THE MIRACLE OF L RON HUBBARD'S TECHNOLOGY the end phenomenon that occurred

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Hi Amzer...

Did some one not prove the lie detector unreliable as a general rule? and if so...and because of the way it works...some detectable change or impulse from the person... could that not also apply to this e-meter?

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Ray

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oooh hang on ...


you are refering to a general wheatstone bridge arent you ? You didnt search for the actual diagram of an actual E Meter did you ? Seeing that im apparently sitting for an exam i did some research and found THE actual diagram of the unit in question.. .not some other un related one, Amzer ...

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All right, answering to both of you.

A "lie detector," like an e-meter, addresses the changes occurring within an individual in the here and now in reaction/response to questions.

Trouble is, and for most people, the here and now contains everything from the past as well as the "automatic" future on top of the "now" (see Steve Richards). Hence a lie detector is unreliable since "reads/registers" can come from past lives, current life, automatic current future and future lives.

People operating lie detectors neglect past and future thinking that any read can only be due to current life. Also, they do not differentiate between a past reality gone unconscious and a virtual, fictitious reality consciously imagined/"mocked up"/thought about by an individual in his/her thoughts.

E-meter operators, up until jiminii, considered current life and past lives but neglected "futures" except as "intentions" in the present. However, e-meter operators do differentiate, between unconscious storage and conscious imagining of such, in determining whether a "read/register" is instant or not.

Now, the e-meter kept being modified and became a "sophisticated" Wheatstone Bridge because there are a number of ways a "read/register" can occur.

The two main ones being and addition or reduction of mass (ridge*) which modifies the overall resistance of the body (Rx) holding the "meter's" electrodes and/or an addition (feeding) or removal (sucking) of electrical energy in the Rx circuit by the "thetan" or by induction due to an electromagnetic "mass" moving around within the individual's field or, also, by electromagnetic signals from TV, radio, cell towers, cell phones, truck and cars passing by, etc...

The "sophistication" in the e-meter is mainly due to the latter with additions of filters to eliminate environmental "parasites"/interferences. These are the "frequency filters" added to the basic Wheatstone Bridge of the e-meter circuit.

The e-meter operator can only see what happens on the meter unless also "psychic" or a very keen observer able to notice subtle changes in the individual holding the meter's electrodes.

LRH being both psychic and gifted with a very keen sense of observation, realized that most "auditors" weren't or wouldn't be either and threw the idea -- for anyone to grab on -- of being able to measure what was happening to "ridges"* in an individual's field when these "ridges" blew or vanished (as-ised).

Mathieson grab the ball and ran with it and LRH being able to "see" what was happening in people's field as well as corroborate the subtle energy behaviour with physical observation of the "Rx" body holding the "cans"/electrodes was able to modify, suggest improvements and calibrate the e-meter down to what was only necessary to measure or "read" on its dial.

So, being "In Session" and therefore being "interested in one's own 'case' and willing to talk to the auditor" rather than playing with one's energy field to "see" what it would do on the meter is the optimum condition for the use of an e-meter as a tool to help locate where a "ridge"* is causing troubles in one's life.

* RIDGE,
1. it's a standing apparent motionlessness of some kind or other, an
apparent solidity, an apparent no-outflow—no-inflow, that's a ridge. Flows
have direction. Ridges have location. (5904C08)

2. a ridge is caused by two energy flows coinciding and causing an enturbulence of energy, which, on examination, is found to take on a characteristic which in energy flows is very like matter, having its particles in chaotic mixture. (Scn 8-80, p. 43)

3. a ridge is formed from two [opposite] flows and these two flows hitting will pile things up. (PDC 18)

4. a ridge is essentially suspended energy in space. it comes about by flows, dispersals or ridges impinging against one another with a sufficient solidity to cause an enduring state of energy. (Scn 8-8008, p. 18)

5 . a solid body of energy caused by various flows and dispersals which has a duration longer than the duration of flow. Any piece of matter could be considered to be a ridge in its last stage. Ridges, however, exist in suspension around a person and are the foundation upon which facsimiles are built. (Scn 8-8008, p. 49)

6 . facsimiles, or pictures, of motion. (Scn 8-80, p. 45)

7 . areas of dense waves. (Scn 8-8008, p. 78)

8 . electronic densities. (Scn Jour 6-G)

Flow 1 (intention) --------------> X <------ Flow 2 (counter-intention)
Ridge

Most of the time, the counter intention to one's intention is long gone but the created ridge is still there. When, once again, one flows out such an intention, that intention "hits" the ridge and its initial "counter intention" is reactivated and confused as being in "present time." Conversely, when a similar "counter intention" is encountered, and although the "intention" is long gone, that "counter intention" also "hits" the ridge and the initial intention "wakes up"....

