Materialistic Science, Scientific Materialism... and Truth

VERY Good News!!
Covid update: The grand Ohio legal case for our time, against kings on their thrones
by Jon Rappoport
9/15/20
—You can hate the law until it’s not there anymore—
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020...their-thrones/

"The news is coming fast, the implications are titanic.

On Monday, I wrote about Thomas Renz, the Ohio lawyer who is taking on a case for a set of plaintiffs, against Ohio Governor Mike DeWine and the state of Ohio.

The charge: DeWine has created massive damage through lockdowns and other “containment measures” designed to stop the spread of the purported coronavirus.

Against DeWine, attorney Renz has mounted a legal case to defeat both Constitutional violations AND gross scientific fraud.

(Attorney press release posted here; Attorney plaintiff document filed with court posted here: https://renzlaw.files.wordpress.com/...nt-final-1.pdf)

Update: A crucial part of this case is the DISCOVERY process. Attorney Renz and his colleagues would have the opportunity to sit down with key players in the COVID operation and grill them, in great detail, on matters of fact and science.

Imagine Fauci, Birx, Redfield in the room having to answer very probing questions UNDER OATH.

And the discovery proceedings would be made public, as they happen. Renz would be filing periodic reports with the court.

Another factor. The Ohio court, as part of its verdict, could grant PERMANENT INJUNCTIVE RELIEF. This means it could order the governor of Ohio to cancel the State of Emergency—thereby ending all orders and “containment measures” connected with the Emergency. No lockdowns, no mandatory masks, no mandatory distancing.

Yes, I’m aware that nothing is a slam-dunk in the judicial system. Fingers crossed. But this is a chance, an opportunity, a ray of light, a practical and real possibility.

Further, attorney Renz’s case is a model and a template for other lawyers, in other states and countries, who want to file similar cases.

When a government declares an Emergency, it must explain and justify it on the facts, not on lies and deceptions. Otherwise…

The Constitution no longer exists.

The Law no longer exists.

In their place, there is a reversion to a time of arbitrary edicts, handed down from kings and their wise ones who must not be doubted or challenged.

On what rational basis has Governor Mike DeWine taken away the freedom of citizens? Where is his evidence? What is the quality of that evidence, beyond the mere claim that “experts are always right”?

In his law suit against Governor DeWine, attorney Renz takes up big questions:

What are the REAL COVID case and death numbers?

How much flim-flam has been deployed to cook those numbers?

What is the underhanded definition of a COVID case?

Why is the PCR test useless?

Can a strip of RNA stand in for a virus that isn’t defined?

Is this a pandemic or is it just “another flu season?”

These are just a few of the many questions attorney Renz raises in his lengthy Ohio court filing. He has shocking answers. They do not depend on the news or the assumed primacy of the Coronavirus Task Force or a sitting president or a presidential candidate or a political party or governors. The answers don’t depend on what Governor DeWine thinks or what he has been told.

You could compare this case to a proceeding in which the evidence of a law-enforcement lab is challenged purely on the merits of its findings. The name of the lab doesn’t matter. The government agency which houses the lab doesn’t matter. The so-called reputation of the lab doesn’t matter. What matters is a searchlight centering on fact and truth.

The serious nature of the Ohio proceeding is magnified, because at stake is the freedom of many, many citizens. Their liberty, as enshrined in basic Law, is on the line.

We’re at a crossroads. This case and what happens to it are of vital importance.

Attorney Renz is asking for a jury trial. Citizens would be empaneled to listen to a profound and detailed UNCOVERING of evidentiary fraud, on a truly massive scale. And then this jury would hear how the fraud is leveraging the lockdowns and the destruction of businesses and lives, and the removal of freedom.

This case puts its arms around the immediate future of the country, the Constitution, the basic concept of Law, the difference between a jury and a King, and whatever still remains of 1776.

This case dives into the difference between claims of science, and science, and who controls the distinction.

Winning this one would expose a scientific fraud so solid, so dense, the whole world would see an iron curtain of a century’s duration exploding in front of their eyes.

Victory requires one imperative: follow the Law.

CODA…BREAKING… More good news: federal judge declares Pennsylvania governor’s COVID restrictions unconstitutional.

Bricks are falling out of the walls of the American imprisonment—

CBS News, Pittsburgh: “U.S. District Judge William Stickman IV, an appointee of President Donald Trump, sided with the plaintiffs. Stickman wrote in his ruling that the [Pennsylvania] Wolf administration’s pandemic policies have been overreaching, arbitrary and violated citizens’ constitutional rights…”

FOX News: “The ruling found that [Pennsylvania Governor] Wolf’s restrictions that required people to stay at home, placed size limits on gatherings and ordered ‘non-life-sustaining’ businesses to shut down were unconstitutional.”

In this case, the judge made his ruling strictly on Constitutional grounds. His conclusion is worth reading:

“…even in an emergency, the authority of the government is not unfettered. The liberties protected by the Constitution are not fair-weather freedoms — in place when times are good but able to be cast aside in times of trouble. There is no question that this Country has faced, and will face, emergencies of every sort. But the solution to a national crisis can never be permitted to supersede the commitment to individual liberty that stands as the foundation of the American experiment. The Constitution cannot accept the concept of a ‘new normal’ where the basic liberties of the people can be subordinated to open-ended emergency mitigation measures. Rather, the Constitution sets certain lines that may not be crossed, even in an emergency. Action taken by Defendants [Governor Wolf] crossed those lines. It is the duty of the Court to declare those actions unconstitutional. Thus, consistent with the reasons set forth above, the Court will enter judgement in favor of Plaintiffs.”

United States District Court for the Western District of Pennsylvania, US District Judge William S Stickman IV, County of Butler et al v. [Governor] Thomas W Wolf et al.

NO emergency is so great that it supersedes individual liberty and freedom.

Even if the science underlying the official response to COVID were true (which it decidedly is NOT), it wouldn’t justify tearing away Constitutional and natural freedoms.

The resistance to tyranny is alive.

A million peaceful protestors in Berlin; 460,000 bikers riding into Sturgis, South Dakota, where Governor Kristi Noem has never locked down; numerous other protests the mainstream press refuses to cover; the new groundbreaking Ohio lawsuit filing I’ve been covering; untold millions of people who know what a sham and a crime the whole COVID operation really is…

Lights are coming on and the wind has changed direction."

Also posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1378266

Launch of SpectatorTV - Andrew Neil on The Week in 60 Minutes | The Spectator
Anrew Neil is a top reporter in UK

The test fully explained by a Top professor.

It is becoming clear that science got it wrong regarding test vs reality.
The number of cases going up, hospitalisation falling, death rate virtually nil.
The video explains fully why this is happening.
This program is important as this is main stream news reporting.
Chris

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4WdzMVekUBU

Mod questions from Bill:

Why is this thread called Scientific Materialism versus Truth? Why is it in the Alternative Science section?

Why are members posting Covid news here when there are already over 50 Covid threads? (Go count them.)

Judging by the intriguing promise of the title, this thread could showcase a really interesting discussion on the philosophy and history of science and the scientific method, and the meaning of "truth".

But it's not about any of that at all. This is yet another bulletin board about Covid, as if we needed any more. (At first it seemed to be about 5G, but then that changed.)

What should the thread title be amended to? What section should it be in? Or which thread(s) should it be merged with?

Please shift my last post to a more suitable thread Bill.
That many threads over there Im not sure where it fits
Best wishes
Chris

With respect, I don’t think this thread calls for more moderation because the main issue seems to be that it strays into non-consensual areas not in line with the forum’s, for want of a better phrase, ‘editorial stance’. The problem is that the scientists are on the mod team and moderating, rather than discussing substantive issues. Science is notably about lone voices disagreeing, and Rupert Sheldrake is the embodiment of that principle, being also an eminent scientist. Since his video was posted only yesterday and is bang on topic, I don’t think generally speaking that we have strayed too far (but then, I’m not a mod). I also think it is impossible in 2020 to avoid the covid19 issue altogether with regard to just about anything, but particularly with respect to scientific practices, which are at the forefront of much debating going on. So while I agree that a more theoretical discussion would be extremely worthwhile, I don’t think there is all that much that needs to be changed on this thread.

Regarding the most recent of my posts
The Week in 60 minutes.
The professor gives a very fair analysis of the situation and to my satisfaction explains spikes and flattening the curve,
He explains that he is for the tests for what they were designed to do and points out that these test can not prove the person is ill, nor infectious.
The diagnosis is at fault not the test.
People are making a fortune out of lying to the public--using false information.
Billionaires fortunes have gone up substantially since March -- I wonder why?
So loosely Science materialism has caused this extreme situation.
There is no regard for the truth which has been posted by quite a few on this thread.

Chris

Loosely thought ...

I think it’s because there are 3 main (strong and weak) forces operating in the Universe, One is the Law of Attraction, Three is the Law of Repulsion and Two is the Law of Mathematics.

These forces have multiple names and pathways, of course.

While purest in the abstract, the Law of mathematics, dharma and scientific materialism are steadfast and possible to verify with some effort

the Law of Attraction : Love, Life and its innate intelligence are faster. We detect before we even acknowledge the existence of alien to us phenomena,
we feel and reflect or deflect biologically faster than we process mentally.

We live faster than we read :)

Do any of these phenomena we are attracted to or in fight with represent truth ?

Does any abstract Law really represent truth ?

Do these forces I’m talking about represent truth ?


Indeed does Universe present us with options to engage or disengage with any particular phenomenon or seek freedom from it or seek affinity with it ?


Can truth be contained in someone’s hypothesis or narrative even if it contained all human libraries ?


In all languages ever spoken ..


Then why are people, fundamentally speaking still searching for new expressions everyday ?

Does it not prove the supremacy of life over “deus ex machina” ?



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Yup.
All I know for sure right now is that I am very unsure of most things at the moment.

This thread could be inserted in the cognitive dissonance thread without even derailing it as a good example of that very thing.

Every one of us is guilty of it. It is unavoidable. No matter how careful we are in maintaining an objective stance, our own bias will creep in and overwhelm us, making it seem to ourselves that we are the level-headed one. It is the nature we have been programmed with or it is human nature, or maybe even mammalian nature. I don't know. Maybe we are incapable of ever being purely objective because of the fundamental subjective nature of our lives.

