll delete.Quote:
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Your Multiple Souls - How They Direct Your Creativity, Genius, Complexity, and Moods, by Ruth Rendely.
A video from Ruth Rendely's YouTube channel also the audio found on her website called, The Nature of Soul.
Published on Apr 4, 2015
This discussion of the theory of multiple souls was part of a radio interview that took place in 2002 in Sydney, Australia. The theory it presents is the basis of the book shown in the image that was published in March of 2015. The book presents the theory in depth and includes many case studies involving multiple-souled people. The complete healing of depression in individuals who have been long-suffering is one of the main reasons to know about this theory.
With respect for various experiences.
In Maya (Illusion--the cosmic dream) all things are possible.
The enlightened mystics for thousands of years have uniformly stated--there is "Only One Without a Second" , that is very clear--one soul, one Self.
One soul can not be captured--there is nothing separate to capture, be captured.
This is ultimate reality--according to Mystics.
So this can be believed or not believed.
Eckhart Tolle quote "There was never anyone there to do anything to you."
Chris
With respect for duality.
It is my temporary state, as is the body my residence for the moment.
What If?
The One Self--that is formless, wanted to have experiences.
The experiences would have to be very real and as varied as possible-- so seemingly unique separate individuals were created.
All would have individual potential.
Some would be what we call evil some what we see as Saints.
The play would be ongoing---with the Self safe in the knowledge that nothing was happening to Self.
Some, seeming individuals, would come out of the dream state--awaken to the realisation of Self.
They would point the way out of the dream state maintained and held in place by ego.
So all experiences are valid and seem very real in duality. (Duality is more that one)
The Soul is not affected in anyway, is eternal, unchanging, Omni potent, Omni present.
What can capture that/this?
Not saying this is so.
Chris
Yes, greybeard - your hypothesis I would say is pretty much what happened.
And with this "games" were born. Games require opponents to win over. (Try to play a game against yourself - you'll pretty soon be bored.)
The problem is that games are also fun and addictive.
In regards to whether souls can be trapped is simple: When the soul is made to agree that it can be trapped, the soul believes it is trapped - even though it can't be in fact.
An interesting analogy is the elephant who gets tied with a rope around one of his legs to a pole when he is small. At this stage he is unable to pull out the pole.
He becomes accustomed and later when grown-up, he is still tied to the same size pole which he would be able to pull out without effort - but he doesn't even try!
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Seah you make excellent penetrating statements. So much so I find myself saying, hmph I've got to wait to respond to that on a day when I'm not bouncing my one year old on my lap.Quote:
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But those moments are few and far in between. So here I go while she is taking a nap. :)
John Lear has been hugely influenced by a guy named Lou Baldin.
Lou is one of those guys who doesn't really have a huge following because his material does not fit into any preconceived mold about what is going on.
He's written a book or two.
I've tried getting into Lou a few times, but I've never done so to the extent I would like.
I think Lou would be a top notch interview for Kerry, and I hope she finds the time some day to do so.
Lou basically states that he remembers being abducted all through his life even as an infant and if I'm not correct, he remembers being a soul and being placed into his mother's womb by ET.
This is why his stuff rubs folks wrong. Baldin basically is saying that the ET we have come to know as the Tall grey are the administrators of this planet and this includes monitoring our entry into our bodies and our leaving our bodies.
The deal with the earth being a prison planet and the moon a soul recycling facility is all very Lou Baldin.
I've not had enough exposure to Baldin at this time to give you my take on him either way. He is very enigmatic though.
I get the feeling John Lear may have changed his take on Baldin, and that is all very fair, we all change our minds as time goes by.
Lear also seems to be changing his mind on the Apollo moon landings. He is now saying he no longer believes they happened.
This in contrast to his previous statements where as he would state it was his belief that there was a fourth "hidden" member of the crew not known to the general public for that "4th" member was in charge of handling a top secret exotic technology that was supposed to be helping the Apollo missions make their trips.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAluxiVsc4k
Also Seah, you had mentioned this "As to what caused me to change my mind on the 'light' was sleepers ...",
This was probably Sleepers', because Lou Baldin is known as Sleeper on GLP.
Being daddy trumps everything, DNA, good on you. I've put in my time reading sleeper and Lear threads till my eyes grew hazy, such was my need to get a grasp on what is what back in the early 2000's. Sleeper/Baldin is not letting much out of the bag from what I've come across, perhaps that is as it should be.
