I agree with you that GD is a good man. Strangely, some people seem to want to deify him. Not my style ... at all. So many are just aching to have some leader to follow.Quote:
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I agree with you that GD is a good man. Strangely, some people seem to want to deify him. Not my style ... at all. So many are just aching to have some leader to follow.Quote:
Posted by Nine
"I cannot imagine a world where i justify telling lies to tell the truth. "Quote:
Posted by JakeThank you. Paul, I have a piece of the puzzle... I cannot imagine a world where i justify telling lies to tell the truth. Perhaps I will embrace lies and deciept, as a valid way to tell MY story... Perhaps I will insult and discredit and attempt to destroy others who do not see it my way. Perhaps I will insist that my piece of the puzzle is THE ONLY PEICE,,, and that anyone who claims to know what i know is an adversary... Maybe i should tell you that nearly half of what i say is Bull****, yet demand that you only listen to me!!!Quote:
Posted by PaulGood stuff happens on many levels. What we look for (often unconsciously so) in others to determine if we're interested in paying closer attention to them comes in so many flavors ... some superficial, some at levels I have no clue about.Quote:
Posted by Jake
You're totally within your rights, and properly respecting your own choices and what you tune into, when you dismiss whomever, for whatever reasons.
I do the same. We all do. Some of us have been lucky enough to have lived long enough, and to have changed our own views of whom to respect, for what reasons, often enough and radically enough, that we no longer pay much attention to what choices others make, unless per chance that other person happens to be one whose judgement in such matters we've found worth paying attention to.
The stuff worth worrying about lies at other levels.
I have a piece of the puzzle,,, many folks do. YOU do! We ALL do!!! Picture a world where each and every one of us insists (although admitted liars) that THEY are the only one who knows the truth,,,, (while only 40% is actual) PICTURE IT.... Now,,, look around at the world that we have created... Is it any wonder why THE truth is a completely foreign concept??
If the status quo is to decieve, as a way to promote the truth,,, then i will have NOTHING to do with it... Nothing, not now, not EVER...
Honestly brother,,, I do not want to witness another 'Phil Schnieder' type of event, where 100% disclusure, simply got you 'dead'.
lol,,, (Jake imagines Phil Schnieder saying that [almost] half of everything he says is disinfo,, and that his life is on the line,,, yet to make my money as an entertainer,,, i must must must must, play both sides,,, AND that you must get on his team or you are aligned with the enemy!!! hahahahhahalolololol...)
There is enough truth, that nobody has to lie..... I cannot even admire him for his honesty,,, because i wonder if what he says is the 40% or the 60&...
I do not think less of anyone who considers Duffs info... That was never my intent...
I DO have clear opinions regarding Gordon Duff,,, and I will take them up with him if ever given the chance. Those of you who know me,, know that i do not fear to engage...
I can see that if i keep it up,, it will be a distraction.. With that,, i will bid this conversation fare well....
Love you, brother....
Jake.
Maybe you do not have good enough information where you would even have to worry about such things?
What if most people are 60% MISinformation (or whatever). You always have to sift material. Personally,
I do not believe that Duff tells "40% lies." I know what he said. I think much of it is "read between the lines"
type stuff. I also think he withholds a lot. I also think he may be fed lies sometimes. Generally, I think it is
his goal to tell as much truth as possible while still staying safe. Maybe if you had to worry about such things
you'd begin to "imagine" a world where you write a few fibs, allowing you to (fairly safely) divulge much truth.
I think Gordon Duff is legit and on the up and up. I think his "attacking Alex Jones" has been way overstated. In fact, there seems to have been a lot more effort in this thread to discredit Duff than Duff ever makes against others. I am wary of those who go to such great lengths. VT publishes a lot of important articles that point fingers many others do not, Jones historically included.
My idea on 'chasing truths', is to get my own ass in the thick of it so i can encounter such things myself, and make my own decisions.
Too much reading the newspaper can make for a very uninformed person who relies on opinions, instead of essential knowing and experience.
