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Posted by PaulJoel has been promoting high end security and relocation services forever :).Quote:
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It's big enough to hold my Silver Eagle coin - that should suffice, shouldn't it?Quote:
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I think you're right. I've never followed this guy much but his track record looks awful. I think he's just a plant to seed negative info about futures and skew the timeline.Quote:
Clif seems always to get it "just a little" right, but is years into the project and virtually everything is overblown by several orders of magnitude. He has explained why several times in interviews. (Humans express themselves better negatively) So why not tone down the forecasts accordingly?
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Posted by PaulCalz posted that one too, over on Giovonni's "Up at the Ranch" thread.Quote:
Posted by astrid
I posted this detailed response, from the perspective of a skeptical debunker.
My conclusion, in short: fear mongering nonsense :).
(But that would be easy for me to say, sitting high atop the North American plate, many hundreds of miles from the nearest coast, dormant volcano, or location with even the slightest potential of a non-trivial earthquake, volcano, tsunami or "coastal event."
Well ... yes and no. It was included in a post from another site.
In keeping with debunking the skeptical debunkers ... let's get the whole story rather than using nested parsing.
Backdrop was it was right after the 8.2 (or 8.3) off Russia/Japan and right in the Remote Viewing window as depicted by Courtney's group as well as validation studies initiated by Clif using members of said group.
Thus people were (some still are) quite jittery.
Notice my quantifier:
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Not confirmed so simply passing along. Use your discernment (particularly if you and yours live in the area).
The 5.7 (yes there was one and not two ... I noticed that but didn't point it out ... my bad there) was stronger than California had experienced for awhile and in an unusual area.
The title was calling attention to the *possibility* of a plate fracture as well as "alleged" insiders calling for leaving the area.
Based on the nature of several events it seemed worth passing along with the caveat that it was *unconfirmed* and to use *discernment*.
Since we had been posting some about Clif's stuff in the Ranch thread (and since James Gilliland has been public for a long time about receiving psychic information suggesting a big quake off Oregon and "coastal events" on both coasts ... I don't find it was fair to label such, when viewed in whole, as "fear mongering nonsense".
Steve Quayle ... yes that is another story ... but that was only a 3rd party portion of the post at transients.info.
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Posted by Calz
I never believed this, simply because its way over the top, like a movie Hollywood would conjure up.
Are you telling me 1.2 billion people (did I get that number right) will perish just like that?
Nah, there is a Keeper of this planet, and very obviously, this Keeper has the final say. That's why even though "they" love to make us believe some mega doom will happen, it just won't/can't.
All this doom mongering fails to take this simple factor into account - Our planet is obviously watched over (because we are special beings with POTENTIAL; we just don't live up to it).
Yes, the world is really effed up, but if you think the overall situation is bad, you ain't seen nothing yet....
I believe that bar will still drop further; now is just not the time for such mega doom; still have some way to descend..... before we hit rock bottom.
If you talk about about much, much, much smaller quakes or disasters, that is totally possible. Even a Katrina or Indonesia tsunami was just VERY minor. Some disaster like may even happen very soon, just as throughout mankind's history....
BUT, not something that practically wipes out the whole planet and 1.2 billion people. That's what I mean by - way over the top.
It's ridiculous! :yo:
that you don't believe it doesn't mean it's not possible, or necessary.Quote:
Posted by xeon
Clif is just telling us what his software is bringing back to him and what it could be telling him.
On one of his May wu's, he said he hopes he is just waiting for something that will not happen and that he is wrong.
I mean, no one has to go to his site and read any of his articles or listen to anything he has to say.
That being said, I personally find his work interesting.
Warlock :wizard:
If it was just Clif I would say he is crazy.
However he got validation for at least the part that was pertaining to his neck of the woods from various remote viewers.
Courtney Brown came up with similar as did Ed Dames.
Some of it seems to have happened---HOWEVER there is the possibility of remote viewers picking up different time lines.
So a time line (I dont really like that expression) can go so far then produce many different end results in multiple universes, at least that's the theory and for all I know its so.
For my money---either we are going to have a changing earth at the current rate or a sudden "earth shattering" change soon or years from now.
The fact that it is changing cant be denied.
While we can manifest/change the small stuff---that's valid.
I doubt if we have the ability to make much impact on cyclic events that have been happening since time began and long before we arrived here.
God stands for Generation--Order---Dissolution.
Forest fires are essential for long term health of the woods.
It would seem that the world needs ice ages and on it goes---all cyclic.
Obviously hoping that there is no above average event that causes suffering to all/any life.
