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Hi DoT, I read your post this afternoon and left off my thanks until I was able to return a heartfelt reply.Quote:
Posted by Daughter of Time
I agree with you here Justone,Quote:
Posted by justonemanYes Paul - that is the same thread - started by D-Day back in January - both Amzer Zo's link and yours go to this thread... what do you think about this material, Paul? I originally read through the interviews with Steve Richards in late June/early July when Amzer Zo first started bringing it up again in this Horus-Ra thread. Honestly, I got little out of it.Quote:
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Posted by 9eagle9
Astonishingly, and because I respect Amzer Zo a great deal, I decided to go through those interviews again. I spent two hours covering the first 65% of the first interview last night and strangely, every sentence of Steve Richards came through clearly and I have so far been able to achieve a great deal of comprehension where just two months ago not much was able to sink in.
I attribute this change to a.) some positive progress I have made due to my studies (all coming from Avalonians and much of that from the Horus-Ra thread and b.) that at least one suspected entity I have been dealing with has been removed in mid July and c.) I have been fortunate that I have been able to move to a peaceful land and d.) that I am well into my new diet / cleansing routine (which is not so easy to do but has already resulted in a clearer mind).
Amazing but sadly, only good for me so far... maybe some others can be inspired by my recantings.
To Observer - again another quite powerful post. Being honest, my first feeling when I read your most recent post was a feeling of hopelessness and that perhaps I should withdraw and just wait for the day I die. Then I quickly moved out of that thought and realized abductions have occurred long before the said contract anyways and just a side note to the bigger picture. I then recalled my studies of last night and felt that surge of hope and quickly returned my optimistic resolve.
Everyone is entitled to their view and mine is that I am not nor ever will be empowered by owning a gun to defend my physical body from some other physical body threat. I really don't care what anyone does to my physical body anymore if I am stuck in living in the dynamic of "fear" because the only reason I would do so is because I am afraid something with harm my physical body or kill it AND that I must use a physical weapon to prevent that. I am not spiritually developed enough to handle that. I have to find my solution in another way, through some way that cannot result in violence to another being. I found that when I approach these concerning possibilities restricting myself from weapons, I actually, simultaneously lose the fear. I cannot explain why this is the case, but it just is. I also recall in my younger days when I thought differently and those days I was consumed by my fears.
Please, don't take what I wrote as an argument in any form. In fact, I respect others who have the spiritual maturity regarding weapons and how they might be handled. I also fully admit my abduction experience and my other anomalous experiences are nothing near the horrifying nature of DoTs and wynderers and so how can I possibly know how they should feel, react, attempt to do about what appears to be an ongoing phenomena for them.
Thanks Houman for the interviews - will watch asap as I continue through the Steve Richards material again.
Apologies I got rambly - justoneman
When i read Observer's post last night, i became so depressed that I had to sign out and sit for hours while contemplating my fate and the point of continuing a life of abductions if those abductions do not stop. While I am not a MILAB abductee, I have been an abductee since infancy (two weeks old!) so I don't know what this means in terms of contracts. I am so confused and although I am no longer angry, I felt deep despair last night, which is far worse than anger. Externally, I do not show any signs of unwellness. People think I am the picture of vibrant health. Internally, I feel like I'm dying. I know I have said this before: no medical conditions have been found for my unwelless but it became very clear back in early May, after an Orionite contact (they said they were from Orion) and I became extremely ill, that the abductions are the cause of my malaise. My apologies for dwelling on this, but I'm desperately seeking answers so Observer's post almost annihilated my hopes.
As far as owning a gun, well, first of all I don't see myself owning a gun since I hate those things. And what would be the point of owning a gun since those pesky intruders usually show up while I sleep? So, that's not an answer for me. As far as taking action with the government goes, well, please! That is not really a feasible action.
9eagle9, I appreciate your contributions and wise insights and I thank you for addressing my questions. And my apologies if I asked you something which you had previously addressed in other threads. I know you are a prolific contributor on many threads, which I am not, so I am certainly not aware of all the wisdom you have imparted. But beside one friend who understands my situation, this is the only place I can voice my concerns for I could never open up to the world out there since they wouldn't believe me and I would risk losing even more if I were to open up. I did try to open up to a friend who has published a number of books on spirituality and the after life. He does believe in abductions. He said he has repeatedly astral travelled and watched abductions and ET procedures. But he believes that they just want our ova and sperm for reproduction purposes and they are studying us, without harming us, because they are contemplating living on planet earth with us, peacefully, and sharing their knowledge! So much for that! I feel that being in a community of kindred spirits (even if there are disagreements as this is not a bad thing because it teaches us other perspectives) is the most helpful place to find answers, epiphanies, inspiration, information, to guide those who are desperately seeking it.