Accordingly, most people are kept in the "jails" of the past... whence prejudices, antagonisms, conflicts, etc. are kept alive... many a "gut's feeling" are borne out of those "ridges"....

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It’s 2117, and Ron and Jim are sitting around the table enjoying a couple Heineken’s talking about how the Matayeya timeline is off course and how they need to go back to 1950 and shift some realities, and teach the humans how to awaken and access their powers, when Jim says…. You’re crazy man, you don’t want to go back there….the place is 70% zombies, and most of the rest of them only use 10% of half their brains….what in hell do you think you can do if you go back there?....and Ron says; We need to go back there and teach them how to access their power so that they can keep the timeline on track before the evil controllers completely sever them from their humanity and terraform the entire planet into a full blown zombie controlled state….So, Ron says, hey Jim, since you are more advanced than me, why don’t you go down there? You could straighten that sh!t out in no time, but Jim thinks it’s best if Ron goes first….So they flip a coin, and Ron loses the coin toss….So Ron throws a couple bananas into the flux capacitor, fires up the DeLorean, set’s the meter to 1950 and off he goes (or however they do this nowadays)

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wow ... what a good laugh ... you're able to say everything I wanted to teach in a much simplified version that even i can understand ...

well done ..

jim

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I've been wondering when to jump in - NOW seems the time. It seems that Jim needs a translator and gripereaper is the perfect person. What do you say guys?!?!

Also, from personal experience - and I understand everyone's perspective and consequently their reality is different, but when I first opened up after an OBE, what we call psychic phenonomena floods into our lives. It's important not to become enamored or emotionally entangled with it - many do - which often becomes a derail. It seems to me (I may be very wrong) but from your posts Jim that is where you are. IMO some grounding is necessary. Also, if I might suggest, step back emotionally. I do think you an gripereaper would be a good combination, as he appears very grounded and non-judgmental.

yes ... this is suppose to be fun ,,, the force fields have been removed ,,, anyone is free to go ,,,,
so ... I did this 67 year trek and I'm having fun ,., so much inspiration on this site ,,, but some a bit serious

I will tell you serious
my father and his friend pappy were going up to yellow stone and pappy is a greek ,, and my dad is call red dog because he has red hair
and all the way up there pappy keeps saying ... "you know dog .... we gotta feed those bears .... they're just coming out of hybernation and they are real hungry"
my dad said, "yeah pappy we get some food"
so driving into the park was a store and pappy said, "pull over dog .... we gotta feed those bears"
so pappy goes and gets a big barrel of ginger snaps
and they go into the park
and a big black bear is crossing the street with 2 cubs
pappy says, "stop the car dog ... let's feed those bears"
my dad stops the car and pappy rolls the window down and gets some ginger snaps out and says "come here bear"
there are 2 girls in the back seat and the bear comes over and stands on his hind feet and reaches in and grabs the whole barrel of ginger snaps and rolls them across the street
now the bear and pappy are nose to nose ....
and out of the corner of pappy's mouth pappy says, "ah ,,,, hey dog .. i think we better move this car .... i think this bear is serious"
that only made my dad and the girls laugh so hard he couldn't put his foot on the gas pedal ...
pappy says again out of the corner of his mouth ... "come on dog ... get moving"
finally my dad gets his food on the pedal and they go

now ,,, shouldn't be that hard should it ... if a dumb greek can go nose to nose with a beer .... we should be easily able to take on these reptilians

don't you think,

jim

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hey Jim, do we have to audit one soul at a time and bring consciousness up to speed to co-create the highest and best reality that way, or can we just load up all the elite onto our spaceships, take them to a planet where they resonate at their low frequency, release free energy, collapse the existing paradigm, and bring the awakening to all of terra now?

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wow ... what a good laugh ... you're able to say everything I wanted to teach in a much simplified version that even i can understand ... well done ....jim

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Forgot to offer you a Heineken and a chair before askin that question.

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Posted by Wantsthetruth74

For me, the scientology jargon(language) which differs from my every day communicating style, is making it difficult to know what things mean. Maybe we need someone who would be willing to translate. Maybe thats too much to ask. But I agree wholeheartedly with you Serenete.

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Well, that´s pretty much the purpose of it, if you ask me.

