WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

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Posted by viking

I would love to have ‘Mashika’s’ take on all of this current news ..

Viking

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I agree! Would be quite interesting. But Mashika hasn't been around for a while, has she. I hope she's ok!

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Posted by PlasmaVortex

Jewish pedophille Putin mentions blackmail attempt...

https://news.sky.com/story/any-black...llion-12910112

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Hi PlasmaVortex,
you state two things as factual yet I've never seen evidence of this. That Putin is a) jewish and b) a pedophile. I like most of your posts but I think you should be careful about statements like these - because how can you be so sure? Do you have (irrefutable) proof? Or at least some type of inciriminating material? I remember you mentioned earlier that Jewish intelligence has pedophile material on Putin but you didn't provide a link/source for that.

I am open to the idea that he might be jewish as well as a pedophile but it doesn't really sound right to me. I mean I know that a lot of the elite including politicians - especially in the west - have been pretty much exposed as pedophiles. (And a lot of them are Jews too.) Even though there isn't often hard evidence either we have at least witness reports from victims. (Which of course could still be untrue or inaccurate but the sheer volume of different accounts/witnesses tells us there's something to it. And of course, there's Epstein.) But I've never seen any witness reports regarding Putin being a pedophile, let alone videos or pictures. Have you?

I am aware of the footage of him kissing a boy on the tummy in public. That doesn't constitute proof however. And having an affair or relationship with a young but full aged female gymnast doesn't either. :bigsmile: That's just understandable. ;)
Sure, there was the Russian refugee Alexander Litvinenko who got poisoned in Britain who claimed that Putin is a pedophile - but again, where's the proof? From what I've seen he never produced any evidence either. His wikipedia article only links to the following but I don't see any proof in there either: https://web.archive.org/web/20081211...07/05/01.shtml
It could be just slander and defamation which we know Putin had/has to endure quite a lot (from the West). And for Litvinenko, there could be all kinds of reasons why he got whacked...

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Posted by shaberon

I personally have reached a level of disgust with westernism--it is all full of garbage, but the UK and Australia seem to be even worse, they cannot publish a title that does not have some buzzword like "Terrorizing", "Dictator", "Backwards", or what have you, while most American stuff is a bit less "sensational", while remaining completely "exceptional" and "supremacist".

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Hello shaberon.:)
A lot of the German MSM articles are unbearable too. Just the headlines alone...so most often I don't bother reading any further. Heck, I try to avoid even the headlines now. But it really makes me wonder - do they actually believe these things themselves or do they try to perform a type of magic - you know, manifesting what they wish for by reporting on it as if its already reality (Russia's defeat). They've been doing it in regards to desired political results too - stating like its fact this or that candidate or party will lose. Fortunately it doesn't always seem to work that way. :D

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one including a cartoon of a "planeload of Nazis" going over who had to bribe their way to be able to ask permission to do business there, which would probably be held by 51% Chinese ghost investors. As you probably know, BASF headquarters is already there. The report was emphatic that Deutsche Bank would *not* be allowed to do speculative private banking, and they have rented out a skyscraper for twelve years in order to...eh...assist with three or four minor "consultant" roles.

Everyone on that plane was pre-Reich old silver, absolutely nothing new...and then we see in Germany that the bakery from 1688 would probably have to close because they can't afford the energy to keep baking...so, yes, I would suggest that a few of the editorialists posted on Southfront are worth the time. I believe they usually do the new articles on Monday.

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I'm afraid you kinda lost me there. From what I can tell the original BASF headquarter is still in Ludwigshafen, Germany. The east asian regional HQ is located in Hongkong however. Is that the one you're referring to?

Also, what do you mean with "bakery"? Are you still talking about BASF?

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Posted by Vicus

German tank factory to open in Ukraine 10 Jul, 2023

Moscow has already warned it will target the facility with cruise missiles

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Why hasn't Moscow targeted The Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine yet?

Or the Verkhovna Rada?

Or sent devastating missiles down the chimney of wherever Zelenskyy is working or sleeping?

Or.... etc. Ad nauseum.

Because both national puppets and their minions are controlled by the same Overlords.

It's another staged war on the global stage.

But, hey, Moscow will send devastating missiles down the chimney of a tank factory in Ukraine.... just because.

Oh dear. :facepalm:

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I second this. Both are Jewish and are slaughtering the goys of both sides. The reconstruction will be the usual suspects. As Christopher story said Russia is controlled opposition to the new world order you should find his book on pdf if interested.
The new underworld order Christopher story.

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1) As best I know, Putin is not a Jew. I looked around to see if I could find any references, but failed. His Wiki page (which may or may not be accurate) states:

Under Putin, the Hasidic Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia became increasingly influential within the Jewish community, partly due to the influence of Federation-supporting businessmen mediated through their alliances with Putin, notably Lev Leviev and Roman Abramovich.
According to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, Putin is popular amongst the Russian Jewish community, who see him as a force for stability. Russia's chief rabbi, Berel Lazar, said Putin "paid great attention to the needs of our community and related to us with a deep respect".
In 2016, Ronald S. Lauder, the president of the World Jewish Congress, also praised Putin for making Russia "a country where Jews are welcome".