I have asked this question repeatedly on this thread. How does one stop abductions and regain the life force that has been lost in the process? If that is even possible! I am thankful for all the answers and all the willingness to help shown by the contributors here so please don't see me as ungrateful, but the advice on this matter is not really practical. Please don't misunderstand me here, these advices may be practical to you, the writer, but not to me, the reader. There must be more! I know it is my responsibility to find the answers. Today I don't feel despair anymore. I feel so much better than last night.
I wish there were a guide somewhere that one could follow which has been proven to work. There must be abductees out there somewhere who have found of way to stop the abductions and regained their autonomy. Truman Cash has, it seems. He's a great inspiration to me. Well, I guess I'll just have to find my own, personal way. And a way must exist! For every problem, there is a solution. So a solution can be found. Perhaps the solutions are as individual as the abduction cases. But I have to trust that a solution will be found. Living a righteous life hasn't helped me at all. There must be other ways.
Pardon me for my ramblings.
We are all different, we all go through stages of emotions. I went through the most prolonged period of despair I could ever have imagined. It began late last January and did not officially end until I found this thread on April 26th. But you have followed my progress and it is real. We can move through despair and pop out the other side and never revisit it again.
When I read your post I was at work... a new "job." One that I probably should not be caught reading a forum much less posting on one.
But I dropped everything and started to write. What I wrote summarized a significant part of what I did. I am afraid to post it because I don't want to upset anyone as sometimes people take things from me that I am implying what I state is universally true. I do my best simply to share experience and offer opinion, careful to make those opinions framed as nothing more than that.
If you want, I will PM you what I wrote... and if you feel it is ok to post, then I will post it too.
take care, justoneman
I am mostly out (I think) but you have seen me slip back at times... please, never be shy about being direct if you suspect I am slipping back. I can't wait to post about what I am getting out of this Steve Richards interview. I already want to spew it out but am being disciplined in that I will complete this round of "go through" and digest it for a few days... fascinating though how I understand this at that electrical level, and "see" how it comes through into thought, then thought forms and then can become entities unto themselves (engrams using another language?).Quote:
Posted by Amzer ZoThis is exactly the kind of phenomena 9eagle9 and I have been typing about... "progams," constructs, "cicuits," automatic shut downs, etc...Quote:
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Posted by 9eagle9
Astonishingly, and because I respect Amzer Zo a great deal, I decided to go through those interviews again. I spent two hours covering the first 65% of the first interview last night and strangely, every sentence of Steve Richards came through clearly and I have so far been able to achieve a great deal of comprehension where just two months ago not much was able to sink in.
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- justoneman
Phenomena exhibited by what I call the R6ers "skull-dwelling-zombies" who are under a perpetual hypnotic trance and under hypnotic orders not to observe the obvious. The kind that never look at the skies and see chemtrails, etc... "It's all good!" they say... it's all part of the big one all... MESS!
It also illustrates what happens on this forum (less so here) and others. To the point I keep wondering if people:
a) are reading what's written or is it an overlaid picture in their mind?
b) understand what is written?
c) have any probity at all?
Thank you, Justeone, for your honesty and having the courage to report your findings.
Glad you were able to make it out of the hypnotic trance!
I can now see so much better the soul's relationship to our Spirit as well as our other components (the soul being what these non physical pests appear interested in). That by gaining control of the soul, they are able to gain control of the Spirit and then they have you and for many lifetimes.
I can see the Grays may be (as some report) "bio-robots" but that they are minions for spirit beings who are unabashed soul "eaters" such as some Reptilians, some Pleiadians (or beings who have at least told Truman Cash that they are Pleiadians), some Orionites and some Alpha Draconians and the list goes on... but my point in naming these physical beings is that some within these groups appear to have made a conscious decision to "be" "eaters" of this energy and thus are participating in what we can call "soul farming."
