Bill Ryan joining Kerry & David W. with Bill Wood

I never saw the video, but i did see the thumbnail that pie'n'eal was talking about... I very much believe in our personal right to say anything we want... however personal responsibility has to be considered.

I for one, do not like what I have seen transpire here on this subject. I think Paul and Bill have acted appropriately. The lack of respect between fellow members is not what I expected to find here.

I joined Avalon because I thought it was a place where members were held to a higher standard. I still believe that to be true. But things have been out of hand lately.

Said with love and respect to all,

Soma

MultiEyeswideopen

This is the site that is calling Avalon a mind control site.

For more prime examples of a Mind Control Cult please visit
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/
http://divinecosmos.com/forums/index.php




Here is their description:
Uploaded by MultiEyeswideopen on Jan 29, 2012
A compelling investigation into the the techniques by the puppet masters to control the flock.

For more prime examples of a Mind Control Cult please visit
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/
http://divinecosmos.com/forums/index.php
http://projectcamelotportal.com/

They are top good links to learn about cults
Category:
Education
Tags:
kerry Cassidy Bill Ryan Project camelot Project Avalon mind control cult cultism brainwashing zombies reptiles ignorace blind faith saps
License:
Standard YouTube License

[QUOTE=pie'n'eal;415334]Here is another - someone has put Avalon on to this cult video for the first few seconds.

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Video removed for propagating lies against a fellow Avalon member (not a public figure).


** In case anyone is in any doubt, that above comment referrs to a 'reply & quote' (NOT a video that was posted by me..

** THIS POST IS A NAME & SHAME--of one Carey Burtt


Hi All,

Don't know if anyone (Bill?) etc has noticed, but near beginning of this clip, is the name 'Carey Burtt'

A Google search (yes it does have its uses!) reveals a Wikipeda page on him as follows:

{{ " Films

Known for their disturbing humor and dark narratives, the films of Carey Burtt include The Psychotic Odyssey of Richard Chase and The Death of Sex, both featured in the second edition of Jack Sargeant's book Deathtripping: The Cinema of Transgression. Psychotic Odyssey is distributed by the cult production company Troma Entertainment in its "Best of Tromadance Vol. 1" DVD. It was also featured in Other Cinema's Experiments in Terror video exhibition.[1]
Mind Control Made Easy or How to Become a Cult Leader was featured in the 2005 Hell on Reels: Astoria Moving Image Festival and enjoyed audience praise. An instructional film outlining the techniques used by destructive cults, Mind Control was also featured on Supersphere.com where it received an audience award. His films have been shown in several festivals including New York and Chicago Underground and The FanTasia Film Festival. In January 2009 the Boston Underground Film Festival celebrated his work with a retrospective screening event.

In 2004 he completed his first feature, A Forked World which was co-written and co-directed by Tucson Weekly film critic James DiGiovanna.[2] It won "Most Effectively Offensive" at the Boston Underground Film Festival in 2005.[3] Burtt and DiGiovanna also collaborated on a parody of political ads, which was featured on a segment on MSNBC in December 2007.[4]
[edit] Music

Carey's Problem formed in the summer of 1986 with Cindy Brolsma and Lisa Jenio, The Problem never quite reached its full potential but released the album "Arena of Shame" in 1990 and was produced by Dave Sardy. The song "Led Zeppelin" had college radio play and was featured in the Steve Zahn film Freak Talks About Sex which played on Cinemax.

Gigi Disco Rock was formed in 1998 with friends and put out two CDs: "Will You Love Me?" and "More Songs For Clucky." [5]

In 1992 Burtt worked with film director/painter Julian Schnabel on his cd Every Silver Lining Has a Cloud released by Island Records and produced by Bill Laswell (released 1995).[6]
[edit] External links

IMDB Page

[edit] References

^ Experiments in Terror: The Horror Film and Its Spawn
^ The Internet Movie Database (IMDb)
^ Boston Underground Film Festival // Home
^ 'Tucker' for Dec. 14 - Tucker - MSNBC.com
^ SoundClick artist: Carey's Problem - UnPopArt, Shock Rock, Mental Illness Rock, Industrial Pop
^ Liner notes, "Every Silver Lining Has a Cloud" Island 19995

1http://www.othercinema.com/euro/exphorror/hprogram.html
2http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460453/
3http://www.bostonunderground.org
4http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22297085/
5http://gigidiscorock.com/
6http://www.amazon.com/Every-Silver-Lining-Has-Cloud/dp/B000001E85 "}}

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Also several other links to this ....erhm, 'charming fellow'

This one, his 'Linked in page' has a photo of HIM on it!

