Truman Cash's, karla Turner's, B. Bartholic's, Mangala's, etc, researches squarely disagrree with that statement.Quote:
Posted by observer
Abductions have been going on for eons.
Hence that statement, to the contrary of being all inclusive, is derived from only ONE particular group of ETs that made it "legal" with ONE Earth's government.
In other words, in spite of claiming and clamoring it (to seemingly make it logical and scientific), that statement is not supported by evidence.
I agree with you here Justone,Quote:
Posted by justonemanYes Paul - that is the same thread - started by D-Day back in January - both Amzer Zo's link and yours go to this thread... what do you think about this material, Paul? I originally read through the interviews with Steve Richards in late June/early July when Amzer Zo first started bringing it up again in this Horus-Ra thread. Honestly, I got little out of it.Quote:
Posted by PaulThis thread: Dreamtime Healing - Using Holographic Kinetics ?Quote:
Posted by 9eagle9
Astonishingly, and because I respect Amzer Zo a great deal, I decided to go through those interviews again. I spent two hours covering the first 65% of the first interview last night and strangely, every sentence of Steve Richards came through clearly and I have so far been able to achieve a great deal of comprehension where just two months ago not much was able to sink in.
I attribute this change to a.) some positive progress I have made due to my studies (all coming from Avalonians and much of that from the Horus-Ra thread and b.) that at least one suspected entity I have been dealing with has been removed in mid July and c.) I have been fortunate that I have been able to move to a peaceful land and d.) that I am well into my new diet / cleansing routine (which is not so easy to do but has already resulted in a clearer mind).
Amazing but sadly, only good for me so far... maybe some others can be inspired by my recantings.
To Observer - again another quite powerful post. Being honest, my first feeling when I read your most recent post was a feeling of hopelessness and that perhaps I should withdraw and just wait for the day I die. Then I quickly moved out of that thought and realized abductions have occurred long before the said contract anyways and just a side note to the bigger picture. I then recalled my studies of last night and felt that surge of hope and quickly returned my optimistic resolve.
Everyone is entitled to their view and mine is that I am not nor ever will be empowered by owning a gun to defend my physical body from some other physical body threat. I really don't care what anyone does to my physical body anymore if I am stuck in living in the dynamic of "fear" because the only reason I would do so is because I am afraid something with harm my physical body or kill it AND that I must use a physical weapon to prevent that. I am not spiritually developed enough to handle that. I have to find my solution in another way, through some way that cannot result in violence to another being. I found that when I approach these concerning possibilities restricting myself from weapons, I actually, simultaneously lose the fear. I cannot explain why this is the case, but it just is. I also recall in my younger days when I thought differently and those days I was consumed by my fears.
Please, don't take what I wrote as an argument in any form. In fact, I respect others who have the spiritual maturity regarding weapons and how they might be handled. I also fully admit my abduction experience and my other anomalous experiences are nothing near the horrifying nature of DoTs and wynderers and so how can I possibly know how they should feel, react, attempt to do about what appears to be an ongoing phenomena for them.
Thanks Houman for the interviews - will watch asap as I continue through the Steve Richards material again.
Apologies I got rambly - justoneman
When i read Observer's post last night, i became so depressed that I had to sign out and sit for hours while contemplating my fate and the point of continuing a life of abductions if those abductions do not stop. While I am not a MILAB abductee, I have been an abductee since infancy (two weeks old!) so I don't know what this means in terms of contracts. I am so confused and although I am no longer angry, I felt deep despair last night, which is far worse than anger. Externally, I do not show any signs of unwellness. People think I am the picture of vibrant health. Internally, I feel like I'm dying. I know I have said this before: no medical conditions have been found for my unwelless but it became very clear back in early May, after an Orionite contact (they said they were from Orion) and I became extremely ill, that the abductions are the cause of my malaise. My apologies for dwelling on this, but I'm desperately seeking answers so Observer's post almost annihilated my hopes.
As far as owning a gun, well, first of all I don't see myself owning a gun since I hate those things. And what would be the point of owning a gun since those pesky intruders usually show up while I sleep? So, that's not an answer for me. As far as taking action with the government goes, well, please! That is not really a feasible action.
9eagle9, I appreciate your contributions and wise insights and I thank you for addressing my questions. And my apologies if I asked you something which you had previously addressed in other threads. I know you are a prolific contributor on many threads, which I am not, so I am certainly not aware of all the wisdom you have imparted. But beside one friend who understands my situation, this is the only place I can voice my concerns for I could never open up to the world out there since they wouldn't believe me and I would risk losing even more if I were to open up. I did try to open up to a friend who has published a number of books on spirituality and the after life. He does believe in abductions. He said he has repeatedly astral travelled and watched abductions and ET procedures. But he believes that they just want our ova and sperm for reproduction purposes and they are studying us, without harming us, because they are contemplating living on planet earth with us, peacefully, and sharing their knowledge! So much for that! I feel that being in a community of kindred spirits (even if there are disagreements as this is not a bad thing because it teaches us other perspectives) is the most helpful place to find answers, epiphanies, inspiration, information, to guide those who are desperately seeking it.