So he's very supportive of Jews in Russia. But that doesn't mean he's a Jew.

2) The Russians really are slaughtering the Ukrainian troops (though not civilians), but not really vice versa. Estimates vary, but most agree that Ukrainian:Russian losses are something like 7:1 since the start of the SMO and maybe as much 17:1 in the last month. Ukraine has almost no military personnel left of its own.

On the other hand, since 2014 Ukraine has deliberately targeted and killed over 14,000 civilians in Donbass (maybe 15,000-16,000 by now), with equal proportions of men, women, children, and elderly people.

The west says nothing. You have a continuing war crime of immense proportions right there, visible every day for anyone who cares to look and see.

In short: you can't compare Zelensky and Putin unless you're drawing attention to how diametrically different they are in absolutely every human respect you can think of.

3) I don't believe Putin is an agent of the NWO. I'm not going to be convinced of that by anything anytime soon, and I've spent the last year and a half looking into this in immense depth literally every day. Look at the history. Look at today's geopolitics. Look at everything that Putin has written or said on record (many dozens of hours of clear, detailed statements with official on-record transcripts). Look at how desperately the US neocons want to cling on to their hegemony.

The US neocons are the psychopaths in this picture. Putin knows this and is standing against them. I'm certain of that.

And Zelensky is just a cocaine-addict puppet, a cartoon figure with no morals, conscience or observable soul who is systematically destroying his own country. That suits Russia just fine. :) Russian Spetsnaz could have assassinated him within a week of the start of the SMO, but they're happy to have have a clown as their opponent in this game. (Imagine if the commander-in-chief of Ukraine was someone moral, rational, humane, consultative, and intelligent.)

The west is now fast tiring of Zelensky, while the Chinese, Indians and Africans can't abide him. He's not going to last long; but neither (I suspect) is the war.

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Posted by Hermoor

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Posted by Vicus

German tank factory to open in Ukraine 10 Jul, 2023

Moscow has already warned it will target the facility with cruise missiles

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Why hasn't Moscow targeted The Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine yet?

Or the Verkhovna Rada?

Or sent devastating missiles down the chimney of wherever Zelenskyy is working or sleeping?

Or.... etc. Ad nauseum.

Because both national puppets and their minions are controlled by the same Overlords.

It's another staged war on the global stage.

But, hey, Moscow will send devastating missiles down the chimney of a tank factory in Ukraine.... just because.

Oh dear. :facepalm:

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I second this. Both are Jewish and are slaughtering the goys of both sides. The reconstruction will be the usual suspects. As Christopher story said Russia is controlled opposition to the new world order you should find his book on pdf if interested.
The new underworld order Christopher story.

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1) As best I know, Putin is not a Jew. I looked around to see if I could find any references, but failed. His Wiki page (which may or may not be accurate) states:

Under Putin, the Hasidic Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia became increasingly influential within the Jewish community, partly due to the influence of Federation-supporting businessmen mediated through their alliances with Putin, notably Lev Leviev and Roman Abramovich.
According to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, Putin is popular amongst the Russian Jewish community, who see him as a force for stability. Russia's chief rabbi, Berel Lazar, said Putin "paid great attention to the needs of our community and related to us with a deep respect".
In 2016, Ronald S. Lauder, the president of the World Jewish Congress, also praised Putin for making Russia "a country where Jews are welcome".

So he's very supportive of Jews in Russia. But that doesn't mean he's a Jew.

2) The Russians really are slaughtering the Ukrainian troops (though not civilians), but not really vice versa. Estimates vary, but most agree that Ukrainian:Russian losses are something like 7:1 since the start of the SMO and maybe as much 17:1 in the last month. Ukraine has almost no military personnel left of its own.

On the other hand, Ukraine has deliberately targeted and killed over 14,000 (maybe 15,000-16,000 my now) civilians, with equal proportions of men, women, children, and elderly people, in Donbass since 2014. The west says nothing. You have a continuing war crime of immense proportions right there, visible every day for anyone who cares to look and see.

In short: you can't compare Zelensky and Putin unless you're drawing attention to how diametrically different they are in absolutely every human respect you can think of.

3) I don't believe Putin is an agent of the NWO. I'm not going to be convinced of that by anything anytime soon, and I've spent the last year and a half looking into this in immense depth literally every day. Look at the history. Look at today's geopolitics. Look at everything that Putin has written or said on record (many dozens of hours of clear, detailed statements with official on-record transcripts). Look at how desperately the US neocons want to cling on to their hegemony.

The US neocons are the psychopaths in this picture. Putin knows this and is standing against them. I'm certain of that.