But the discussion only sometimes gets around to scientific materialism vs. truth. Except as that relates to any particular subjective viewpoint, and using the title of the thread as a point in favor of it, regardless which side of the debate the viewpoint favors.

Scientists argue from a position of authority, meaning holding the establishment point of view, whatever that might be defined as, and it has been defined in every which way. And the truthers argue that materialism cannot be truth, refuting the authority of the establishment.

Note the difference, establishment means the accepted viewpoint. The accepted viewpoint cannot be argued because it is accepted. Until it is not. Then it becomes self-evident to everyone.

So what we are perhaps witnessing here, is the cognitive dissonance preceding a reordering of established dogma. Or not.

One side will give way because it must. But for right now there is impasse, where both sides might believe the other side is not being rational. Both sides have irrefutable proof, and are convinced it is without bias. Until the facts are in we cannot be sure...

I wonder how sure it is appropriate to be right now about anything?

As I've explained before here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1377114
...(perhaps you didn't see it, Bill) I used the term "scientific materialism" not knowing that it referred to a more philosophical aspect about science itself.
I meant it in the way I have seen it used more recently, such as in the Dr. Kaufman video which was included in post #1 of this thread.
5G has been included in the discussion because there is plenty of good evidence (Exomatrix has provided a wealth of it!) showing that 5G can exacerbate symptoms that are being attributed to Covid, so that is well within the parameters of the discussion as outlined in the OP.
That is, in referring to "fake science" which obfuscates the truth, twists the facts or simply lies, and is being used to further agendas whose real goal is simply profit--thus the term "materialism".
See: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/materialism
updated: Definition:" the philosophical theory that regards matter and its motions as constituting the universe, and all phenomena, including those of mind, as due to material agencies."
Also:
"preoccupation with or emphasis on material objects, comforts, and considerations, with a disinterest in or rejection of spiritual, intellectual, or cultural values."(--thus leaving out the higher faculties of intuition, imagination, conscience. )

So actually, the term as it is defined both ways dovetail quite nicely and fit very well into this discussion, imho.

(updated: Also, the focus should be on when lies are being told by omission--that is, when things like 5G or vaccines are claimed to be safe and the science proving it to be "settled" when there have been no legitimate studies at all that have actually proven that. Especially when the studies that have supposedly proven safety have been shown to be inaccurate, the facts skewed, or facts omitted or obfuscated.)

I put the OP under Alternative Science because it seems that that is how some of the real science is now being viewed by the mainstream, as opposed to science that is often being presented by the mainstream media as being the "accepted" and uncontested science (and is NOT!!)
Perhaps not the best choices on my part, but I'm not concerned about how the thread has evolved, which may be a bit confusing to some, but is one of the more interesting and important threads on Avalon, imho.

I don't think we are taking up too much space or being rude or violating any hard Avalon rules, are we?
We are certainly presenting credible evidence from sources who have proven their worth.

One reason, as a few of us have stated before, for this ongoing discussion is that there seems to be a tendency lately for you and/or Frank to use your clout as the Admin. to target posts that don't agree with your particular views on masking, Covid testing, and/or certain issues having to do with vaccines.
And I think that has been of particular concern to certain members who have been posting about those issues here and elsewhere on the forum.
And the troubling way that that ties in with the censoring of credible information in the mainstream media of anything having to do with masking, Covid testing, and the dangers of vaccines.
I think you can understand why this is a concern to us yet so far as I know, it has not really been addressed by you as yet.
I've even wondered if you are being pressured by someone from "the other side".
Because Avalon is supposed to be a forum where we can air such views, even if they don't agree with the Admin.
Please forgive my bluntness, but it seems that you may actually be more concerned with that than with the broad and rather rambling scope of this thread.

For anyone who is interested, there is more here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1378044
...that is relevant to this discussion.

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Mod questions from Bill:

Why is this thread called Scientific Materialism versus Truth? Why is it in the Alternative Science section?

Why are members posting Covid news here when there are already over 50 Covid threads? (Go count them.)

Judging by the intriguing promise of the title, this thread could showcase a really interesting discussion on the philosophy and history of science and the scientific method, and the meaning of "truth".

But it's not about any of that at all. This is yet another bulletin board about Covid, as if we needed any more. (At first it seemed to be about 5G, but then that changed.)

What should the thread title be amended to? What section should it be in? Or which thread(s) should it be merged with?

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It does seem that the agenda of the cabal -- test -- mask is being supported to a certain degree on this forum.
Perhaps unconsciously.

Bill you called the test a blunt instrument --well blunt instruments kill and it continues to be used very effectively in the UK.

Fact, the death rates UK are almost nil the, Government is testing more and more therefore the number of cases increases and the number of cases is used by the Boris to predict further lockdown and threatened closure of schools.
The public are of course blamed for a spike in positives -- the number of people hospitalised falls to almost zero.

The video I posted most recently is very clear and that is expert opinion.

A positive case does not indicate that the person has anything that is transferable or is in anyway ill.
Yet as said it is used to justify more draconian measures --killing people, yes lockdown does that, and ruining the econemy.
Bankrupting people --so who will pay for their mortgage --we are talking about homeless, not enough homes for rent.
Of course NWO and Reset will save the world!!!

The number of suicides is probably escalating I cant find a full rate
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/male-suic...e-in-20-years/
I think we need to fully support David Icke
Do not acquiesce, no masks, no testing.

Chris

I don't fully trust "science".
Scientific Materialism, well, materialism--->money system---> Power, ultimately. It is becoming more and more obvious to most of us in this 3-D creation.

Nor do I fully trust media, nor politics, nor education, nor economics, nor finance, nor religion, nor the medical system, nor new-age literature, nor textbooks, nor... well, anything in this 3-D reflection?
I really don't need more much more evidence of the inconsistencies. Guess I am more interested at this point in the agenda behind the blatant and apparent propaganda that is being insidiously installed into all our psyches.

I wonder if anyone who comes here to PA is not already fairly convinced of the manipulation going on. (like Chris said at some point, a lot of his postings are speaking to the still-blind believers in the propaganda being put out there, in most ALL disciplines.) Many of us have been involved in the wake-up call for years! The good news, as I see it, is that it is actually working! YAY. We are seeing the evidence right now, although it sure is tumultuous as we are having our anchors pulled up faster than ever.

BUT - I do also love to examine as many aspects of all of these disciplines in my feeble attempt to get an ever bigger overview. I think of it as "zooming in" and "zooming out". I have no problem zooming in to the minutia, as I know there are people of great intelligence and curiosity who are drawn to every field, and their discoveries can be valuable gems. The facets of human intelligence are so unique and far-flung, that I try to take care not to negate any exciting tid-bit that a mind might dredge up.

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Judging by the intriguing promise of the title, this thread could showcase a really interesting discussion on the philosophy and history of science and the scientific method, and the meaning of "truth".

But it's not about any of that at all. This is yet another bulletin board about Covid, as if we needed any more. (At first it seemed to be about 5G, but then that changed.)

What should the thread title be amended to? What section should it be in? Or which thread(s) should it be merged with?

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I think you are misreading the title -- because I made the same mistake.

The title says it all: Scientific Materialism versus Truth (aka Alternative Science). In this way the title suggested that Scientific Materialism is wrong -- so who cares about the philosophy and history of mainstream science? The wording directed the debate away from this questions and encouraged others to post comments about Alternative Science.

:P

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What should the thread title be amended to? What section should it be in? Or which thread(s) should it be merged with?

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A more appropriate title may be something like

"Alternative Science regarding covid-19"

or

"Just Another Thread about Alternative Science" :P

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I've found just 3 posts about the philosophy and history of science and the scientific method, especially about the dominant role of Scientific Materialism:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1377993
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1378132
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1378145

You may create a new thread like "Science is based on Materialism -- but why?" or something like this. But it's possible that such a thread will flooded with "alternative viewpoints" in the same way as Frank's thread about the Bradykinin Hypothesis was derailed.

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Reading through the quote from David Kay, it presents a kind of duality, between religion and scientific "rationalism" which holds to the material world. I'm not sure the landscape and the choices are not more complex.

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The landscape of philosophy and history of science is much more complex, for sure. But where to begin? And how many people on this forum are interested in a more detailed reflection?

For example, it makes sense to replace the duality between religion and scientific "rationalism" by three different fields:

• religion -- especially Christianity, because we are talking about the development of science since medieval times in the Western World
• science based on rational thinking and empirical "facts"
• metaphysics, a branch of philosophy which is based on rational thinking, but it has no support in empirical facts

Some major topics which belong to the field of metaphysics:

• questions about space and time
• the relation between the mental and the physical
• free will
• ethics
• aesthetics

Yes silvanelf, agreed.
My posts were inline with the opening video.
Chris

Our friend Carmody is a scientist, who for reasons of his own doesn't post much these days. However, I can bring him to this thread via a post (responding to something I wrote) that was originally public until my thread was removed to the members only section, which is why I am quoting it in extenso. It covers the subject of language in general and scientific language in particular.

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The bottom line is that there are no closed systems. This holds for language too. Basically, what I am saying is to warn against taking language as a closed system that somehow equates with, is equivalent to, the world as a closed system that it can represent on a one-on-one basis, and the self as a closed system that it can likewise express. Not so: language is an open system that is so far from exhausting the open systems that are the world and the self. It is process all the way, near total incompleteness.

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"It is estimated that the there are between 10^78 to 10^82 atoms in the known, observable universe. In layman's terms, that works out to between ten quadrillion vigintillion and one-hundred thousand quadrillion vigintillion atoms."

"The Second Edition of the 20-volume Oxford English Dictionary contains full entries for 171,476 words in current use, and 47,156 obsolete words. To this may be added around 9,500 derivative words included as subentries."

Since the 'base' or number of words in the english language is approximately 80,000 words, give or take a few, and the arrangement patterns have additional modifications to meaning....when one does the rough calculation, one finds that the potential number of words and meanings in a sentence, in the English language alone.... more than likely exceeds the number of atoms in the universe.

