Thanks for the posts sms. They are important.
Houman
Thanks for the posts sms. They are important.
Houman
You are welcome! I personally regard the latest interview with Maarit, conducted by Eve Lorgen, as a real Revelation. This is certainly a breakthrough in the battle for liberation of human beings!Quote:
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And, what a change from the disinfo we were bombed by 24/7, from various sources!?
Cheers!
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The above is what perplexes (buggs) me about the described "soul," "mind" and "spirit."
They end up being another contraption (read golem in the making) "visualized" out by the intent of the sole and only experiencer/observer.
Comparing this to Truman's:
... or, from Steve Richards:Quote:
"Well, I guess the reason why it seems so strange is almost because I'm watching it happen instead of being part of it, you know. I feel like I'm standing there watching, I don't know, almost like I'm not in my body or something. I'm trying to really look at what's going on. I see my car now, a white Comet. And the door is open on it, and I'm seeing it from a distance or from... it's almost like I'm watching somebody else or something because I see these beings, and they're taking me out of the car, but I'm not there. I'm standing away from them. And their hands reach out and they put one hand under my upper left arm and help me out of the car, you know. And my body is like I'm just kinda like this trance sort of thing, you know. Just sort of like, you know, just very non-resistance. You know, I'm just not resisting at all or anything. It's just like, well, take me, you know. It's just weird. And I think that I'm not in my body at this point. I'm standing outside, and I'm looking at this, you know, going “ohhhhh.” But I see them moving me. And their heads are turned away from where I am--not me in my body--but “I” really am standing away from them. I'm standing kind of right, well, parallel to them, but from a little bit of a distance. Kind of standing away, looking, trying to figure out what's happening. And I can see them with my body and they're walking. The spaceship is kind of behind me and to the left. I'm trying not to make this confusing because I say “me,” and then there's my body. It's not the same thing. Okay. So “me,” you know, where “I'm” standing, the spaceship is a little behind me and to the left only I'm not even looking at that. I'm just looking at these beings, and the one on the right side of my body, his head is kind of down, and the one on the left side has his head turned towards my body, and so away from “me.”
[...]
You know, just walking along. My body's walking along. (Laughs) It's kinda funny. (Laughs) I mean in the sense that they think they've got me, but they don't. (Laughs) 'Cause that's not where I'm at. Surprise! A little alien humor there. (Laughs) And anyway, I'm approaching... you know what? I just realized that they just took my body inside of the ship, only I wasn't in it. I wasn't in the ship at all. I was standing outside of it. (Laughs) I wonder what happened. (Laughs) This is weird. This hasn't happened before, I don't think. (Laughs) I'd like to have seen the look on their faces: “Huh? Where is she?” And I suddenly realized that that's what happened. That's what happened. They took my body into the ship, and I was like, I don't know, maybe I was just so shocked by the whole thing that I just, you know, just went right out of my body. I just stood at a safe distance. Sounds kind of strange, but that's what happened. Well, anyway, that's what they're doing. And I'm standing in front of their ship looking at it, you know, “me” as a being. I'm standing there looking at the ship, and they have walked around so that I've come around, and there they have my body, and they're, you know, like conferring or doing something, trying to get my body onto the ship while I'm around on the other side looking at the ship! This is great! This is great! (Laughs) I love this!
An interesting aside regarding Truman's account, is that "they" are usually pretty quick at detecting/locating immaterial intruders/observers if one lends credence to Ingo Swann's visit to the other side of the Moon as recounted in his book "Penetration."Quote:
All of a sudden he was in control and didn’t like that responsibility, then he commented, “I liked them there, they were my friends. I want them back!" (Remember they made him feel important).
This would indicate that the "observer" in Truman's account didn't even have an energetic field but nonetheless doing some looking/observing.
I found the spirit / soul / mind dynamic good for the purposes of exploration. I see the soul as the container of "essences" an individual spirit being carries through to other experiences (which can be other lifetimes). By considering this possibility, I saw how, if someone "believes" in this component - the soul, they are at the very least, the co-creator of the very vehicle by which greys and other beings are able to capture a spirit being.Quote:
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Posted by sms
The above is what perplexes (buggs) me about the described "soul," "mind" and "spirit."
They end up being another contraption (read golem in the making) "visualized" out by the intent of the sole and only experiencer/observer.