Complicated nomenclature and terminology are one of the most common linguistic strategies to make certain concepts look more serious and credible than they actually are.

The layman, mesmerized by all those apparently overwhelming intelligent sounding words, ends up believing that if something sounds really complex, then it should really be important and worthy of paying attention.

One of the oldest tricks in the book; Seduction by an overwhelming appearance of complexion.

You know, that kind of sensation that if you really want to get it, you really have to study it, and the more you study, the more complicated it gets...At some point in the middle of it all, they have your mind handed to them in a silver tray, then you´re already brainwashed and start seeing sense where there´s only nonsense;

Make no mistake; If you trust yourself as an educated individual, when something sounds like nonsense, it´s because it is.

Insanity, by nature, is illogical; The only way to understand it is by becoming one with it. By then, it´s too late...Madness, at first, really feels like an enlightening and liberating experience...Until you realize you don´t even know who you are anymore.



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Hi Raf,

I thanked you as I have pondered the same issues you raised. My conclusions are perhaps different from yours, so if you permit I will add my bit.

I have taken exception to the jargon and nomenclature of scientology, believe me on first encounter it made me very angry. I still feel that way without the anger, and have tried to understand the possible reasons for it. There is another side to using a new language... the use of words has in them embedded an accepted meaning, we read or hear a word and rarely question what it means. In order to express new concepts it is often quite necessary to find new words, even attempt to preserve the meaning of those words so they don't become corrupted.

Of course I can't attest to the reasons of Hubbard.

The corruption of Christianity occurred through misdirection to the meanings of words… take the word faith. Here is a Hebrew translation:

The Hebrew root aman means firm, something that is supported or secure. This word is used in Isaiah 22:23 for a nail that is fastened to a "secure" place. Derived from this root is the word emun meaning a craftsman.

Or the Greek translation:

The word "Faith" translated from the word in Ancient Greek, from which the Bible was translated from the word "pistis" - which meanings include "conviction" or "assurance". Pistis in turn is a derivation of the Ancient Greek word "peitho" which means "to wax confident".

For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.”

This quote takes on a completely different meaning for faith is commonly understood as the modern dictionary defines it:

faith |fāTH|
noun
1 complete trust or confidence in someone or something: this restores one's faith in politicians.
2 strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
• a system of religious belief: the Christian faith.
• a strongly held belief or theory: the faith that life will expand until it fills the universe.

If we understand faith to refer to our own craftsmanship and our own conviction and security (knowing oneself) then the statement makes sense, we can move mountains.

I am increasingly aware that the answer to the question of truth and who I am lays not in the complexity of my nature but the simplicity. However and this is a rather large however, I haven't found THE TRUTH, I am still hunting through my own personal hay stack. We have become very complex beings.

And in regard to madness, well yes you may say that is so. But here is my little dissertation on madness. It is madness to jump into the void, it is madness to think that one can move mountains, it is madness to confront the unconfrontable. All these things of madness are made.

What I have experienced and ironically I was thinking of you as I thought these thoughts earlier today. Once the tight grip of REALITY (matrix reality) has been released it can feel like madness. I have walked the edge of madness when my REALITY was stripped from me. I have come back, with great struggle and with some wisdom, I hope.

We are most often unprepared for Truth, which is why Truth is revealed to us progressively.

Yes to what you say to Trust your Self. There is no secure path, simply doesn't exist, we each are our own path makers, there are only guides along the way. If something doesn't make sense then certainly do not go there.

We have met before. It is in the sharing that we know ourselves again.

Christine

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yes ... this is suppose to be fun ,,, the force fields have been removed ,,, anyone is free to go ,,,,
so ... I did this 67 year trek and I'm having fun ,., so much inspiration on this site ,,, but some a bit serious

I will tell you serious
my father and his friend pappy were going up to yellow stone and pappy is a greek ,, and my dad is call red dog because he has red hair
and all the way up there pappy keeps saying ... "you know dog .... we gotta feed those bears .... they're just coming out of hybernation and they are real hungry"
my dad said, "yeah pappy we get some food"
so driving into the park was a store and pappy said, "pull over dog .... we gotta feed those bears"
so pappy goes and gets a big barrel of ginger snaps
and they go into the park
and a big black bear is crossing the street with 2 cubs
pappy says, "stop the car dog ... let's feed those bears"
my dad stops the car and pappy rolls the window down and gets some ginger snaps out and says "come here bear"
there are 2 girls in the back seat and the bear comes over and stands on his hind feet and reaches in and grabs the whole barrel of ginger snaps and rolls them across the street
now the bear and pappy are nose to nose ....
and out of the corner of pappy's mouth pappy says, "ah ,,,, hey dog .. i think we better move this car .... i think this bear is serious"
that only made my dad and the girls laugh so hard he couldn't put his foot on the gas pedal ...
pappy says again out of the corner of his mouth ... "come on dog ... get moving"
finally my dad gets his food on the pedal and they go