Does language contain potential in expression, or is it mere complexity - lacking in accuracy? Do more words offer a more perfected shaping in expression, and do fewer words equal a form of comfortable mirror-like ambiguity? Do writing rules break potential, or bring it into shape? Is it about the translation and the transfer?


Is technical language a marching and trained army in a phalanx of aimed and directed intent; is it a coordinated reduction into a box? This is a requirement for handling ideas and the transfer of information. But not always.

Is a novel an open expression of the universe's potential?

What lies in between?

A human?

Give a man a fish and he can feed his family. Once.

Teach a man to fish and he can feed a family forever thereafter. Or even....feed a world. Or help a world feed itself.

What lies in the confines of the internal interpretation and taking on of prose? Control (the box) ...or...infinity?

Oddly enough, this can take us to the meaning of 3d linear unidirectional time-space, and..Karl Popper. To paraphrase Popper, to being an overlay of his musing and intents on science...over onto this subject of prose...the more refined and defined a point or subject in expression in it's communication and associated literature, the more likely it is to be disprovable, or contain potentials in attacking it. The edifice in definition provides it's own mark in time, of a coming decay.

In some thinking we find a universal self, that is in a far more perfected communication with other and in self. It being the astral, the spiritual. Etc.

We gain insight into it, it's stories and considerations cross into our awareness and such data says these things about communication within those given realms. Does such a level of communication and sharing eventually cause reduction into a ..nothing?

It is possible to have life define itself as 'differential'. That life is information, and information is differential in base character and nature. The idea that intelligence is built of these things. That the universe is alive.

Does this mean that our given granulated existences, here, in this place... are necessary, for life itself (across multiverses)...to exist?

With such in mind, we return to the potential meanings..in and of -prose.

I am constantly off topic, almost unerringly so. But I do like to try to teach the man to fish.

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https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1161804

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metaphysics, a branch of philosophy which is based on rational thinking, but it has no support in empirical facts

Some major topics which belong to the field of metaphysics:

• questions about space and time
• the relation between the mental and the physical
• free will
• ethics
• aesthetics

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With the exception of maybe free will, the other items on the list are measurable with empirical facts, so they’d just be classed under ‘physics’ rather than metaphysics.

Space is measurable i.e. volume.
Time i.e. Versor algebra (music)
Relation between mental and physical i.e. neuroscience.
Ethics i.e. character analysis, a subset of neuroscience.
Aesthetics i.e. geometry and proportion (classical art).

You can discuss these things philosophically of course but they all have a basic set of physically measurable principles behind them. I’d find it curiously unscientific to suggest otherwise.

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Anyway, to add to my previous posts in this thread, James DeMeo has a couple more presentations available from the 2020 ‘Energy, Science and Technology‘ conference, which were released earlier today.

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• https://emediapress.com/shop/cosmic-ether-exists/

Cosmic Ether Exists: Correcting A Major Error In Modern Science (Part 1) covers a wide-range of very important scientific facts and should be required study for anyone majoring in any branch of the natural sciences.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9KlgHcDG-2o

In the last 20 years of dedicated research and experiments in the energy sciences, there is one reference that I have given out probably more than all others combined and that is a link to a website on Dr. James DeMeo’s Orgone Lab’s page with references to Dayton Miller. It’s that important!

It is often claimed that the famed Michelson-Morley experiment with an interferometer proved that the ether doesn’t exist, but nothing could be further from the truth and Dayton Miller’s are some of the most pronounced and important, especially for their time.

If you don’t know what an interferometer is, it is a device that splits a beam of light into two paths. As the entire assembly is rotated, the idea is that if the beams come to meet at the destination at the same time, there is no ether. If there is a time difference when the two beams meet, then this shows that there is something speeding up or slowing down one of the light paths and this suggests that there is an ether in or of space.

Not only have positive results been revealed a century ago, dozens of other scientists all the way into recent times have verified it as well, which is the subject of Dr. DeMeo’s new, upcoming book The Dynamic Ether of Cosmic Space.
https://i1.wp.com/emediapress.com/ja...ng?w=980&ssl=1
Why is this important and why should you care about whether or not the ether exists? For one thing, the very foundation of conventional physics regarding space and time completely fall apart, which means we need another perspective. But it also means that there is possibly a potential energy source that can be tapped right out of thin air and this could possibly lead the way to clean, sustainable and unlimited energy production.

For years, the establishment has clung to and pushed the Einsteinian world-view, which is a variation of relativity without the ether. However, with deeper analysis, the effects of relativity are only made possible because of the very ether that Einstein denied. Einstein’s paradigm was put on shaky ground primarily by the work of Dayton Miller and he even admitted it multiple times.

“I believe that I have really found the relationship between gravitation and electricity, assuming that the Miller experiments are based on a fundamental error. Otherwise, the whole relativity theory collapses like a house of cards.“
— Albert Einstein, in a letter to Robert Millikan, June 1921 (in Clark 1971, p.328)

As you can guess, the importance of Dr. DeMeo’s presentation cannot be stressed enough because not only was Miller’s experiment NOT based on a fundamental error, indisputably, many scientists since him have also arrived experimentally at the same conclusions and these verifications continue to this day. In other words, Einstein’s theory of relativity collapsed like a house of cards many years ago and the evidence is both insurmountable and irrefutable. You will see other admissions by Einstein in this presentation that further reinforces his lack of confidence in his ether-less model of time and space – and those admissions are literally in his own words.

Besides the interferometer and other experiments that show the existence of the ether, you will learn how the Sun, Earth and the rest of our Solar System moves through the Universe and it is quite different than how this is commonly portrayed. This is very important to understand because it influences how how the Earth interacts with the ether that it is moving through. It is not a symmetrical spiral moving through space as some popular online videos and memes would have you believe, there is an eccentricity to it not only in its motion but in its velocity!

If you only get the above concepts out of this presentation, it is still worth its weight in gold. However, there are a lot more scientifically, verified facts contained in the 90 minute video and by the time you’re done watching it the first time, you’ll never see Einstein’s claimed “curved space” model in the same light again. In fact, you’ll never look at anything in the Universe the same way again.

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I wouldn't object to that, though again, my intention was to focus as much on "fake science" used to create profit and the unethical censorship that results, as well as science directly related to Covid and the whole conspiracy that the Plandemic is part of.
If the creators of the more pure, theosophical discussion of science would like to have their posts moved to another thread, I wouldn't object to that either.

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A more appropriate title may be something like

"Alternative Science regarding covid-19"

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I wouldn't object to that, though again, my intention was to focus as much on "fake science" used to create profit and the unethical censorship that results, as well as science directly related to Covid and the whole conspiracy that the Plandemic is part of.
If the creators of the more pure, theosophical discussion of science would like to have their posts moved to another thread, I wouldn't object to that either.

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A more appropriate title may be something like

"Alternative Science regarding covid-19"

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My proposal was just an idea. The reference to covid-19 may be too specific, because others may want to debate the "fake science" used to create profit in other contexts as well. For example:

• GMO (Genetically modified organisms)
• vaccines
• the "Cancer Industry"
• ...

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Agreed, as I consider vaccines to be part of the Covid issue, because it's quite obvious that part of the lockstep of the lockdown is to vaccinate as many people as possible with an untested, unsafe vaccine which will further destroy public health and also further the NWO depopulation agenda.
But there's more to it than Covid--also about the growing censorship including censorship on Avalon and how science is subverted for the sake of profits and to cover up actual crimes.

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A more appropriate title may be something like

"Alternative Science regarding covid-19"

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Fear degrades the immune system and creates "fight or flight" this bypasses the front cortex so rational thought is well nigh impossible.
The immune system has protected the human race since time begins it is an expert at tackling new disease -- all diseases.
The tests pick up on the debris left after the immune system has successfully dealt with the virus.
This gives a positive result to fragments of the disease which are not capable of doing anything.
The test was never designed for diagnosis the inventor was clear on this.

The cabal knows all this and push fear, tests and time being get the flu vaccine till the covid vaccine is ready.

Even if there is nothing but financial gain in the vaccine manufacturers agenda, it is a very dangerous time for the future of the human race.
Chris

And heaven help the poor children! Such traumas they are facing now.

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it is a very dangerous time for the future of the human race.
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EcoHealth Alliance Gets Big Bucks for Risky Virus Research
Analysis by Alexis Baden-Mayer
September 17, 2020
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...&rid=966607074

(Good example of bad science )

"STORY AT-A-GLANCE
Gain-of-function research to alter coronaviruses for the infection of humans goes back to 1999 or earlier, years before the first novel coronavirus outbreak
Peter Daszak, President of EcoHealth Alliance, is a top scientific collaborator, grant writer and spokesperson for virus hunters and gain-of-function/dual-use researchers, in labs both military and civilian
On behalf of the U.S. government, often the military, Daszak scours the globe for animal pathogens and brings them back to the lab to be catalogued, investigated and manipulated
To learn that the closest known relative to SARS-CoV-2 has been in the care of the gain-of-function researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) for seven years does nothing to allay suspicions that the virus infected humans only after being tinkered with in a lab
The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases announced a five-year, $82-million investment in a new global network of Centers for Research in Emerging Infectious Diseases, including gain-of-function experiments to “determine what genetic or other changes make [animal] pathogens capable of infecting humans”
Peter Daszak, President of EcoHealth Alliance, is a top scientific collaborator, grant writer and spokesperson for virus hunters and gain-of-function/dual-use researchers, in labs both military and civilian.

Daszak works with dozens of high-containment laboratories around the world that collect pathogens and use genetic engineering and synthetic biology to make them more infectious, contagious, lethal or drug-resistant. These include labs controlled by the U.S. Department of Defense, in countries in the former Soviet Union, the Middle East, South East Asia and Africa.

Many of these labs are staffed by former biological weapons scientists. (See Arms Watch's reports.1) Before the Biological Weapons Convention was ratified, this research was called what it is: biological weapons research. Now, it's euphemistically called gain-of-function or dual-use research.

Gain-of-function research to alter coronaviruses for the infection of humans2 goes back to 1999 or earlier,3 years before the first novel coronavirus outbreak. On behalf of the U.S. government, often the military, Daszak scours the globe for animal pathogens and brings them back to the lab to be catalogued, investigated and manipulated.