I have referred to all of this as the "archontic structure."
It appears to me that the non physical beings within this structure may very well be behind it all.
That is why I have been approaching my "problem" from both directions, not just seeing this as a problem I have to deal with coming from the perspective I am Chester, this physical human being living this single, current lifetime.
I am seeing this from the Spirit perspective and that my Spirit is actually the key component of my being that has been imprisoned, that it has occurred through my allowance of the capture of my "soul" which is this residual memory I carry through from lifetime to lifetime. The "death of my physical body" component is one of the ways I become separated from my "memory" but the soul keeps it all... "knows" it all. The parasitic entities and/or their minions are able to strengthen their grip over ones soul and that is the descent into the abyss which concerns me in that what would ever be able to pull one out of such a place? I doubt we can ever be destroyed but I can see the possibility that a Spirit being sinks so deeply into this abyss that the odds they may ever get out of such a place get worse and worse if the Spirit being continues to allow their sinking.
Some of the pictures Houman has posted leads me to believe some are deeply into this abyss.
I will never stop seeking a solution yet I may have to accept the possibility that solution only can be found on the individual level and from within each individual.
justone
Hi Justone,
Unless what you have to say is extremely personal, then go ahead and post it. Don't be too afraid of being misunderstood because there will always be those who will get it. And you never know when your revelations will be meaningful to someone.
I have not had this experience. The more I de-program, the more I experience freedom and the more I experience strength.Quote:
Posted by wyndererhi Daughter of Time --
i believe that when we attempt to de-program ourselves, & begin to make some progress, we are repeatedly abducted for strong re-programming purposes -- since, as you noted in another post, they do this at night when we are sleeping -- & most of the time i am so worn out from the pain & very weird exhaustion that when i finally can sleep, i am out like a light [tho normally a light sleeper] -- it's rather a difficult problem
to cheer myself up , i sometimes think, 'Wow! i must be a powerful person , that they've implanted both my Third Eye & my root chakra , & all the other interference going on -- they must be scared of me!'
wyn
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Amzer Zo,
You are so right here! I fully understand what you're getting at. However, one can read something with intense fervor, desire, and absolutely willingness to understand, but if there are powerful programmings in the way, then the understanding will not sink in because it is being over-ridden by the previous programmings. And although I believe it is fully possible and doable to remove programmings as many have managed to do this, when you've been programmed life after life, it becomes extremely difficult. So since the first step must be to de-program oneself, that's what should be focused on first. Again, the question, how does one deprogram oneself? Yes, i know, it has been shared here, repeatedly. I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just expounding that it is difficult to clear oneself in spite of all the desire in the world to do so. If one doesn't get it, it doesn't mean that they don't want to get it. One ends up feeling stupid for not getting it, even if one is not stupid.
I worked as a teacher for a number of years. I always got my students to reach higher levels of understandings when I showed compassion. Compassion and patience are the keys. I'm not saying that you don't have compassion and patience for you certainly do. Why am I posting this? Because de-programming oneself is very difficult for some no matter how much they want to be fully de-programmed.
You can google Karla Turner and access her videos. I do remember her saying something along that line when i watched her videos. This was sometime ago so I don't remember exactly how she phrased it.Quote:
Posted by wyndereri don't recall Dr Karla Turner saying that -- could you pls direct me to the source?
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Posted by Amzer ZoTruman Cash's, karla Turner's, B. Bartholic's, Mangala's, etc, researches squarely disagrree with that statement.Quote:
Posted by observer
Abductions have been going on for eons.
Hence that statement, to the contrary of being all inclusive, is derived from only ONE particular group of ETs that made it "legal" with ONE Earth's government.
In other words, in spite of claiming and clamoring it (to seemingly make it logical and scientific), that statement is not supported by evidence.
I even had a "vivid dream" (which perhaps was not a dream) where I was inside a Gray implant vehicle and the Grays even showed me the implant they were putting in me (was a glassy looking slightly crescent shaped, jet black object about 1.5 inches long) and I recalled not being angry. This was sometime last May and I posted about it.
Is it possible I just don't "fight it" and that is why I am not seeing these possible abductions as "negative?" That is very possible.