now ,,, shouldn't be that hard should it ... if a dumb greek can go nose to nose with a beer .... we should be easily able to take on these reptilians

don't you think,

jim

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This reminds me of a story of cougars and bears in Yosemite. A very private person I know told me this story that happened to her, while in an altered state. She was with some rangers in Yosemite, at the upper levels somewhere. She asked the rangers if she could sing to the animals. I assume humoring her, they said yes. She sang, and cougars and bears came out of the forest to her. She sang it is bad right now but soon it will get better. It will get better.

The lions and bears left. When she left Yosemite, the some rangers lined the road, and bowed to her as she departed.

The animals know. :) (course the bear seized the entire barrel, it was *his* ... lol)

Sierra

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Hi Amzer...

Did some one not prove the lie detector unreliable as a general rule? and if so...and because of the way it works...some detectable change or impulse from the person... could that not also apply to this e-meter?

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Ray

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oooh hang on ...


you are refering to a general wheatstone bridge arent you ? You didnt search for the actual diagram of an actual E Meter did you ? Seeing that im apparently sitting for an exam i did some research and found THE actual diagram of the unit in question.. .not some other un related one, Amzer ...

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All right, answering to both of you.

A "lie detector," like an e-meter, addresses the changes occurring within an individual in the here and now in reaction/response to questions.

Trouble is, and for most people, the here and now contains everything from the past as well as the "automatic" future on top of the "now" (see Steve Richards). Hence a lie detector is unreliable since "reads/registers" can come from past lives, current life, automatic current future and future lives.

People operating lie detectors neglect past and future thinking that any read can only be due to current life. Also, they do not differentiate between a past reality gone unconscious and a virtual, fictitious reality consciously imagined/"mocked up"/thought about by an individual in his/her thoughts.

E-meter operators, up until jiminii, considered current life and past lives but neglected "futures" except as "intentions" in the present. However, e-meter operators do differentiate, between unconscious storage and conscious imagining of such, in determining whether a "read/register" is instant or not.

Now, the e-meter kept being modified and became a "sophisticated" Wheatstone Bridge because there are a number of ways a "read/register" can occur.

The two main ones being and addition or reduction of mass (ridge*) which modifies the overall resistance of the body (Rx) holding the "meter's" electrodes and/or an addition (feeding) or removal (sucking) of electrical energy in the Rx circuit by the "thetan" or by induction due to an electromagnetic "mass" moving around within the individual's field or, also, by electromagnetic signals from TV, radio, cell towers, cell phones, truck and cars passing by, etc...

The "sophistication" in the e-meter is mainly due to the latter with additions of filters to eliminate environmental "parasites"/interferences. These are the "frequency filters" added to the basic Wheatstone Bridge of the e-meter circuit.

The e-meter operator can only see what happens on the meter unless also "psychic" or a very keen observer able to notice subtle changes in the individual holding the meter's electrodes.

LRH being both psychic and gifted with a very keen sense of observation, realized that most "auditors" weren't or wouldn't be either and threw the idea -- for anyone to grab on -- of being able to measure what was happening to "ridges"* in an individual's field when these "ridges" blew or vanished (as-ised).

Mathieson grab the ball and ran with it and LRH being able to "see" what was happening in people's field as well as corroborate the subtle energy behaviour with physical observation of the "Rx" body holding the "cans"/electrodes was able to modify, suggest improvements and calibrate the e-meter down to what was only necessary to measure or "read" on its dial.

So, being "In Session" and therefore being "interested in one's own 'case' and willing to talk to the auditor" rather than playing with one's energy field to "see" what it would do on the meter is the optimum condition for the use of an e-meter as a tool to help locate where a "ridge"* is causing troubles in one's life.