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/carey-burtt/5/78b/aa7

Know thine ennemy?!

Well, well, well. As much as I hate contributing to the view count of this tripe it's interesting to note that, until very recently, this channel was quiet. Two vids had been created early last year on reincarnation, and then, suddenly, in the past week and some change, all this about PA. Looks like this entity has found its cause to rail against. Has figured out a way to get some hits. They'll be offered advertisements by YT for getting a lot of views quickly if we all go and visit. I recommend those who view it and who find its statements to be abusive to the PA membership in general to report the videos to YT. If you agree, of course, then by all means enjoy to your hearts content.

Missed the video and glad that I did, I'll not waste any energy on it.

No one ever said this ride was going to be easy and this was a prime example of it; don't buy into the drama of it all that's exactly what they'd love to see.

The poo-throwing monkeys (as Modwiz might say) have certainly woken up - strange that eh?

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Hi, All:

I complained to YouTube myself this morning. I submitted:

These malicious videos smear the reputation of myself and Project Avalon by insinuating associating me and my work with a sex offender and falsely claiming that I am supporting or promoting donations for him. The claims are defamatory and are actionable legally. Please remove the videos immediately. Thank you.

I ask that anyone who cares about this contacts YouTube themselves. My complaint was filed under Privacy, but the first video was removed for "Violence": whoever registered a complaint under that category -- not me -- obviously succeeded.

Hi Bill as you know from the thread i for one have been worried about this and its implications especially by association, as more details about BW are comming out
wether they are true or false, its obviously leaves us open to attack on the site in the meantime......


Just watched the vid poor old Modwiz , this is sickening but expected i suppose at some point, its important we all stick together ...Cheers steve

The site looks brand new obviously set up to discredit Avalon/Camelot....

How do we complain ??

Thanks Celtman..

possible ...links ???

http://www.badlit.com/?tag=carey-burtt

https://youtube.com/user/KingHotPants

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Car...ient=firefox-a

This is where the original film came from ...
http://saltydroid.info/2010/02/

http://saltydroid.info/wp-content/th...150&zc=1&q=100
BluePrint to Cult Riches
{ 10 Feb 2010 :: 54 Comments }
BluePrint to Cult RichesMind Control Made Easy or How to Become a Cult Leader :: a short film by Carey Burtt.
This short film {12 min} somehow manages to be quite adorable in spite of the two brainwashed murders. It provides a clear blueprint for any budding psychopath to start making a 6 :: 7 :: or even 8 figure income simply by sucking the life out of other humans. It’s easy :: it’s fun :: and it’s a complete turn-key cult solution. Yours FREE


This maybe Carey Burt...
http://media.linkedin.com/mpr/mpr/sh...41/3cb588b.jpg

http://blip.tv/deprogramming-hour/ca...pisode-5484292

His film could have just been edited and reused by someone else....or he could have just posted it.....or he could have been commisioned to edit & post it....just throwing it out at the minute...for comment !!!

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Here's an explanation of The Tree of Liberty movement. Is this the same man? Is this the movement the donations are going to?

At 3.20 he states that Muslim terrorists were responsible for 911. This video was uploaded to Youtube 12 Oct 2010.

That's not the story Brockbrader was telling Camelot.

https://youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=YZnnEGOx1zQ


Jeanette

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I listened, and what he says has no resemblance to what you are saying he said. He is making the point that your point of view determines whether someone is a patriot or a terrorist. That's a very old adage, and one that is usually true. To Great Britain, the American colonists who were rebelling were traitors, and the guys who did the tea party were certainly terrorists, while to us they are patriots.