You know? I know this... perhaps it is because I became so depressed after the two suicide attempts (the biggest part of my depression was because I didn't even have it in me to kill myself) and that I went through the above mentioned 3 full months of constant despair that, that is what made the difference for me. I am so convinced that nothing could ever happen to me any more that could be anywhere near as horrific as that three months of constant wishing I would die and all that inner crying over leaving my loved ones if I did but living as I was was even worse for them.
That was it. That is why I am like I am now... all and only about solutions. All and only that there has to be a solution to all this and for everyone.
justthetruth from justoneman
One does not deprogram themselves without help. One can initiate managing themselves but as the HK demonstrates if you can't see your own programming how are you going to remove it on your own? You can't remove what you can't admit to, let alone can't see.
If I had cancer and didn't know it how would I cure it, remove it. How would I even do something like that if I couldn't admit I had it in the first place.
One reaches a certain point of clarity when they can detect their own programs but people need facilitation to get the process going.
Primarily one needs to be willing to look at themselves.
[QUOTE=wynderer;540145]hi 9Eagle9,
i don't think/feel they have complete control of me
re the being scared of me -- there seems be some truth to the theory that both abductees & milabs are chosen for our intelligence & psychic gifts -- Duncan O'Finiaon is reporting from the seminars he & his lady are leading around the country that all attendees [mostly milabs] are very gifted --
& the MUFON investigator w/whom i had coffee & talked for a couple of hours told me that at a MUFON conference, when a group of abductees were together, he could feel a very strong psychic energy, tho he said that normally he didn't pick up on things like that
re being empowered & my unlimited potential -- i know -- Know -- that, when home, i am a being of much greater connection to the Creator, & therefore more of that Power
i kind of agree w/the Buddha re life here on Earth, when he said, 'Human life is conditioned & unfree'
& Jesus told us that satan rules this world
perhaps achieving full power is part of your mission here on Earth -- it is not mine, tho i do what i can to stay headed in that direction -- i can be patient, knowing this lifetime is just one
it seems that makes me a wimp in your eyes
wyn
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Well Wyn,
While it may be somewhat true that abductees are chosen because of their intelligence or psychic gifts or whatever other abilities, this does not make for an even remotely comforting thought. We should be able and allowed to use our intelligence, gifts and abilities for our own advancement and for the advancement of humanity, and not for the advancement of parasites and the debasement of our species.
Hi Dot - this was actually inspired by the post just after the one I quoted of yours above... you did two back to back... ok Here Goes...Quote:
Posted by Daughter of Time
DoT –
I can explain to you the process I have gone through to do “some” unprogramming.
I performed the following exercise... just pretending, just exploring “point of view.”
I went to the beginning and thought if I be God, the Creator, prior to creation then what?
I spent years contemplating this and I came up with two things. I would be lonely (being the all that is and thus the only one) and I would be bored (knowing all thus what else could there be to experience?)
From those two directions I would cast myself into the midst of a creation so incredibly vast that I could never get bored and with so many forms of “me” I would not only never be lonely, I might not even realize there’s this “big me” behind it all.
It was then that I realized I was just one of those “me s” and that all “life” that has form within the “big me” is other forms of the “casted in” “big me.”
Then I examined the boredom aspect and realized what it would be like to be one of the forms of the “casted in me” that perhaps had lost sight of the fact all forms within the “big me” are to be no less respected than “I” (a specific instance of a “casted in me’). I realized these types of “casted in me s” are perhaps what has taken charge of the local experience I find myself in now – this “matrix.”
Now I cannot say what I just described is true, but I tried the concept out for myself as if it were true and found that it may have some validity (but again, only for me).
Having reached that point, I had to accept that I am a single, unique example of the “big me” and thus, using metaphor, a “child of big me.”
Once I accepted that, I realized my power to create.
After exploring a little too much from the “bored” point of view, where I saw I had become a little bit too selfish which I discovered because I found myself isolating myself from other “cast in me s” (and thus started to become lonely), I accepted that I am happiest when I balance my selfishness with consideration to other “casted in me s.”
And that is life for me, a constant attempt at balancing my desire to not be lonely with my dislike for being bored.
By going through the above simple exercise, I realized that everything else I thought, was simply ideas contrived beyond the simple dynamic I just described above, and thus all my own creations. It was then I realized that I had complete and full responsibility for every single thing that occurred in my life. I had somehow created it. Maybe not in this lifetime, maybe not in any lifetime on this planet, maybe not even in my physical form, but somewhere back up the line I created my current perceived dilemmas.