I have asked this question repeatedly on this thread. How does one stop abductions and regain the life force that has been lost in the process? If that is even possible! I am thankful for all the answers and all the willingness to help shown by the contributors here so please don't see me as ungrateful, but the advice on this matter is not really practical. Please don't misunderstand me here, these advices may be practical to you, the writer, but not to me, the reader. There must be more! I know it is my responsibility to find the answers. Today I don't feel despair anymore. I feel so much better than last night.
I wish there were a guide somewhere that one could follow which has been proven to work. There must be abductees out there somewhere who have found of way to stop the abductions and regained their autonomy. Truman Cash has, it seems. He's a great inspiration to me. Well, I guess I'll just have to find my own, personal way. And a way must exist! For every problem, there is a solution. So a solution can be found. Perhaps the solutions are as individual as the abduction cases. But I have to trust that a solution will be found. Living a righteous life hasn't helped me at all. There must be other ways.
Pardon me for my ramblings.
Wyn,Quote:
Posted by wynderer
I am quite certain that abductees have been programmed with feeling fear, pain, exhaustion, and a plethora of other debilitating symptoms every time they disclose their experiences. This is a way to control us and to make us stop from sharing the nature of our encounters with ETs so that the knowledge will not be spread.
This is exactly the kind of phenomena 9eagle9 and I have been typing about... "progams," constructs, "cicuits," automatic shut downs, etc...Quote:
Posted by justoneman[...]Quote:
Posted by PaulThis thread: Dreamtime Healing - Using Holographic Kinetics ?Quote:
Posted by 9eagle9
Astonishingly, and because I respect Amzer Zo a great deal, I decided to go through those interviews again. I spent two hours covering the first 65% of the first interview last night and strangely, every sentence of Steve Richards came through clearly and I have so far been able to achieve a great deal of comprehension where just two months ago not much was able to sink in.
[...]
- justoneman
Phenomena exhibited by what I call the R6ers "skull-dwelling-zombies" who are under a perpetual hypnotic trance and under hypnotic orders not to observe the obvious. The kind that never look at the skies and see chemtrails, etc... "It's all good!" they say... it's all part of the big one all... MESS!
It also illustrates what happens on this forum (less so here) and others. To the point I keep wondering if people:
a) are reading what's written or is it an overlaid picture in their mind?
b) understand what is written?
c) have any probity at all?
Thank you, Justeone, for your honesty and having the courage to report your findings.
Glad you were able to make it out of the hypnotic trance!
Amzer -- do you happen to know of a transcript of this two part Off Planet Radio interview of Steve Richards ?Quote:
Posted by Amzer ZoQuote:
Posted by Paul
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Amzer Zo,Quote:
Posted by Amzer ZoThis is exactly the kind of phenomena 9eagle9 and I have been typing about... "progams," constructs, "cicuits," automatic shut downs, etc...Quote:
Posted by justoneman[...]Quote:
Posted by PaulThis thread: Dreamtime Healing - Using Holographic Kinetics ?Quote:
Posted by 9eagle9
Astonishingly, and because I respect Amzer Zo a great deal, I decided to go through those interviews again. I spent two hours covering the first 65% of the first interview last night and strangely, every sentence of Steve Richards came through clearly and I have so far been able to achieve a great deal of comprehension where just two months ago not much was able to sink in.
[...]
- justoneman
Phenomena exhibited by what I call the R6ers "skull-dwelling-zombies" who are under a perpetual hypnotic trance and under hypnotic orders not to observe the obvious. The kind that never look at the skies and see chemtrails, etc... "It's all good!" they say... it's all part of the big one all... MESS!
It also illustrates what happens on this forum (less so here) and others. To the point I keep wondering if people:
a) are reading what's written or is it an overlaid picture in their mind?
b) understand what is written?
c) have any probity at all?
Thank you, Justeone, for your honesty and having the courage to report your findings.
Glad you were able to make it out of the hypnotic trance!
You are so right here! I fully understand what you're getting at. However, one can read something with intense fervor, desire, and absolute willingness to understand, but if there are powerful programmings in the way, then the understanding will not sink in because it is being over-ridden by the previous programmings. And although I believe it is fully possible and doable to remove programmings as many have managed to do this, when you've been programmed life after life, it becomes extremely difficult. So since the first step must be to de-program oneself, that's what should be focused on first. Again, the question, how does one deprogram oneself? Yes, i know, it has been shared here, repeatedly. I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just expounding that it is difficult to clear oneself in spite of all the desire in the world to do so. If one doesn't get it, it doesn't mean that they don't want to get it. One ends up feeling stupid for not getting it, even if one is not stupid.
I worked as a teacher for a number of years. I always got my students to reach higher levels of understandings when I showed compassion. Compassion and patience are the keys. I'm not saying that you don't have compassion and patience for you certainly do. Why am I posting this? Because de-programming oneself is very difficult for some no matter how much they want to be fully de-programmed.
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You can google Karla Turner and access her videos. I do remember her saying something along that line when i watched her videos. This was sometime ago so I don't remember exactly how she phrased it.Quote:
Posted by wyndereri don't recall Dr Karla Turner saying that -- could you pls direct me to the source?