He doesn't even come out and say they did commit the crime. HE says that to the Muslim community they may be the good guys, as to some in the Muslim community -- like, say, Iraqis maybe? -- we are the bad guys, the terrorists.

Seems pretty true to me.

ETM

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So I watched the video and re-watched the area around 3.20 and did not see/hear any reference to a claim that Muslims claimed 911. He is saying that both sides (Christians and Muslims) claim that killing is wrong but both justify killing. No mention of 911.
Are you sure you are not mixing videos?

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He is saying that in the Middle East, the 911 attackers are seen as patriots. He goes on to say that "both sides" have taken thousands of innocent lives.
To me this is enough to say that he is confirming the official 911 story of Muslim hijackers.

And if it is not enough to confirm it, then I could say, why is is not saying in this video that 911 was an inside job and that Tomahawk missiles were used and not planes and he knew this because of his expertise with the Tomahawks?

Jeanette

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Your 'Batting Average' is slowly creeping up Jenci..!

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He's talking about point of view, and he is right. He doesn't ever say that Muslims did 9/11.

I think I may just have to transcribe what he actually does say. Because he does not say that. He does not say that. He says they are seen as patriots, yes, just like we see our soldiers who go over there and kill children as patriots. We have killed how many civilians in Iraq? How many people died on 9/11? Do you see some equality there?

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So I watched the video and re-watched the area around 3.20 and did not see/hear any reference to a claim that Muslims claimed 911. He is saying that both sides (Christians and Muslims) claim that killing is wrong but both justify killing. No mention of 911.
Are you sure you are not mixing videos?

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He is saying that in the Middle East, the 911 attackers are seen as patriots. He goes on to say that "both sides" have taken thousands of innocent lives.
To me this is enough to say that he is confirming the official 911 story of Muslim hijackers.

And if it is not enough to confirm it, then I could say, why is is not saying in this video that 911 was an inside job and that Tomahawk missiles were used and not planes and he knew this because of his expertise with the Tomahawks?

Jeanette

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Your 'Batting Average' is slowly creeping up Jenci..!

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He's talking about point of view, and he is right. He doesn't ever say that Muslims did 9/11.

I think I may just have to transcribe what he actually does say. Because he does not say that. He does not say that. He says they are seen as patriots, yes, just like we see our soldiers who go over there and kill children as patriots. We have killed how many civilians in Iraq? How many people died on 9/11? Do you see some equality there?

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Some self-inflicted wounds take forever to heal, don't they..?

I'll leave you to it etm567...:)

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I ask that anyone who cares about this contacts YouTube themselves. My complaint was filed under Privacy, but the first video was removed for "Violence": whoever registered a complaint under that category -- not me -- obviously succeeded.

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:bump2: In the true spirit of everyone has their own opinion... I am watching the vids this person has posted. As an avid youtuber, I have never flagged a video before. IMHO The fact that he was associating Avalon with contributing to pedophilia definitely deserved a flag.

If I find that I disagree with the content of this persons video (pretty sure I do) I will freely "dislike" the vid and potentially comment in defense of Avalon. The backlash of commenting on a youtube video is well described by Nerge above "The poo-throwing monkeys (as Modwiz might say)" It is not a fun experience to get into a conflict with ruthless characters on Youtube so any and all support would be welcomed. I'm honestly not sure if I want to use my energy in such a way.

(listening for the whisper from my gut and returning to youtube)

*Update*

After all of that.. I just figured out that Ratings and Comments are disabled on these vids... :mmph:

This is karma biting you in the bum.

This person has 'speculated' about Avalon and its members (wrongly) and is making videos.
This person is just mouthing off, because of his /her own limited view.

There are members here who do exactly the same thing....speculate! See where it all leads!
Don't just accept or reject information, check it out, before you comment.

I'm sorry to say here is another video.

== MOD EDIT ==
You have already been asked by Paul, to cease posting these videos.