And Zelensky is just a cocaine-addict puppet, a cartoon figure with no morals, conscience or observable soul who is systematically destroying his own country. That suits Russia just fine. :) Russian Spetsnaz could have assassinated him within a week of the start of the SMO, but they're happy to have have a clown as their opponent in this game. (Imagine if the commander-in-chief of Ukraine was someone moral, rational, humane, consultative, and intelligent.)

The west is now fast tiring of Zelensky, while the Chinese, Indians and Africans can't abide him. He's not going to last long; but neither (I suspect) is the war.

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Putin has a Jewish birth certificate and was raised by Jewish step parents. I can send you this, also he is very close with chabad lubavitch which is only possible for a number of reasons. Soviet Russia never died bill, it slipped into mufty and moved to Israel.

How can Putin not be controlled opposition when he's carrying out Soviet long range strategy to a t as outlined by top defector anatomy golitsyn. Which I have mentioned before. Why would the international bankers leave it to chance to have a landmass as big as Russia not under their control? Considering the 1917 revolution I see no reason to assume anything has changed. Russia is completely controlled opposition based on the fact that without wallstreet Russia wouldn't even have the absolute basic parts for vehicle manufacture as explained by Anthony Sutton. If it was genuine why haven't they deployed scalar weaponry on Ukraine? How come the invasion occured straight after COVID in magical tandem with the shock doctrine used by the west. And yes most of the neocons are Jewish disciples of leo Strauss who have intermarried with other Jewish disciples.

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Posted by Bill Ryan

I felt I needed to educate myself about this. I thought others might appreciate the info.

They're little bomblets, that scatter in all directions randomly to explode all at once like grenades. Militarily speaking, they're an efficient way of killing (say) a whole group of 100 troops with just one shell.

But that's not the issue. Some of them don't explode there and then, maybe because they don't impact anything solid that triggers the explosive. So to handle that, after the attack is over, a radio signal is sent to the UNexploded bomblets to THEN explode them on command. That's supposed to clear the remaining danger, so that (e.g.) the troops that fired the cluster munition can now advance safely.

So when someone like Admiral John Kirby is talking about 'duds' and 'the dud rate', he's referring to the unexploded bomblets which (a) fail to detonate on impact, and (b) fail to detonate from the radio signal.

So they just sit there, unexploded. The explosive is still active. But no-one knows where they are.

The reason they're banned by many countries is that even quite a while later when a war is over, they can explode if (e.g.) a civilian drives over them in a car (they're not powerful enough to damage a tank), or a farmer's tractor hits one, or some children start playing ball with one. (They're small and round.)

So a 'dud' simply means that it's silently lying in wait for a civilian to find it and be killed or injured much later. If there were no 'duds' at all (i.e. they 100% all exploded, or were exploded, during an offensive), then they'd be a perfectly legal weapon, as terrible as they are. (The Russian TOS-1 flamethrower system is even more terrible, but nothing remains that can possibly harm anyone after its use in an attack.)

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If the Ukraine will use these Russia may reciprocrate:

DEFENSE MINISTER SHOIGU RECALLED RUSSIA HAS CLUSTER MUNITIONS THAT ARE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN AMERICAN ONES

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In response to Washington’s decision to supply the Ukrainian military with dangerous cluster munition, Russian Defense Minister Army General Sergei Shoigu recalled that Russian forces also have similar weapons and they will be forced to use them against the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU). Shoigu noted that similar Russian shells are more effective than those made by the US, but the Russian military refrained from using them because of the threat to civilians.

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Posted by PlasmaVortex

Putin has a Jewish birth certificate and was raised by Jewish step parents. I can send you this, also he is very close with chabad lubavitch which is only possible for a number of reasons. Soviet Russia never died bill, it slipped into mufty and moved to Israel.

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From the Jewish website Jewish Unpacked:

• https://jewishunpacked.com/putin-is-...-of-ukraine-is

Putin is not Jewish but the president of Ukraine is

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Posted by PlasmaVortex

How can Putin not be controlled opposition when he's carrying out Soviet long range strategy to a t as outlined by top defector anatomy golitsyn. Which I have mentioned before. Why would the international bankers leave it to chance to have a landmass as big as Russia not under their control? Considering the 1917 revolution I see no reason to assume anything has changed. Russia is completely controlled opposition based on the fact that without wallstreet Russia wouldn't even have the absolute basic parts for vehicle manufacture as explained by Anthony Sutton. If it was genuine why haven't they deployed scalar weaponry on Ukraine? How come the invasion occured straight after COVID in magical tandem with the shock doctrine used by the west. And yes most of the neocons are Jewish disciples of leo Strauss who have intermarried with other Jewish disciples.

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I'll only reply to part of this diatribe. :)

Why haven't they deployed scalar weaponry on Ukraine?

Russia could turn Ukraine into a Texas-size sheet of glass if they wanted to (and something like this may yet happen), but their goals in Feb 2023 were not to destroy the country, or its people. Just to neutralize it militarily, and to de-Nazify it.