Comparing this to Truman's:
... or, from Steve Richards:Quote:
"Well, I guess the reason why it seems so strange is almost because I'm watching it happen instead of being part of it, you know. I feel like I'm standing there watching, I don't know, almost like I'm not in my body or something. I'm trying to really look at what's going on. I see my car now, a white Comet. And the door is open on it, and I'm seeing it from a distance or from... it's almost like I'm watching somebody else or something because I see these beings, and they're taking me out of the car, but I'm not there. I'm standing away from them. And their hands reach out and they put one hand under my upper left arm and help me out of the car, you know. And my body is like I'm just kinda like this trance sort of thing, you know. Just sort of like, you know, just very non-resistance. You know, I'm just not resisting at all or anything. It's just like, well, take me, you know. It's just weird. And I think that I'm not in my body at this point. I'm standing outside, and I'm looking at this, you know, going “ohhhhh.” But I see them moving me. And their heads are turned away from where I am--not me in my body--but “I” really am standing away from them. I'm standing kind of right, well, parallel to them, but from a little bit of a distance. Kind of standing away, looking, trying to figure out what's happening. And I can see them with my body and they're walking. The spaceship is kind of behind me and to the left. I'm trying not to make this confusing because I say “me,” and then there's my body. It's not the same thing. Okay. So “me,” you know, where “I'm” standing, the spaceship is a little behind me and to the left only I'm not even looking at that. I'm just looking at these beings, and the one on the right side of my body, his head is kind of down, and the one on the left side has his head turned towards my body, and so away from “me.”
[...]
You know, just walking along. My body's walking along. (Laughs) It's kinda funny. (Laughs) I mean in the sense that they think they've got me, but they don't. (Laughs) 'Cause that's not where I'm at. Surprise! A little alien humor there. (Laughs) And anyway, I'm approaching... you know what? I just realized that they just took my body inside of the ship, only I wasn't in it. I wasn't in the ship at all. I was standing outside of it. (Laughs) I wonder what happened. (Laughs) This is weird. This hasn't happened before, I don't think. (Laughs) I'd like to have seen the look on their faces: “Huh? Where is she?” And I suddenly realized that that's what happened. That's what happened. They took my body into the ship, and I was like, I don't know, maybe I was just so shocked by the whole thing that I just, you know, just went right out of my body. I just stood at a safe distance. Sounds kind of strange, but that's what happened. Well, anyway, that's what they're doing. And I'm standing in front of their ship looking at it, you know, “me” as a being. I'm standing there looking at the ship, and they have walked around so that I've come around, and there they have my body, and they're, you know, like conferring or doing something, trying to get my body onto the ship while I'm around on the other side looking at the ship! This is great! This is great! (Laughs) I love this!
An interesting aside regarding Truman's account, is that "they" are usually pretty quick at detecting/locating immaterial intruders/observers if one lends credence to Ingo Swann's visit to the other side of the Moon as recounted in his book "Penetration."Quote:
All of a sudden he was in control and didn’t like that responsibility, then he commented, “I liked them there, they were my friends. I want them back!" (Remember they made him feel important).
This would indicate that the "observer" in Truman's account didn't even have an energetic field but nonetheless doing some looking/observing.
Whereas if one transcends the soul (no longer creates it, and I can explain how I undid mine if asked), then one is a spirit being and is more able to freely chose their experiences as opposed to being captured.
So by examining the dynamic, I was able to see no requirement of a soul and thus have been able to escape further capture. Fortunately, I have been able to hang onto moral and ethical lessons and hope to retain them through the remainder of my eternal experiences.
justoneman
Tigressa,Quote:
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Thank you for your post. I know your heart is in the right place and your intent is to help. But I do have questions in regards to some of the things you say.
I agree with your understanding with what the soul and the spirit are for I basically feel the same way.
And it is utterly conceivable that the Gods are too great to be influenced by Reptilians. And I fully believe that some of the Gods may have had good intent. But other Gods demanded human sacrifices and did much harm to vulnerable humans. So clearly, not all Gods are good. And if they tell you that they are all good, would it be unthinkable to you that these Gods might be capable of lying?
Religions have damaged our planet to an almost irreparable extend. If ETs did not create religions, then who, in the understanding of your Higher Self, created religions?
Fear versus love is something I also understand. I am a loving person. I have spent my life trying to help others. Yet all the love in my heart has not prevented me from feeling fear, and if you'd been through what I've been through, you would know why I still have fear, although it is lessening.