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Posted by Amzer ZoTruman Cash's, karla Turner's, B. Bartholic's, Mangala's, etc, researches squarely disagrree with that statement.Quote:
Posted by observer
Abductions have been going on for eons.
Hence that statement, to the contrary of being all inclusive, is derived from only ONE particular group of ETs that made it "legal" with ONE Earth's government.
In other words, in spite of claiming and clamoring it (to seemingly make it logical and scientific), that statement is not supported by evidence.
The attempt was pretty intrusive...lol. I've expressed this story before so its not personal , its not even personal to me its just how they operate. I'ts only personal when you become a victim of it.
But basically before the actual physical attempt had been made, it started on the level of psychic and astral infiltration that I deflected. It was weird emerging pattern that started out there in the realms of the mind and blasted its way into physical reality. It may have started, even, before this time; in 06 I crossed the eyes of some letter agencies concerning some remote viewing and they spent a number of weeks trailing after me to make sure I didn't have the secrets to the universe tucked into my bra.
But during about a ten day time frame, I experienced something attempting to high jack me on a mental, emotional and astral sorts of way, lucid dreaming interrupted by ass-trals, wakening meditations being intruded on, channeling being disrupted, normal night time dreaming being disrupted. First it was subtle, then it got more aggressive as the thugs came out. Literally astral thugs threatening me and then coaxing me that they were my spirit guides. I personally don't 'do' spirit guides, and I'd not pick one that looked like it was from the Mafia anyway ....so I deflected it but pondered the pattern that was emerging. It was quite adamant I take my little bubble down I have around me when I do this sort of meandering. When I laughed at it, it got angry, and said, My boss knows what you're doing! and darted off in a huff.
Good for your boss.
One evening, in my little travels I was popped into this event where this young woman with curly black hair was leading me through this war torn landscape, the industrial landscape I speak about once and while. I'm familiar with it, that's 'their' place. The place they like to take you to completely cut you off from anything real or authentic and bang their drum really hard at you. Their version of re-education camps I'd suppose you'd say. The young woman shifted her appearance from young with curly hair to older with straight hair. She kept promising she was going to do all she could to lead me out of this landscape when it was apparent she was simply leading me in deeper, I was experiencing gunshots, sniper shots, things rushing out of the shadows to snap at me. I got bored with the whole horse and pony show after a while when I realized it was a ploy and I left.
The next day I signed into social media site for psychics, and someone had a left a post for me. I was startled to see from the avatar it was the curly haired woman from my dream. She posted a photo of the older woman she kept changing into in my dream. And she asked me, Can you tell me about this woman?
So I posted back, yes, deceased, was mentally ill in life knowing full well I was about to prod at whatever was behind this sort of ploy..
She came roaring back in me just hurling a the worst sort of verbal attack one could summon, just hysterically out of control. So the owner of the site who is equally familiar with this sort of assholery, clicked on her Avatar and it took us no where. She didn't exist on the sight even though she was clearly expressed as a member, there was no profile page, to look up, just a dead end. Like she never existed. Save for her post.
That evening I was sleeping, facing the wall on my side. I woke up from another doze where something is trying to intrude in, and realized I couldn't move. Sleep paralysis which I had never experienced. Laying there I realized something was in the room with me. I have a sort of vile temper about something holding me against my will, so I surged against it. Whatever it was , wasn't there to deliver roses, and I'm known to shapeshift when I feel like the very bones of my being is threatened. My stasis broke, I came up off the bed about three feet, flipped and landed on my hands and knees and there was what was best described as a malignant Pillsbury dough boy standing next to the bed. Utterly grotesque, devoid of any emotion. Moon faced. And it was there to do ...you...know...not give me a kiss goodnight.
Having someone (thing?) in my room, in my space, in my face normal let alone something like that doesn't sit well with me so I shifted again, and stuck my face in his and roared. Whatever comes up in me in these times has a rather draconic quality to it, so its not a human sound, its a snarling bellow that can be heard for all over the place. I've done it in public on several occasions, this was the first time I've done it in sem-privacy. It has the same result as when a flesh and blood human gets in your face.
The little dough boy got blown backwards, stumbled into my computer desk, knocking all the books off of it, and then blinked out of sight. I came back into my usual state of consciousness, and my sister was standing at the door, and I had to lie to her and tell her I had a bad dream and fell out of bed when she wanted to know if I was taming lions in the room.
she told me a few minutes before she heard all the unearthly bellowing, the cat had been sleeping on her lap. Suddenly the cat woke up, howled, and started spitting, and rushed off like big puff ball. Right after that she heard me making my objections downstairs because its quite loud.
I followed that back trail of energy the little doughboy left, to make sure his head was rolling on the other side of the universe and far away. And I haven't had any problems since then save for the garden variety of low level beings, physical and non, playing in their own crap.
Essentially though these sorts of intrusions start on the psychic level, if one is aware enough to know this or experience. When they have to take the physical body or bring their control drama out into the physical things are getting a bit desperate for them.
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Everyone is entitled to THEIR view.
If a person is not moving under their own volition and are under the operating programs and compromised by something else, its not their view. Its the view of whatever is compromising them.