There were two problems to solve:

1. NATO.
2. Ukraine's continuing genocide of civilians in Donbass.

That's why Putin has never referred to this as a 'war'. It's a Special Military Operation, limited in its goals and scope. (But if the US/NATO wants a full-scake war, which some factions seem to, then Russia is ready. The west would be destroyed within a day.)

Analysts who know what they're talking about have grown tired of trying to explain, over and over and over again, why Russia never went in in hard, and 18 months later still hasn't.

They are specifically not targeting civilians or civilian infrastructure, and only began to target Ukraine's power facilities to induce them to use up all their air defense resources, a project which is 95+% complete. (You'll notice that now all Russia's missiles are targeting ammunition dumps and other military facilities.)

How come the invasion occurred straight after COVID?

It depends what 'straight after' means. The Feb 2022 timing of the SMO was because Ukraine was massing troops to invade Donbass once and for all. If Russia had left it a couple weeks later, they might have lost their advantage. Prior to that, Putin had been trying to address the west about all this as late as December 2021. If you'd been following all this closely, you'd know all this.

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Posted by viking

I would love to have Mashika’s take on all of this current news.

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I agree! Would be quite interesting.

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It'd be more than interesting. :) Posts like those of PlasmaVortex would have exasperated her so much we'd all be treated to a popcorn-feast of Mashika mercilessly taking him apart line by line in long, witty and scathing posts, leaving almost nothing left.

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None of us know what we are talking about because none of us have enough truthful, verified facts and confirmed, reliable information upon which to form viable opinions—much less to take action—and to make any definitive statements with real confidence about anything of significance to Mankind and Mother Earth. That’s a fact.

Add: My point is that we are left with beliefs, which could be right, wrong, or somewhere in between. Very rarely is there a “knowing”. And when there is, those in the know are usually not in a position to do anything about it, except on a personal and sometimes familial level.

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Posted by Hermoor

Because both national puppets and their minions are controlled by the same Overlords.

It's another staged war on the global stage.

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That does not seem to be a valid conclusion.

You don't just automatically assassinate a head of state or other forms of leadership, unless maybe they were Hussein or Qadafi, because it was the U. S. in action.

Or, if the Overlord can be identified and the method of control explained, we might take that into consideration.

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Indeed. Why bother with killing Zelensky when he's the "best" leader Putin can hope for? ;) Putin/Russia from the very beginning of this conflict seemed to take pages out of Sun Tzu's "The Art Of War". In this instance, perhaps: "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake". And Zelensky is one big mistake. :ROFL:
(This approach would apply to other "competent" leaders in the Ukraina apparatus too)

I think they also go a lot by "“Appear weak when you are strong" - fooling the entire West.

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Posted by PlasmaVortex

Putin has a Jewish birth certificate and was raised by Jewish step parents. I can send you this, also he is very close with chabad lubavitch which is only possible for a number of reasons. Soviet Russia never died bill, it slipped into mufty and moved to Israel.

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From the Jewish website Jewish Unpacked:

• https://jewishunpacked.com/putin-is-...-of-ukraine-is

Putin is not Jewish but the president of Ukraine is

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Posted by PlasmaVortex

How can Putin not be controlled opposition when he's carrying out Soviet long range strategy to a t as outlined by top defector anatomy golitsyn. Which I have mentioned before. Why would the international bankers leave it to chance to have a landmass as big as Russia not under their control? Considering the 1917 revolution I see no reason to assume anything has changed. Russia is completely controlled opposition based on the fact that without wallstreet Russia wouldn't even have the absolute basic parts for vehicle manufacture as explained by Anthony Sutton. If it was genuine why haven't they deployed scalar weaponry on Ukraine? How come the invasion occured straight after COVID in magical tandem with the shock doctrine used by the west. And yes most of the neocons are Jewish disciples of leo Strauss who have intermarried with other Jewish disciples.

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I'll only reply to part of this diatribe. :)

Why haven't they deployed scalar weaponry on Ukraine?

Russia could turn Ukraine into a Texas-size sheet of glass if they wanted to (and something like this may yet happen), but their goals in Feb 2023 were not to destroy the country, or its people. Just to neutralize it militarily, and to de-Nazify it.

There were two problems to solve:

1. NATO.
2. Ukraine's continuing genocide of civilians in Donbass.

That's why Putin has never referred to this as a 'war'. It's a Special Military Operation, limited in its goals and scope. (But if the US/NATO wants a full-scake war, which some factions seem to, then Russia is ready. The west would be destroyed within a day.)

Analysts who know what they're talking about have grown tired of trying to explain, over and over and over again, why Russia never went in in hard, and 18 months later still hasn't.

