Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War
Trump has volunteered the US military as an instrument for Israel, a genocidal foreign colonial implant, to attack a sovereign country that posed no threat to the US
Trump did so in violation of the Constitution and against the wishes of the overwhelming majority of the American public
Trump allowed Israel to exploit American diplomacy as a ruse and made no effort to explain the logic of going to war to the American public
Trump even ended his speech announcing the attacks by declaring, “god bless Israel”
So now it is clear and beyond debate: we live under a Zionist regime that hates us and which will sacrifice us for its ethnosupremacist agenda
Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War
After watching the national address, in my mind I did that thing where a kid keeps asking why over and over. Why? To stop nuclear enrichment. Why? Because it's a dangerous threat if someone wanted to hurt us. Why would they want to hurt us? etc. etc. After taking the series as far as I could I was even more confused than when I started.
22nd June 2025 08:09
Tintin
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I'm wondering if we'll ever know exactly what the US just did?????? I imagine it was a huge strike.
Prepare for the fog of war.
Four telegram posts from the Middle East Spectator:
1) If true, we will have to wait for the result.
The Fordow facility is extremely deep, there is a good chance the bombing was not successful.
Will be very curious to see if the GBU-57s made it through ~90 meters of granite + UHP concrete.
2) NOTE: Destroying Fordow with one sortie is impossible, even per U.S. assessments.
So unless the U.S. somehow flew multiple sorties without being noticed, or used a large amount of B-2s and dropped dozens of GBU-57s, Fordow is likely intact.
This could just be a very big media show with no result.
3) NEW: 'Three nuclear sites, including Fordow, had been evacuated some time ago and our enriched uranium stockpile was moved away from these locations, there is no risk of radiation leakage' – IRIB
4) Fordow, Natanz and Esfahan are declared sites.
It is very naive to assume Iran has no undeclared nuclear sites.
"Fog of War": you can bet on that.
Armchair Warlord, a former DoD employee by their own admission, has the following - below - to share. Their commentary is usually quite well balanced and absent sensationalism; I'd further add that this may be a more realistic likely scenario, but, time will show us all I expect:
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My thoughts on the attack on Iran, as currently reported.
It's clear that an attack took place. Official sources in the DoD are claiming 30 sub-launched Tomahawks and 6 MOPs were used via B-2s. I see no reason to take that claim at face value, absent some amount of proof.⬇️
As a first order of business, the attack passed entirely under the radar of the usual nightly exchange of fire between Iran and Israel until Trump made his announcement. There was some reporting of air defense activity and isolated blasts but nothing suggestive of a large attack, and video has emerged of what sounds like a few cruise missiles hitting a target in the desert, without secondary explosions or fires. Videos that made the rounds earlier showing large fires and explosions at these sites appear to have been disinformation or clickbait.
The attack, as the DoD insider has claimed occurred (and as the DoD will probably officially claim tomorrow) bizarrely combined the lowest and highest-risk attack methods - submarine-launched cruise missiles and multiple B-2s penetrating into central Iran to drop gravity bombs on a heavily defended site, with a need to egress hundreds of miles of alerted airspace afterwards. Perhaps the Air Force actually had the stones and capability to do this, although given they refused to risk B-2s in Yemen earlier and the IAF has conducted their campaign thus far almost entirely with standoff munitions and drones (because the Iranian air defense network is by no means down), I doubt it.
Now allow me to draw your attention to a... numerological coincidence, let's say. 30 TLAMs and 6 MOPs, 36 rounds total. I will note that US attack submarines carry 12 TLAMs in a vertical launch array, and the inside source in the Pentagon made a critical slip - they specified submarines, plural, participated in the attack. Ergo three attack submarines could have launched 36 rounds between them, and ergo it wasn't one of the Ohio SSGN conversions. Getting three attack submarines on station would have been trivial in these circumstances.
My theory for the evening? I think this was a low-risk, low-impact attack entirely conducted using submarine-launched cruise missiles, and the DoD is simply lying about heavy bomber involvement for propaganda purposes. TLAMs are accurate enough to damage bunker entrances and cause the same kind of disruptive damage that a MOP strike could realistically achieve on a site as incredibly hardened as Fordow. Damage to subterranean facilities at other sites, beyond bunker entrances, is unlikely - TLAMs are not "bunker buster" munitions. There may be a number of aboveground buildings damaged or destroyed, although given a lack of fires observed that also seems somewhat unlikely at this point.
What's Trump's play here? I think he's trying to rescue Netanyahu from the consequences of his own idiotic decision to start a war with Iran he manifestly wasn't capable of finishing, and to do so in a manner the Iranians are not necessarily going to be forced to respond to. As an American taxpayer and former DoD employee I very much hope this wasn't the most impressive attack the US military could put together on a week's notice and that this reflects deliberate restraint rather than a lack of capability or willingness to assume risk. Certainly the Iranian reaction to the attack thus far has been more eye-roll than fire and fury, with denials of significant damage or even casualties.
Let us hope it remains that way, this could go south in a real hurry.
(I realize that if you look closely at the attached picture of the USS Santa Fe sitting dockside with its VLS tubes open there is a tube numbered "14" - as you can also see, it only has 12 VLS tubes. I'm not sure how they decided to number the tubes for administrative purposes, but I thought it worth commenting on this rather odd facet of the illustration I chose.)
22nd June 2025 09:28
muxfolder
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Hold on to your MAGA-hats. Iran might actually be able to strike back.
22nd June 2025 09:38
Eric J (Viking)
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Yep…
Iran Starts Revenge Attacks With Relentless, Widespread Bombings
Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War
Just a question about the dates of the attacks on Iran:
The first Israel attack on Iran took place on June 13, a Friday. And the second attack, by the USA, took place on June 21, summer solstice.
