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I cannot make sense of your above comment. Who is the "he" who you think is falsely accused of trying to debunk nukes?
I agree that Chris Bollyn is apparently correct in finding Duff's report that the antenna vaporized to be incorrect. As I noted above, I think that there was confusion in Duff's report between the "spire" and the radio antenna:Quote:
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that was a confusing page, looking back I see it was Jim, not Chris's theory.Quote:
Posted by PaulHi Rocky,Quote:
Posted by Rocky_Shorz
I cannot make sense of your above comment. Who is the "he" who you think is falsely accused of trying to debunk nukes?
I agree that Chris Bollyn is apparently correct in finding Duff's report that the antenna vaporized to be incorrect. As I noted above, I think that there was confusion in Duff's report between the "spire" and the radio antenna:Quote:
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the simple answer is both were used, it was used for the sheer cuts on the beams, while the nuke went off up above.
we have seen the modified military plane with the attachment below that hit the twin towers, nuke, thermite... anything could have been loaded in the planes.
Space Weapons hasn't come into the story yet, but that is still a suspicion though no one can confirm it that wants to survive publishing the info.
white plane in the sky directing the operation, controlling the unmanned attack planes. painting a target for the sky beam
so what happened to the 2 Boston flights filled with people?
a plane full of people that didn't send one message from cell phones, once again jamming technology like what was used on flight 370
we've all seen the street workers video of the first plane hit, but I ran across this one which is from a different angle, the explosion looks huge compared to the other video...
can you tell if this one has the unit attached under the belly?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UxTB3B3XPEI#t=41
at 42 secs, the back blew out before the plane finished hitting...
Wow! That's not the second plane hitting the south tower. That's the first plane, hitting the north tower (as you noted). It is taken from across the Hudson river, so the north tower, the one with the radio tower, is to the left. The sun (9 AM in the morning) is shining on the south side (the right side) of each tower, and the west side (left side from this view) is still in the shadow.Quote:
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This is only the second video I have ever seen of the first, north tower, impact. The first such video being a well known shot by the French Naudet brothers film crew, while shooting a documentary from the streets of Manhattan.
Here are six still frames from the point right around the impact, extracted from the above video.http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame1.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame2.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame3.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame4.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame5.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame6.pngThe resolution is too poor to identify the flying object, but it is about the right length for the American Airlines Flight 11 Boeing 767-223ER that supposedly hit the north tower. Such a plane is 160 feet long, and each twin tower was 64 meters on a side so had about a 150 foot diagonal.
The erupting explosion does indeed happen quickly, seemingly too quickly.
Here is a still from the better known video shot by Jules Naudet:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Firstplane.jpg
thanks Paul,
You know I stay away from 9/11 normally, but I had never heard it mentioned...
remember the Israelis on the bridge dancing? Isn't that in the same direction as this shot?
then handed over to an Arab network to be shared like it was militant planned...
that plane rocked the whole upper part of the building, huge explosion...
http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame4.png
can you catch a frame just after this one? I paused at a moment less than half the plane had hit and the other side of the building blew. before the plane fuel exploded...
right at 42 just after the man, looking up at the tower... plane hasn't hit the other side is burning.
after looking a few times, that is a shot of the 2nd inbound
Here are frames 1 to 9 of the 20 frames of the south tower "collision" from your video:Quote:
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http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame1.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame2.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame3.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame4.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame5.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame6.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame7.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame8.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame9.pngI suspect that the smoke in the first seven of these frames, with the man in the foreground, is from WTC 1, which is behind WTC 2 from that angle.
Here are frames 10 through 18 of those 20 frames:
http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_sou...er_frame10.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_sou...er_frame11.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_sou...er_frame12.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_sou...er_frame13.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_sou...er_frame14.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_sou...er_frame15.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_sou...er_frame16.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_sou...er_frame17.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_sou...er_frame18.png
And here are the last two frames, 19 and 20, of those 20 frames (I'm only allowed 9 images per post):http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_sou...er_frame19.pnghttp://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_sou...er_frame20.png
The "nose of the airplane" coming out the other side has been used as evidence that this was entirely a CGI or more exotic such visual technology, not the claimed commercial passenger airplane, impacting the second tower.