* RIDGE,
1. it's a standing apparent motionlessness of some kind or other, an
apparent solidity, an apparent no-outflow—no-inflow, that's a ridge. Flows
have direction. Ridges have location. (5904C08)

2. a ridge is caused by two energy flows coinciding and causing an enturbulence of energy, which, on examination, is found to take on a characteristic which in energy flows is very like matter, having its particles in chaotic mixture. (Scn 8-80, p. 43)

3. a ridge is formed from two [opposite] flows and these two flows hitting will pile things up. (PDC 18)

4. a ridge is essentially suspended energy in space. it comes about by flows, dispersals or ridges impinging against one another with a sufficient solidity to cause an enduring state of energy. (Scn 8-8008, p. 18)

5 . a solid body of energy caused by various flows and dispersals which has a duration longer than the duration of flow. Any piece of matter could be considered to be a ridge in its last stage. Ridges, however, exist in suspension around a person and are the foundation upon which facsimiles are built. (Scn 8-8008, p. 49)

6 . facsimiles, or pictures, of motion. (Scn 8-80, p. 45)

7 . areas of dense waves. (Scn 8-8008, p. 78)

8 . electronic densities. (Scn Jour 6-G)

Flow 1 (intention) --------------> X <------ Flow 2 (counter-intention)
Ridge

Most of the time, the counter intention to one's intention is long gone but the created ridge is still there. When, once again, one flows out such an intention, that intention "hits" the ridge and its initial "counter intention" is reactivated and confused as being in "present time." Conversely, when a similar "counter intention" is encountered, and although the "intention" is long gone, that "counter intention" also "hits" the ridge and the initial intention "wakes up"....

Accordingly, most people are kept in the "jails" of the past... whence prejudices, antagonisms, conflicts, etc. are kept alive... many a "gut's feeling" are borne out of those "ridges"....

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this is the same debate we had about hydrocloric acids isnt it .. I reported an " Experience " and made a conclusion that in the end was right. Same thing here , i had an experience and your theory of the following

" So, being "In Session" and therefore being "interested in one's own 'case' and willing to talk to the auditor" rather than playing with one's energy field to "see" what it would do on the meter is the optimum condition for the use of an e-meter as a tool to help locate where a "ridge"* is causing troubles in one's life "

is INCORRECT ; 0 )

Ill tell you why , and ill be even more accurate in detail and sequence of events so not to confuse you.

Regardless of my Mode ( as you would immagine people being audited cannot be switched into a particlular mode before beginning ) when engaging with the E Meter when the gentleman asked me to think of something stressful in the past what i did first was , in sequence.

1 Clear My Mind

2 Turn on The third eye

3 I was going to do as he asked next however in the previous step was when the E meter had its first " Rock Slam "

We re set and repeated the exersise and the same thing happened . In step 2 the E Meter went bezerk and the operator was not able to get a calibration.

He was intrigued because he hadnt seen this happen before and asked me what i was thinking of and i answered " nothing ", i cleared my mind then was merely turning on my third eye.

He was puzzled and THEN was when we both started playing/experimenting. We were both curious so we tested the E Meter with my third eye with various PRACTICAL experiments.

The CONCLUSION to the PRACTICAL experiment lead me to believe that the E Meter was in fact attuned to detect the readings of the third eye.
I would go so far as to say the Heart Chakra as well as they can work symbiotically however this is a theory not a conclusion as i didnt have a chance to work with the heart centre in that experiment.

In order to sufficiently prove your THEORIES Amzer you would need to conduct some experiments of your own and find someone who can work with their third eye as i can ,then come back and give credibility to your theories. Until then my practical evidence is ( for those who believe in my integrity ) conclusive.

The dialogue you have presented are just theories , it is true that even a manual can be manipulated to read a certain way to corral a thinking process. As is the case in the training manual a " Rock Slam " is stated to be the presence of evil entity. However i can attest i am anything but evil and i was manipulating the device which was reading my third eye electromagnetic emission as a reading through the palm.

This is my conclusion , if you want to further debate this then you are not debating theory but in fact my integrity, which is another debate all together and one we can continue in PM if you wish. For the practical purposes of my reportage the interesing part has been made clear , anything further would seem like a pissing contest of which we should not bother our other readers .


Regards

Naniu

I just removed 20 posts discussing an alleged racial slur.

Good riddance. I did mostly agree with the rebuttals, but they were without context once the initial effort to (in my opinion) derail the thread was removed.

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Hi Amzer

" So, being "In Session" and therefore being "interested in one's own 'case' and willing to talk to the auditor" rather than playing with one's energy field to "see" what it would do on the meter is the optimum condition for the use of an e-meter as a tool to help locate where a "ridge"* is causing troubles in one's life "

is INCORRECT ; 0 )

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In order to sufficiently prove your THEORIES Amzer you would need to conduct some experiments of your own and find someone who can work with their third eye as i can ,then come back and give credibility to your theories. Until then my practical evidence is ( for those who believe in my integrity ) conclusive.