Daszak and others justify their research this way: If/When an outbreak of a new virus occurs, they can compare it to the ones in their labs, and maybe glean how the novel virus emerged. A recent Wired magazine article4 quoting Daszak described how a virus collected in 2012 was found to be a 96% match to SARS-CoV-2 in 2020:

"The search for the source of SARS – which killed more than 770 people two decades ago – has given us a headstart for the current hunt.

Wearing hazmat suits and equipped with mist nets, a team from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, together with the ecologist and president of EcoHealth Alliance Peter Daszak, ventured into limestone caves to collect faeces and blood samples from thousands of roosting bats before testing them for novel coronaviruses in the lab.

'At the time, we were looking for SARS-related viruses, and this one was 20 percent different,' says Daszak. 'We thought it's interesting, but not high-risk. So we didn't do anything about it and put it in the freezer.'

The group has found around 500 bat-borne viruses in China over the last 16 years, but only flagged those that most resembled SARS to the authorities – a lack of funding meant they couldn't further investigate the virus strain now known to be 96 percent genetically similar to the virus that causes Covid-19."

Interesting though that story is, it fails to explain how SARS-CoV-2 evolved. Some scientists say it would take 50 years5 for RaTG13 to turn into SARS-CoV-2. Others propose theories6 on how the virus might have evolved so quickly, yet still suspect that it escaped from the Wuhan lab.

Certainly, to learn that the closest known relative to SARS-CoV-2 has been in the care of the gain-of-function researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) for seven years does nothing to allay suspicions that the virus infected humans only after being tinkered with in a lab.7

Still, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases is going all-in on virus hunting. The institute just announced a five-year, $82-million8 investment in a new global network of Centers for Research in Emerging Infectious Diseases, including gain-of-function experiments to "determine what genetic or other changes make [animal] pathogens capable of infecting humans."

Daszak's EcoHealth Alliance will receive $7.5 million9 from this grant. This is on top of $100.9 million10 that EcoHealth Alliance has received in government grants and contracts since 2003. (What was that Daszak said about how "a lack of funding meant they couldn't further investigate the virus strain now known to be 96-percent genetically similar to the virus that causes Covid-19"11)?

Critics12 of virus hunting say scientists like Daszak could make a greater contribution to human health by going after the viruses that commonly infect humans, not the ones that never have. According to a 2018 Smithsonian Magazine report:13

"Not everyone thinks that discovering viruses and their hotspots is the best way to prevent pandemics. Dr. Robert B. Tesh, a virologist at the University of Texas Medical Branch, says we don't understand enough about zoonotic viruses to create predictive models. 'A lot of the stuff they produce is hype. … It's more PR than science.'"

Daszak's research might be more hype14 and public relations than science, but the Department of Homeland Security's National Biosurveillance Integration Center (NBIC) has chosen to rely on it. NBIC gave Daszak's EcoHealth Alliance a $2.2-million15 contract (2016-2019) to create a "Ground Truth Network"16 of "subject matter experts" who could provide "contextual information pertaining to biological events."

The context17 Daszak invariably provides is a compelling one. Destruction of forests and other encroachments on wildlife habitats, especially the hunting of wild animals and the sale of live animals in wet markets, is forcing humans and animals into uncomfortable proximity. This is bad for vulnerable and endangered species, as well as for humans who are at increasing risk for contracting novel zoonotic diseases.

Who isn't shocked and appalled to learn that people eat bats, or that marvelously strange and adorable animals you've never heard of ― pangolins, civet cats ― have had their habitats destroyed and are now being sold for meat at live animal markets? Daszak's framing of the issue ― what has come to be known as the One Health approach ― has been heartily embraced by the U.S. military.

But what if the stories being spun by Daszak and his fellow government-supported subject matter experts aren't supported by the evidence? Let's look at EcoHealth Alliance's story about Ebola and bushmeat.

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False Narrative, Tragic Outcomes
From 2011 to 2014, Ecohealth Alliance had a $164,480 purchase order contract from the Centers for Disease Control in Pittsburgh for "Bushmeat." No more information than that is available on that contract (HHSD2002011M41641P18), but the money likely funded a paper Daszak and his colleagues published in 2012.

The 2012 paper,19 "Zoonotic Viruses Associated with Illegally Imported Wildlife Products," was used in August 2014, at the height of the West African Ebola pandemic, as the basis for a Newsweek article titled, "Smuggled Bushmeat Is Ebola's Back Door to America."20

The article, which quoted an EcoHealth Alliance spokesperson, spread a false (not to mention racist and xenophobic) narrative, one that subsequently would be thoroughly debunked,21 that bushmeat smuggled to the U.S. from Africa could transmit Ebola to Americans.

In January 2015, a meeting of the UK Bushmeat Working Group convened. The group countered Daszak's misinformation with the facts, in an article titled, "Ebola and Bushmeat: Myth and Reality."22 The article stated:

"As the Ebola virus can remain viable in untreated carcasses for up to 3-4 days, there is a risk of transporting it to bushmeat markets (although there is no evidence of this to date).

However, the risk of transmitting Ebola in bushmeat overseas to Europe or the USA is extremely low, given the total travel time and the fact that these carcasses are usually smoked (which probably inactivates the virus). The risk of spread to new areas lies with the movement of infected people, not infected meat."

Tragically, the misinformation about bushmeat as a primary cause of Ebola transmission had already been communicated to West Africans in the midst of the crisis, through international health organizations, including Daszak's funder,23 the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Daszak's misinformation campaign overshadowed the truth — that the only way Ebola was actually being transmitted during the pandemic was via contact with the bodily fluids of people sick with Ebola, or with their corpses.

Perpetuating Mythical Theories
The SARS pandemic is another instance where Daszak's theories didn't pan out. It is commonly accepted that the SARS pandemic began in 2002,24 when humans caught a bat virus from civet cats at a wet market in Guangdong, China. But Daszak and his collaborators admit they have no evidence to explain how the virus leapt from bats to civets to humans.

SARS-CoV was found in civets at the Guangdong wet market, but civets aren't the natural reservoir of this virus. Bats are. Only the civets at the market — and no farm-raised or wild civets — carried the virus. None of the animal traders handling the civets at the market had SARS.

When Daszak and his collaborators at the WIV25 searched the cave in Yunnan for strains of coronavirus similar to human versions, no single bat actually had SARS. Genetic pieces of the various strains would have to be recombined to make up the human version. Adding to the confusion, Yunnan is about 1,000 kilometers from Guangdong.

So, how did viruses from bats in Yunnan combine to become deadly to humans, and then travel to civets and people in Guangdong, without causing any illnesses along the way during this 1,000 kilometer trip? No one knows. Just like no one knows how SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, leapt from bats to pangolins to humans.

(The most recent study, "Broad host range of SARS-CoV-2 predicted by comparative and structural analysis of ACE2 in vertebrates"26 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences,27 showed that the SARS-CoV-2, which infects human cells through binding of the viral Spike protein to ACE2, has a "very high" binding affinity to ACE2 in "Old World" monkeys apes, and humans.

But in bats, the binding affinity is "low" and in pangolins it is "very low." The authors also noted that "neither experimental infection nor in vitro infection with SARS-CoV-2 has been reported for pangolins.")

Daszak continues to tell his bat-origin story,28 but the science doesn't back it up. That ― along with the fact that dozens of labs conduct "gain-of-function"29 research on bat coronaviruses and there are troubling safety issues30 at these labs ― is why the National Institutes of Health (NIH) is investigating the possibility that SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab.

Inquiring Minds at the NIH Want to Know
On July 8, the NIH sent a letter31 to Daszak asking EcoHealth Alliance to arrange for an inspection of the WIV by an outside team that would examine the facility's lab and records "with specific attention to addressing the question of whether WIV staff had SARS-CoV-2 in their possession prior to December 2019."

The WIV and the Wuhan University School of Public Health are listed as subcontractors for EcoHealth Alliance under a $3.7-million NIH grant32 titled, "Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence."

The two institutions also worked as collaborators under another $2.6-million grant,33 "Risk of Viral Emergence from Bats," and under EcoHealth Alliance's largest single source of funding, a $44.2 million sub-grant34 from the University of California at Davis for the PREDICT project (2015-2020).

It's the $44.2-million PREDICT grant that EcoHealth Alliance used to fund35 the gain-of-function experiment by WIV scientist Zhengli Shi and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill's Ralph Baric.36

Shi and Baric used genetic engineering and synthetic biology to create a "new bat SARS-like virus ... that can jump directly from its bat hosts to humans." Daszak described the work being done by Shi and Baric in a 2019 interview:37

"You can manipulate them [coronaviruses] in the lab pretty easily. Spike protein drives a lot of what happens with the coronavirus, zoonotic risk. So, you can get the sequence, you can build the protein, and we work with Ralph Baric at UNC to do this. Insert it into a backbone of another virus, and do some work in the lab."

The work, "A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence,"38 published in Nature in 2015 during the NIH's moratorium39 on gain-of-function research, was grandfathered in because it was initiated before the moratorium (officially called the U.S. Government Deliberative Process Research Funding Pause on Selected Gain-of-Function Research Involving Influenza, MERS and SARS Viruses), and because the request by Shi and Baric to continue their research during the moratorium was approved by the NIH.

As a condition of publication, Nature, like most scientific journals, requires40 authors to submit new DNA and RNA sequences to GenBank, the U.S. National Center for Biotechnology Information Database. Yet the new SARS-like virus Shi and Baric created wasn't deposited41 in GenBank until May 2020.

Why Stop With Wuhan?
NIH is right to require that the WIV's lab and records be opened to outside inspectors. But why is the government focusing on just one of EcoHealth Alliance's projects, when the organization has received $100.9 million42 in grants, primarily from the Department of Defense, to sample, store and study bat coronaviruses at labs around the world?

Coronaviruses, both those that have been collected from animals and those that have been created through genetic engineering and synthetic biology, at all of these labs should be compared with SARS-CoV-2.

