WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

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It makes absolute sense that this person from the "Green Party" is talking about a war and flushing more gasoline into the fire.

Its not a secret that the german green party is connected more close than any other party in germany to the united states, many of their upcoming politicans worked for partner programs with US companys before they got their positions.

joschka fischer for example even got a leading job at the CFR after his time at the german green party.

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It is a shame that practically brain-dead human beings like her can get a job like this. It is also a joke of history that the Green party used to be the pacifist party when they started in the eighties and are now the worst war mongerers.

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a little german insider joke

https://twitter.com/Trollstoy88/stat...79448668364800

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Posted by Vicus

*****FLASH***** Russia Throws Down Nuclear Gauntlet over M1, Bradley and other Offensive Weaponry to Kiev
25 JANUARY 2023

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This is FLASH TRAFFIC: Konstantin Gavrilov, the head of the Russia Delegation to the Organization for Security and Coorperation in Europe (OSCE) has just publicly thrown down the nuclear gauntlet to the collective west, in an official statement:

Gavrilov said that he has been instructed by his government to announce "We know that the Leopard-2 tank, as well as the Bradley and Marder infantry fighting vehicles, are armed with uranium-core armor-piercing projectiles, the use of which leads to [radioactive] contamination of the area, as happened in Yugoslavia and Iraq.

If such shells are delivered to Kyiv, we will consider this as the use of dirty nuclear bombs against Russia, with all the ensuing consequences."

It is a fact that the US and NATO do have Depleted Beryllium and Depleted Uranium ammunition which is used as "armor piercing" and "bunker busting" projectiles. None of these projectiles causes a nuclear chain reaction, so there is no nuclear blast from them. HOWEVER, when these particular projectiles strike their target, the metal used to make the projectiles (Uranium and/or Beryllium) is so dense, that it punches through whatever it hits. AS THAT HAPPENS, layers of the projectile disintegrate into highly radioactive powder which then travels by air, polluting entire areas for decades.

In Afghanistan, when the US used such weapons against the hideouts of Osama Bin Laden, the projectiles went through hundreds of feet of rock in the mountains and shed layers of radioactive material as they penetrated. This radioactive powder then polluted the groundwater for miles inside Afghanistan, leading to contaminated wells, which then lead to horrifying birth defects in almost all pregnant women who drank the water.

These effects have been deliberately concealed from US citizens by a compliant US media, but they occurred AND ARE STILL OCCURRING to this very day.

Russia has just thrown down the nuclear gauntlet to the West.

The probability of a now-Nuclear exchange - and outright nuclear war -- just got very, VERY, real.

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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...aponry-to-kiev

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It's very upsetting about the birth defects and the way innocent babies and civilians are suffering for many many years, (decades?) after modern military conflict - these are the weapons of monsters because they now know what depleted beryllium and depleted uranium do and let's be clear now - that if the dangerous idiots in the West provoke a nuclear war or a partial nuclear war with Russia... this could be coming to all our children, families, friends and neighbourhoods in the near future -

Politicians who are just keeping quiet, keeping their heads down and going along with all the Ukraine madness should be told to leave their jobs now - they should be sacked by the General Public immediately because they are worse than no good - they are a clear and present danger to our very existence and the future of humankind and life on earth ... why aren't they calling for Peace Talks ... negotiations?

How dare Tony Blair pontificate at the Davos WEF meeting when he is (with US politicians like Bush) personally responsible not just for the death and displacement of millions of Iraqis but also the innocent babies being born with cancers and horrendous birth defects years after - he should be hiding away in shame not trying to tell people what to do and how to live their lives...

It isn't easy to look at the horribly deformed and suffering babies but maybe we should because this is what these weapons do - this is the reality - (I won't embed the video)

Ten Years Later, U.S. Has Left Iraq With Mass Displacement & Epidemic of Birth Defects, Cancers(11:44)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNi_1pbSqGY

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http://www.democracynow.org - In part two of our interview, Al Jazeera reporter Dahr Jamail discusses how the U.S. invasion of Iraq has left behind a legacy of cancer and birth defects suspected of being caused by the U.S. military's extensive use of depleted uranium and white phosphorus. Noting the birth defects in the Iraqi city of Fallujah, Jamail says: "They're are extremely hard to bear witness to, but it's something that we all need to pay attention to ... What this has generated is from 2004 up to this day, we are seeing a rate of congenital malformations in the city of Fallujah that has surpassed even that in the wake of the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that nuclear bombs were dropped on at the end of World War II." Jamail has also reported on the refugee crisis of more than one million displaced Iraqis still inside the country, who are struggling to survive without government aid, a majority of them living in Baghdad. Click here to watch part 1 of the interview.