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Naniu

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Hi Nanoo,

Did you do what was asked or did you do something else?

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1 Clear My Mind

2 Turn on The third eye

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That's enough for not being "In Session" since you introduced a via within the "normal" thought process. Same as with jim, such vias introduce self generated flows which may be interesting to follow up on but not conducive to the main purpose.

As far as the kind of read that was obtained I cannot know what it was unless I saw it nor evaluate as to the reason(s) why it occurred.

As for "my" theories, they are not "theories" but what the meter is built for to read on and measure: minute changes in the body resistance and shielded from external sources of interferences.



PS: With respect to hydrochloric acid and regarding these other statement of yours:

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Actually i believe vinigar neutralises acidity.

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Acids can neutralise each other

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... are still incorrect no matter which way you look at it with respect to an acid neutralizing another acid when using the agreed-upon chemical terminology:

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In chemistry, neutralization (or neutralisation, see spelling differences) is a chemical reaction in which an acid and a base react to form a salt.

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That's all I was pointing at, not the experience you were relating of being relieved from gastric burns and which was due to different reasons than an acid neutralizing another acid. You chose to ignore the terminology.


Again, I am not addressing your experience with what you did in plugging in your third eye into the circuit. What I am addressing is that you did plug in a via with self-generated flows which throws off a normal, regular use of an e-meter, violating the "In Session" condition. That's all.

Two different points of view of the same dynamic...?


Dianetics, The Modern Science of Mental Health, L. Ron Hubbard, page 77

In the realm of psycho-somatic illness any combination of the language is as damaging a factor in an engram as any other factor. The moronic reasoning of the reactive mind, which considers everything in an engram equal to everything in an engram, also considers that everything similar to the engram in the exterior world (the restimulators) is sufficient cause to place an engram in effect. Hence aberration and illness can come about.


Holographic Kinetics, Steve Richards
http://www.holographickinetics.net/h...ckinetics.html
http://www.holographickinetics.net/C...of%20time.html

As man through the act of his thoughts, chooses to hang on to that created potential energy it aligns itself within an atomic structure known as "plutonic geometry," forming a crystal within the body. Now, as energy can only be captured through stress, that crystal locks into the stress point of the body in its own separate dimension known as time.

Unless that created dimension has enfolded space time upon itself for completion through 360 degrees, it will continue cycling through minor cycles, repeating the same patterns, gaining reactors and feeding itself the same frequencies that created it and eventually becoming conscious of its own consciousness and becoming an internal created entity. Once it reaches this stage it can then surface at will activating its creation, eg. if a deviant then one has no control as it surfaces activating its deviant acts as that was its creation and that deviant and its reactors is all it knows. When this occurs the person has no control over their deviant acts until space/time enfolds and changes that creation at it juncture.

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It’s 2117, and Ron and Jim are sitting around the table enjoying a couple Heineken’s talking about how the Matayeya timeline is off course and how they need to go back to 1950 and shift some realities, and teach the humans how to awaken and access their powers, when Jim says…. You’re crazy man, you don’t want to go back there….the place is 70% zombies, and most of the rest of them only use 10% of half their brains….what in hell do you think you can do if you go back there?....and Ron says; We need to go back there and teach them how to access their power so that they can keep the timeline on track before the evil controllers completely sever them from their humanity and terraform the entire planet into a full blown zombie controlled state….So, Ron says, hey Jim, since you are more advanced than me, why don’t you go down there? You could straighten that sh!t out in no time, but Jim thinks it’s best if Ron goes first….So they flip a coin, and Ron loses the coin toss….So Ron throws a couple bananas into the flux capacitor, fires up the DeLorean, set’s the meter to 1950 and off he goes (or however they do this nowadays)

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wow ... what a good laugh ... you're able to say everything I wanted to teach in a much simplified version that even i can understand ...

well done ..

jim

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I've been wondering when to jump in - NOW seems the time. It seems that Jim needs a translator and gripereaper is the perfect person. What do you say guys?!?!

Also, from personal experience - and I understand everyone's perspective and consequently their reality is different, but when I first opened up after an OBE, what we call psychic phenonomena floods into our lives. It's important not to become enamored or emotionally entangled with it - many do - which often becomes a derail. It seems to me (I may be very wrong) but from your posts Jim that is where you are. IMO some grounding is necessary. Also, if I might suggest, step back emotionally. I do think you an gripereaper would be a good combination, as he appears very grounded and non-judgmental.