I understand you are not a victim. But many of us are. I hate to refer to myself as a victim because it's such a disempowering word. But I have been victimized by ETs and all the love in me has not prevented that. Sometimes I wonder whether it was my willingness to be loving that made me vulnerable to them. This is not to say that I will stop being loving for that is my nature. But love has not protected me.
If you feel inclined to address some of my questions and issues I would appreciate it, and I think others following this thread might appreciate it as well.
Love always,
Daughter of Time
SMS,
Thank you for your posts. I related to so much of what I read.
Several pages back I recounted something which happened to me when I was 2 weeks old. That incident remained a mystery for my mother, my grandmother, and of course, for me. But I'm quite certain now that it was an alien abduction. I almost died. But I now realize that their intent was not to kill me, but to continue the implanting which has occurred from life to life.
One of my pivotal past lives in Egypt, which ended traumatically with the loss of physical and mental faculties, was fully associated with Hathor and the Temple of Hathor. So the information on Hathor spoke to me on a very deep level.
And there are many other things that spoke to me very loudly but I won't get into those right now.
Dear Daughter of Time - in the interests of keeping this thread on it's original topic feel free to PM me if you get the vibe others aren't so interested.Quote:
Posted by Daughter of Time
Firstly I don't believe that things are black & white. Some of the views on this thread are extreme imo. I have met pedophiles and mercenaries who were actually lovely most of the time. Indeed I have counted them among my friends at some times.
In sessions I have experienced seeing through the eyes of others as they were massacring others and yet in this life they were really sweet people.
So as far as wanting to lump all the baddies in one basket of evil I don't feel this an option, it is just more complex.
My own experiences with Satan I have mentioned earlier. I do believe he serves the Source of all Love and does a job few could want.
The gods and goddesses are beings with massive energy. However a god or goddess like any entity close to this dimensional reality does enjoy the intoxicating effect of the energy that is released with the blood of humans. I am not sure why but it seems to release some kind of energy akin to a drug. Humans are actually capable of grounding and releasing huge forces if they can align themselves correctly.
I have had the experience of perceiving gods and goddesses operating under the system of karma as do we. The scale is different, the ability to incarnate in other dimensions in vast number simultaneously is different to us. The lessons are more or less the same so far as I understand it.
So no, not all gods and goddesses are 'good' all of the time. Have you been good all the time, in every situation in every life? What is good? Unless you have a very complete understanding of the ramifications of every action throughout every time thread you won't be privy to understanding either. I wonder if the question is more about what balances what?
There may be positive results that are gained through suffering. At what point the lessons and the learning begin and plain cruelty end are interesting. I see this world as a hologram with lessons that have to be learned repeatedly, bit of a Ground Hog Day situation - but with real consequences.
One example I am acquainted with is of a woman who in a past life in Assyria was a king. As this king watched his people begin to be cut down in what would be a inevitable massacre of every man and the rape of every woman and child he loved, he invited Beelzebub in. He promised allegiance with him if he would save his people. Beelzebub has been with this person in every incarnation since. How much love was in the action of this King? How much grief.
Do you not have compassion for him? Beelzebub came when he was asked, he cannot come without your agreement, did he not serve a purpose as requested?
You may begin to see that we individually give permission to beings coming to be with us. A child alone cries out in fear for 'someone' to come help, a person in pain screams 'help me, anything please' and there it is.
The gods have no right to interfere in our personal agreements with other entities. Sometimes the things you blame the gods for may have been the fault of another entity that was your responsibility for including in the scenario, the powerful have limitations too - this is a free will zone. So where does the responsibility lie? At the feet of the gods, the entities or the people themselves? It is a mixed scenario.
As for lies, in no time-no space there are beings that can distort light and frequency - your own projections can be toyed with to an extent. You may perceive a being as shiny and nice, but in the end they are directly unhelpful to your real purpose.
But 'intent' cannot be masked for long in that domain. It has no resonance or meaning which is why words have the power they do in that space. The frequency 'fails' after a point.
So no, I would suggest that no being can keep a lie going in the face of simple, clear questioning - but more importantly - while emanating calm and loving strength.
Many wonderful beings have written about love and I will not be writing anything new when I tell you that the greatest gift you have is your ability to love unconditionally.