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Yes. :) From everything I've read, the Russians are itching to be the first to get to destroy these tanks as soon as they appear.

Even without the personal motivation, there's been a fund set up to award 500,000 rubles for the first destroyed Leopard, and 1,000,000 rubles if one is captured. Although of course this is VERY dangerous political escalation, for the Russian military this is like Game On.

The main issue for me is how the heck they're going to reach the front lines from Poland. The only realistic options are by rail or by tank transporter. (They can't practically drive 1000 km on their own.)

Both will be totally visible to the Russians: it's not like hiding ammunition in the back of an ambulance, a food delivery truck or a school bus. Many tanks may be taken out simply while they're on their slow way through Ukraine.

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For context, this green party woman is literally very bad at using the German language. One can find many Youtube videos with ridicolous gibberish coming out of her mouth. So I assume her English is way worse, since she carries some kind of deep stupidity within.

Nonetheless this could be a planned slip of the tongue, subtle signalling or whatever.

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Hahahaa! Ich dachte mir: ist das die deutsche Auslandsministerin? So irgendwie halbwegs an der Uni geschasst und dann über Journalismus (?) in die Politik, wahrscheinlich.

Nothing better had to be expected, given the Chancellor’s Lilliputian format. Brandt, Schmidt, Kohl, Schröder at least could pull off an American testicle from time to time, just to gnaw on a bit, that is. For the rest, the millions of Nazi apparatchiks were allowed to continue their business in the American protectorate.

I am busy researching the life of the great German composer of the post-war era Hans Werner Henze – why he preferred to live in Italy etc.

I still read Die Zeit two or three times a month, and from time to time the Frankfurter Allgemeine and Munich’s Süddeutsche Zeitung (available where I live now). The obsequiousness, the distortion of logic and ethics ! The pretentious chic of pseudo-intellectuals and Überheblichkeit. Almost as widerlich (vomit-provoking) as what is published in the Belgian or Dutch press.

https://twitter.com/vicktop555/statu...71264883126274

https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/s...89432206581762

https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/statu...02509450878976

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Posted by Vicus

*****FLASH***** Russia Throws Down Nuclear Gauntlet over M1, Bradley and other Offensive Weaponry to Kiev
25 JANUARY 2023

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It's very upsetting about the birth defects and the way innocent babies and civilians are suffering for many many years, (decades?) after modern military conflict - these are the weapons of monsters because they now know what depleted beryllium and depleted uranium do and let's be clear now - that if the dangerous idiots in the West provoke a nuclear war or a partial nuclear war with Russia... this could be coming to all our children, families, friends and neighbourhoods in the near future -

Politicians who are just keeping quiet, keeping their heads down and going along with all the Ukraine madness should be told to leave their jobs now - they should be sacked by the General Public immediately because they are worse than no good - they are a clear and present danger to our very existence and the future of humankind and life on earth ... why aren't they calling for Peace Talks ... negotiations?

How dare Tony Blair pontificate at the Davos WEF meeting when he is (with US politicians like Bush) personally responsible not just for the death and displacement of millions of Iraqis but also the innocent babies being born with cancers and horrendous birth defects years after - he should be hiding away in shame not trying to tell people what to do and how to live their lives...

It isn't easy to look at the horribly deformed and suffering babies but maybe we should because this is what these weapons do - this is the reality - (I won't embed the video)

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Thank you for your comment Jaybee.

A few years after the start of the second Iraq War a few brave Belgian university lecturers convened the BRUSSELL’S Tribunal in Brussels where, among other nefariousnesses, the Project for a New American Century was revealed to the (international) public. At about the same time I was taught a good lesson by one of my students, who was Serbian and informed me on the horrors depleted uranium had wreaked on Serbian civilians. A Belgian writer some of the PA members may know wrote a small stretch of prose on Fallujah (who, before depleted uranium worked its wonders on the Iraqi children) had been half burned to death with white phosphorous by the Americans in their invincible tanks.

Nobody — in the political, media, or cultural worlds — lifted a finger or an eyebrow. It was not of their concern. They ached a little when 2008 hurt their purse.

“Wir haben es nicht gewusst! Wir haben es nicht gewusst!” (said to their Russian interrogators holding depleted uranium under their noses).

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Posted by wegge

For context, this green party woman is literally very bad at using the German language. One can find many Youtube videos with ridicolous gibberish coming out of her mouth. So I assume her English is way worse, since she carries some kind of deep stupidity within.

Nonetheless this could be a planned slip of the tongue, subtle signalling or whatever.