They are specifically not targeting civilians or civilian infrastructure, and only began to target Ukraine's power facilities to induce them to use up all their air defense resources, a project which is 95+% complete. (You'll notice that now all Russia's missiles are targeting ammunition dumps and other military facilities.)

How come the invasion occurred straight after COVID?

It depends what 'straight after' means. The Feb 2022 timing of the SMO was because Ukraine was massing troops to invade Donbass once and for all. If Russia had left it a couple weeks later, they might have lost their advantage. Prior to that, Putin had been trying to address the west about all this as late as December 2021. If you'd been following all this closely, you'd know all this.

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Posted by viking

I would love to have Mashika’s take on all of this current news.

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I agree! Would be quite interesting.

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It'd be more than interesting. :) Posts like those of PlasmaVortex would have exasperated her so much we'd all be treated to a popcorn-feast of Mashika mercilessly taking him apart line by line in long, witty and scathing posts, leaving almost nothing left.

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I think you’re arrogance is slowly morphing into patronising delusion, diatribe? Coming from the man who created the monster of Kerry Cassidy that’s ironic. I have nothing but an endless stream of sources, therefore you’re attempt to put me down has failed like you’re mental health in your behaviour. You’re appeal to ridicule says a lot about you as a man bill. You can make your fancy posts with all the bells and whistles but it still adds to to complete nonsense and pathetic sophistry on behalf of Russian agitprop technocracy. I think you are ignoring the elephant in the room and/or deliberately ignoring what I’ve said in favour of ridicule. So when Chanda Lubavitcher brag out creating the kgb that’s diatribe?

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Posted by PlasmaVortex

Putin has a Jewish birth certificate and was raised by Jewish step parents. I can send you this, also he is very close with chabad lubavitch which is only possible for a number of reasons. Soviet Russia never died bill, it slipped into mufty and moved to Israel.

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From the Jewish website Jewish Unpacked:

• https://jewishunpacked.com/putin-is-...-of-ukraine-is

Putin is not Jewish but the president of Ukraine is

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Posted by PlasmaVortex

How can Putin not be controlled opposition when he's carrying out Soviet long range strategy to a t as outlined by top defector anatomy golitsyn. Which I have mentioned before. Why would the international bankers leave it to chance to have a landmass as big as Russia not under their control? Considering the 1917 revolution I see no reason to assume anything has changed. Russia is completely controlled opposition based on the fact that without wallstreet Russia wouldn't even have the absolute basic parts for vehicle manufacture as explained by Anthony Sutton. If it was genuine why haven't they deployed scalar weaponry on Ukraine? How come the invasion occured straight after COVID in magical tandem with the shock doctrine used by the west. And yes most of the neocons are Jewish disciples of leo Strauss who have intermarried with other Jewish disciples.

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I'll only reply to part of this diatribe. :)

Why haven't they deployed scalar weaponry on Ukraine?

Russia could turn Ukraine into a Texas-size sheet of glass if they wanted to (and something like this may yet happen), but their goals in Feb 2023 were not to destroy the country, or its people. Just to neutralize it militarily, and to de-Nazify it.

There were two problems to solve:

1. NATO.
2. Ukraine's continuing genocide of civilians in Donbass.

That's why Putin has never referred to this as a 'war'. It's a Special Military Operation, limited in its goals and scope. (But if the US/NATO wants a full-scake war, which some factions seem to, then Russia is ready. The west would be destroyed within a day.)

Analysts who know what they're talking about have grown tired of trying to explain, over and over and over again, why Russia never went in in hard, and 18 months later still hasn't.

They are specifically not targeting civilians or civilian infrastructure, and only began to target Ukraine's power facilities to induce them to use up all their air defense resources, a project which is 95+% complete. (You'll notice that now all Russia's missiles are targeting ammunition dumps and other military facilities.)

How come the invasion occurred straight after COVID?

It depends what 'straight after' means. The Feb 2022 timing of the SMO was because Ukraine was massing troops to invade Donbass once and for all. If Russia had left it a couple weeks later, they might have lost their advantage. Prior to that, Putin had been trying to address the west about all this as late as December 2021. If you'd been following all this closely, you'd know all this.

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Posted by viking

I would love to have Mashika’s take on all of this current news.

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I agree! Would be quite interesting.

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It'd be more than interesting. :) Posts like those of PlasmaVortex would have exasperated her so much we'd all be treated to a popcorn-feast of Mashika mercilessly taking him apart line by line in long, witty and scathing posts, leaving almost nothing left.

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I think you’re arrogance is slowly morphing into patronising delusion, diatribe? Coming from the man who created the monster of Kerry Cassidy that’s ironic. I have nothing but an endless stream of sources, therefore you’re attempt to put me down has failed like you’re mental health in your behaviour. You’re appeal to ridicule says a lot about you as a man bill. You can make your fancy posts with all the bells and whistles but it still adds to to complete nonsense.

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You are a total asshole.