Unconditional Love is absolutely repulsive as a frequency to beings that would harm you. But you have to mean it and you have to calm your fear.
This is what Jesus meant when he said, 'Turn the other cheek'. He was not suggesting people let themselves be beaten up in the interests of peace at any cost. He meant 'put on your armour'.
Fear on the other hand is directly feeding those negative energies. Empathy taken to extremes can result in inviting in beings that you don't want about too.
I am sorry to hear you are questioning whether your lovingness is causing your situation, I know how painful this kind of doubt can be.
Once you are in this state it is very hard to see how to get out of it. Once you believe you are a victim and powerless you send out powerful waves of energy inviting that you be victimised. This is a very painful topic and I don't mean to make you feel less than you truly are, nor anyone else here either. The fact is you are incredibly powerful.
This world is probably a hologram and the fact is something else is going on than what we perceive. I don't have all the answers, but I do know that my body has strong feelings of comfort and joy in courage and that doubt/fear etc is antithetical to it's well-being. Some of you may feel I am naive and credulous but I can assure you that my position has been hard won.
As for Religion, well it is a natural to construct a way to help our children understand our world. It usually gets coopted by people and entities craving power and control very quickly. All organisations attract this kind of attention. Organisations themselves have their own entities - everything is 'alive' afterall.
There has been a lot of fuss on Avalon due to entities - some that have agreements with people and thereby interact with other Users (funny term now I think of it!). Psychic attack is commonplace.
As Master Choa Kok Sui says, "Focus on Evil & Evil will focus on you". It's impersonal and by us talking here on this topic we are inviting lots of interest!!
Daughter of Time and all others seeking truth, I do wish you Love. It is the great coagulent of this Universe. Pink sticky glue!
May you be surrounded by its sweetness always. Love, love, love always.
Tigressa.
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Hello, All:
I just now viewed this important thread:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...rogation-Video
Seeing that video again (of the claimed Area 51 'Alien Interrogation') prompted a number of thoughts.
1) In the late '80s and throughout the '90s, there were a number of researchers of heroic status who really blew the lid wide open on ufology. This was long before Kerry and I came along. Our success rested on their shoulders, and to quite some degree all we were doing was consolidating and further publicizing work that had already been started. As Bob Dean famously said, this is the greatest story in human history.
2) Since then, the alternative media has been inundated with nonsense, false predictions, pseudo-spiritual delusion, and distractions and diversions which have been lapped up by way too many people. C.f: Elenin, Ashayana Deane, Planet X 'caught' again and again on cellphone cameras, 11-11-11, SaLuSa, the Galactic Federation of Light, Tolec, Blossom Goodchild.... the list goes on, and on, and on. Whatever happened to real research?
3) How easy it is to live in a fantasy land (like taking Aldous Huxley's population-relaxing drug 'Soma' in his classic work Brave New World). And how challenging it is to work hard, exercise critical thinking, and carefully study and examine hard evidence gathered by very courageous people who have put their lives at risk to inform us -- no matter how unpalatable this material may be.
4) Much of what we've witnessed and experienced in recent years is the triumphant collective psy-op of well-paid and brilliant backstage minds who have been tasked to divert otherwise intelligent and aware people from realizing what is really going on.
Bill, could you please list a few of these heroic researchers from the 80's and 90's? i'm curious. thanks.
I am certain some of my posts can be disturbing to others - especially a post that suggest "transcendence of the soul" like a post I made yesterday, but I am simply sharing the mental masterbations I have been exploring, which in part assist me in placing the thought out there into the "mind field" and allow the opportunity for feedback. Sometimes I post and there is zero feedback. Sometimes I post and there is zero thanks. All of these are communications to some extent.
Anyways, I woke up this morning... jammed down my first few cups of coffee and the spirit/soul/mind/body mechanism started firing off in good form.
It immediately came to me that my current research which is primarily prompted by Truman Cash's view there is no difference between spirit and soul... that he views them as two different terms for the same thing. I cannot nor will not attempt to speak for Truman, but I found his view fascinating. Because his Eye of Ra book had such massive impact upon my recent contemplations, I view Truman's comments in regards to spirit/soul with great regard.
So in review of my considerations just yesterday, I awoke to completely new thoughts. First, I had an image of Neo in the matrix when he awoke to find himself hooked up to the matrix machine. My internal voice said... "Yes... this is the "chakra system" that Neo has been hooked to."