This tweaked my attention, as Friday the 13th and June 21 summer solstice are significant dates for some satanic cults for staging events.
Here's the link to a calendar of satanic rituals, noting at the bottom that all Friday the 13th are 'high satanic days': https://theopenscroll.com/hosting/SatanicCalendar.htm
Are there other types of occult groups with calendars for staging events? What about the free masons? Does anyone here have some info on this?
22nd June 2025 10:12
Tintin
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BREAKING: comedy incoming!
Here's a little light relief. I do not know who this comedian is but he's very good, with a really neat self-deprecation - old school, and very funny :) :bigsmile:
Listen up for the "two plate solution" :ROFL: :laughs:
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UPDATE: following through on the thread there - he is Gian Marco Soresi - gianmarco - @GianmarcoSoresi
22nd June 2025 10:29
161803398
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A Turkish analysis much different from anything else I have heard describing the plan to break up Iran
What have the Americans accomplished with their nighttime strikes on three nuclear sites in Iran?
Critical infrastructure of the nuclear fuel cycle appears to have been unaffected or sustained only minor damage.
The enrichment of nuclear material — and, now we can say it outright, the future production of nuclear weapons — will continue.
A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads.
Israel is under attack, explosions are rocking the country, and people are panicking.
The US is now entangled in a new conflict, with prospects of a ground operation looming on the horizon.
Iran’s political regime has survived — and in all likelihood, has come out even stronger.
The people are rallying around the country’s spiritual leadership, including those who were previously indifferent or opposed to it.
Donald Trump, once hailed as ‘president of peace,’ has now pushed the US into another war.
The vast majority of countries around the world oppose the actions of Israel and the United States.
At this rate, Trump can forget about the Nobel Peace Prize — not even with how rigged it has become. What a way to kick things off, Mr. President. Congratulations!
22nd June 2025 11:26
Bill Ryan
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Armchair Warlord, a former DoD employee by their own admission, has the following - below - to share. Their commentary is usually quite well balanced and absent sensationalism; I'd further add that this may be a more realistic likely scenario, but, time will show us all I expect:
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My thoughts on the attack on Iran, as currently reported.
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Certainly the Iranian reaction to the attack thus far has been more eye-roll than fire and fury, with denials of significant damage or even casualties.
Let us hope it remains that way, this could go south in a real hurry.
An excellent livestream from The Duran, still in progress.
The principal point made by Alexander Mercouris is that (copying Putin's very measured and controlled example!) by far the wisest response from Iran would be to do absolutely nothing except continue their missile barrage on Israel.
He stressed that it was VERY foolish for the US to get themselves in a cornered position where what happened next was entirely dependent on the self-discipline of their adversary, therefore abdicating their own control of the entire situation.
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I've copied and paste this from the latest RT News site:
22 June 2025
11:23 GMT
The Strait of Hormuz will be closed “within a few hours,” the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Navy, Brigadier General Alireza Tangsiri, said on Sunday following US strikes on Iran’s nuclear sites.
22nd June 2025 12:02
Bill Ryan
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I've copied and paste this from the latest RT News site:
22 June 2025
11:23 GMT
The Strait of Hormuz will be closed “within a few hours,” the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Navy, Brigadier General Alireza Tangsiri, said on Sunday following US strikes on Iran’s nuclear sites.
Yes, that was the exact quote. Live updates from RT are here: (for those who can access the page)
In this excellent video update about the ramifications of the closure of the Straits of Hormuz, Chris Martenson (who understands economics better than most 'expert' economists)
Explained how and why this would crash the whole world economy.
Recommended that viewers should "run, not walk" to get whatever they needed before the prices of gasoline and everything else started to soar.
22nd June 2025 12:59
SilentFeathers
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Posted by Bill Ryan
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I've copied and paste this from the latest RT News site:
22 June 2025
11:23 GMT
The Strait of Hormuz will be closed “within a few hours,” the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Navy, Brigadier General Alireza Tangsiri, said on Sunday following US strikes on Iran’s nuclear sites.
Yes, that was the exact quote. Live updates from RT are here: (for those who can access the page)
In this excellent video update about the ramifications of the closure of the Straits of Hormuz, Chris Martenson (who understands economics better than most 'expert' economists)
Explained how and why this would crash the whole world economy.
Recommended that viewers should "run, not walk" to get whatever they needed before the prices of gasoline and everything else started to soar.
Many nations depend on the Straits of Hormuz, Iran would bring even more nations down on themselves and isolate themselves even more by plugging up these straits.
Anything's possible but I have my doubts that they will actually go through with this.
22nd June 2025 13:04
Sirus
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Reading all the reports from 'both sides' it appears that Iran has been humiliated again and is trying to save face.
Hopefully the true Persians have enough support to kick them out without a complete collapse.
22nd June 2025 13:04
Bill Ryan
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Many nations depend on the Straits of Hormuz, Iran would bring even more nations down on themselves and isolate themselves even more by plugging up these straits.
Anything's possible but I have my doubts that they will actually go through with this.
BREAKING:The Iranian parliament has unanimously reached the decision to close the Strait of Hormuz
Now, the final decision rests with the Supreme National Security Council and the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei.
My comment:
'Closing; probably wouldn't mean closing to everyone. They'd be aware not to harm China's interests. My guess is that a 'closure' would be a selective filter aimed 100% against the west. The navigable part of the Strait is so narrow (just a few km) that they could easily command which ships pass and which don't.
22nd June 2025 13:12
Sirus
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That would drag the UK into it as we have a lot of commerce passing through.
22nd June 2025 13:17
Bill Ryan
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That would drag the UK into it as we have a lot of commerce passing through.