Kinda like debating sports and not all that much more effective.
IMO, until one is covered with scars from directly facing and being involved in these realities -- nothing will change.
You can't expect other folks to do all the heavy lifting, that's not the point of life.
No free rides, no safe bets.
The thread was framed by directly asking people what they make of Gordon Duff. I don't think that there has been an "effort to discredit" Duff as much as effort to discern whether his dire warnings can be believed. Duff absolutely throws a number of other investigators under the bus, and that is a dissonant note that does not resonate with many of us.Quote:
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Posted by Nineyou can not fix stupid....Quote:
Posted by swoods_blue
Nine
Couched in my humor are several rather serious points. Can you find any of them?
I thought a lot about my reply to the original post, and made a deliberate choice as to how I would respond.
I get your point - and I prefer to see it as his "style" which grates on some.Quote:
Posted by swoods_blueThe thread was framed by directly asking people what they make of Gordon Duff. I don't think that there has been an "effort to discredit" Duff as much as effort to discern whether his dire warnings can be believed. Duff absolutely throws a number of other investigators under the bus, and that is a dissonant note that does not resonate with many of us.Quote:
Posted by jake gittes
But his "project" is moving forward, and in this latest Podcast from 6/6/2014 he talks as if he KNOWS something, that is coming:
"The US has been split into 10 military districts,
with police units under the (possible) power of "a foreign entity", not congress.
They were mostly trained in Israel, or by Israelis, but the Israelis are not in charge,
they were merely hired to do the job."
MH: Who is in control?
GD: You don't want to ask that... I will not answer it.
It sounds as if the Old cabal plans a desperate false flag, possibly of a nuclear sort, to try to hold onto power.
Herein Duff may be speaking to what he thinks is a large enough group inside the Military, and inside the Govt.,
which may have the power to Turn the Tables, and beat the cabal, before or after the FF Event.
"9/11 was staged," he says right towards the end...
. . .
"We are down to the last 15 minutes...
"We need to stop these idiots...
I don't really have any clear idea of what he is talking about.
But if I had to take a wild guess, I think he believes there is an international group,
will to cooperate to take on the Old Cabal... and he may or may not be part of it.
wow fascinating. Thanks. I will be listening to this tonight. Cheers.Quote:
Posted by GuyFoxI get your point - and I prefer to see it as his "style" which grates on some.Quote:
Posted by swoods_blueThe thread was framed by directly asking people what they make of Gordon Duff. I don't think that there has been an "effort to discredit" Duff as much as effort to discern whether his dire warnings can be believed. Duff absolutely throws a number of other investigators under the bus, and that is a dissonant note that does not resonate with many of us.Quote:
Posted by jake gittes
But his "project" is moving forward, and in this latest Podcast from 6/6/2014 he talks as if he KNOWS something, that is coming:
"The US has been split into 10 military districts,
with police units under the (possible) power of "a foreign entity", not congress.
They were mostly trained in Israel, or by Israelis, but the Israelis are not in charge,
they were merely hired to do the job."
MH: Who is in control?
GD: You don't want to ask that... I will not answer it.
It sounds as if the Old cabal plans a desperate false flag, possibly of a nuclear sort, to try to hold onto power.
Herein Duff may be speaking to what he thinks is a large enough group inside the Military, and inside the Govt.,
which may have the power to Turn the Tables, and beat the cabal, before or after the FF Event.
"9/11 was staged," he says right towards the end...
. . .
"We are down to the last 15 minutes...
"We need to stop these idiots...
I don't really have any clear idea of what he is talking about.
But if I had to take a wild guess, I think he believes there is an international group,
will to cooperate to take on the Old Cabal... and he may or may not be part of it.
"wow fascinating. Thanks. I will be listening to this tonight. Cheers."