I have often wondered about what Amerzo posted. Are they just not able to see what others are seeing. We see a sentence that says. Run, spot, Run.
And they see : Dick and Jane held hands. (or worse).
We see black and they see tie dyed.
We can't know this we are only our own experience.
Consciousness is what is compromised and consciousness has a great deal of influence over perceptions. How we see, how we hear, cognitive dissonance. is the programs running their head re-translating everything ? That's meant to cause chaos, that is the tower of Babble (sic) right there.
Emotionally trip triggered people re-translate everything based on their prejudice, they literally pre-judge everything based on previous experience and re-act out that experience over and over even when the present situation has nothing to do with the experiences that are causing them to go into reaction mode.
But people so compromised that their eyes and ears are having that information re-translated to them in their heads? How do you get through to people like that? They have to get tired of their own condition. Because I'm sure these are not highly functional people.
The world is illusionary, I know I see the world often times as it it really is rather than others are seeing it. Other people don't see tree auras, and hear the things i'm hearing which is why I say we, ALL of us, do not see the world for the way it REAL-ly is..but this overt distortion of the material senses via conscious programming.
That means we can't even provide evidence to people--they can't see it. or they see something other than what we've brought forward as evidence.
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Posted by justonemanYes Paul - that is the same thread - started by D-Day back in January - both Amzer Zo's link and yours go to this thread... what do you think about this material, Paul? I originally read through the interviews with Steve Richards in late June/early July when Amzer Zo first started bringing it up again in this Horus-Ra thread. Honestly, I got little out of it.Quote:
Posted by PaulThis thread: Dreamtime Healing - Using Holographic Kinetics ?Quote:
Posted by 9eagle9
Astonishingly, and because I respect Amzer Zo a great deal, I decided to go through those interviews again. I spent two hours covering the first 65% of the first interview last night and strangely, every sentence of Steve Richards came through clearly and I have so far been able to achieve a great deal of comprehension where just two months ago not much was able to sink in.
I attribute this change to a.) some positive progress I have made due to my studies (all coming from Avalonians and much of that from the Horus-Ra thread and b.) that at least one suspected entity I have been dealing with has been removed in mid July and c.) I have been fortunate that I have been able to move to a peaceful land and d.) that I am well into my new diet / cleansing routine (which is not so easy to do but has already resulted in a clearer mind).
Amazing but sadly, only good for me so far... maybe some others can be inspired by my recantings.
To Observer - again another quite powerful post. Being honest, my first feeling when I read your most recent post was a feeling of hopelessness and that perhaps I should withdraw and just wait for the day I die. Then I quickly moved out of that thought and realized abductions have occurred long before the said contract anyways and just a side note to the bigger picture. I then recalled my studies of last night and felt that surge of hope and quickly returned my optimistic resolve.
Everyone is entitled to their view and mine is that I am not nor ever will be empowered by owning a gun to defend my physical body from some other physical body threat. I really don't care what anyone does to my physical body anymore if I am stuck in living in the dynamic of "fear" because the only reason I would do so is because I am afraid something might harm my physical body or kill it AND that I must use a physical weapon to prevent that. I am not spiritually developed enough to handle that. I have to find my solution in another way, through some way that cannot result in violence to another being. I found that when I approach these concerning possibilities restricting myself from weapons, I actually, simultaneously lose the fear. I cannot explain why this is the case, but it just is. I also recall in my younger days when I thought differently and those days I was consumed by my fears.
Please, don't take what I wrote as an argument in any form. In fact, I respect others who have the spiritual maturity regarding weapons and how they might be handled. I also fully admit my abduction experience and my other anomalous experiences are nothing near the horrifying nature of DoTs and wynderers and so how can I possibly know how they should feel, react, attempt to do about what appears to be an ongoing phenomena for them.
Thanks Houman for the interviews - will watch asap as I continue through the Steve Richards material again.
Apologies I got rambly - justoneman
No they are not scared of you. You are under THEIR control, why should they be scared of you?
This is why I say instead of accepting the reality of one's condition, when one is ready to accept their condition only then can they have the willingness to change it, one tries to make it into something great. If you accept it, you can't deny it by slathering it in false power. That is obviously not a person who has power if it is compromised by implants. If you are feeling that way that is not empowerment. Nor should anyone ever think that is what empowerment feels like, there's not even any control over one's circumstances let alone an authentic expression of power.
I see esoteric healers do this. I have to suffer for my great healing power. I'm sensitive and sickly , and have sacrificed for my healing ability.
Then they have no healing ability if they can't heal themselves and neither can they be healing others. Who'd go to a healer who was aged, sick, weak and expect something meaningful is going to happen to their health?
You have the POTENTIAL for power, that is not expressed. If it was expressed you wouldn't be feeling this way. That is what they are concerned with--potential-- but as long as you are in this, their, condition you are not empowered.
Cheering one's self up with false sentiments doesn't fix this; removal fixes it.