Coming to that realization was very, very relieving. It meant I am not a victim of anyone or anything other than myself. It empowered me that I could find my way out of my self created delusions. It made me realize all I had to do is unravel, one at a time, all the lies I told myself along my many previous experiences. If I could undo all those, and still be alive in this body within this lifetime, I would be able to experience the material world while simultaneously being free.
It does not mean bad things may not ever happen to me again. But I will no longer delude myself that the bad things that do are only coming from an outside agency not connected with myself. I am connected somehow or another to those happenings. I am somehow even if extremely remotely responsible – very empowering to have this point of view!
I also no longer fear death as what is death? I don’t even know anymore. I already did out of body stuff so I know from direct experience there is no end.
Can you see all the unprogramming I have done just by exploring a point of view?
I simplified how I got to this place I am at in the now moment. I simplified how I got born into this body and into this life and into this confused place. And I tried that view as nothing more than an opinion. But the opinion grew into a likely reality (again, just for me).
I started out as a "casted in me" - a child of "creation" - and thus only a one-off from my parent(s).
I then looked at the "me," Chester, that was born 55 years ago into this body on this planet and accepted that THIS version of "me" was in a state of complete and utter confusion.
And then I realized my "core" which I like to call, my "spirit" is the same exact spirit at the base of that original "me" as it is in the "me" of today.
So I looked at how I could be in this state from both directions and was able to connect those dots.
That was the huge part because by being able to connect those dots brings me to my truth, I am and always will be simply a one-off from my "Parent(s)", that I am the next in line after them, that I have all and everything they had (have) including the ability to create everything in my experience, which includes the ability to create a world where I can be "casted-in" and experience total, utter, all but hopeless confusion.
What a challenge!
Anyway, that’s how I did it.
I suggest you consider exploring deeply your various points of view. You may find you can discard the ones that are BS if you examine them one by one. Slowly but surely you reach a point where the genuine you begins to coalesce and THAT is the place I reached the last month or so and I did it by pouring everything out on this forum. With little to no fear of what others might think. By not only being honest with myself, but testing my truths by sharing them with others, I have been able to peel away layer after layer of this huge and horrid onion I created.
See, I realized this. I told myself a lie somewhere long ago (or I bought into someone else’s lie… but the “who” that told it really doesn’t matter because the “who” is always ultimately “a casted in me” which is a child of “big me” which makes it either me that told that first lie or a sister/brother.
Now after I told myself the first lie, I told myself another, then another and another. At some point I got so lost in all my lies, I had no idea what was true or not anymore. I guess we call that a state of utter confusion.
And then I realized the outer is nothing more than a reflection of my inner. And thus if the outer world does not make sense, then I must have screwed up my inner world.
And so I realized I could incarnate (become a new version of the “casted in me”) and that I could incarnate completely confused.
And that was why I did the exercise I described above. So that I could see and understand “why poor me” and why I could be capable of creating an illusion.
I believe, once all this settles in, one can simply decide to keep creating illusions (some might want to say “making” illusions) or I could be the real me and see how that goes for awhile. This is what I have been doing for a good stretch now. And I found that this new “mostly real” me creates real stuff. And people in my life are affected by my creations completely differently than ever before and I understand why. What I created before was not real… like 9eagle9 points out… artificial. I made, I did not create. Thus everything I made was artificial and found a way to making its own end. When we create, when it is real, it continues because it comes from the principles of truth and that gives it real life, not a mortal thing.
Anyways – that is in large part what I have done – I could not resolve my issues by approaching the problem because the problem was so intricate, complex, thus all but impossible to undo from that direction alone, I had to approach “me” from the point of my own creation and even from the point of uncreation.
Coming at me from both directions has (at least it seems so in the now) been one of the most significant exercises I have performed in seeking to obtain my solution.
I believe I will never revisit that hell again in this lifetime. Even if the sun blows a huge flare and the world grid goes down and all humanity panics. I have my own solutions and have no fears in implementing them, even if that means jumping into the sea never to return to shore in this lifetime.
justoneman
It is not my intention of disagreeing with you, Amzer.Quote:
Posted by Amzer ZoTruman Cash's, karla Turner's, B. Bartholic's, Mangala's, etc, researches squarely disagrree with that statement.Quote:
Posted by observer
Abductions have been going on for eons. [emphasis added by observer]
Hence that statement, to the contrary of being all inclusive, is derived from only ONE particular group of ETs that made it "legal" with ONE Earth's government.