If you have little time, listen to the last 2-3 minutes
Excellent interview. Thanks for posting.Quote:
Posted by David Ansiblewow fascinating. Thanks. I will be listening to this tonight. Cheers.Quote:
Posted by GuyFoxI get your point - and I prefer to see it as his "style" which grates on some.Quote:
Posted by swoods_blueThe thread was framed by directly asking people what they make of Gordon Duff. I don't think that there has been an "effort to discredit" Duff as much as effort to discern whether his dire warnings can be believed. Duff absolutely throws a number of other investigators under the bus, and that is a dissonant note that does not resonate with many of us.Quote:
Posted by jake gittes
But his "project" is moving forward, and in this latest Podcast from 6/6/2014 he talks as if he KNOWS something, that is coming:
"The US has been split into 10 military districts,
with police units under the (possible) power of "a foreign entity", not congress.
They were mostly trained in Israel, or by Israelis, but the Israelis are not in charge,
they were merely hired to do the job."
MH: Who is in control?
GD: You don't want to ask that... I will not answer it.
It sounds as if the Old cabal plans a desperate false flag, possibly of a nuclear sort, to try to hold onto power.
Herein Duff may be speaking to what he thinks is a large enough group inside the Military, and inside the Govt.,
which may have the power to Turn the Tables, and beat the cabal, before or after the FF Event.
"9/11 was staged," he says right towards the end...
. . .
"We are down to the last 15 minutes...
"We need to stop these idiots...
I don't really have any clear idea of what he is talking about.
But if I had to take a wild guess, I think he believes there is an international group,
will to cooperate to take on the Old Cabal... and he may or may not be part of it.
Here's another: MH interviewing Preston James
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-cont...uthors/jim.jpg
The Short End of the Stick with Mike Harris 2014 06 05
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+ Israel's threatened Samson Options
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Hello all. Guys, I'm really not trying to pick a fight. I consider folks here some of the smartest on the planet. Please help me to understand what this is all about...
By now, folks involved in this discussion are aware of the vid of Duff admitting to planting tactical disinformation at VT,, up to 40%!!!! When i brought this info to the table,, i was NOT met with intelligent discourse, instead i was met with insults and attacks. The most intelligent comments were that i should let it go, and that this is simply about 'poetic license' and that i should better inform myself, or learn to 'read between the lines'... Folks simply defended Duff, at all costs,,, never really questioning anything... Well, I have found some better information regarding this story. Feel free to attack and/or insult me.. I am just reporting the facts.
Mike Harris of VT has undergone an extensive effort to keep this vid under wraps. It seems that Not only does Gordon Duff NOT stand by his words,,, but he is, now, saying that it was all a complete fabrication,,, a state of the art cut&splice job by none other than MOSSAD!!??!!!???!!!??!!!
Even though we all heard the interview, and heard him say what he said,,, he is now denying it outright!! Some of you defended what he said!!!! Well, now he is saying that you are wrong to defend him, because he never said it in the first place...
Consider the following article: (not written by me,,, I am quoting a different writer)
Full Story can be found here...Quote:
Coverup Begins as YouTube Pulls the Offending Video
On November 9, 2012 (or possibly the day prior), Mike Harris, a Veterans Today staff writer and host of the Republic Broadcasting Network’s (RBN) Short End of the Stick, filed a copyright claim on the video “Gordon Duff of Veterans Today Admits To Writing 40% False Information,” and it was subsequently pulled from YouTube. As one Internet commenter noted, it’s the coverup that always gives them away, and the fact that the video was indeed pulled is a sure sign of guilt.
One slightly different version with of the original video with Duff’s claim featuring additional commentary can still be found on YouTube.
Under The Radar Media was previously unaware of Mike Harris and his radio program, and it appears that Harris stopped broadcasting his program on RBN shortly after October 12, 2012. According to several RBN subscribers, the October 12 broadcast of Short End of the Stick, as well as other broadcasts are no longer available at the archives of RBN.
Although it appears that Harris has not written anything for Veterans Today since May 2012, he is still listed as one of its staff writers. Harris has appeared on the Rense Radio Show, in November 2012, where Rense informed his audiences that Harris would be hosting his show on the Rense Radio Network.