Daszak's collaborators working under contracts with the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) aren't allowed to conduct gain-of-function research unless specifically approved to do so by the Potential Pandemic Pathogen Care and Oversight (P3CO) committee. This committee was set up as a condition for lifting43 the 2014-2017 moratorium on gain-of-function research.

The P3CO committee operates in secret. Not even a membership list has been released. The only information provided to the public is that Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response Robert Kadlec44 appointed HHS Senior Science Advisor Christian Hassell45 as its chair.

It's time to open the records of the PC3O committee's deliberations and decisions to examine all gain-of-function research on coronaviruses. And every lab manipulating these viruses should have their coronaviruses compared to SARS-CoV-2.

The Pentagon's Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) for its Cooperative Biological Engagement Program (now called the Biological Threat Reduction Program) isn't supposed to fund gain-of-function (what they call "dual-use"46) research at all.

It's time to determine whether this prohibition on "dual-use" funding has been adhered to, especially in light of the investments the Pentagon is making across the globe in the construction of new laboratories for the "consolidation and securing of pathogens." DTRA's mission was to dismantle the biological weapons programs of hostile or destabilized countries.

Instead it is being used to develop new biological weapons programs in dozens of countries around the world.

Even if these programs are purely defensive, they proliferate, around the globe, pathogens with pandemic potential, even though it's been difficult to keep these dangerous germs under control here in the U.S. (See "The Global Proliferation of High-Containment Biological Laboratories: Understanding the Phenomenon and Its Implications,"47 and the Government Accountability Office's reports, "Biological Select Agents and Toxins: Actions Needed to Improve Management of DOD's Biosafety and Biosecurity Program,"48 and "High-containment Laboratories: Comprehensive and Up-to-Date Policies and Stronger Oversight Mechanisms Needed to Improve Safety"49).

EcoHealth's Tentacles Reach Far and Wide
EcoHealth Alliance is very much involved in the Pentagon's proliferation of high-containment biological laboratories. It is conducting DTRA-funded work in the following countries, which are all participants in the Pentagon's Biological Threat Reduction Program.50

•Tanzania — In Tanzania, a country that is considered only "partly free,"51 which has a history of foreign medical experimentation52 and which didn't ratify the Biological Weapons Convention53 until 2019, EcoHealth Alliance has a $5-million Pentagon contract,54 "Crimean-Congo Hemorrhagic Fever: Reducing an Emerging Health Threat in Tanzania."

Crimean-Congo Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF)55 is a tick-borne disease, originally only infecting animals, that was discovered by Ottis and Calista Causey while working for the Rockefeller Foundation in Nigeria. There was only ever one case56 of CCHF in Tanzania, and that was in 1986.

Gain-of-function research57 on CCHF is being conducted at the U.S. Department of Agriculture's National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility (NBAF) to determine the "mechanisms of CCHF transmission including development of CCHF tick and animal infection methods and CCHF tick-animal transmission models." (The National Bio and Agro Defense Facility will take over the mission of the Plum Island Animal Disease Center and become the lead facility for Foreign Animal Disease research.)

The National Bio and Agro Defense Facility Biosafety Level 4 (BSL4) Zoonotic and Emerging Infectious Disease team's CCHF Virus Surveillance Project58 is investigating "the interface between tick vectors, livestock and pastoralist and resource-poor farming communities in Tanzania" as well as the disease's "molecular pathogenesis."

Tanzania is the origin of chikungunya,59 a mosquito-borne virus that the U.S. has long cultivated60 as a potential biological weapon. according to a patent61 held by the University of Texas for a "chimeric" chikungunya virus created through genetic engineering and synthetic biology:

"The 39 documented laboratory infections reported by HHS in 1981 strongly suggest that Chikungunya virus is infectious via aerosol route. Chikungunya virus was being weaponized by the U.S. Army army when the offensive program was terminated."

Tanzania is one62 of the countries where bat coronaviruses were collected for the PREDICT63 project. Tanzania has one Biosafety Level 3 (BSL3) laboratory, the privately owned Ifakara Health Institute,64 which is partnering with PREDICT65 to launch "concurrent surveillance of wildlife and people in at-risk areas for viral spillover and spread."

•South Africa — In South Africa, which had a notorious apartheid-era biological weapons program,66 EcoHealth Alliance has a $5-million Pentagon contract67 (2019-2024), "Reducing the Threat of Rift Valley Fever Through Ecology, Epidemiology and Socio-economics." This is on top of a $4.9-million grant68 (2014-2019), "Understanding Rift Valley Fever in the Republic of South Africa."

The last human outbreak69 of Rift Valley Fever in South Africa occurred in 2010, when the government reported 237 confirmed cases, including 26 deaths from nine provinces. But there were also a few cases70 in 2018 among farmworkers who slaughtered infected animals during an outbreak in livestock. The fever can spread from animals to humans if they come into contact with the blood and other body fluids of an infected animal.

The U.S. military has conducted offensive biological weapons research71 on Rift Valley Fever. South Africa's biological weapons program72 included the weaponization of Rift Valley Fever virus obtained from the U.S. government.

Known as Project Coast, South Africa's biological weapons program murdered anti-apartheid activists with narcotics and poisons, and attempted a genocide of the black majority by spreading AIDS73 and by developing pathogens and vaccines74 that would selectively attack black people with illness, death and infertility.

Dr. Wouter Basson,75 the project's top scientist, told Pretoria High Court in South Africa that the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency threatened him with death, presumably to prevent him from revealing the deep connections between Project Coast and the U.S., which had forced President F. W. de Klerk to shut down the project and destroy its records.

Basson named the U.S. Centers for Disease Control as his source of eight shipments76 of Ebola, Marburg and Rift Valley viruses, but claimed that he had obtained the viruses by posing as a medical researcher and hiding his affiliation with the South African Defense Forces.

Surveys of bats in South Africa found no evidence77 of bats being natural carriers of Rift Valley Fever virus, but experiments have shown that bats can be infected78 with it in a laboratory setting.

A bat coronavirus collected79 in South Africa in 2011 was thought to be the closest known relative of the MERS-CoV virus that emerged in Saudi Arabia in 2012, until a 100-percent match for MERS-CoV was detected by Daszak and his colleagues in viral RNA fragments from an Egyptian tomb bat80 found near the home of one of the first MERS victims in Saudi Arabia.

•Liberia — In Liberia, which didn't ratify the Biological Weapons Convention until 2016,81 EcoHealth Alliance has a $4.91-million82 Pentagon contract,83 "Reducing the Threat from High-risk Pathogens Causing Febrile Illness in Liberia." Febrile illnesses include Ebola, which has been the subject of some of the most controversial dual-use research.84

While the U.S. has a sordid history of biological weapons experimentation on its own people — with conscientious objectors,85 military "volunteers,"86 and the general public87 as frequent subjects — there were some biological weapons tests88 the Department of Defense considered too unethical to perform within the continental U.S. Those tests were conducted in other countries, including Liberia.89

Likewise, mirroring medical experimentation90 on African Americans, there is a history of colonial medical experimentation in Liberia going back to 1926 when the Firestone91 tire company financed surveys of local diseases they feared could curtail the profitability of their rubber plantations.

More recently, a failed Pentagon-funded Ebola drug trial92 caused many Liberians to suspect that the subsequent Ebola outbreak was the fault of Tekmira, the pharmaceutical company that created TKM-100802. Doubt surrounded the official story, promoted93 by Daszak, that the West African Ebola outbreak happened because bats flew in with the Ebola Zaire virus from 2,500 miles away.

In January 2014, the Phase I trial94 for TKM-100802 was launched, but put on clinical hold by the U.S. Food & Drug Administration due to high cytokine release in participants. In a dose-escalation, healthy volunteer study, one (of two) participants dosed at the highest level of 0·5 mg/kg experienced cytokine release syndrome.95

Cytokine release syndrome96 is a pro-inflammatory reaction that occurs when activated lymphocytes and/or myeloid cells release soluble immune mediators following administration of certain therapeutic agents, especially monoclonal antibodies. Onset can be rapid (within hours of administration) and can be life-threatening.

Ultimately, TKM-100802 proved useless97 for Ebola patients, but the Pentagon's $140-million98 investment, and the boost99 Tekmira's stock experienced on speculation that Ebola would soon spawn the next $1-billion drug,100 made many investors rich.

Suspicions were raised because the TKM-100802 Phase I trial on healthy volunteers began in January 2014, before101 the first cases of the Ebola outbreak in March 2014.

Later, the World Health Organization's Pierre Formenty traced the first case102 back to late December 2013, in Meliandou, Guinea. There, 50 meters from the home of patient zero, another researcher, Fabian Leendertz,103 found DNA fragments that matched the Angolan free-tailed bat, a species known to survive experimental infections with Ebola.

Then, Daszak's EcoHealth team found viral RNA fragments104 of Ebola Zaire in a greater long-fingered bat, captured in 2016 in Liberia's Sanniquellie-Mahn District, which borders Guinea. There was a 1982 article105 in Annals of Virology in which a trio of Germans reported finding Ebola antibodies in 26 of 433 Liberians (6%). Bats aren't the only place to look for Ebola.

There's a BSL-4 lab that was handling Zaire Ebola before the pandemic in Kenema, Sierra Leone. This is where international law attorney Francis Boyle,106 a drafter of the U.S. Biological Weapons and Anti-Terrorism Act passed into law in 1981, believes the pandemic originated.

There's also Liberia's Monkey Island. As the Washington Post reported,107 that's where 66 chimpanzees have been since 2004, when they were abandoned by the American scientists at the Liberian labs of the New York Blood Center. From 1974 to 2004, the New York Blood Center captured wild chimps, engaged them in medical experimentation and then released them back into the jungle in a project known as Vilab II108 (Virology Lab II), which maintained a colony of 200 chimps.

Vilab II was built from the remnants of the Liberian Institute of Tropical Medicine. Built by Firestone in 1946, the Liberian Institute of Tropical Medicine had once employed 60 scientists, but by 1974, medical doctor Earl Reber109 was there alone with eight chimps. The roots of the Liberian Institute of Tropical Medicine go back to the research begun in 1926 by Harvard Department of Tropical Medicine chief Richard Pearson Strong.