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Posted by wyndererhi Daughter of Time --
i believe that when we attempt to de-program ourselves, & begin to make some progress, we are repeatedly abducted for strong re-programming purposes -- since, as you noted in another post, they do this at night when we are sleeping -- & most of the time i am so worn out from the pain & very weird exhaustion that when i finally can sleep, i am out like a light [tho normally a light sleeper] -- it's rather a difficult problem
to cheer myself up , i sometimes think, 'Wow! i must be a powerful person , that they've implanted both my Third Eye & my root chakra , & all the other interference going on -- they must be scared of me!'
wyn
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Posted by Daughter of TimeAmzer Zo,Quote:
Posted by Amzer ZoThis is exactly the kind of phenomena 9eagle9 and I have been typing about... "progams," constructs, "cicuits," automatic shut downs, etc...Quote:
Posted by justoneman[...]Quote:
Posted by PaulThis thread: Dreamtime Healing - Using Holographic Kinetics ?Quote:
Posted by 9eagle9
Astonishingly, and because I respect Amzer Zo a great deal, I decided to go through those interviews again. I spent two hours covering the first 65% of the first interview last night and strangely, every sentence of Steve Richards came through clearly and I have so far been able to achieve a great deal of comprehension where just two months ago not much was able to sink in.
[...]
- justoneman
Phenomena exhibited by what I call the R6ers "skull-dwelling-zombies" who are under a perpetual hypnotic trance and under hypnotic orders not to observe the obvious. The kind that never look at the skies and see chemtrails, etc... "It's all good!" they say... it's all part of the big one all... MESS!
It also illustrates what happens on this forum (less so here) and others. To the point I keep wondering if people:
a) are reading what's written or is it an overlaid picture in their mind?
b) understand what is written?
c) have any probity at all?
Thank you, Justeone, for your honesty and having the courage to report your findings.
Glad you were able to make it out of the hypnotic trance!
You are so right here! I fully understand what you're getting at. However, one can read something with intense fervor, desire, and absolutely willingness to understand, but if there are powerful programmings in the way, then the understanding will not sink in because it is being over-ridden by the previous programmings. And although I believe it is fully possible and doable to remove programmings as many have managed to do this, when you've been programmed life after life, it becomes extremely difficult. So since the first step must be to de-program oneself, that's what should be focused on first. Again, the question, how does one deprogram oneself? Yes, i know, it has been shared here, repeatedly. I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just expounding that it is difficult to clear oneself in spite of all the desire in the world to do so. If one doesn't get it, it doesn't mean that they don't want to get it. One ends up feeling stupid for not getting it, even if one is not stupid.
I worked as a teacher for a number of years. I always got my students to reach higher levels of understandings when I showed compassion. Compassion and patience are the keys. I'm not saying that you don't have compassion and patience for you certainly do. Why am I posting this? Because de-programming oneself is very difficult for some no matter how much they want to be fully de-programmed.
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You can google Karla Turner and access her videos. I do remember her saying something along that line when i watched her videos. This was sometime ago so I don't remember exactly how she phrased it.Quote:
Posted by wyndereri don't recall Dr Karla Turner saying that -- could you pls direct me to the source?
Quote:
Posted by Amzer ZoTruman Cash's, karla Turner's, B. Bartholic's, Mangala's, etc, researches squarely disagrree with that statement.Quote:
Posted by observer
Abductions have been going on for eons.
Hence that statement, to the contrary of being all inclusive, is derived from only ONE particular group of ETs that made it "legal" with ONE Earth's government.
In other words, in spite of claiming and clamoring it (to seemingly make it logical and scientific), that statement is not supported by evidence.
I have one word for that. Well a couple.
If someone wants my ova, ASK For it. That goes double for a man, (edited out of moderations consideration) who doesn't have to have invasive measures taken like a woman does.
If they are too timid to ask, why not some less traumatizing subterfuge, even our own stuck in the false paradigm doctors can extract a few ova without having to resort to abductions, being taken off planet, traumatized by an alien experience.
I won't buy that; its a rationalization for violation.
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Posted by Daughter of TimeI agree with you here Justone,Quote:
Posted by justonemanYes Paul - that is the same thread - started by D-Day back in January - both Amzer Zo's link and yours go to this thread... what do you think about this material, Paul? I originally read through the interviews with Steve Richards in late June/early July when Amzer Zo first started bringing it up again in this Horus-Ra thread. Honestly, I got little out of it.Quote:
Posted by PaulThis thread: Dreamtime Healing - Using Holographic Kinetics ?Quote:
Posted by 9eagle9
Astonishingly, and because I respect Amzer Zo a great deal, I decided to go through those interviews again. I spent two hours covering the first 65% of the first interview last night and strangely, every sentence of Steve Richards came through clearly and I have so far been able to achieve a great deal of comprehension where just two months ago not much was able to sink in.
I attribute this change to a.) some positive progress I have made due to my studies (all coming from Avalonians and much of that from the Horus-Ra thread and b.) that at least one suspected entity I have been dealing with has been removed in mid July and c.) I have been fortunate that I have been able to move to a peaceful land and d.) that I am well into my new diet / cleansing routine (which is not so easy to do but has already resulted in a clearer mind).
Amazing but sadly, only good for me so far... maybe some others can be inspired by my recantings.