Hello,

Attempting a debate on YouTube or "dis-liking" the video will not help.

What I've noticed is helping though is to report/flag that video and explain with a cool head what the problem is.

If its just that pie'n'eal, thats one thing but the timing is very suspicious imho...I know we should expect it and rise above it but it is still Very annoying...


http://www.dining-out.co.za/ftp/Logo...autengLogo.gif


I think i need a dose......Steve

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Hello,

Attempting a debate on YouTube or "dis-liking" the video will not help.

What I've noticed is helping though is to report/flag that video and explain with a cool head what the problem is.

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Thank you Ilie,

I just flagged the video "Project Avalon : MIND Control Techniques" I used the tabs to make my claim under the "Abusing vulnerable individuals" because of the personal attack on a member of our forum with the "Evil (you know)" title under it.

I think this is fair. I hope others are compelled to do the same.

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Posted by Cidersomerset

Hi Bill as you know from the thread we are all worried about this and its implications especially by association, as more details about BW are comming out
wether they are true or false, its obviously leaves us open to attack on the site in the meantime......Steve

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Dear Steve,

I hear, value and respect your feelings!

And I want to set the record straight that I for one, and even if I am the only one, DO NOT feel worried in the LEAST about ANY of this nor do I have ANY concern what so ever of ANY implications especially by association!! SO I am suggesting to please remember to please not make blanket statement like

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we are all worried

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..because we are NOT all worried, me being one case in point. Please feel free to speak for yourself but I want the record to state that you do not speak for me! I create my own reality and you are free to create yours. Thank you!

And you also wrote

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. I again for one knows for me that this does NOT open up any attack for me in any way shape or form. And I would also like to offer a reminder that you and all of us create our own reality with our thoughts, emotions and words. So if you feel and write "obviously leaves you open to attack" you are correct!

I personally know I am protected and that what anyone thinks about me is non of my business!! I live by the 4 agreements and do not take anything personally.

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Don't Take Anything Personally. There is an awful lot of negative energy out there and some of it is directed at us by other people. If you take it personally and take on the poison of another's words, it becomes a very negative agreement you have with yourself. What anybody thinks about you, or says about you, is really about them. Not taking it personally allows you to be in relationship with anyone and not get trapped in their stuff. This agreement can also pertain to things that we take personally that cause us to go into upset.

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Much love to us all!!

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Hello,

Attempting a debate on YouTube or "dis-liking" the video will not help.

What I've noticed is helping though is to report/flag that video and explain with a cool head what the problem is.

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Hello Illie

I am concerned that there is still a picture of one of the members of PA on Google with abusive words written across it. The video it relates to has been removed from youtube but this thumbnail still exists. We have PMed Paul the info, but not heard back - I assume things are busy your end...!

Will the image eventually be removed in the same way that the video was?

Thanks.

No problem Kimberly you are right , I should not presume ...I was just angry , I have edited it to 'I for one have been worried' !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Steve

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Hello Illie

I am concerned that there is still a picture of one of the members of PA on Google with abusive words written across it. The video it relates to has been removed from youtube but this thumbnail still exists. We have PMed Paul the info, but not heard back - I assume things are busy your end...!

Will the image eventually be removed in the same way that the video was?

Thanks.

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Hello,

We cannot control the content on Google or YouTube. We can only report it and hope for the best. There is nothing more for the admins here to do :)

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I'm sorry to say here is another video.

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This is really getting annoying , who’s side are you on here , you run out side pick up some dog doo run back in and throw it on the table, look what else I’ve found on you tube.

Come on I don’t smoke in your house, I just don’t’ like the smell this thread is headed in. come on people. Please,

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This is karma biting you in the bum.

This person has 'speculated' about Avalon and its members (wrongly) and is making videos.
This person is just mouthing off, because of his /her own limited view.

There are members here who do exactly the same thing....speculate! See where it all leads!
Don't just accept or reject information, check it out, before you comment.

I'm sorry to say here is another video.

== MOD EDIT ==
You have already been asked by Paul, to cease posting these videos.

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