Virus hunters like Daszak should have a keen interest in a population of chimpanzees that, for nearly 100 years, has been caught, injected with viruses and then released back into the wild, especially considering the work of the researchers who handled the chimps.

The New York Blood Center is at the center of a theory110 on the origin of HIV/AIDS, that it came from a contaminated Hepatitis B vaccine the center distributed to gay men from 1978-1981. The New York Blood Center also tested111 its vaccine on Liberians.

Richard Pearson Strong112 is infamous for killing 13 men when he infected a group of 24 inmates of Manila's Bilibid Prison with plague through a contaminated cholera vaccine. That was prior to his work113 in Liberia, which is only now being explored, and also involved experiments with humans as well as chimpanzees.

•Georgia — EcoHealth Alliance has a $6.5-million Pentagon grant114 for "Understanding the Risk of Bat-borne Zoonotic Disease Emergence In Western Asia" (2017-2022).

Arms Watch115 reports that this grant involves genetic studies on coronaviruses in 5,000 bats collected in Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkey and Jordan. The studies were conducted at the Lugar Center, a $161-million Pentagon-funded biolaboratory in Georgia's capital, Tbilisi. Russia claims116 the Georgia lab is the site of a U.S. biological weapons program.

According to USASpending.gov,117 EcoHealth Alliance has received $2.88 million in grants for work in Georgia. The Lugar Center is one of the labs that hosts EcoHealth Alliance's Western Asia Bat Research Network.118

•Malaysia — In Malaysia, which is only now in the process of creating a legislative framework119 for enforcing the Biological Weapons Convention, EcoHealth Alliance had a $1.6-million Pentagon grant120 (2017-2019) for "Serological Biosurveillance for Spillover of Henipaviruses and Filoviruses at Agricultural and Hunting Human Animal Interfaces in Peninsular Malaysia."

There are no known cases of filovirus infections in humans in Malaysia. But Malaysia is the origin of the Nipah virus,121 first recognized in 1999, during an outbreak among farmers and farmworkers in factory farms and slaughterhouses producing pork.

The virus spread to Singapore. In all, there were 265 cases of acute encephalitis with 105 deaths, and the billion-dollar pig-farming industry nearly collapsed. No new outbreaks have been reported in Malaysia since 1999.

Nipah virus, a zoonotic pathogen for which no treatments exist, is the inspiration for the film "Contagion."122 The virus can only be experimented on in BSL-4 laboratories. The National Bio and Agro-Defence Facility in Kansas will be the first biocontainment facility123 in the U.S. where research on Nipah and Ebola (a filovirus) can be conducted on livestock.

In 2019, Nipah Malaysia was among the deadly virus strains shipped124 from Canada's National Microbiology Lab to the WIV. Henipaviruses,125 in the paramyxovirus family, were the first emerging diseases linked to bats.

In June 2012, in the same Chinese cave126 (actually an old copper mine where workers doing cleanup had become sick and died) in which Daszak's WIV colleagues found SARS-CoV-2's most closely related coronavirus, another frequent collaborator of Daszak's, Zhiqiang Wu of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, found a new henipavirus-like pathogen in a rat, naming it the "Mojiang paramyxovirus,"127 after the county in Yunnan province where it was found.

Malaysia was the planned site of a BSL-4 laboratory run by the pharmaceutical company Emergent Biosolutions128 for the production of a halal version of the BioThrax vaccine. But that project failed.129

In addition to the Pentagon funding, Dazsak obtained $1.7 million in grants130 (2002-2005) from NIH's Fogarty International Center for "Anthropogenic Change & Emerging Zoonotic Paramyxoviruses." In 2012-2014, Daszak had a $569,700 grant from the National Fish and Wildlife Service for "Development of a Great Ape Health Unit in Sabah, Malaysia."

Daszak has a new National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases grant,131 "Understanding Risk of Zoonotic Virus Emergence in EID Hotspots of Southeast Asia," for $1.5 million (2020). The grant is for an "Emerging Infectious Diseases - South East Asia Research Collaboration Hub (EID-SEARCH)" that "brings leaders in emerging disease research from the U.S., Thailand, Singapore and the three major Malaysian administrative regions together to build an early warning system to safeguard against pandemic disease threats. This team will identify novel viruses from Southeast Asian wildlife [and] characterize their capacity to infect and cause illness in people …"

Other Pentagon Contracts

EcoHealth Alliance had a $1-million Pentagon contract132 (2017-2019) for an Inbound Bio-event Information System (IBIS), "a web-based application and early warning system for global infectious disease bio-events that threaten the U.S. via international transportation networks."

EcoHealth Alliance also had another $4.5-million Pentagon contract (HDTRA115C0041133) for 2015-2017. No other information is available on this contract other than that it is for "Applied Research/Exploratory Development" in the "Physical, Engineering, and Life Sciences (except Biotechnology)."

•Department of Homeland Security Contracts — EcoHealth Alliance has a $566,300 contract (2019-2021) with the Department of Homeland Security for the Rapid Evaluation of Pathogens to Prevent Epidemics in Livestock (REPEL) project134 "to apply biological-based, pathogen agnostic medical countermeasure vaccine and diagnostic platforms to develop foreign animal and emerging zoonotic livestock disease vaccines."

•Department of Health and Human Services Funding — Daszak obtained a $300,000-grant135 in 2012 from NIH's Fogarty International Center for research on "Comparative Spillover Dynamics of Avian Influenza In Endemic Countries." While most of the research listed in the "results" section of the grant are flu-related, it also includes the WIV's paper,136 "Isolation and Characterization of a Bat SARS-like Coronavirus that Uses the ACE2 Receptor."137

Daszak was given $3.7 million in grants138 (2002-2012) from NIH's Fogarty International Center for "The Ecology, Emergence And Pandemic Potential of Nipah Virus in Bangladesh."

The grants Daszak used to support the work of the WIV were a $3.7-million grant139 (2014-2020) "Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence," and a $2.6-million grant140 (2008-2012) "Risk of Viral Emergence From Bats," each from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

•U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) Funding

In Thailand, EcoHealth Alliance has a $647,200-grant141 for "One Health Workforce - Next Generation" (2019-2020).

Alexis Baden-Mayer is political director for the Organic Consumers Association (OCA). www.organicconsumers.org To keep up with OCA's news and alerts, sign up here: https://advocacy.organicconsumers.or...03/subscribe/1
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I had the greatest respect for Professors -- now I suspect that all they profess is not true.
Chris

Very interesting astrological report from Ang Stoic this week which pertains to some issues that have been central to this discussion.
I've posted the whole report here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...61#post1378561

But have quoted a bit from it as follows:

"We are feeling enormous pressure to remove obstacles and distractions from our lives, focus our attention on more efficient methods and means by which to improve our personal path. However, we are also challenged by the evolutionary needs and soul desires of the collective as a square for this lunation to the Lunar Nodes reveals a severe misalignment between our individual ego and common humanity's quest for truth. Is truth something that is objectively definable or, in the post-modernist sense, subject to each individual's perceived interpretation? This question rattles us as a sentient species. The imbalance created here at this point in history merely tests how much our individual aims, as indicated by the Virgo Supermoon, are currently out-of-sync with what the universe is wanting from us. This creates an enormous disconnection and divisiveness between us."

( And here is a little addendum to this past week's astro report from Ang, which is retrospect, is spot-on for me, at least...):

https://angstoic.com/2020/09/sun-opposition-neptune/
https://angstoic.com/wp-content/uplo...06482109_n.jpg

"Be mindful that the world is subtly shifting into turbocharged hypercriticism.

While tangible in the short run, heightened discrimination, belligerent pedantry, threatening-by-numbers, medical bullying, death-alarmism and all-round do-gooder freakouts contribute to an atmosphere of micro-tyranny and intimidation.

Ultimately, this shuts down creativity, destroys momentum, ceases productivity and, although not visible, causes long term psychological damage. If you’re the sensitive, artistic or ‘spiritual’ kind or just really insecure, be discerning where you plonk yourself."

Title of thread
I posted this: "I noticed that the title to a thread that I started has been changed.
(I thought the thread starter was supposed to be consulted before that happens, but maybe I was wrong.)
The new title is Scientific Materialism vs. Truth (re Covid-19). The last part (re Covid-19) was just tacked on yesterday, I think.
I really didn't intend for the thread to be limited to Scientific Materialism vs. Truth just as it relates to Covid-19.
Could we change it back again to the way it was?
Thanks."
here:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1378554

(I see it was changed back quickly. Any feedback, suggestions re a better title welcome. )

Natalie (and all),
I think the point of how many (all) of our experiences at the moment are twisted up in the covid plandemic is important and seems to deny all logic (mine anyway). When something so deviously destructive is so neatly packaged, that demands questions and WE HAVE THEM.

How did one "grouping" of ideas based on one approach modeling of a worst case scenario, one POV of the steps to take become gospel?
Why are all differing views being officially squelched by those governmental bodies (including the "scientific bureaucracies and effectivly what are communication public utilities MSM, Google/facebook/twitter ETC.)
What is the motivation of a simulataneous global rescinding of common sense (being that when the worst case is seen to be WRONG, then the emergency is scaled back).
WHO made themselves the boss (including W.H.O) of our personal "health" and When DID this seeming "Conspire piracy" of our basic rights begin?

The Title of the thread works on many levels, if one is asking about the Truth of a situation which has obliterated Prosperity, divided Community, undermined Trust and seems to have landed us in Crazy Town and Country. BUT also, it works because IMO scientific Materialism denotes a clockwork reality which is denied (God is in parenthesis because I cannot say God without knowing how little I know of God) as the organizing principle... an intelligence behind matter means there is (God). This has been orchestrated by a Spirit that IMO hates a Creator larger than oneself. I think "the threat to the system of control" is because there is a Communicative Intelligence (God) we can access as Consciousness (yes, I admit that is my belief based on my experience) and be uncontrollable.

If (God) exists despite ideas about "Who?What?How?Why? When?Where? IS Creator", that Truth cannot really be erased. Best to create an alternate so Science which is open ended becomes Scientism and is made GOD. Scientism created a belief, in OUR MINDS, in it's power and declared Science MUST NOT BE CHALLENGED by us ordinary men and women. That creation of a Science is Religion which is to be worshipped, means inconvenient Truth is Heresy and Heretics are to be shunned. I am paraphrasing many who think this is the case, so I am in a huge company of others.