Whitewash Continues With Kevin Barrett Dutifully at the Helm
The same day that the video was pulled, Duff appeared at beginning of hour 2 of Kevin Barrett’s of Truth Jihad, which broadcasts on American Freedom Radio (archived here, mp3 here). Barrett states that he invited Duff to appear because his scheduled guest was a no-show. The topic of focus was to be the resignation of then CIA director David Petraeus, although a considerable amount of time was spent discussing the “controversy” surrounding the video. Both Barrett and Duff were jovial as they attempted to make light of the issue.
Duff alleges that audio portions of video had been cut from the original broadcast and that his words had been spliced together (time stamp 4m34s). Duff admitted that he had neither seen the video nor had he gone back to review the audio from the broadcast, but that Mike Harris told him that the audio was overdubbed and that “it wasn’t real.” Once again, feel free to refer to the time stamp 70m35s from the mp3 of the October 12, 2012 broadcast of Short End of the Stick to confirm that Duff’s claim is indeed, word for word as presented here.
The fact that Mike Harris had filed a copyright claim to have the video removed was not addressed.
Even more curious was Duff’s claim that the video”was initially received by” famed Holocaust® revisionist Dr. Fredrick Toben, formerly of the Adelaide Institute. Because of Toben’s trouble with various Jewish lobby groups over Holocaust® denial, Duff was presumably trying to and establish guilt by association in order to weaken the credibility of the video. Duff presented no evidence which suggests that Toben either received or distributed the video to other parties.
At one point, Barrett appeared to (rather gingerly) press Duff on whether he made the 40% claim or not, but eventually dropped the issue and went along with Duff’s story that the audio wasn’t real. Barrett warned his listeners not believe everything they read on the Internet, and later seemed to suggest that the Mossad was behind the video (time stamp 43m54s).
You can find the links to the audio/interviews/etc.. at the link provided above.
Honest question here,,, Why is Gordon Duff covering this up??? Why did he say it in the first place?? Mossad??? Really???
This is your chance to win me over!!! If he didn't say it at all, then i have to eat mee words, no?
Looking forward to somebody unraveling this thing...
Jake.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=yTwwB...layer_embedded
Jake
- The Video seems to have been removed - have you a link to another copy?
Are you concerned about Duff having said:
"40% of what I say is misinformation" ?
That gets a big yawn from me - since we have already talked about the reasons he might have said that.
Let me ask you something:
If someone says: "Everything I say is a Lie."
Are they Lying or telling the truth?
Herein, Kevin Barratt covers some of the same territory, as Stew Webb did:
http://noliesradio.org/archives/84041
Gordon Duff: Russians have blown 9/11 wide open! _ on Kevin Barrett’s Truth Jihad Radio
This show was broadcast on June 14, 2014.
Guest: Gordon Duff, Senior Editor, Veterans Today.
Gordon has posted evidence pointing toward nuclear demolition of the Twin Towers. He says the Russian government has recently published documents supporting that interpretation, including copies of a classified 2003 Energy Department (DOE) report on the nuclear events at Ground Zero. The backstory: Gordon says Israel has 20 nuclear weapons planted in major US cities, and 9/11 was a “demonstration” used to blackmail the US into fighting Israel’s wars in the Middle East.
“The primary purpose of the nuclear weapon used on 9/11 was to produce a massive Gama ray / neutron flux that would vaporize about 150 to 300 feet of 6 inch thick steel I beams that constituted the central core of the WTC buildings. This created a free fall event as seen on TV that day.”
Dearest David,Quote:
Posted by David AnsibleI agree with you that GD is a good man. Strangely, some people seem to want to deify him. Not my style ... at all. So many are just aching to have some leader to follow.Quote:
Posted by Nine
I don't think that anyone can lead us out of this mess in America since its to far gone with corruption but with that said maybe the answer is for folks to maybe disengage from the system any way that they can.
The best case for America is for the Military to take over and history shows that the people never benefit from that sort of thing yet I see that as a possible end game with all of this "stuff" upon the internet.