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Posted by PlasmaVortex

Putin has a Jewish birth certificate and was raised by Jewish step parents. I can send you this, also he is very close with chabad lubavitch which is only possible for a number of reasons. Soviet Russia never died bill, it slipped into mufty and moved to Israel.

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From the Jewish website Jewish Unpacked:

• https://jewishunpacked.com/putin-is-...-of-ukraine-is

Putin is not Jewish but the president of Ukraine is

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Posted by PlasmaVortex

How can Putin not be controlled opposition when he's carrying out Soviet long range strategy to a t as outlined by top defector anatomy golitsyn. Which I have mentioned before. Why would the international bankers leave it to chance to have a landmass as big as Russia not under their control? Considering the 1917 revolution I see no reason to assume anything has changed. Russia is completely controlled opposition based on the fact that without wallstreet Russia wouldn't even have the absolute basic parts for vehicle manufacture as explained by Anthony Sutton. If it was genuine why haven't they deployed scalar weaponry on Ukraine? How come the invasion occured straight after COVID in magical tandem with the shock doctrine used by the west. And yes most of the neocons are Jewish disciples of leo Strauss who have intermarried with other Jewish disciples.

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I'll only reply to part of this diatribe. :)

Why haven't they deployed scalar weaponry on Ukraine?

Russia could turn Ukraine into a Texas-size sheet of glass if they wanted to (and something like this may yet happen), but their goals in Feb 2023 were not to destroy the country, or its people. Just to neutralize it militarily, and to de-Nazify it.

There were two problems to solve:

1. NATO.
2. Ukraine's continuing genocide of civilians in Donbass.

That's why Putin has never referred to this as a 'war'. It's a Special Military Operation, limited in its goals and scope. (But if the US/NATO wants a full-scake war, which some factions seem to, then Russia is ready. The west would be destroyed within a day.)

Analysts who know what they're talking about have grown tired of trying to explain, over and over and over again, why Russia never went in in hard, and 18 months later still hasn't.

They are specifically not targeting civilians or civilian infrastructure, and only began to target Ukraine's power facilities to induce them to use up all their air defense resources, a project which is 95+% complete. (You'll notice that now all Russia's missiles are targeting ammunition dumps and other military facilities.)

How come the invasion occurred straight after COVID?

It depends what 'straight after' means. The Feb 2022 timing of the SMO was because Ukraine was massing troops to invade Donbass once and for all. If Russia had left it a couple weeks later, they might have lost their advantage. Prior to that, Putin had been trying to address the west about all this as late as December 2021. If you'd been following all this closely, you'd know all this.

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Posted by SoulValor

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Posted by viking

I would love to have Mashika’s take on all of this current news.

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I agree! Would be quite interesting.

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It'd be more than interesting. :) Posts like those of PlasmaVortex would have exasperated her so much we'd all be treated to a popcorn-feast of Mashika mercilessly taking him apart line by line in long, witty and scathing posts, leaving almost nothing left.

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I think you’re arrogance is slowly morphing into patronising delusion, diatribe? Coming from the man who created the monster of Kerry Cassidy that’s ironic. I have nothing but an endless stream of sources, therefore you’re attempt to put me down has failed like you’re mental health in your behaviour. You’re appeal to ridicule says a lot about you as a man bill. You can make your fancy posts with all the bells and whistles but it still adds to to complete nonsense.

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You are a total asshole.

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I am the biggest asshole

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Posted by Ravenlocke

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In a live interview with Al Jazeera television, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova told the TV channel the reason for the NATO alliance refusing Ukraine entry into NATO is not because NATO would be drawn into war with Russia.

She stated NATO is already at war with Russia, and the true reason for the denial is that allowing Ukraine into NATO would require official recognition of Ukraine's borders.

This is unacceptable to the alliance because there is an intention to annex western Ukraine into Poland at the conclusion of the war.

https://t.me/dpr_mfa/3321

https://twitter.com/dana916/status/1678857711499313152

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I kind of doubt that that's the reason. But pretty clever of her...

There could also be a desire by Hungary to get (back) the very southwestern part of Ukraine (populated mostly by Hungarians). Not that NATO would support that but they may have no more say anyway once this whole thing's over...

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Posted by PlasmaVortex

I think you’re arrogance is slowly morphing into patronising delusion, diatribe? Coming from the man who created the monster of Kerry Cassidy that’s ironic. I have nothing but an endless stream of sources, therefore you’re attempt to put me down has failed like you’re mental health in your behaviour. You’re appeal to ridicule says a lot about you as a man bill. You can make your fancy posts with all the bells and whistles but it still adds to to complete nonsense and pathetic sophistry on behalf of Russian agitprop technocracy. I think you are ignoring the elephant in the room and/or deliberately ignoring what I’ve said in favour of ridicule. So when Chanda Lubavitcher brag out creating the kgb that’s diatribe?

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I apologize... I looked up the exact definition of diatribe, and I had misused the word:

A bitter and abusive speech or piece of writing.