I already questioned like many why Science and (God) should not be coherent? Intelligent design is OBVIOUS in nature. I know that once upon a time, RELIGION became a BOSS of us and was/is horrifically evilishly controling. Now Scientism becomes that control and gatekeeper. Our personal ability to discern the difference between Truth and the Bureaucratic party line is also OBVIOUSLY anathema to the agenda. I am happy about one thing. The worse it gets, the more people cannot just ignore the horror. I saw this today about intelligent Design.

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MindMatters: Opening One's Mind to the Implications of Intelligent Design
Corey Schink, Harrison Koehli, Elan Martin
Sott.net
Thu, 17 Sep 2020 00:00 UTC
https://www.sott.net/image/s29/583352/large/idimpl1.jpg
One of the most profoundly enlightening and potentially life-changing areas of study one can pursue today is that of intelligent design: the idea that life, in so many of its forms, is so complex - and on so many levels - that it couldn't possibly have come into being without the information injected into it by some form of 'higher intelligence'. While one cannot say with absolute certainty what that 'higher intelligence' may actually be, or whence it comes (or how it 'designs'), the conclusion that human beings - and much of physical reality itself - is no mere series of accidents is now quite clear. Anyone paying attention to the data, science and logic of ID research can plainly see it.

All of this understanding, however, begs for more questions. For instance: If the 'information system' hypothesis of reality is correct, then what does that say about the nature of the mind and its relationship to information? If information is 'non-material' in the sense that we understand physical reality, what does that suggest about the state of reality itself? And does the dogmatic, materialistic, neo-Darwinist worldview effectively block one's mind from assimilating real knowledge of the world and expanding on our understanding of consciousness itself, and of ourselves, as carriers of information? The implications for these lines of inquiry are as staggering as they are endless. And considering how limiting and damaging the 'accidental worldview' - and all of its offshoots are - perhaps it's time that humanity at large now comes to know what's truly at stake.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8hxCpKc8DQg

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Hypnosis is about making an illusion come real, or seem real
This can be used for good or otherwise.
By implication, it enlists the subconscious which can not tell the difference between truth and falsehood --if you dont believe this read the late Dr David Hawkins book "Power vs Force"

So what is happening just now is mass hypnosis.
Do the right thing --wear a mask-- get the test --oh wait a minute we have run out of tests -- this creates demand.
When you are tested you are taking a step to normality. You can go to work.
It will be necessary for you to be tested regularly -- establishing a routine.Join the que with mask on.
Be responsible get vaccinated --its the only way that you can go to --you name it.
Of course you will need the new app -- I mean passport to freedom.
If it shows green then you are safe to mix, of course maintaining the two-meter distance still wearing a mask of course.

Top scientists not named in UK are strongly suggesting a two week total lockdown in October --least inconvenience as the schools have a break then.
What small buisness can survive this stop go. Open close.
80% 0f the population UK employed in small businesses.

Online firm expanding

The moment you turn on local radio in UK your are assaulted with "Get tested, save a life, control the virus" or similar sound bites,
These are adverts paid for by you.

Got the NHS letter get the flu jab now -- the best reason for coming out of the house -- honestly thats what the letter said.

Hypnosis NLP relies on repetition -- what we have now is pure propaganda propelled by fear.
The lie propagated to create fear is that this virus is novel -- its exceedingly dangerous, it has after affects, every cold flue etc can have all of this put on it.
The current virus has similar mortality to seasonal flu.

So the whole economy of the world is trashed --why why why?
Well the saviour is coming --Global reset, Vaccine, One world unelected Government.
AND people will welcome all of this as they are in a trance state manufactured by what I have said here.

The antidote follow the suggestions of David Icke.
Listen to him repeatedly --even if you dont believe all he says.
Dont acquiesce etc.

Hypnosis is a science that is proven to work -- it is very effective.

Chris

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metaphysics, a branch of philosophy which is based on rational thinking, but it has no support in empirical facts

Some major topics which belong to the field of metaphysics:

• questions about space and time
• the relation between the mental and the physical
• free will
• ethics
• aesthetics

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With the exception of maybe free will, the other items on the list are measurable with empirical facts, so they’d just be classed under ‘physics’ rather than metaphysics.

Space is measurable i.e. volume.
Time i.e. Versor algebra (music)
Relation between mental and physical i.e. neuroscience.
Ethics i.e. character analysis, a subset of neuroscience.
Aesthetics i.e. geometry and proportion (classical art).

You can discuss these things philosophically of course but they all have a basic set of physically measurable principles behind them. I’d find it curiously unscientific to suggest otherwise.

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Your reflections on these topics look pretty shallow to me. Here are just two of these topics:


Questions about Space and Time

I used the wording "questions about space and time" for a reason -- here are some remarks taken from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy:

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One can ask whether space is (a) a real thing—a substance—a thing that exists independently of its inhabitants, or (b) a mere system of relations among those inhabitants. And one can ask the same question about time.

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There is also the question of temporal passage—the question whether the apparent “movement” of time (or the apparent movement of ourselves and the objects of our experience through or in time) is a real feature of the world or some sort of illusion. In one way of thinking about time, there is a privileged temporal direction marking the difference between the past, present, and future.

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https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/metaphysics/#SpaTim


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Ethics i.e. character analysis, a subset of neuroscience.

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You are using a strange interpretation of the word ethics. Here is the usual meaning of "Ethics", it has nothing to do with "character analysis":

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Ethics (or Moral Philosophy) is concerned with questions of how people ought to act, and the search for a definition of right conduct (identified as the one causing the greatest good) and the good life (in the sense of a life worth living or a life that is satisfying or happy).

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https://www.philosophybasics.com/branch_ethics.html

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Your reflections on these topics look pretty shallow to me. Here are just two of these topics:


Questions about Space and Time

I used the wording "questions about space and time" for a reason -- here are some remarks taken from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy:

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One can ask whether space is (a) a real thing—a substance—a thing that exists independently of its inhabitants, or (b) a mere system of relations among those inhabitants. And one can ask the same question about time.

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There is also the question of temporal passage—the question whether the apparent “movement” of time (or the apparent movement of ourselves and the objects of our experience through or in time) is a real feature of the world or some sort of illusion. In one way of thinking about time, there is a privileged temporal direction marking the difference between the past, present, and future.

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https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/metaphysics/#SpaTim


Ethics

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Ethics i.e. character analysis, a subset of neuroscience.

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You are using a strange interpretation of the word ethics. Here is the usual meaning of "Ethics", it has nothing to do with "character analysis":

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Ethics (or Moral Philosophy) is concerned with questions of how people ought to act, and the search for a definition of right conduct (identified as the one causing the greatest good) and the good life (in the sense of a life worth living or a life that is satisfying or happy).

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https://www.philosophybasics.com/branch_ethics.html

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What madness is this??

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Ummm, hate to burst your bubble SilvanElf, but if you knew anything about the neuroscience of character analysis, you’d see it has everything to do with ‘right conduct’, ‘the good life’, ‘happiness’ etc. Seriously read Wilhelm Reichs books on ‘The Function of the Orgasm’ and ‘Character Analysis’ before advertising your ignorance any further. It’s definitely not I who has a shallow understanding of these concepts, I can assure you that. These things are perfectly empirically measurable. A lack of insight and investigation into a science doesn’t automatically demote it to metaphysics status. That’s as shallow as me saying spaceshuttles fly on witchcraft because I haven’t studied ‘combustible chemistry’. :facepalm:

How about instead of looking in an ‘encyclopaedia of philosophy’, you look in the ‘journals of science’, since this is a discussion about science and not philosophy. Time and Space are perfectly measurable dimensions in scientific circles, even if you can find them discussed from a philosophical perspective.

Metaphysics means 'beyond science' so I wouldn't call it a demotion.

The title, framed as it is, is a negative discussion, since if the truth is the side of opposition then materialism must already be untrue. Cased closed.

So the discussion is about agreeing with the op or not.

And, ethics, is merely the modification of a moral stance to suit a lifestyle or questionable choice. Ethics is the excuse for immoral behavior, whether justified or not. The way the word might be dissected in a scholarly setting is moot.

Both space and time are reference frames, where one proves the other. Time especially, is considered, from a physics standpoint, to be arbitrary. Space has the same difficulty, since Einstein removed the ether. You can't isolate a piece of time or space for study.

Things in the same realm as space and time:
electron, photon, magnetism, strong and weak force, consciousness, god

This was not my intention:

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The title, framed as it is, is a negative discussion, since if the truth is the side of opposition then materialism must already be untrue. Cased closed.
So the discussion is about agreeing with the op or not.

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You have to remember that in the OP, I was using the term "scientific materialism" as it applies to the use of science and/or "junk science" for profit or for the furtherance of questionable goals rather than legitimate and ethical goals.
Therefore, I wanted to look at the battle between scientific materialism and science that is truly in positive service to life, including the gray areas. of which there are many.
Straying too far into "pure science", scientific theory, philosophy, etc. is what has given Bill reason to think the thread needs to be split, and he may be right.
Although the discussion about how spirituality can get left out of scientific materialism as defined both ways, is still on topic, and created an interesting expansion.

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See: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/materialism
Definition:" the philosophical theory that regards matter and its motions as constituting the universe, and all phenomena, including those of mind, as due to material agencies."
Also:
"preoccupation with or emphasis on material objects, comforts, and considerations, with a disinterest in or rejection of spiritual, intellectual, or cultural values."(--thus leaving out the higher faculties of intuition, imagination, conscience. )

So actually, the term as it is defined both ways dovetail quite nicely and fit very well into this discussion, imho.

Also, the focus should be on when lies are being told by omission--that is, when things like 5G or vaccines are claimed to be safe and the science proving it to be "settled" when there have been no legitimate studies at all that have actually proven that. Especially when the studies that have supposedly proven safety have been shown to be inaccurate, the facts skewed, or facts omitted or obfuscated.)