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Hahahaa! Ich dachte mir: ist das die deutsche Auslandsministerin? So irgendwie halbwegs an der Uni geschasst und dann über Journalismus (?) in die Politik, wahrscheinlich.

Nothing better had to be expected, given the Chancellor’s Lilliputian format. Brandt, Schmidt, Kohl, Schröder at least could pull off an American testicle from time to time, just to gnaw on a bit, that is. For the rest, the millions of Nazi apparatchiks were allowed to continue their business in the American protectorate.

I am busy researching the life of the great German composer of the post-war era Hans Werner Henze – why he preferred to live in Italy etc.

I still read Die Zeit two or three times a month, and from time to time the Frankfurter Allgemeine and Munich’s Süddeutsche Zeitung (available where I live now). The obsequiousness, the distortion of logic and ethics ! The pretentious chic of pseudo-intellectuals and Überheblichkeit. Almost as widerlich (vomit-provoking) as what is published in the Belgian or Dutch press.

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Wonderful word to describe arrogance / hubris.

Does the German word Überheblichkeit literally translate as Over-estimate-ability?

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Posted by Ravenlocke

https://twitter.com/Trollstoy88/stat...79448668364800

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Yes. :) From everything I've read, the Russians are itching to be the first to get to destroy these tanks as soon as they appear.

Even without the personal motivation, there's been a fund set up to award 500,000 rubles for the first destroyed Leopard, and 1,000,000 rubles if one is captured. Although of course this is VERY dangerous political escalation, for the Russian military this is like Game On.

The main issue for me is how the heck they're going to reach the front lines from Poland. The only realistic options are by rail or by tank transporter. (They can't practically drive 1000 km on their own.)

Both will be totally visible to the Russians: it's not like hiding ammunition in the back of an ambulance, a food delivery truck or a school bus. Many tanks may be taken out simply while they're on their slow way through Ukraine.

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Perhaps using civilians as human shields on such a train ...

Joseph P. Farrell | News and Views from the Nefarium | Jan. 26, 2023

Source: gizadeathstar.com

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gsvQIfSKu7k

Did Blinken just throw in the towel on the Ukraine? According to this story shared by L.G.L.R., quite possibly!

Articles:

BLINKEN CONCEDES WAR IS LOST – OFFERS KREMLIN UKRAINIAN DEMILITARIZATION; CRIMEA, DONBASS, ZAPOROZHE; AND RESTRICTION OF NEW TANKS TO WESTERN UKRAINE IF THERE IS NO RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE

Opinion Blinken ponders the post-Ukraine-war order

“Two experienced crews MIGHT be able to change one Brad’s track in 3 or 4 hours, if nothing goes wrong (something always goes wrong). Then you got the track adjuster arms, the shock arms, the roadwheels, the sprocket itself, that all need maintained and replaced as needed. I haven’t even started talking about the engine/transmission pack yet. When you do services on that, it’s not like you just raise the engine deck lid. You got to take the armor OFF the Bradley so an M88 Wrecker vehicle can use its crane to LIFT the engine/tranny out of the hull.”

- US army veteran (anonymous)

"And Ben Wallace and Mark Milley should pay attention to the order of battle of the Russian forces opposing the Ukrainian Army, especially around the critical battlefields in and around the strategic city of Bakhmut. There, Russian soldiers belonging to the 8th Guards Army are poised to continue in the tradition of Vasily Chuikov’s heroes of Stalingrad and Berlin, destroying the forces of fascism on the field of battle."

- Scott Ritter

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Don't be too perturbed by the headline as Scott does a typically very thorough and educational job with his more recent copy for Consortium News. My own non-expert view is that most of what ends up in Ukraine will be scrap metal within a week or two:

SCOTT RITTER: The Nightmare of NATO Arms to Ukraine

Source: Consortium News

Publication date: January 24th 2023
Full article source: https://consortiumnews.com/2023/01/2...nt-to-ukraine/

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What the West is Giving

Operational training, no matter how competently delivered and absorbed, does not paint an accurate picture of the true combat capability being turned over to Ukraine by the West. The reality is most of this equipment won’t last a month under combat conditions; even if the Russians don’t destroy them, maintenance issues will.

Take, for instance, the 59 M-2 Bradley vehicles being supplied by the United States. According to anecdotal information obtained from Reddit, the Bradley is, to quote, “a maintenance NIGHTMARE.”

“I can’t even begin to commiserate how f***ing awful maintenance on a Bradley is,” the author, a self-described U.S. Army veteran who served in a Bradley unit in Iraq, declared.