Chris
Maybe I am misunderstanding you here, but how can thought stop an earthquake, volcano, tsunami, tornado, hurricane, a hailstorm with hail the size of softballs, etc?Quote:
Posted by we-R-one
I understand that many people do not realize the power of negative and positive thoughts in their own personal lives, but we are talking about a global coastal event, not the power of positive thinking.
Please do not take this comment as an attack on you or your comments.
Warlock :wizard:
Personally I would be reluctant to try to change anything where I dont know the purpose behind it.
From my perspective it would seem a very good idea to save as many lives as possible--- however thinking on, people of NDE say there is no death so what's there to fear?
One example a sage gave.
"Living at the North Pole I want to raise the temperature its freezing here--so I do.
I just caused untold misery and death to people on the equator.
I could have moved somewhere warmer myself.. "
The Totality brings everything about and It knows best.
We may bring about change which seems beneficial.
In the short term it may well be, however in the long term it could be a massive disaster.
We will just have to wait and see--June the 2nd not far away.
Ch
I have a question. I've asked this before, but no one has ever responded, so I'll try again. (persistent little stinker that I am, but really, I'm just trying to gain more understanding)
We talk about this world as an illusion - from which we have to wake up. Yet the illusion is very persistent (per Einstein and our own experience). Now, let's say(in what we call this 3D reality) our child is in the bedroom flailing about in bed in the midst of a bad dream. Do we try to get into his head and make his dream better, or do we simply shake him and wake him up, hug them and say it's okay, you were just having a bad dream?
I think you get my point. If this is an illusion, in trying to make the illusion better are we just keeping the illusion going, because:
a) it's getting better
b) we have become addicted to solving the problem of making it better or different
c) we really believe it's real on some level
or would it be better to let it become intolerable and force us to wake up - as sometimes in dreams pure fear wakes us up.
or should we just ignore what's happening, because withdrawing our attention to it just makes it more real? (Although this never seemed like an answer to me, since so many - as in those who watch TV non-stop, seem to be ignoring it, but maybe one must purposely ignore it, (as in really see what's happening) rather than ostrich in the sand mentality.
Or, is it possible that we are being trapped into this matrix by (Et's, some unknown source, etc).
While this may seem unrelated to a Global Coastal Event - if this world is an illusion, so would be a GCE
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Bingo!
... and therein lies the paradox of unlimited possibilities.
Timeline change??? Mitigated by thought??? Divine intervention??? Total BS??? Global consciousness??? ET help???
I highly recommend anyone interested listen to the first hour of this interview with Courtney who explains many things regarding remote viewing (and brings up Clif a few times).
He suggests some of their latest work can actually *prove* the timeline theory(s). Clif doesn't believe in timelines.
Now having said that ... one thing I don't agree with him about is that when the near miss asteroid coupled with the one that exploded over Russia hit (February I think it was) he suggests that proves the timeline had changed. Courtney's RV'ers were of the opinion asteroids hitting the ocean(s) were the cause of the coastal damage whereas Clif suggested earth expansion.
It is clear we are traveling through an area of space with many more asteroids and meteors so I don't agree with using simple mathematical probabilities based on normal odds for meteor/asteroid strikes.
He does mention there are, indeed, more now lately but seems to be sticking with his thought that the timeline has changed based on the "odds" of more strikes so soon.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/freeass...ames-gilliland
http://blog.blockbuster.com/wp-conte...ah_connor2.jpg
In many ways I think you answered your own questions.Quote:
Posted by Ba-ba-Ra
With a child I would hold them gently and wait for them to awaken.
The enlightened sage meets you where you stand and leads you gently or points the way.
They dont say you got it all wrong you idiot.
Different strokes for different folks.
The hope is that more come out of the dream---one might say they are hold back those dedicated to moving forward.
Those who are on the edge of discovery are ready for a loving enthusiastic gentle push.
The other side of it is though--Who are we to say what should be done?--life has a way of moving people forward or not as the case might be.
Hope that is helpful.
Chris
Maybe it's not about illusion.Quote:
Posted by Ba-ba-Ra
Maybe it's about dimension.
Warlock :wizard:
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Posted by greybeard
There is no changing the world without infringing upon the freewill of others, which in turn causes more karma/experiences. The only choice left is to change ourselves.
Any actions that arise out of a low level of consciousness will have a less than perfect result. Any action that arises from an enlightened being will have a perfect result.
Moral of the story - We should all sit on our hands until we become enlightened.