That doesn't describe what you wrote earlier. But it perfectly describes your reply quoted above. :)

You have emotional issues, anger issues, and self-expression issues. None of that is your fault, but you don't manage that well in conversation or dialog with others. You're not good at making friends with people or diffusing issues with humor. And you seem to have a compulsion to be provocative, making extreme statements (whether they're correct or not), as if you're desperate to be heard and believed by at least someone out there.

You've done this four times now on the forum in just a few weeks, if I've counted that right, each time apologizing later. It's starting to look like a pattern that is likely to repeat. That's a problem.

I'm aware I've exacerbated this to some degree here, but if you make extreme statements, claiming them to be fact, you're likely to get pushback, as has happened in the last few hours on this thread from others as well as myself.

Is this what you want to happen every time?
Are others' responses to you part of the repeating pattern?
Has this happened elsewhere?

There may be another thing to learn, as well, which is about how to present information in such a way to be most likely to be considered by others. I totally confess that while I have all the skills to do that, my patience in the last 6-9 months has been slowly growing thin, and I myself am growing gradually more angry at the world.

So I too make definitive statements sometimes (all beliefs, of course, as Satori wisely points out, though I'm pretty certain of most of them) — but I also try my utmost to be kind.

I'm now going to close down for the evening and watch the new Indiana Jones movie. I'm told it's dreadful... but I'm not going to take that on belief until I check it out for myself.

:)

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Posted by SoulValor

I'm afraid you kinda lost me there. From what I can tell the original BASF headquarter is still in Ludwigshafen, Germany. The east asian regional HQ is located in Hongkong however. Is that the one you're referring to?

Also, what do you mean with "bakery"? Are you still talking about BASF?

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Oh dear, I figured it out.

Here is a post in this thread with the guy I was drawing from, Thorsten Pattberg. I see the problem. He was a contributor on The Saker site.

When The Saker shut down due to the inconveniences of being Russian, the universe as I know it ceased to exist.

Fortunately, it was archived, but without graphics. So we lost the cartoon of guys who were on that plane.

The archive contains Pattberg's articles in text. Most of them are about Asia, but, what he has to say about Germany is, to put it bluntly, blunt.



The way I put it is not literally true, but is the trend of transfer that they require Chinese business because Europe is not profitable:



Oct 27, 2022 — BASF seeks 'permanent' cost cuts at European operations

Feb 27, 2023 -- With 700 positions to be axed, Ludwigshafen will be hit hard by the employment cutbacks.

Jun 28, 2023 — Today, BASF is inaugurating the expansion of its Innovation Campus Shanghai



Over there, they probably are majority-owned by Chinese--whereas Chinese Volkswagen is *completely* owned by Chinese.


The post on Lambertz Bakery is much shorter and was just at the point where "increased demand" is not good enough to cover "rising energy costs", so, I don't know what happened to it--just an example of where you stand if you are not Rheinmetal.

A picture paints...

Rothschilds in Russia https://fitzinfo.net/rothschilds-in-russia/?amp

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-mos...ttacks-chabad/

controlled opposition data. https://fitzinfo.net/2018/03/10/putin-dossier/amp/
Putin fires top official who described Chabad as a cult

https://www.timesofisrael.com/putin-...remacist-cult/

https://www.israelhayom.com/2019/07/...e-an-emissary/

How putins man made his way to the top of European Jewry

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2016-...f-fbac3f240000


If you can’t study this data synoptically and come to non politically correct conclusions then it’s time to reorient your paradigmatic template for future discourse.please bear in mind this is the tip of the iceberg with regards to ‘alternative facts’. Don’t look at me look in the mirror. I only attack those that attack me. I struggle to communicate my ideas which are backed up by years of research and scientific based study, yes my punctuation and type face is atrocious, but I felt offended and this is the last time I allow you or anyone else on here to use pedantic language combined with appeals to ridicule. You've been had by the Rothschild scripted melodrama that's not my fault and I deliberately threw in the scalar weapons to see if you'd predictably attack me and you did. This is not acceptable respect is a two way street.

P s pulling people into the Hegelian dialectic of east vs west is starting in error therefore anything after this premise is immediately questionable. Zelensky is a Jewish actor, created by a Jewish gangster, for a quasi Jewish state created by the Jewish wall street crowd who on average know five years in advance (documented by Pentagon strategists) what is coming down the pike, so their Intel is second to none. This is a hill I am prepared to die on, win loose or draw. Despite your assertions of diatribe which are inflammatory I am prepared to forgo this incident.

Indeed, even western media is beginning to turn on Zelensky. Usually Sky News is a staunch promoter of 'Ukraine is winning the war'. But the following video is about mercenaries leaving Ukraine because they don't have a chance on the battlefield. And did I hear this young Irish man correctly, did he say that he realized he didn't know why he was fighting there?
Foreign fighters leave Ukraine due to witnessing atrocities

https://youtube.com/watch?v=bbNUZS7rdco

MUST SEE this report: How a Zelensky presidency was put in place by USA & UK intelligence. Zelensky has apparently been taking directives from UK’s MI6. Etc.