To Observer - again another quite powerful post. Being honest, my first feeling when I read your most recent post was a feeling of hopelessness and that perhaps I should withdraw and just wait for the day I die. Then I quickly moved out of that thought and realized abductions have occurred long before the said contract anyways and just a side note to the bigger picture. I then recalled my studies of last night and felt that surge of hope and quickly returned my optimistic resolve.
Everyone is entitled to their view and mine is that I am not nor ever will be empowered by owning a gun to defend my physical body from some other physical body threat. I really don't care what anyone does to my physical body anymore if I am stuck in living in the dynamic of "fear" because the only reason I would do so is because I am afraid something with harm my physical body or kill it AND that I must use a physical weapon to prevent that. I am not spiritually developed enough to handle that. I have to find my solution in another way, through some way that cannot result in violence to another being. I found that when I approach these concerning possibilities restricting myself from weapons, I actually, simultaneously lose the fear. I cannot explain why this is the case, but it just is. I also recall in my younger days when I thought differently and those days I was consumed by my fears.
Please, don't take what I wrote as an argument in any form. In fact, I respect others who have the spiritual maturity regarding weapons and how they might be handled. I also fully admit my abduction experience and my other anomalous experiences are nothing near the horrifying nature of DoTs and wynderers and so how can I possibly know how they should feel, react, attempt to do about what appears to be an ongoing phenomena for them.
Thanks Houman for the interviews - will watch asap as I continue through the Steve Richards material again.
Apologies I got rambly - justoneman
When i read Observer's post last night, i became so depressed that I had to sign out and sit for hours while contemplating my fate and the point of continuing a life of abductions if those abductions do not stop. While I am not a MILAB abductee, I have been an abductee since infancy (two weeks old!) so I don't know what this means in terms of contracts. I am so confused and although I am no longer angry, I felt deep despair last night, which is far worse than anger. Externally, I do not show any signs of unwellness. People think I am the picture of vibrant health. Internally, I feel like I'm dying. I know I have said this before: no medical conditions have been found for my unwelless but it became very clear back in early May, after an Orionite contact (they said they were from Orion) and I became extremely ill, that the abductions are the cause of my malaise. My apologies for dwelling on this, but I'm desperately seeking answers so Observer's post almost annihilated my hopes.
As far as owning a gun, well, first of all I don't see myself owning a gun since I hate those things. And what would be the point of owning a gun since those pesky intruders usually show up while I sleep? So, that's not an answer for me. As far as taking action with the government goes, well, please! That is not really a feasible action.
9eagle9, I appreciate your contributions and wise insights and I thank you for addressing my questions. And my apologies if I asked you something which you had previously addressed in other threads. I know you are a prolific contributor on many threads, which I am not, so I am certainly not aware of all the wisdom you have imparted. But beside one friend who understands my situation, this is the only place I can voice my concerns for I could never open up to the world out there since they wouldn't believe me and I would risk losing even more if I were to open up. I did try to open up to a friend who has published a number of books on spirituality and the after life. He does believe in abductions. He said he has repeatedly astral travelled and watched abductions and ET procedures. But he believes that they just want our ova and sperm for reproduction purposes and they are studying us, without harming us, because they are contemplating living on planet earth with us, peacefully, and sharing their knowledge! So much for that! I feel that being in a community of kindred spirits (even if there are disagreements as this is not a bad thing because it teaches us other perspectives) is the most helpful place to find answers, epiphanies, inspiration, information, to guide those who are desperately seeking it.
I have asked this question repeatedly on this thread. How does one stop abductions and regain the life force that has been lost in the process? If that is even possible! I am thankful for all the answers and all the willingness to help shown by the contributors here so please don't see me as ungrateful, but the advice on this matter is not really practical. Please don't misunderstand me here, these advices may be practical to you, the writer, but not to me, the reader. There must be more! I know it is my responsibility to find the answers. Today I don't feel despair anymore. I feel so much better than last night.
I wish there were a guide somewhere that one could follow which has been proven to work. There must be abductees out there somewhere who have found of way to stop the abductions and regained their autonomy. Truman Cash has, it seems. He's a great inspiration to me. Well, I guess I'll just have to find my own, personal way. And a way must exist! For every problem, there is a solution. So a solution can be found. Perhaps the solutions are as individual as the abduction cases. But I have to trust that a solution will be found. Living a righteous life hasn't helped me at all. There must be other ways.
Pardon me for my ramblings.
Hey, I just want to make an omelet. Got three eggs? If ya got six I could make a fritatta. You did say double for a man, right?:PQuote:
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Maybe the aliens are just looking for meal and hospitality. :thumb:
BTW. This post is a demonstration of how to edit out all of the lengthy prior posts. The last few posts have been getting large.
I see Wynderer gave it a go. Certainly helped.
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Posted by PaulAmzer -- do you happen to know of a transcript of this two part Off Planet Radio interview of Steve Richards ?Quote:
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Posted by Paul
Here it is:
Download MP3s:
Part 1 (right click and ‘Save As’ to download)
Part 2 (right click and ‘Save As’ to download)
Full Transcript -Dreamtime Healing-Hour 1-PDF (right click + "Save as")
Full Transcript -Dreamtime Healing-Hour 2-PDF (right click + "Save as")
That's for the first interview, I do not know if there are transcripts for the second interview.