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yes he's lovely

jim

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It’s 2117, and Ron and Jim are sitting around the table enjoying a couple Heineken’s talking about how the Matayeya timeline is off course and how they need to go back to 1950 and shift some realities, and teach the humans how to awaken and access their powers, when Jim says…. You’re crazy man, you don’t want to go back there….the place is 70% zombies, and most of the rest of them only use 10% of half their brains….what in hell do you think you can do if you go back there?....and Ron says; We need to go back there and teach them how to access their power so that they can keep the timeline on track before the evil controllers completely sever them from their humanity and terraform the entire planet into a full blown zombie controlled state….So, Ron says, hey Jim, since you are more advanced than me, why don’t you go down there? You could straighten that sh!t out in no time, but Jim thinks it’s best if Ron goes first….So they flip a coin, and Ron loses the coin toss….So Ron throws a couple bananas into the flux capacitor, fires up the DeLorean, set’s the meter to 1950 and off he goes (or however they do this nowadays)

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wow ... what a good laugh ... you're able to say everything I wanted to teach in a much simplified version that even i can understand ...

well done ..

jim

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I've been wondering when to jump in - NOW seems the time. It seems that Jim needs a translator and gripereaper is the perfect person. What do you say guys?!?!

Also, from personal experience - and I understand everyone's perspective and consequently their reality is different, but when I first opened up after an OBE, what we call psychic phenonomena floods into our lives. It's important not to become enamored or emotionally entangled with it - many do - which often becomes a derail. It seems to me (I may be very wrong) but from your posts Jim that is where you are. IMO some grounding is necessary. Also, if I might suggest, step back emotionally. I do think you an gripereaper would be a good combination, as he appears very grounded and non-judgmental.

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well people keep talking to me about being grounded ... music said something like that too ... don't know what I am doing that makes me look ungrounded ... (sounds like an electrical term) lightning pure raw energy saturating the skies creates awe .. .. don't know ... was thinking ... put up enough lightning I could somehow shift consciousness ... all the words on this site get me a bit tangles up ... I guess I am not used to seeing so many different expressions

may the force be with you

jim

hey jim, put one of your thumbs in your belly button and hold that hand with the other hand and meditate. preferably on ground/earth/grass.

Grounding is a very simple tool --you create (imagine) a connection to the earth extending from your 1st chakra/tailbone into the center of the planet. It allows you to release other people's energy, pain you might have, troublesome emotions, sub-personalities, pictures, etc, through the grounding cord.

i have a few questions that were not answered yet in this thread. im moving my way through the jimini's threads to catch up.

what kind of bodies are in the bases, ie hymalayas etc.
what happened 367 yrs in the past?
ive never heard of laws of lore, so just asking if that has anything to do with what we're doing here?
you said we have to wait until they show up. till who shows up?
what are the 12 steps that were mentioned?

sorry if these are silly questions, they are just unanswered wonderings.

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hey jim, put one of your thumbs in your belly button and hold that hand with the other hand and meditate. preferably on ground/earth/grass.

Grounding is a very simple tool --you create (imagine) a connection to the earth extending from your 1st chakra/tailbone into the center of the planet. It allows you to release other people's energy, pain you might have, troublesome emotions, sub-personalities, pictures, etc, through the grounding cord.

i have a few questions that were not answered yet in this thread. im moving my way through the jimini's threads to catch up.

what kind of bodies are in the bases, ie hymalayas etc.
what happened 367 yrs in the past?
ive never heard of laws of lore, so just asking if that has anything to do with what we're doing here?
you said we have to wait until they show up. till who shows up?
what are the 12 steps that were mentioned?

sorry if these are silly questions, they are just unanswered wonderings.

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Ok I have a body on the base on himalaya's ... but that entity does not want him to be known ... and this auditing only located where the bodies were ... he ask where and how far down to the half inch .... and direction ... shows up in the himalayas'''

I know I have a body there but i don't have any data on what is there ... whether friendly or not ... or if he is there as a kind of spy ... just can't get any data there

the bases under the sea ... have royalty ... are protected by time portals ... and the think I got from this is ... since they can observe what is going on the planet from 20 years back ... they can do things to change situations here knowing what will happen ... the idea I get by intuition is to prevent any major catastrophes ... and if something did go wrong .... they have 20 years to repair it ... so looks like what is happening now ... ??? the people here are expendable ... keeping the planet from being destroyed is not ... they would be able to repair it .... HOW????