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The above was posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1378337

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The title, framed as it is, is a negative discussion, since if the truth is the side of opposition then materialism must already be untrue. Cased closed.

So the discussion is about agreeing with the op or not.

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Requesting that Jayke and Silvanelf take their debate to a different thread, starting around here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1378852
...as they have strayed too far off topic.
This thread was not intended to be focused solely on pure science, science theory, etc. Thanks.

update: I was thinking about an alternative title for this thread and came up with "Junk Science, Censorship, Lies and NWO Agendas"
But given how much of the discussion has already been about scientific materialism, I think changing the title at this point would just cause more confusion, especially to new readers.

Okay, Onawah, I get it. I remember what spun off this thread, now.

The problem seems to be in the interpretation of the data collected in general. The data is immediately tagged with the current bias, and no alternative can be discussed because if it is all it does is cause noise in an otherwise clear signal. The working model cannot accommodate anti-synthetical arguments. Its purpose is to synthesize data, to absorb it into the whole.

In a purely mechanistic universe the rules are different, the laws act differently, than they do in an electrical universe. The reason has to do with the electron itself, and for that matter the photon as well, and the definitions of space and time, and Einstein`s Theories, and the counter intuitive quantum constraints on logic itself. The mechanistic world view is the old view, the view of the 18th and 19th centuries. The 20th century has been about the changing of the old guard, but they will not go quietly into the dark night. Instead they rage against the fury of the truth and ravage her in the name of their egos. This will change.

The mechanistic world view is a bias, a cult, that has changed the world and now the world believes in its promise. It is a cult because we go through 17 years of institutionalized instruction, intended to rewire the brains of the young, albeit with good intent. But all institutions indoctrinate, as part of the natural survival mechanism of the institution, whose survival is paramount, obviously. An institution cannot be wrong in its mandate, or else its reason for existence will be threatened - along with the livelihoods of the many who depend on the institution for survival. There is strong resistance to change, even small ones. Foundational change is impossible...until it isn`t, and becomes obvious to all.

That day is drawing near thanks to people like you who keep battering against the fortifications. Like the walls of Jericho, they will give way under the relentless assault.

Free Energy and free the Truth!

Free Energy in itself would free the Truth! Thanks Ernie--good points, and putting it all in perspective!

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Free Energy and free the Truth!

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I just noticed that this thread was moved from the "Alternative Science" sub-forum under "General Discussion" to the sub-forum "Covid-19 (the coronavirus)".
As I've explained several times, from the very first post and after, it was not my intention to focus the discussion on Covid-19.
So I am requesting that the Mods please move it back to Alternative Science. It was a difficult choice to make, but I think it was the right one.
Thanks!

(Or maybe "Materialistic Science, Scientific Materialism... and Truth" would better cover all the bases.)

Speaking of Materialistic Science, check out:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1378837

About The Fifth International Public Conference on Vaccination: “Protecting Health & Autonomy in the 21st Century,” sponsored by NVIC, which will be held online October 16 to 18, 2020


And check out the list of talks, among which are the following great examples of how Materialistic Science is running amuck in our world today (and this is just in the realm of vaccines!):

Jacob Puliyel, M.D. — Redefining Vaccine Reactions to Erase Evidence of Harm

Alan Kassel — Consensus Science Is Not Science Because Science Is Never Settled

Meryl Nass, M.D. — From Anthrax to COVID-19: What You Need to Know About One Company Making a Coronavirus Vaccine

Theresa Deisher, Ph.D. — Ethical Vaccines and The Use of Human Fetal Cells to Make Vaccines

Michael Farris, J.D. — Why Homeschooling Is Under Attack and What You Can Do About It

Rabbi Michoel Green — Ethical Questions on Mandatory Vaccination: Respecting Life and Guarding Your Soul

Bishop Joseph Strickland — Rejecting the Culture of Death to Embrace the Sanctity of Life

Eric Metaxas — The Role of Freedom of Conscience for Martin Luther and the Protestant Religion

Stephanie Christner, D.O. — The Shrinking Medical Vaccine Exemption Handcuffing Doctors and Increasing Vaccine Risks

Alvin Moss, M.D. — Why and How Vaccine Mandates Violate the Ethical and Legal Right to Informed Consent

Larry Palevsky, M.D. — The Physician's Duty to First Do No Harm

Bob Sears, M.D. — When Public Policy Invalidates Professional Judgment: A Pediatrician's Experience

David Brownstein, M.D. — Since When Did It Become a Crime to Support the Immune System?

Marco Cáceres — Tyranny of the Experts: Who's Fact Checking the Fact Checkers?

State Sen. Heidi Sampson — Under the Influence: The Vaccine Mandate Lobby Influencing State Legislatures

Sheila Ealey — When Mothers are Silenced, Children Suffer

Andrew Kaufman, M.D. — Psychological Warfare in the COVID-19 Era

Vera Sharav — Doctors Guilty of Medical Atrocities: From Auschwitz to Tuskegee, Willowbrook and Beyond

The article continues on as follows:
"There was a very bad vaccine bill [that] passed in Virginia, one of the worst that has ever been passed. That is a bill that would codify into law the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices’ (ACIP) recommendations without public hearings, without input really to the legislators, without a vote by the legislator.

Whenever the ACIP makes a recommendation that children should use a certain vaccine, in Virginia it will automatically be put onto the state mandated list [of vaccines] for children to attend school.

The Board of Health will do a review, but the Board of Health is politically appointed. So, basically, what Virginia did is they cut the people out of the process. No longer will there be a vote. So, all the advocacy work that we're encouraging, that's how they're going to try to cut it off.

I predict they're going to try to go state by state with this legislation they passed in Virginia and make every state that way, cutting the people out of the legislative process, which is a direct threat to democracy.”

COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates Are Expected
Fisher is convinced any COVID-19 vaccine, which makes it through licensing approval by the FDA and is eventually recommended by the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, will eventually be mandated by state governments for all children. Clearly, the COVID-19 pandemic is unquestionably one of the greatest threats to freedom and liberty we’ve ever faced in modern history.

The way that they will do that is [through] social sanctions. They will try to get businesses to make it a requirement that you have to have a COVID-19 vaccine in order to work in an office. They will make it mandatory for anyone entering a public space. That's what their goal is. Whether they achieve that or not is up to us. It's up to the people ...

What they have done is unprecedented. This has never occurred in the history of the world and what is so remarkable is that, when you take a step back and look at it, you see that it is highly orchestrated.

How in the world did all the governments, including the U.S. government, decide to shut down their societies — causing widespread, catastrophic, global economic ruin, unemployment at unprecedented levels, small businesses being destroyed?
They [small businesses] will never come back, or it's going to take a long time to come back. Mental health issues and suicides are up, anxiety and depression rates are up, child abuse and spousal abuse rates are up. Hotlines are not able to manage all of the callers because people are in a state of shock and they're suffering — for what?

Yes, you can die and you can be injured by this COVID-19 infection, just like any other infectious disease. But the fear and anxiety that has been created, the pathological fear of being near anybody, ‘Don't touch anybody. Don't be near anybody.’ You would think it was Ebola and people were literally bleeding out in the streets.

This is like influenza or other respiratory infections. But look at Sweden’s per million death rate. They did not lock down. Their chief epidemiologist said, ‘We need to allow controlled herd immunity to take effect. This is an infection. It's going to go through the population. You cannot stop it. You have to manage it, but let's get herd immunity.’2

They [in Sweden] have a lower per million death rate than the United States where we tried to lock everything down. So, the science is not all in and, yet, they're rushing to bring these vaccines out using messenger RNA and DNA technology that has never been licensed for humans. There are all these calls to mandate, to make sure that every man, woman, child takes this vaccine.

This is a coronavirus, it's in the family of coronaviruses that cause the common cold. There are studies showing that it looks as if you can have a mild case of COVID-19 and still get T-cell memory helper cells that are resisting the COVID-19 infection … They also know that you can have a mild case, and it looks as if you can get immunity without even having high antibody levels.3 To me, this is a game changer.

They are having clinical trials and the standard, the measurement they're using to measure proof of immunity, is antibody titers, when the truth is — for this virus — you can have T-cell immunity and no antibodies, but still be immune!4

The other issue is, we could have herd immunity already in the U.S. A lot of asymptomatic people won't be counted as being COVID-19, so you could have herd immunity in this country already, or getting close to it, but they simply aren't measuring for it.”


It couldn't be more clear that this is Materialistic Science at its worst, threatening the health and lives of an entire generation of children, and coming soon to adults as well, if they get their way.
This is not the time to mute our voices.

This may seem off-topic, but it moved me so much, and is such a wonderful example of where science (and all of us!) need to be going, instead of trying to dominate, engineer, alter, improve upon, and/or simply eliminate the natural world, we should be learning to hold it more in reverence, respect, and understanding and FEELING our oneness with it.
Thanks to rgray222 who first posted it here:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1379126

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3s0LTDhqe5A

The Gordian Knot
Something which I think belongs here too, posted first by Helvetic at :
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1379385
The Gordian Knot
39,204 views• 9/22/20
Truthstream Media

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CmS_SkinfxI

I’ve noticed something very interesting today through my contemplations. It’s kindly humorous as well as to the topic.

We are always complaining about changing stories and information being forever incomplete. But a pick a story from your life you are perfectly familiar with, a person or event to decipher and observe the story studiously everyday for as long time you need to take.
Every time you place your mind on that story, truth, Dharma, teaching, theory or hypothesis it becomes slightly different story,
not only that it becomes more complicated and longer story with characters more protruding and data giving new shocking sense,
with some of it out of time so much you know it’s solutions will be only found in faraway future.

Thus: information is not a “set” but a a flow, a stream that expands on both ends transforming itself to new ornamental data sets,
like embroided patterns on the canvas of cosmic data stream.


In short ..

every pundit has a theory (but also quirks).



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I think we have the title right now and the placement is back to the original. Hopefully the discussion itself will continue on unabated. :nod:

The Lancet changes editorial policy after hydroxychloroquine Covid study retraction (The Guardian)

One of the world’s leading medical journals, the Lancet, has reformed its editorial policies following a shocking case of apparent research misconduct involving the study of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for Covid-19.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...udy-retraction