Psychic abilities don't have anything to do with empowerment. Because you are gifted doesn't mean that you have the authority to manage your life.There's many empowered people who are not particularly gifted psychically. Psychic pertains to the psyche, were we get compromised at. Many psychic people wake up to the fact that even their abilities were a form of programming.
When someone/ something psychically attacks the first thing I know is ...they cannot manage themselves or their ability. The moment that inability to manage their emotions is launched I get the upper hand.
The first time someone launches a verbal attack on me...I get the upper hand. They are not managing themselves so I'm left wide open to manage the situation as long as I don't re-act.
This is not mysticism, or esoteric it just the way it is.
A parasitical energy will whisper all sorts of truths and even predictions that come to pass to lend IT credibility and so one is reluctant to give up that false empowerment. You know how many psychics and channelers I know whose spirit guides are not spirits at all? They are parasitical energies, GFL, fake gods and fake angels. It's not even THEIR ability anymore.
An ability is an integrated part of ourselves, if we are compromised, its compromised too. Of course they want someone's abilities...they don't have any true expression on their own. We need to wake up to the fact we are being held hostage by psychically arrested entities that are more dis-empowered than we are. We'd see that if we ourselves were not so compromised.
Ask Duncan. Why? To CONTROL those abilities. Do you think Duncan was chosen because he was a big tough guy that could kick ass. There's lots of big tough guys that can kick ass. Duncan was compromised because of his abilities. It was based on his abilities that they began controlling him.
Now Duncan had to learn what it is to know what is inherently his without compromise. Naturally expressed ability.
What good is an ability if one is getting compromised simply because they have their birthright? What good is an ability if its just going to be taken and controlled by someone else? Even our own filters distort our abilities.
More often than not, highly gifted people are managed by their abilities.At the very least by their own filters. YOU have to manage them, so someone else isn't.
We have one gift that we are certain of. That is our life, given to us, for us to manage . If we don't something else will.
The ptb showed us that.
We KNOW this.
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Posted by wyndererhi 9Eagle9,
i don't think/feel they have complete control of me
re the being scared of me -- there seems be some truth to the theory that both abductees & milabs are chosen for our intelligence & psychic gifts -- Duncan O'Finiaon is reporting from the seminars he & his lady are le[/PDF]ading around the country that all attendees [mostly milabs] are very gifted --
& the MUFON investigator w/whom i had coffee & talked for a couple of hours told me that at a MUFON conference, when a group of abductees were together, he could feel a very strong psychic energy, tho he said that normally he didn't pick up on things like that
re being empowered & my unlimited potential -- i know -- Know -- that, when home, i am a being of much greater connection to the Creator, & therefore more of that Power
i kind of agree w/the Buddha re life here on Earth, when he said, 'Human life is conditioned & unfree'
& Jesus told us that satan rules this world
perhaps achieving full power is part of your mission here on Earth -- it is not mine, tho i do what i can to stay headed in that direction -- i can be patient, knowing this lifetime is just one
it seems that makes me a wimp in your eyes
wyn
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Posted by 9eagle9No they are not scared of you. You are under THEIR control, why should they be scared of you?
This is why I say instead of accepting the reality of one's condition, when one is ready to accept their condition only then can they have the willingness to change it, one tries to make it into something great. If you accept it, you can't deny it by slathering it in false power. That is obviously not a person who has power if it is compromised by implants. If you are feeling that way that is not empowerment. Nor should anyone ever think that is what empowerment feels like, there's not even any control over one's circumstances let alone an authentic expression of power.
I see esoteric healers do this. I have to suffer for my great healing power. I'm sensitive and sickly , and have sacrificed for my healing ability.
Then they have no healing ability if they can't heal themselves and neither can they be healing others. Who'd go to a healer who was aged, sick, weak and expect something meaningful is going to happen to their health?
You have the POTENTIAL for power, that is not expressed. If it was expressed you wouldn't be feeling this way. That is what they are concerned with--potential-- but as long as you are in this, their, condition you are not empowered.
Cheering one's self up with false sentiments doesn't fix this; removal fixes it.
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Hi wynderer, thank you for this post. Both for the feelings I got from it but even more the content and delivery as I sense you have risen above the emotions we created together (I did my part in some previous posts and I apologize for that). I feel we can now be helpful for each other and hear each other and do not need to agree, but can get the most out of our new dynamic... I was able to read your recent posts from from a yearning to learn more point of view and I gained further insights - especially from this post I quoted. I feel I know you better now and that also has increased my empathy.Quote:
Posted by wyndererhi Justone -- thanks for your courteous & thoughtful reply
also thanks for bit of info re the oldest child being targeted -- i did not know that -- i'm the oldest of 4, & my son [who left his body in '87] , also an abductee, was the oldest
i thought i'd remembered, when you first started posting here on Houman's thread, that you were also an abductee -- & i was puzzled that your posts seemed to be ignoring this part of your 'special attention' -- thanks for explaining that this focus on the astral entities is a part of your plan of action
from your post:
'I guess the point I have been trying to make in this regard is that I do not believe I can achieve a state of freedom from any archontically aligned being (physical or not) unless I am able to transform my entire being.'