I then realized that I may have been confusing the soul for this artificial system. Within a few moments of further contemplation, I reached the point where I am at now, that I had the correct idea with regards to needing to free myself of the artificial system, but I was incorrect in seeing the soul as this container.
So Bammo - new thoughts came rushing in and I will list them now. My answers in parenthesis.
If you "transcend" as you say, Chester, your soul... is there the risk you could become psychopathic? (Anything is possible)
If so, is that something you would want to explore? (Not in the least)
So now where does this leave the soul? (It appears the soul is he sum of our experiences from which we utilize along with the mind regarding each and every intention and action and if you break it down to body metaphors, the soul is the Heart/Mind and the "head mind" is the realm of the egoic mind... the "thinking mind." It seems we cannot exist within a body without some degree of both involved to some extent, but that if one allows their Heart/Mind to be "the decider" (as George W. Bush coined), then the odds your actions will produce results in alignment with your intentions, which, in your case Chester, are based in "service to all" which you have wisely included yourself within the all).
So now, I am happy to have returned back to my soul after a day of "transcendence" as I prefer to avoid the risk I could become psychopathic even though retaining my soul may put me at risk of having my soul captured (again) by other spirit beings and/or their artificial creations.
My primary motivation in this regard is because I do not care that I may not "know" any of my sons, my wife and my step daughter, my Father (who killed himself or was suicided exactly 33 years 2 days ago), my Mom, many other unnamed relatives and all my friends whom I love... past this lifetime, nor be able to recognize them in future lifetimes (if I have any), I just prefer to be in position to enter into any realm fate leads me retaining my soul experience because even if they capture me and erase my "memories," if I have a strong spirit as I believe I do, then no matter what they try and do to my soul, I will awaken and pull through my true soul at some point (like I have done in this life).
So to summarize, I have decided to retain my soul and in fact have placed the steering wheel of my life firmly within the grasp of my soul.
Those who saw me going back and forth regarding Drake may have noticed how I finally anchored myself into a particular and specific view.
I have the feeling I am close to doing that now with regards to the spirit/soul/mind/body dynamic.
I will keep those interested posted.
justonere-ensouledman
Here's a very incomplete list (in alphabetical order).Quote:
Posted by Chinaski
* denotes that the researcher died under suspicious circumstances. Please see http://projectcamelot.org/tribute.html for more details.
Art Bell
Bill Birnes
Ron Bonds *
Walter Bowart
Mae Brussell *
Danny Casolaro *
Bill Cooper *
Bob Dean
'Branton' (real name Bruce Alan Walton)
Tony Dodd *
Timothy Good
John Hadley *
Richard Hall *
Bill Hamilton
Norio Hayakawa
Michael Hesemann
Bill Holden
Budd Hopkins
Linda Howe
David Icke
David Jacobs
Jim Keith *
George Knapp
John Lear
Roger Leir
Ted Loman
John Mack *
Jim Marrs
Jordan Maxwell
Jaime Maussan
Bill Moore
Sean David Morton
Ron Rummel *
Phil Schneider *
Derrel Sims
Wendelle Stevens
Whitley Strieber
Karla Turner *
Val Valerian (real name Capt. John Grace)
Jacques Vallee
Gary Webb *
Too many asterisks :(
Also can be added to this list - Robert Hastings and Stanton Friedman.
So many researchers have carved the way for this knowledge to come out, Project Camelot included.
And each made it a step further for the public to reveal the pieces of the puzzle, in order to complete the picture.
To swim against the flow requires a certain persistance and certain personality and true will to reach the truth. Thank goodness that they are there.
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Posted by Bill RyanHere's a very incomplete list (in alphabetical order).Quote:
Posted by Chinaski
* denotes that the researcher died under suspicious circumstances. Please see http://projectcamelot.org/tribute.html for more details.