A Scott Ritter Investigation: Agent Zelensky - Part 1
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HLeBb6hPUC8

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Posted by Hamish

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Posted by Tintin

WOW, this is some footage :muscle:

Russian pilot ejects over Ukraine, and his helmet cam catches the whole thing:



Mod note from Tintin: just trying to verify the source - it might not be quite what is claimed. Some suggestions that it is an EzDubs creation (?)or that it was a plane that caught electrical wiring in Belgorod, possibly from October 2022. I'll remove this if it proves to be a fake, with apologies if so.

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Hello,

Unsure if this helps but this was posted on Telegraph Youtube page about 8 months ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g5yvlAbrCk

and same by the sun newspaper:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfTs0rk6Vtk

Someone in the Sun comment section said:
It’s sad how many news outlets are getting this wrong, this wasn’t caused by a missile, the pilot hit a power line during a test flight and needed to eject, the radio chatter heard after the pilot hits the ground is between him and his colleague, and his colleague asking if he is okay, and the jet seen at 0:30 was also his colleague

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Many thanks Hamish :muscle: Yes, this really helps to clear things up. Something did niggle me a little about this, and you've helped to clear things up nicely here :highfive:

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Posted by Rizotto

MUST SEE this report: How a Zelensky presidency was put in place by USA & UK intelligence. Zelensky has apparently been taking directives from UK’s MI6. Etc.

A Scott Ritter Investigation: Agent Zelensky - Part 1
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HLeBb6hPUC8

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:muscle: YES, an absolute must. I had time to watch this this morning before getting into work too. Much of the subject matter covered is very familiar to us, but some of it not so, and it has a kind of made for TV quality to it, which means it's quite slick but succinct too.

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Posted by SoulValor

Hi PlasmaVortex,
you state two things as factual yet I've never seen evidence of this. That Putin is a) "jewish" and b) a "pedophile" ... I like most of your posts, but I think you should be careful about statements like these - because how can you be so sure? Do you have (irrefutable) proof? Or at least some type of incriminating material? I remember you mentioned earlier that Jewish intelligence has pedophile material on Putin but you didn't provide a link/source for that.

I am open to the idea that he might be Jewish as well as a pedophile, but it doesn't really sound right to me. I mean, I know that a lot of the elite including politicians - especially in the west - have been pretty much exposed as pedophiles. (And a lot of them are Jews too.) Even though there isn't often hard evidence either, we have at least witness reports from victims. (Which of course could still be untrue or inaccurate, but the sheer volume of different accounts/witnesses tells us there's something to it. And of course, there's Epstein.) But I've never seen any witness reports regarding Putin being a pedophile, let alone videos or pictures. Have you?

I am aware of the footage of him kissing a boy on the tummy in public. That doesn't constitute proof, however. And having an affair or relationship with a young but full aged female gymnast doesn't either. :bigsmile: That's just understandable. ;)
Sure, there was the Russian refugee Alexander Litvinenko who got poisoned in Britain who claimed that Putin is a pedophile - but again, where's the proof? From what I've seen he never produced any evidence either.

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It seems a growing trend that more and more "conspiracy researchers" share >>> accusatory claims <<< without adding the necessary source links, so that we can study WHY (they are) he or she is "so sure" of things!

• I wonder how we should deal with this growing trend respectfully, as part of me is totally fed up with that!

For the record: I have nothing against "accusatory claims" as long as they are 100% truthful, and I am almost always open-minded enough to consider the possibility ... So it is not me who tries to dismiss it by default, I just postpone any judgment before the accuser can back up the claims with irrefutable evidence that can be triple checked & verified!

• If the accuser refuses to do so, then I realize I wasted my time on reading their claims ... Which is happening more and more last few months ... I wonder why that is.
• I also like to believe that Project Avalon Forum stands out inhaving higher standards in how we deal with (highly) controversial issues/topics ... And in this context me using the word: "believe" is correct ;)

In general terms: if you chose to (and/or):

• Suggest
• Insinuate
• Judge
• Imply
• Assume
• Challenge
• Point to
• Indicate
• Defy
• Frame
• Label
• Brand
• Summon
• Charge
• Incriminate
• Hold some one accountable
• Point the finger at
• Blame
• Allege
• Attribute
• Bring charges
• Attack verbally (direct or indirectly)
• Accuse Foul Play or Someone being Compromised

To anyone that is highly respected ... you know you also have to "face the music":

... and show to us that you care, by responding to all valid legit points that are made that contradict your assumptions.

If not ... and your mind is already made up ... (because your "gut feeling" supersede anything else?) ... what is the point of all this?

• and in my view, the above insights applies to all of us.

cheers,
John Kuhles 🦜🦋🌳