In other words, in spite of claiming and clamoring it (to seemingly make it logical and scientific), that statement is not supported by evidence.
From the evidence I've researched it is apparent the abductions have been continuing since the Dawn of Man. All one need do is research the Nag Hammadi Library and one will agree with your highlighted statement.
It is also apparent from the research into the Archon phenomenon, and from the descriptions of antiquity, that those referred to as "Archons" in antiquity were nothing more than those little Grey Aliens that we are all familiar with, today.
Yes, I also agree there are many species of aliens visiting this planet. Some of these MAY be abducting human beings.
From my years of research into the issue, I must conclude the obtrusive abductions are being conducted by the group of aliens (Greys included) that are in league with the Reptilian Overlords to this planet. It is these allied Greys that have most recently written and signed contracts with some of the governments of the world. It is The Reptilian Overlords whom John Lear does not speak of, but makes reference to, here:
My point is:Quote:
From the written text of the John Lear Disclosure, found here: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2003/11/02
And we found out so far there are 18 different alien species that we know about monitoring Earth. Some are good and some are hostile, most are indifferent. We found out that we are the experimental product, if you will, of an alien race who we never met and we don't know who they are. All we know is that the Greys are cybernetic organisms, glorified robots if you will, who work here at the behest of their employers monitoring us through abductions. We were never able to find out what the experiment is all about except that we have been externally corrected about 65 times. And they, the aliens, refer to us as "Containers." There's been speculation that the souls our bodies contain is the reason for the experiments. But nothing's been proven or determined.
[emphasis added by observer]
Although there may be many species of aliens visiting this planet, there is only ONE species that controls the soul farming operation of the human experiment here on this planet. That species is Reptilian, and may be hyperdimensional in form (extra-dimensional) and has been referred to as such throughout the mythologies of antiquity. These Reptilian Overlords have used many different groups of aliens as allies throughout history. Among these allies to the Reptilian Overlords, throughout the history of Man, have been the Pleiadians, those aliens described as from Orion, those described as from Draco, and various species of gray aliens, among whom some may also be biological robotoids.
I, as a personal preference, do not trust any species of aliens visiting this planet. I particularly DO NOT trust any form of telepathically implanted thought. The evidence is clear that there are Archons patrolling the Akashic Records for anyone doing any sort of remote viewing of these records. These Archons are there to confuse the message, which they do very well.
This point of view is purely my personal interpretation of the evidence I've researched. You can take it or leave it. I'm making no special claim with regard to it. I'm seeking no profit from these disclosures.
And, as always, I wish to end with:
They are very clever at what they do....
Not off topic but one of our intrepid members provided us with a copy of Population Control Protocol- A Peace Program. Complete with script and audio (if the script doesn't get you , you know)
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...366#post540366
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In response to all the members who have found some sort of 'shock' or 'horror' from the comments I've been making within this thread, get used to it, and get over it.
This has always been a Prison Planet. There has never been a 'Bright New Day' here. It is simply one more empty promise and a part of the Big Lie.
The only chance for anything better is to figure-out how to remove one's eternal soul from this place of Abject Evil.
My comments are designed to stimulate input into the 'Getting-Out' exit strategies necessary to extract one's soul-self from this matrix.
For, believe it or not, we are all trapped within this matrix. This is the hidden meaning of the Ouroboros.
I agree 100% with every single word of this post. I am unsure if you read a post I made in the last 24 hours where I pointed out just about the same thing you did.Quote:
Posted by observerIt is not my intention of disagreeing with you, Amzer.Quote:
Posted by Amzer ZoTruman Cash's, karla Turner's, B. Bartholic's, Mangala's, etc, researches squarely disagrree with that statement.Quote:
Posted by observer
Abductions have been going on for eons. [emphasis added by observer]
Hence that statement, to the contrary of being all inclusive, is derived from only ONE particular group of ETs that made it "legal" with ONE Earth's government.
In other words, in spite of claiming and clamoring it (to seemingly make it logical and scientific), that statement is not supported by evidence.