Art Bell
Bill Birnes
Ron Bonds *
Walter Bowart
Mae Brussell *
Danny Casolaro *
Bill Cooper *
Bob Dean
'Branton' (real name Bruce Alan Walton)
Tony Dodd *
Timothy Good
John Hadley *
Richard Hall *
Bill Hamilton
Norio Hayakawa
Michael Hesemann
Bill Holden
Budd Hopkins
Linda Howe
David Icke
David Jacobs
Jim Keith *
George Knapp
John Lear
Roger Leir
Ted Loman
John Mack *
Jim Marrs
Jordan Maxwell
Jaime Maussan
Bill Moore
Sean David Morton
Ron Rummel *
Phil Schneider *
Derrel Sims
Wendelle Stevens
Whitley Strieber
Karla Turner *
Val Valerian (real name Capt. John Grace)
Jacques Vallee
Gary Webb *
thanks Bill.
i know this probably seemed like a redundant question, but i knew there would be at least 1 or 2 names i hadn't heard of, especially from the 80's, which were a little ahead of my time. in fact, there were more like 9 or 10 i hadn't heard of. it's always fun and cool for me to discover new people and new ideas, so i'm excited to start some fresh research.
for anyone who might be interested, i'd also add John Keel to this list.
Thanks for the list. Here is the shorter list of researchers whose rigorous and assiduous work has directly inspired this thread
Dr Corrado Malanga
Dorica Manu
Eve Lorgen
Dr Karla Turner
Barbara Bartholic
James Bartley
(not counting numerous abductee, milab and SRA victims willing to share their testimonies; here I find Maarit's testimony truly exceptional)
That's why people don't want to give up attachments. They give them a false sense of empowerment.
Little attachments even. "I'm a victim and all I have to do is whine and I'll get something out of it from someone"
Large honker parasitical god attachments "Same thing essentially"
Like any other normal co dependency relationship between humans a victim abuser type situation sets up and the victim feels they are getting 'something' from the relationship (if one can call it that) Prey to Predator.
When people do the work to remove attachments from them there's often a lapse time to where a higher orginating energy comes in to saturate that place, to fill the empty space left behind so to speak. It's not really empty its just not known and familar yet, and its that lapse time of being neither attached nor fully in one's origin power that leaves people feeling disjointed to where they want to go back to a sense of familiarity (being attached to a parasitical energy) even if it's not healthy for them.
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The above is what perplexes (buggs) me about the described "soul," "mind" and "spirit."
They end up being another contraption (read golem in the making) "visualized" out by the intent of the sole and only experiencer/observer.
Comparing this to Truman's:
... or, from Steve Richards:Quote:
"Well, I guess the reason why it seems so strange is almost because I'm watching it happen instead of being part of it, you know. I feel like I'm standing there watching, I don't know, almost like I'm not in my body or something. I'm trying to really look at what's going on. I see my car now, a white Comet. And the door is open on it, and I'm seeing it from a distance or from... it's almost like I'm watching somebody else or something because I see these beings, and they're taking me out of the car, but I'm not there. I'm standing away from them. And their hands reach out and they put one hand under my upper left arm and help me out of the car, you know. And my body is like I'm just kinda like this trance sort of thing, you know. Just sort of like, you know, just very non-resistance. You know, I'm just not resisting at all or anything. It's just like, well, take me, you know. It's just weird. And I think that I'm not in my body at this point. I'm standing outside, and I'm looking at this, you know, going “ohhhhh.” But I see them moving me. And their heads are turned away from where I am--not me in my body--but “I” really am standing away from them. I'm standing kind of right, well, parallel to them, but from a little bit of a distance. Kind of standing away, looking, trying to figure out what's happening. And I can see them with my body and they're walking. The spaceship is kind of behind me and to the left. I'm trying not to make this confusing because I say “me,” and then there's my body. It's not the same thing. Okay. So “me,” you know, where “I'm” standing, the spaceship is a little behind me and to the left only I'm not even looking at that. I'm just looking at these beings, and the one on the right side of my body, his head is kind of down, and the one on the left side has his head turned towards my body, and so away from “me.”
[...]
You know, just walking along. My body's walking along. (Laughs) It's kinda funny. (Laughs) I mean in the sense that they think they've got me, but they don't. (Laughs) 'Cause that's not where I'm at. Surprise! A little alien humor there. (Laughs) And anyway, I'm approaching... you know what? I just realized that they just took my body inside of the ship, only I wasn't in it. I wasn't in the ship at all. I was standing outside of it. (Laughs) I wonder what happened. (Laughs) This is weird. This hasn't happened before, I don't think. (Laughs) I'd like to have seen the look on their faces: “Huh? Where is she?” And I suddenly realized that that's what happened. That's what happened. They took my body into the ship, and I was like, I don't know, maybe I was just so shocked by the whole thing that I just, you know, just went right out of my body. I just stood at a safe distance. Sounds kind of strange, but that's what happened. Well, anyway, that's what they're doing. And I'm standing in front of their ship looking at it, you know, “me” as a being. I'm standing there looking at the ship, and they have walked around so that I've come around, and there they have my body, and they're, you know, like conferring or doing something, trying to get my body onto the ship while I'm around on the other side looking at the ship! This is great! This is great! (Laughs) I love this!