Perhaps maybe I take some of my internal knowledge for granted. There are many studies on the power of intention so you would have to take the time to do the research on your own and draw your conclusion from there. We are all tied into the same energy field and our thoughts do have an effect on our environment in more ways than most even understand. Much of my affirmation comes from personal experience that I cannot prove in the same way that Jiminii can't prove his ability to manipulate the weather. Which is why many of us star seeds will say you are more powerful than you know. This comes from experiencing situations where one can transform their reality through the power of intention whether alone or with others, by manipulating the energy around them in order to obtain the desired results. There is nothing you cannot do or control, it is your belief systems that hold you back from obtaining and implementing this type of power that has the ability to transform your reality. I have no doubt that this is all ready being done in advance civilizations since you are living in the past on planet Earth.Quote:
Posted by WarlockMaybe I am misunderstanding you here, but how can thought stop an earthquake, volcano, tsunami, tornado, hurricane, a hailstorm with hail the size of softballs, etc?Quote:
Posted by we-R-one
I understand that many people do not realize the power of negative and positive thoughts in their own personal lives, but we are talking about a global coastal event, not the power of positive thinking.
Please do not take this comment as an attack on you or your comments.
Warlock :wizard:
So when I tell you I've been able to speed up time in the car to arrive at my destination quicker, which is known as time dilation, or make someone call me whom I haven't talked to in 10 years and no longer had my number which was unlisted, both through the power of intention which in essence is the manipulation of energy etc, etc....you begin to see the possibilities are endless as to what you can do. As more people understand this, and implement the same belief systems, our world will advance in unimaginable ways. Hopefully sooner than later the studies will catch up with what some of all ready know to be true.
Yes. Or not. The GCE--or something of similar magnitude--could be that which shakes the child from her dream.Quote:
Posted by Ba-ba-Ra
Hello we-R-one. The power of intention is very real--in fact, more than real. It is reality itself. As far as I understand, however, this is exactly why I'm inclined to take the webbot predictions seriously. That's not to say I ever taken the GCE, specifically, or any other webbot forecast as gospel. I just take it seriously, whether it ever materializes in time or not. As far as I understand, the webbot is really nothing but a crude measure of the collective intention, as best this so-called collective intention can be quantified on a subconscious level on the Internet. In my mind, it is a crude measurement and not infallible, and certainly not augural (to say the least) but it is a measure, albeit crude, of the collective intention. I see no contradiction whatsoever in your view of this matter with the OP...Quote:
Posted by we-R-onePerhaps maybe I take some of my internal knowledge for granted. There are many studies on the power of intention so you would have to take the time to do the research on your own and draw your conclusion from there. We are all tied into the same energy field and our thoughts do have an effect on our environment in more ways than most even understand. Much of my affirmation comes from personal experience that I cannot prove in the same way that Jiminii can't prove his ability to manipulate the weather. Which is why many of us star seeds will say you are more powerful than you know. This comes from experiencing situations where one can transform their reality through the power of intention whether alone or with others, by manipulating the energy around them in order to obtain the desired results. There is nothing you cannot do or control, it is your belief systems that hold you back from obtaining and implementing this type of power that has the ability to transform your reality. I have no doubt that this is all ready being done in advance civilizations since you are living in the past on planet Earth.Quote:
Posted by WarlockMaybe I am misunderstanding you here, but how can thought stop an earthquake, volcano, tsunami, tornado, hurricane, a hailstorm with hail the size of softballs, etc?Quote:
Posted by we-R-one
I understand that many people do not realize the power of negative and positive thoughts in their own personal lives, but we are talking about a global coastal event, not the power of positive thinking.
Please do not take this comment as an attack on you or your comments.
Warlock :wizard:
So when I tell you I've been able to speed up time in the car to arrive at my destination quicker, which is known as time dilation, or make someone call me whom I haven't talked to in 10 years and no longer had my number which was unlisted, both through the power of intention which in essence is the manipulation of energy etc, etc....you begin to see the possibilities are endless as to what you can do. As more people understand this, and implement the same belief systems, our world will advance in unimaginable ways. Hopefully sooner than later the studies will catch up with what some of all ready know to be true.
If I have misread your post, or am misguided, by all means I am open to learning more about your perspective.
The way I see it is that this world is an illusion, but it's a real illusion. It exists as an illusion, and it seems very real when you're in it, even if you know it's not real. And when it comes to life threatening things, it doesn't matter what you think, your body believes it's real (especially when it comes to physical threats and pain.) Personally, I really don't believe any of it anymore, much less believe in my own identity or life drama, and all that. But that does not mean I stop engaging with life.Quote:
Posted by Ba-ba-Ra
The answer is not to be heedless. I think two of the pitfalls of a spiritual seeker is in disregarding things just because they are illusions (after all, those illusions are what you have come to experience!) and disregarding the suffering of beings because you can see their suffering as just more illusions. I think it's very important to practice mindfulness and to treat people's suffering with compassion. I don't think acting in a way "as if" the world and the various dramas and appearances were as real as they seem to be makes things worse at all.