From the evidence I've researched it is apparent the abductions have been continuing since the Dawn of Man. All one need do is research the Nag Hammadi Library and one will agree with your highlighted statement.
It is also apparent from the research into the Archon phenomenon, and from the descriptions of antiquity, that those referred to as "Archons" in antiquity were nothing more than those little Grey Aliens that we are all familiar with, today.
Yes, I also agree there are many species of aliens visiting this planet. Some of these MAY be abducting human beings.
From my years of research into the issue, I must conclude the obtrusive abductions are being conducted by the group of aliens (Greys included) that are in league with the Reptilian Overlords to this planet. It is these allied Greys that have most recently written and signed contracts with some of the governments of the world. It is The Reptilian Overlords whom John Lear does not speak of, but makes reference to, here:
My point is:Quote:
From the written text of the John Lear Disclosure, found here: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2003/11/02
And we found out so far there are 18 different alien species that we know about monitoring Earth. Some are good and some are hostile, most are indifferent. We found out that we are the experimental product, if you will, of an alien race who we never met and we don't know who they are. All we know is that the Greys are cybernetic organisms, glorified robots if you will, who work here at the behest of their employers monitoring us through abductions. We were never able to find out what the experiment is all about except that we have been externally corrected about 65 times. And they, the aliens, refer to us as "Containers." There's been speculation that the souls our bodies contain is the reason for the experiments. But nothing's been proven or determined.
[emphasis added by observer]
Although there may be many species of aliens visiting this planet, there is only ONE species that controls the soul farming operation of the human experiment here on this planet. That species is Reptilian, and may be hyperdimensional in form (extra-dimensional) and has been referred to as such throughout the mythologies of antiquity. These Reptilian Overlords have used many different groups of aliens as allies throughout history. Among these allies to the Reptilian Overlords, throughout the history of Man, have been the Pleiadians, those aliens described as from Orion, those described as from Draco, and various species of gray aliens, among whom some may also be biological robotoids.
I, as a personal preference, do not trust any species of aliens visiting this planet. I particularly DO NOT trust any form of telepathically implanted thought. The evidence is clear that there are Archons patrolling the Akashic Records for anyone doing any sort of remote viewing of these records. These Archons are there to confuse the message, which they do very well.
This point of view is purely my personal interpretation of the evidence I've researched. You can take it or leave it. I'm making no special claim with regard to it. I'm seeking no profit from these disclosures.
And, as always, I wish to end with:
They are very clever at what they do....
I might add that I happen to have a theory as to which "ET" group may be our "parent" from the point of view of the creator of our physical apparatus or container if you will (the human body as we know it today). That does not mean these ET parents are our "Creator" for those who require this distinction as there is no reason we may not ultimately have an original "parent."
And since I brought that up, I will add something that would likely be controversial... (this is not at all pointed to you, observer - again, GREAT post!)
I experimenting with the idea of a "God, my (our) Creator" from the perspective of worshiping that "Creator." I discovered that when I lived my life "worshiping" this potential originator of my core being, my Spirit, that I found myself experiencing a world where there were the worshiped and the worshipers. I began to notice this dynamic at the core of every single relationship I entered into. In time, I found I much preferred to be the worshiped than a worshiper in most of my relationships.
Eventually (because of this dynamic) I achieved almost total isolation and became a true hermit. I then got very lonely. So, I began to question worship. Once I began to question, I eventually reached doubt about worship. Once I reached doubt, I decided to discard worship altogether. Once I did that, I experienced a void. A void that lasted until I found a worthy replacement. And that replacement was respect.
A simple thing, respect yet so so so difficult to apply. But I began to do it and so far, from my experience, being vigilant at respecting everyone, all life, all things in that all has the right to exist (even the thought forms we create that grow into actual entities all on their own), my life has changed completely and for the better.
So what I have been doing as a side project amongst my many projects is going through the dictionary regarding the most commonly used words within my own vocabulary and examining these words as to whether or not I want them in my active vocabulary in that I accept the dynamic the word fits into. See, all words inherently imply "and not this."
In fact (again, opinion only) words are perhaps the very heaviest anchors of the ship we are on which holds us firmly in duality.
Has any war ever started where it did not begin first with words?