An interesting aside regarding Truman's account, is that "they" are usually pretty quick at detecting/locating immaterial intruders/observers if one lends credence to Ingo Swann's visit to the other side of the Moon as recounted in his book "Penetration."Quote:
All of a sudden he was in control and didn’t like that responsibility, then he commented, “I liked them there, they were my friends. I want them back!" (Remember they made him feel important).
This would indicate that the "observer" in Truman's account didn't even have an energetic field but nonetheless doing some looking/observing.
Thanks 9eagle9,
For a moment I thought I had written some Carmodese cryptic ciphers no one was able to disentangle... :)
The morale of that post is really simple: there is a part of oneself every one knows as "I" and doing the observation of everyting else that's going on while remaining unaffected by what's happening. That's the one that creates/observes all the other participants, including the "soul" in the SIMBAD visualization technique... and who is left unadressed by said technique.
On the other hand, in the Steve Richards' example, beside the outside empowerment factor, what is shown is that these "whatever-they-are" were GONE FOR GOOD! To the point that, that "I" wanted them back! Whereas the SIMBAD technique seems to create another phantasmagoria on top of the pre-existing ones.
Again, to draw from the long and immemorial Gypsy oral tradition:
With that observed structural make up of Man, "I" which observes everything, and can recover memories from the other two, is "spirit." The interface is what interferes/intervenes between "body" and "spirit" and corresponds to "soul" or "mind" which is made up of all these circuits/programs/entities/etc. and which is what MKultra/ETs/hypnotists of all sorts have a field day with.Quote:
“The figure 3 and its geometrical transcription – the triangle -- means “Life.” Numerous jewelries are constructed around that number. According to Tzigans, Man as a whole is constituted of a body which rots, a spirit which persists and an immaterial body as an interface between these two.”
(Pierre Derlon; Traditions Occultes des Gitans)
Not very complicated and parts and parcels of what is really going on: confusing the issue(s) for eons.
9eagle9 wrote:
"I'm a victim and all I have to do is whine and I'll get something out of it from someone"
I am surprised at these words from such a knowledgeable person.
How easy it is to judge!
How difficult it is to understand someone else's experience!
Great post and thanks for clarifying the first one which i have read several times and still was trying to sort out what you were trying to say. I notice you do this often.... you give hints but then a few dimwits like me have to prod the second response as I have had to do in a few PMs. In a way I enjoy trying so see if I can figure it out the first time, but on the other hand, i get frustrated when I can't.Quote:
Posted by Amzer Zo
I really appreciate your posts.
This one hit home (albeit after you spelled it out more directly).
My motto is to try and keep it as simple as possible. Your 2nd post has done this.
I am going to adopt this view (the Gypsy view?) and try it out. I have a good feeling about it.
Again (third time), thanks
9eagle9 hits hard sometimes. I cannot speak for her but I sense she has little patience for lots of stuff and when one considers the state of the world, I can understand her impatience. But I took her point to be that we can either wallow in our victim state or we can move on. And that by moving on, we can become whole and better for others. That's how I read her post. I perceive her intent as golden hearted.Quote:
Posted by Daughter of Time
That is everyone's experience. It's been mine. iT'S YOURS...THE WAY you so readily accepted that so personally and in such reactionary way.
For people who really, REALLY know what is being said here..... for those who really, really want to find a way out of the traps of their artificial installation they will take that authentically. Not as a judgement. Only a victim would take that as a judgement, those who have walked the path of a victim know it for what it is.
It's not 'someone else s experience' its been OUR collective experience.
This is a difference between judgement and assessment.
. It's an honest confrontation of self and those who have been there will know for what it is.
Some of us have learned to get out of it...
and some haven't.
and some , like you have learned.... to excuse it.
And there is not a person who is truly attempting to free themselves who will not know where I am coming from.
If you don't...it says more about you than it does about me.
You chose to take that remark personally. then I made it personal.
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Posted by Daughter of Time