I would speculate from (1) the disappearing left wing in frames 2 to 6 (two posts above) and from the nose coming out the other side in frames 10 through 18, that this was partially "CGI" (actually, other more exotic visual technology) for the wings, along with a high mass, hard nosed, projectile that was able to completely penetrate the entire building intact, before exploding slightly later than likely intended, just after coming out the other side.
so Building 7 FBI were on an "excercise" in California...
a new commander was put in place on the morning of a training drill of inbound planes...
not knowing how things are supposed to go, when he had a call from Air traffic controllers, he didn't scramble the jets, but put a few in their birds just in case.
both hijacked planes crossed directly overhead of the new commander...
incompetence was the official story...
who put the whole WTC7 FBI building in California for this training?
It looks like, at the moment of impact, someone via remote pressed a red button to set off a bomb that was planted on those floors! That the blast was also seen instantaneously coming out on the other end of that building at the moment of impact too is just too much for me to wrap my mind around. It seems to defy all logic!
IOW's, it looks like a bomb went off on those floors a split second before the plane hit that building....
http://www.pakalertpress.com/wp-cont...etonations.jpg
"First fact is that the collapse sequence was an hour after planes hit,
and fires were being managed and it seemed stable until the tower that was hit second, off center through the corner, detonated in a huge symmetrical engulfing fireball at approximately the same weakened floors. turning the building into amazing huge chunks of flying shrapnel. Exterior sections and hundreds of 20 foot I beams blown outwards hundreds of feet, showering other buildings and it FELL Straight Down, not over on the smashed out corner.
A huge dense gray cloud burst outward while a dense black cloud continued upwards. The two clouds separated in a few seconds and the upper cloud formed a large black mushroom cloud while the lower gray cloud formed a huge, hundreds of feet wide, “Dreadlock Cloud” all around the building, filled with molten hot I beams.
Small dusty blasts came from windows just below, which some claim were smaller timed controlled detonations but they also could be air bursts from the over pressure of the collapsing floors. It all quickly merged into one huge dredlock cloud and then when it hit ground, it billowed upwards into a 20+ story lighter colored pyroclastic cloud that engulfed the streets and buildings and proceedd horizonatally outwards.
By then the upper black mushroom cloud was well developed and drifting and a void opened to view where the buildings used to stand. The clouds enveloped Manhattan and adjacent waterways for miles. There was absolutely no evidence of any type of “Pancaking Floors” as it was all transformed into gray dust and flying beams. It fell with such velocity that it had No Resistance, as proven by analysis of the timing and gravity, a pure free fall showing total disintegration of all structural strength, with only jagged fragments of the exterior still standing a few floors above ground, The debris piles were only a few floors high with only a small fraction of the total building materials and weight, the vast majority being turned into black mushroom clouds and and even larger gray pyroclastic clouds, across the Island. As I recall, over 2/3rds of the buildings totally vanished!
This close up photo clearly show the incredible violence of the ripping open of the building near the upper floors. Only chunks of the exterior remain as the interior portions are dusted along with fully separated i Beams. Every molecular bond broken, every rivet busted out.
http://inapcache.boston.com/universa...3_2H469386.jpg final blast rips sides open
This is the Dredlock Cloud, early in the collapse. and almost identical on each building all the way down.
http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/05/71/63.../5/628×471.jpg Dredlock wtc
This is a photo of the clouds, quite distinct from the earlier fire clouds which never mushroomed and drifted orderly and horizontally away for an hour."
http://sharing.wwlp.com/sharewlin//p...32_640_480.JPG Cloud
http://www.rense.com/general96/SD_html_237dda03.jpg
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http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/201...ptember-11.jpg
Story debunked by Mick West at MetabunkQuote:
A new and terrifying 9/11 conspiracy has hit the news. We are now confronted, not only with startling proof that 9/11 was a “nuclear event,” but that there have been thousands of unreported deaths in New York, radiation cancers and nearly 70,000 being kept alive with experimental stem cell therapy and physically devastating “chemo.”
One of the biggest medical cover-ups in history was exposed this week when Wall Street brokers suffering from cancer after 9/11 made the news. While telling their story, the New York Post revealed that 70,000 New Yorkers have applied for 9/11 victim compensation, most for cancers that can only be attributed to direct exposure to ionizing radiation from nuclear weapons.
Officials would not give a breakdown of cancer victims, but 10,800 downtown workers make up the second-largest group of registered claimants after 39,500 Ground Zero responders. There are another 16,600 in smaller categories such as residents, students, child-care and health-care workers.
Finance workers engulfed in dust and debris from the Twin Towers’ collapse say the attacks — and returning to Wall Street a week later, when officials insisted it was safe — triggered their diseases.”