like we are repairing what we can now .... from the future ... you see any creation that happens anywhere in time ... is being created from that time ... so what is being created from those undersea bases are changing from that time ... and what are the changes happening now ..., are changing from this time ... changing anything from 20 years back from now won't arrive for 20 years ... and they have already changed how this planet operates in that time period ... and it is being run by royalty defected from this galaxy government ... so it doesn't matter how this time ends up ... it would be repaired from 20 years behind us ... the time we are in now doesn't hit the future for about 367 more years ... somewhere around there we are sent back ... and the main purpose is to salvage as many more thetan's (spirit) viewpoints we can and clean them up and return more theta to the collective (source) theta ... so we have a backup that the cabal have no way to attack ... they are not capable of going 20 years back in a body ... the spirit is not capable. (does not know how to do it) .. so only their body would arrive there dead ,.. the spirit would still be in this time ... you have to be like me an OT level that can pop through time ... to an earlier time .... so the 367 years in the past is this time we are in now .... the real time for this time space continuum is already in the future ... about 367 or more years .. we are only coming back to this time to repair ...

you wonder how we can do this???? well the spirit is not in the physical universe ... only his viewpoints are ,.. what ever viewpoints that were created at this time would still be here .. even though in reality he is operating in a body that is in the future ... the spirit itself will answer and play the communications and actions of this time if anyone came back to this time to change something ...

you see a viewpoint and theta body is a creation .. just like an atom and atoms are a creation in every sequential space time creation ... all the atoms are recreated in new unit of time but only their positions are changed ... this creates motion and an apparency of time ... which is defined as particles in motion ... we create that motion by creating the space time again and changing the positions of all the particles ... so example ,.. create space then add to space an instant of time and create a new space and put a particle in it ... then create a new time new space and a new particle but this time change the position of the particle so it appears to be moving ... and that is how it is created ...

so even the viewpoint inside the space time continuum is a creation in some form of astral energy space mass and time ... (the ghost for a GE .. the viewpoint and theta body for the spirit) .. so anything created in any ONE SPACE TIME INSTANT is STILL HERE and can be PLAYED again like rewinding a tape recorder

so the spirits operating in the future would also have their attention in this space time period if someone from the future was to come back and try to change something

what we did was create NEW viewpoints out of source itself ... (viewpoint/theta body) ... but this time NO perpetual motion picture time recording system ... and sent back to occupy any of the bodies here that didn't have a spirit in it ... or wanted to let the body go because it was dying (like my body was at 4 and a half years old ) ...

eventually this planet will enter into the galactic community ... but ... for a different reason ... they know they need this technology to advance themselves too ... the problem is they are about as corrupt as USA is or even more ... so ... we have those that are keeping the planet checked ... so no one can do anything until this last part plays out ...

that is what we are waiting for .. "laws or lore ??? " not sure where I said that .. must be a typo ... 12 .. steps ... did I write 12 steps ????

have to show me where I wrote this and I go see what I was trying to say then ...

not silly questions .. thanks for asking ..


jim

the 12 steps and laws of lore are probably mentioned by other posters.

how can someone tap into their future viewpoints? if they even exist?

i know this will sound silly, but prior to what people call "waking up" - id worry about 3d life. and when i needed inspiration/creative ideas, i would always pull intuitively from a parallel life, different circiumstances/personality, what could i do to change things up? what would they/i do? anyways, does this count at all?

lots of inspiration comes from thinking stuff like that.

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the 12 steps and laws of lore are probably mentioned by other posters.

how can someone tap into their future viewpoints? if they even exist?

i know this will sound silly, but prior to what people call "waking up" - id worry about 3d life. and when i needed inspiration/creative ideas, i would always pull intuitively from a parallel life, different circiumstances/personality, what could i do to change things up? what would they/i do? anyways, does this count at all?

lots of inspiration comes from thinking stuff like that.

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for me ... I just look ... like looking into the future from my beings eyes ... and get the idea I am connecting to the other me ... that is there ... and something happens ... sometimes so fast I don't know what it is ... just got in yawns like my jaws got so big .. I thought they would break from yawning .. then stuff will appear in the future to let me kind of let me know what they wanted or what they were communicating ... like things you just run into on the fly ...

haha

kind of like that ... but get in communication sometimes on this site ... (there are some really aware people if you can past the BS stuff and find the real stuff) .. i would get awareness ... as I was speaking ... would be seeing other things I never looked at before and things opened up from the future ... let me know what it was ...

jim