It does appear that some faction of alien acts as administrators to humanity on this planet to me, in fact, I suspect every single being on Earth is being 'abducted' at regular intervals throughout their life, something I agree with Lear about. I believe he claims it is at three, seven and eleven, or there about, which sounds about right to me, as per personal experiences.
The best we can do is to be true to ourselves while living our lives, the rest sorts itself out. The scenario of getting trapped on Earth is in my opinion ending with this life. We all needed to be here for the great event I hear is underway, then we are headed exactly where we each belong.
We are born with the gift of curiosity.
As far as spiritual discovery goes there would seem to be a process.
As a younger seeker I was interested in many things that I now see as a distraction, but they served their purpose then.
The normal I found boring and kept looking for a secret truth---the more bizarre the better, bits and pieces discovered gave me an adrenalin rush and many hyper sleepless nights.
Eventually I found the truth I was looking for under my nose, so to speak--not out there --not separate, but within me.
I and everyone else is pure awareness.
It is permanent--you can not turn it of--it is always there.
You are aware of what you do--aware of what is going on--aware the moment you wake--and awareness carries on when you are asleep--it will alert, you, wake you, up if that is required.
You don't need anyone to tell you that you exist--you don't need a book or some one else's word for it--you are.
This is the eternal truth. That's what you are.
All the rest is the story which you witness.
As said in another post. that which you truly are is not affected by life---the buying into this story does affect the persona--the emotions and therefore the body.
If stories like soul capture are believed then it will eventually have an effect on your health--no one is immune to the effects of repeated exposure to the likes of this.
Just saying.
I'm not into love and light but there is a balance.
You can be aware that an iron is hot without touching it--you can be aware that some things/concepts are best left alone.
Chris
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... aware the moment you wake--and awareness carries on
when you are asleep--it will alert, you, wake you, up if that is required.
A "pure" something is something whole, unmixed with something else, unalloyed, unaltered... right?:silent:
... then, how come IT wakes YOU up? and, in the first place, how come YOU - "pure awareness" - can fall asleep?
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... aware the moment you wake--and awareness carries on
when you are asleep--it will alert, you, wake you, up if that is required.
A "pure" something is something whole, unmixed with something else, unalloyed, unaltered... right?:silent:
... then, how come IT wakes YOU up? and, in the first place, how come YOU - "pure awareness" - can fall asleep?
The me is not what I am in ultimate terms but the me in the dream goes to sleep and wakes up.
Ultimate truth does not sleep.
We are discussing something which the mind can not get--it can be pointed to though.
What is on the link--Mooji speaking of awareness may help.
I dont expect anyone to automatically take my word for anything.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1066424
Chris
In fairness Non-duality has a language/terms all of its own.
It just does not make sense in usual discussion.
For example--"There is no one left to claim enlightenment" (after that event).
"I am form--formless--both and neither"
"I am the totality, all of it"
"The Universe brings everything about"
" I am not the doer"
Its normal to come from a of place believing you are the body and just possibly something might survive after death.
Eventually after reading many books on Self Realisation/enlightenment comes the realisation that it may well be true that only God is and I am that---"I am that" is the name on an excellent book by Nisargadatta Maharaj.
All evidence seems to say that I am a unique individual.
However the books I mention from time to time all say the same thing--NDE point to the same thing.
Jesus said "The Father and I are One"
People are free to believe what they want--increasing numbers of people are coming to believe in non-duality.
Mooji has millions listening to the teachings that come through him--Eckhart Tolle and others the same.
Tim on his thread explains far better than I can. I will put the link below.
All this points to why I believe a soul can not be captured.
Chris
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post456904
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Love this picture. . . . and yes, allegedly a soul agrees to be in a body - so, one could perceive being in a body as trapped - and since we 'forgot' we agreed to being in this body, yet have become aware we are something more than a body, I suspect the now-aware soul can feel trapped.
Can the soul leave the body at will? I don't know.
Many, including myself have had OBE's but I don't know how it happened nor do I have the ability to create the experience at will.
Did my consciousness (or soul) create my body? So could I uncreate it? . . . or create a different or better one? And if so, does this all than go back to conscious manifesting? . and within that, how much of our free will do we have to manifest what we want?
Precisely. The issue is how we come to agree, many of us remember the manipulation that took to get us here.Quote:
yes, allegedly a soul agrees to be in a body - so, one could perceive being in a body as trapped - and since we 'forgot' we agreed to being in this body, yet have become aware we are something more than a body, I suspect the now-aware soul can feel trapped.
Perhaps some souls (simply) are just overwhelmed with dealing with this plane of expressive existence ... :)Quote:
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