There is no other established cause, not “toxic soup” or irradiated drywall. In fact, the 70,000 victims represent the largest cancer cluster in history, even more victims than survivors of both Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined, the only other similar “spike” of multiple myeloma cases.
Of the 70,000 victims, over 90% say they were exposed within a one-square-mile area. Yet the cover-up has been so thorough that only one death has been “officially reported” and only a small number of victims have been paid compensation due to a “system” ripe with denial, disinformation and corruption.
NUKES, NOT PLANES AND PANCAKES
The official cause of the collapse of the three towers at the World Trade Center was a terror attack involving two airplanes. We are told that the towers simply collapsed because they were built without a central core and heat had weakened the steel on the poorly designed structure.
Studies by Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, however, tell a different story, that of the most powerful buildings on earth with massive steel cores and a design capable of withstanding aircraft crashes, earthquakes or fires without significant structural damage.
The third tower, Building 7,”simply fell for no apparent reason. No answers were given and when questions were asked, the answer was “Building what?”
The “official report” simply made it all up, junk science and perjured testimony. For the cancer victims of 9/11, the lying is still going on.
Were one or more of the three towers destroyed on 9/11, the victim of “nuclear demolitions?” An article in the New York Post outlining the largest “cancer cluster” in history may well do exactly that.
WHERE THE “NUKE” CLAIMS COME FROM
Recently, stories attributing the destruction of the World Trade Center to “nano-thermite” were spread across the news. They originated from “Gawker,” a website for New York-based media insiders.
The first time nuclear weapons were mentioned involving 9/11 was when former Soviet nuclear intelligence officer, Dimitri Khalezov, wrote of being briefed by his government that nuclear demolitions had been planted under the World Trade Center.
Khalezov told of a September 12, 2001 meeting with Mossad operations chief Mike Harari and other Israeli intelligence specialists including Harari’s son.
At a celebratory brunch in Bangkok, according to Khalezov, the Israelis took credit for the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks. Khalezov presented proof, including a copy of Harari’s passport, issued under a false identity but with a clearly recognizable photo.
In 2007, a team of FBI agents flew to Bangkok to interview Khalezov. Their investigation was of specially built aircraft they said crashed into the twin towers, each containing, according to the FBI, a small nuclear weapon.
They also interviewed Khalezov about the Pentagon attack and his belief that a stolen Granit missile had been used.
According to authoritative sources, “Lord of War,” Victor Bout, the CIA gun runner portrayed by Nicholas Cage in the film, Lord of War,” was extradited to the United States where he is imprisoned, not for the charges the public is told of, but for supplying the missile used to attack the Pentagon.
No mention is made of who Bout’s co-conspirators were.
In 2010, sources within the Defense Intelligence Agency began working with an operational hypothesis that the twin towers were destroyed with advanced “neutron-like” weapons that left no radiation signature. They believe that multiple weapons were used, not only in the towers themselves but in the subbasement as well.
Reports by investigative journalist Jeff Prager outlining underground fires lasting months along with the almost total lack of wreckage is seen by many as a very strong confirmation of the DIA hypothesis.
THE CONTINUING COVERUP
After 9/11, tens of thousands of Americans developed cancer. Many died but no one will ever know how many. That number is, for some reason “classified.”
By 2006, the Village Voice had begun to write about the cancer epidemic and Dr. Larry Norton of Sloan Kettering Memorial Medical Center cited that something in the dust may have caused the cancer outbreak. Norton demanded a detailed study be funded, but no study followed.
In fact, there was never any evidence that the “toxic dust” was, in fact, any different than what New Yorkers had been breathing for decades. Why should it have been?
They had been demolishing buildings in Manhattan for a century. Then the reports became more bizarre.
Stories were circulated that the World Trade Center was built with Chinese drywall containing radioactive phosphor-gypsum. However, no “Chinese drywall” had been imported to New York at that time nor was any used in the World Trade Center construction.
Then again, there is no evidence that small amounts of radiation could have caused the massive spike in cancers, with up to 70% of the tens of thousands of first responders suffering according to Dr. Norton.
THE “NUCLEAR TEST” CANCER
The cancer is multiple myeloma. Victims are told they got it from breathing “toxic soup” from 9/11, mostly drywall dust. The number of victims who have thus far applied for benefits from the 2.7-billion-dollar 9/11 fund, as reported in the New York Post story, that number is 69,900.