my response on reading this was sadness, almost to tears, thinking , 'Here's this good & caring man taking full responsibility for unlawful & illegal intrusions/invasions into his life, & that of his family' [then i got indignant on your behalf]
also from your post:
'Regardless, I see both the physical world "archontically aligned" beings (and thus the physical abductions) to be a component of the overall "archontic matrix" which is shared by the "archontically aligned" astral beings.'
well said -- i agree -- that's the heart of the whole mess here on Earth, imo
also from your post, referring to your healing:
'I believe this can be done and done prior to leaving my physical body in this lifetime.'
i hope you are right -- i'm certainly not going to stop trying -- & something else you wrote in your post was a bit of synchronistic encouragement for me re one of the ways in my personal plan of action -- not trying to sound mysterious, but i sense it's best for me right now not to write about it
keep on flying!
wyn
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Posted by justonemanNot sure you are aware, but I have experienced a physical world event which was an abduction in that I was forced to grasp an object in my left hand against my will and this was done by beings clearly not of this earth. I have two suspicious areas which appear to be implants. My oldest son has the exact same thing in the exact same location. Neither of us had this object at birth. Mine appeared when I was about 8 years old and my son's appeared when he was about 6 years old. This oldest son of mine has had major symptoms known to be manifested by abductees. It is known that families are targeted and especially the oldest child.Quote:
Posted by wynderer
In addition to my physical experiences, have had experiences with astral entities and have focused most of my attention on these entities in my posts of the last few months.
Regardless, I see both the physical world "archontically aligned" beings (and thus the physical abductions) to be a component of the overall "archontic matrix" which is shared by the "archontically aligned" astral beings. I also see how we, as creator beings, create our own "monsters" which from refamiliarizing myself with the Steve Richards views can become actual entities themselves.
I guess the point I have been trying to make in this regard is that I do not believe I can achieve a state of freedom from any archontically aligned being (physical or not) unless I am able to transform my entire being.
I believe this can be done and done prior to leaving my physical body in this lifetime. But, perhaps the physical world itself IS the archontic realm. If that is the case, I will likely be dealing with the dilemma of whether or not I would voluntarily return. I would probably do so minimally to assist loved ones as well as any being that is caught within the matrix and wants to be free of the matrix. But I may change my mind once I am out... I don't know.
At this point in time, it is my opinion that solution for both types of experiences can be reached via the methods recommended by posters on this forum, including, but not restricted to transformation of my being via shamanic treatment (both by a shaman's direct assistance as well as learning how the shamanic process works such that I can become my own shamanic healer).
So far based on my brief application along these lines, things are working well. I have had many flying dreams of late which has always been a sign I am in a good place.
justone
What I have to offer back at this moment is that by once again picking up the Steve Richards interview (the transcript) and reading it slowly and contemplatively, I am gaining the newest insights I ever imagined. It all rings amazingly true. This guy clearly knows his stuff.
I will say that from what I have read so far, I see much similarity with Dr. Malanga's approach. Steve asks each component within a "Spirit being" (as I like to call us)... he asks permission to speak to each of these components. The Spirit, the soul, the ego self, etc. He seems to have the knowledge and experience to pick out which component is speaking. He seems able to isolate the uninvited guests as well. I, of course, am speaking of the non physical invasive entities.
What stuck me is that perhaps if an abductee such as you, that has suffered repeated abductions that appear to be primarily from the Gray/US military abduction program, which surely must be traumatic at every level of your being and which (at least as far as the Grays are involved) may have occurred in prior lifetimes... if an abductee that has had that level of repeated attention, perhaps you may also be so traumatized that you are riddled with non phsyical attachments as well.
Why I bring this up is not at all to scare you... in fact, it is meant to suggest you take a real close look at this Steve Richards material. If it clicks with you then maybe you could take the next step and hook up with either the shamanic capacity you have within yourself (I like to believe we all have this capacity) or, what may be more practical, hook up with a practicing shaman (a real one... not some pretend shaman) and experience this holographic kinetics process and clean up any attachments you may have.
It is possible that if you did this and succeeded (and I am not implying I think you have these types of attachments as I am no shaman and quite new at all this) I believe you may find a new strength within you where you might now have the ability to stop your physical abductions.
It is just an idea but it comes from the heart and my intuition was my guide in inspiring me to write this post to you.
On a personal note, when I first started posting my experience, you were one of the first to engage me and you did so from a "wanting to help" point of view and I never forgot that. We also shared some PMs and I never forgot those either. I am certain I was very, very infected at that time with these astral pests and yet you still exchanged several posts with me.
very best wishes and let's stay friends! justone
Duncan has made the same suggestion as I have. Holographic Kinetics. I don't think repeating it on his blog is particularly necessary when he's already doing it.
It's not the only solution but its a solution.
wow wynderer... I went back to my thread about what happened to me when I was 6 years old and you posted (Post #7)
I started that thread on the same day I found this thread (April 26th, 2012). I call that day my "Freedom Day" as I have never looked back! justoneman
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