“Two experienced crews MIGHT be able to change one Brad’s track in 3 or 4 hours, if nothing goes wrong (something always goes wrong). Then you got the track adjuster arms, the shock arms, the roadwheels, the sprocket itself, that all need maintained and replaced as needed. I haven’t even started talking about the engine/transmission pack yet. When you do services on that, it’s not like you just raise the engine deck lid. You got to take the armor OFF the Bradley so an M88 Wrecker vehicle can use its crane to LIFT the engine/tranny out of the hull.”

The Stryker isn’t any better. According to a recent article in Responsible Statecraft, U.S. soldiers who used the vehicle in both Iraq and Afghanistan called the Stryker “a very good combat vehicle, so long as it traveled on roads, it wasn’t raining — and didn’t have to fight.”

The Stryker is also a difficult system to maintain properly. One of the critical features of the Stryker is the “height management system,” or HMS. In short, it is what keeps the hull from riding on the tires. A failure to constantly maintain and monitor the HMS system will result in the hull rubbing up against the tires, causing tire failure and a non-operable vehicle.

The HMS is complex, and a failure to maintain or operate one component will result in the failure of the entire system. The likelihood of the future Ukrainian operators of the Stryker properly maintaining the HMS under combat conditions is near-zero — they will lack the training as well as the “logistical support” necessary (such as spare parts).

The German Marder IFV appears to represent a similar maintenance headache for the Ukrainians: according to a 2021 article in The National Interest, “The vehicle was considered unreliable from the outset: Tracks rapidly wore out, transmissions often failed, and soldiers could not easily remove the vehicle’s engine for field maintenance.”

While Germany is preparing to invest a significant amount of money to upgrade the Marder, this hasn’t yet been done. Ukraine is inheriting an old weapons system that brings with it a considerable maintenance problem Ukraine is not prepared to properly handle.

The Swedish CV 90 saw some limited combat in Afghanistan when deployed with the Norwegian Army. While there is not enough publicly available data about the maintainability of this system, one only needs to note that even if the SV 90 proves easy to maintain, it represents a completely different maintenance problem from that of the Bradly, Stryker, or Marder.

In short, to properly operate the five battalion-equivalents of infantry fighting vehicles being supplied their NATO partners, Ukraine will need to train its maintenance troops on four completely different systems, each with its own unique set of problems and separate logistical/spare part support requirements.

It is, literally, a logistical nightmare that will ultimately prove to be the Achilles heel of the Ramstein tranche of heavy equipment.

But even here, neither NATO nor Ukraine seems able to see the forest for the trees. Rather than acknowledging that the material being provided is inadequate to the task of empowering Ukraine to carry out large-scale offensive operations against Russia, the two sides began haranguing each other over the issue of tanks, namely the failure of Germany to step up to the plate in Ramstein and clear the way for the provision to Ukraine of hundreds of modern Leopard 2 main battle tanks.

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I have been convinced by the various (real) authorities cited on Avalon that a supply of tanks does not make short-term military sense. Therefore, that is not the real reason they are being supplied - and therefore we need to ask what that real reason may be.

My guess is that there are several reasons for the multi-national provision of tanks; of which the most important is that it is yet another step in war escalation. Useless tanks being destroyed in a futile fashion will lead to arguments that - to save lives and make a significant difference - they need backing by trained (NATO) personnel and support on the ground.

Another reason can best be seen with Germany: merely supplying a few dozen useless tanks has put Germany into a formal position of such aggressive hostility towards Russia that this will be, from now, very difficult to repair relations - and driving this wedge between the German and Russian people is one of the main reasons behind this conflict.

Something similar is probably a factor with every nation induced to supply armour or other aggressive weaponry. From that point such nations have chosen their side in this conflict, and will find it much harder to extricate themselves.

All this is, of course, being done by the Western leadership class who operate to benefit their globalist masters and without regard to the interests (or, indeed, survival) nations that they lead. Western leaders have been working to destroy 'their' nations for several decades (e.g. by encouraging massive immigration) and war is, for them, just a further step down the same road.

So the current move to get as many nations as possible each to contribute a handful of tanks does have reasons behind it - albeit evil reasons; however, the real reasons are not the advertised short term military objectives.

That's my best guess, for what it's worth.

An accurate analysis.

https://t.me/CyberspecNews/17907

This conflict in Ukraine reminds me of the war in Spain in the 30's:

- testing military equipment and tactics
- testing existing weapons )then from WW1) in modern war conditions.

Germany, the US, France and Russia all participated in that.

Astonishing, from fired Ukrainian spin doctor Arestovich. One has to wonder how long he will be allowed to live.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31013