There is one known direct cause for this disease, exposure to a nuclear explosion. Multiple myeloma is also known as “the Hiroshima disease.”
Studies at both Los Alamos and Livermore Labs show little increase, no more than 4%, for minor radiation exposure. There are no other established factors, no “toxic soup” that can cause this disease.
From Cancer Compass:
“Some research suggests that there are certain multiple myeloma risk factors increase a person's chance of getting multiple myeloma. Farmers and petroleum workers exposed to certain chemicals also seem to have a higher-than-average chance of getting multiple myeloma. In addition, people exposed to large amounts of radiation (such as survivors of the atomic bomb explosions in Japan) have an increased risk for this disease.”
In 1988, Congress established (Radiation Exposed Veterans Compensation Act Pub. L. 100-321) those diseased attributed to ionizing radiation from nuclear explosions. Listed as “Number 2” under leukemia is multiple myeloma.
WE’VE SEEN IT BEFORE
After the Vietnam War, veterans began dying of a series of diseases, including cancers typically tied to dioxin exposure. However, the government denied that it had used any form of chemical that could have been responsible.
After a series of commissions, lawsuits and investigations, it wasn’t until 1991 when the US government admitted that Agent Orange had already killed as many as 100,000 veterans. Were they diagnosed and treated using information the government withheld, many if not most would be alive today.
Gulf War Syndrome is an almost identical abuse with over 10,000 deaths and a government that waited 20 years to admit a problem existed, as before, only after most of those who could have been diagnosed and treated successfully using withheld information were already dead.
An identical situation exists in New York. Perhaps the most insidious part is the obfuscation regarding non-specific “toxic dust” as a causation. Withheld information has led to over a decade of purposeful misdiagnoses with medical professionals fearful of being charged as “conspiracy theorists” if they develop and treat patients in accordance with established procedures involving radiation exposure.
Instead, tens of thousands have developed statistically impossible diseases with the vast majority misdiagnosed for years.
Today, 70,000 survivors of 9/11 have cancer. There is no official cause other than “toxic soup,” a term any medical researcher would cringe upon hearing.
GD/NN link
what do you think this ball is fired from the helicopter?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LPKq2K2dh6k
Pentagon hit
https://youtube.com/watch?v=PtG6wlRjVQA
To what helicopter do you refer? (Perhaps that would be evident if I knew to what post you replied.)Quote:
Posted by Rocky_Shorz
right under the comment, the video called "The Ball..."
in one of the other tower 2 videos you see what looks like a news chopper in the distance, covering the burning tower...
the guy who put the video together talks about it being fired from a Helicopter, hits at the same moment and location as the plane which could explain the massive Tower 2 explosion if the ball is the nuke... almost like the plane was lighting up the target for the bomb with the bright light shown in several videos.
it reminds me of what is reported as a UFO attacking the Proton Satellite Launch Russia had explode recently...
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Ah - the video of the "ball" flying into WTC 2 was shot from a helicopter, not the ball itself.Quote:
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I hear no speculation in Richard D. Hall's RichPlanet.net interview of Andrew Johnson as to the source of the ball, and I hear no speculation of any helicopter firing any objects at anything.
6:19 "The ball was allegedly shot from a helicopter"
looks much like the one in these videos...
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Aha - those words - written on the screen - I was listening, not reading :).Quote:
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However, the exact quoting and wording of what's written on those video frames is:
This to me is ambiguous - does it mean to suggest that a helicopter fired a ball, or that a video called "THE BALL" was taken from (shot from) a helicopter." THE BALL "
was allegedly shot
from a helicopter
Ah - no - it's not ambiguous. Here's the Simon Shack SEPTEMBER CLUES video from which Andrew Johnson took the clip with this caption:
At 10:49 to 10:54, this Simon Shack video displays these words on the screen text:
"THE BALL" is only to be found
on the NBC archives.
This private VHS tape shows only
a faint, nearly invisible streak:
Simon's phrase "THE BALL" refers to (shot) video of the ball, not to (fired) balls.
Simon's presents "THE BALL" video itself starting at 10:08 in his video.
One more detail -- if there is a helicopter capable of firing a 39 foot diameter high mass projectile ball at 200 or 300 miles per hour on a "rope", a nearly straight line trajectory over perhaps a mile -- I want that helicopter (but not its fuel or maintenance bills) <grin>.
That would be one mean mother of a chopper.
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I find more likely Richard D. Hall's speculation that this "ball" was an advanced anti-gravity device, at the end of the first video in Post #94, above.