However, we must consider what Gordon posted from what the Russians released concerning 9/11.
I believe this to be the truth of the matter concerning that event.
We must also consider that some massive false flag opperation may come upon us and lets hope that this is part of Gordon's 40%.....
Nine
Guyfox,
At the 24 minute mark on Gordon's talk with Mike Harris is a discussion of free energy and Tesla technology and how folks simply can not imagine the power available in the universe.
Gordon mentioned that this technology is already in use and that the suppression is worse than the middle ages and the Church when it comes to physics and the laws of science and its all suppressed....
This is the stuff of Avalon's dear Wade Fraiser and I highly recommend a read of his writings....
Nine
I am prepared to believe what Duff says about Free Energy.Quote:
Posted by Nine
But that DOES NOT mean that the QEG is not a sham/or a scam.
Because even if FE does exist (in Cold Fusion, or whatever), there are still far too many Free Energy scams being promoted now.
Duff may be right about Tony Blair - who is acting like a cornered rat
Boris Johnson denounces Tony Blair as 'unhinged' on Iraq
The mayor of London has issued a strong condemnation of the former prime minister's views on the Middle East
Tony Blair's "unhinged" attempt to rewrite history is undermining arguments for western intervention in Iraq, the London mayor Boris Johnson has claimed in an extraordinary personal attack on the former prime minister.
Blair took to the media over the weekend to make the case for a tough response to the extremist insurgency in Iraq, insisting it was caused by a failure to deal with the Syria crisis rather than the 2003 US-led invasion.
His intervention was met with widespread criticism from Labour figures and others as extremists posted pictures apparently showing the killing of dozens of Iraqi soldiers by jihadist fighters.
In his condemnation of Blair the London Mayor accused the ex-Labour leader of having sent British forces into the bloody conflict in part to gain personal "grandeur".
==
> http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ged-tony-blair
Kinda my point,,, you just can't believe anything they say... The vid does not work because Mike Harris (of VT) has filed a copyright claim with youtube,, it is the same vid that orijinally showed Duff Saying what he said. Now he (Duff) is saying that Mossad spliced the audio together, and that the audio is fake!!Quote:
Posted by GuyFox
I will stop demanding an answer... Some folks will follow others blindly, and some folks will think for themselves,, no worries mate... It really is none of my business who folks follow.
I think that i have demonstrated that!!!
If you click the link to the article that i quoted, you will find the interviews with Duff saying that the audio is fake. I included the vid that was removed from youtube, to show that, indeed, this vid has been removed... ie,,, Gordon Duff is denying ever saying it, and VT is in the middle of a cover-up via Mike Harris and others.
I would say, quit listening to Limbaugh or Gordon Duff... And that problem may reverse itself... :)Quote:
Let me ask you something:
If someone says: "Everything I say is a Lie."
Are they Lying or telling the truth?
With only 40% lies,,, I can still prop myself up,, even though folks are finding consistent lies within my rantings...
100& 60 % 40%,,,,, either way,, I don't listen to known, ADMITTED liars. (misinformation,, not trying to insult)
With Gordon Duff trying to deny what he said, (even though we all heard it) and suggest that Mossad is cutting and pasting audio together to discredit him,, I will simply roll my eyes and shake my head,, and move on with my life...
cheers to all..
Jake.
PS to guyfox and nine. I am NOT trying to insult you,, maybe poke a bit at Duff. Please understand, again, i do not go around bashing Duff. (Maybe Limbaugh) :) Cheers to both of you. :)
I will check my notes -
I think I heard Duff say something months ago about reporting some misinformation.
I know someone close to Harris, and I have exchanged some emails with him in the past, so I may be able to ask him.
But I will not try that before checking my own notes.
I think this 40% thing is incredibly tiny next to the enormity of the Crimes that VT has been writing about, supported it seems, by intentional leaks from Russian intelligence concerning nuclear weapons, the Israelis, and 9/11.
I am more than a little surprised you are bothering with it. But, hey, that's your business, I suppose