Sorry I get this way...
justoneman (in the morning and with perhaps too much coffee)
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Its so strange - I remember when I was able to discover something like this and because the writer had a way with words, I was easily sucked in.Quote:
Posted by 9eagle9
Today though, curious about this link, I went to the thread. I looked for the "target" post and started to read and immediately saw it as nothing different than Orwellian newspeak - putting all but completely disconnected words together in pairs such that an innocent reader, that could be mesmerized by the word master, would be hurled further into the pit of confusion and buy it all.
Un Freaking Real! And what's scary is that I can still remember when I would have not only bought it all... I would have been seeking ways to sell it too!
Thank you, 9eagle9 for being one of the most effective posters I have come to know in our community. You, along with NancyV, Amzer Zo and GripReaper have shaken me out of my trance. Yes, many others but you are my Fantastic Four!
justone
Perhaps the planet can be characterized as a Prison Planet (amongst many other characterizations).Quote:
Posted by observer
But you lose me completely with the "get out with your soul alive" statement if you do not include consideration of the rest of us. And I am not suggesting you don't, but I do not see any suggestion that you do.
I have read many of your posts and I get the impression that you (at your core level of being... that which I believe is your Spirit) might be here intentionally to help others get out. But that's just my opinion.
Anyways, I can only speak for myself and I have discovered that core component within me which has this intention. It is selfish - being a helper... I can admit it. But its what fulfills me. In being honest though, most folks I think I have helped so far in most cases would see it differently... haha, but that is another matter.
Anyways, its funny how we can agree on so much and yet also find where we completely disagree!
Life on Earth in 2012! Gotta love it.
Cheers, justoneman
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I'm certain wynderer would concur, Sebastion,Quote:
Posted by Sebastion
You are free to choose whatever resonates within your heart. Here is a link to a website where you might find all the tripe that you are subscribing to.
There is a section of this forum that is dedicated specifically to the 'brain manure' being proposed by individuals such as Sheldon Nidle.
I (and I'm certain, wanderer in bumping my comment) am simply pointing to evidence that is contrary to the New Age Hypothesis. This is the root basis for (I'm also certain) Houman's creating this thread of exceptional evidence that is all contrary to the New Age Hypothesis.
.... and to Justoneman's comment #1740:
.... I would reiterate what I've said so often throughout the forums:Quote:
Posted by justoneman
If you so believe this planet is such a wonderful place to be in 2012, "just ask that Afghani Mother, sitting in the bombed-out rubble of her home, holding her dead infant, if she feels as though her thoughts have in any way created her reality, today."
We are all - by the rules of karma - subject to the consequences of our life actions. Not a single one of us knows the rules by which we exist within this Prison Matrix. These rules are purposely obscured from The Mass of Humanity for the reasons that I make the comments that I do.
It is the obligation of each individual to find his own eternal soul's way out of this nightmare and back to the Unconditional Love of the Great Spirit.
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Wyn,Quote:
Posted by wyndererhi Daughter of Time --Quote:
Posted by Daughter of Time
i agree that we should be allowed to freely use our gifts -- as i also think that this planet was intended by the Creator to be a paradise, & there should be no wars, no children being tortured & killed in rituals, no continuing mass slaughter of billions of animals every year, etc, etc
but this is the world we are living in now -- when i place my own personal abduction-messed -with life in the context of the bigger picture, i figure it's just my own personal little burden to carry here -- not fun, but, as i said, life on Earth at this time is not fun for many of us here, including the non-Human Animals
While it is true that many poor souls out there have suffered far worse fates than yours or mine and many carry far heavier burdens than yours or mine or anyone's here, our fates and burdens should never be accepted with complacency because if we should all feel that way, then they have won, completely, and we are nothing but willing slaves who will die by the hands of their cruel masters.
In an earlier post you said that you realize this is only one life. I conclude that you mean that you believe you'll have other chances in the future to create better lives. But if you don't try to free yourself from their manipulations, at whatever level you are capable of now, then guess what? Your future lives will not be any better! And next time around you'll once again say: this is only one life! And so you can go through millenia telling yourself that this is only one life and the next one will be better, and that's exactly what they want you to think. Don't give into that way of thinking! It will not serve you! You have to do what you can, now!
Please understand that I'm not judging you here. I'm not against you. I feel for what you've been through for although your journey may be been unlike mine in many ways, I do understand the suffering of an abductee because I am one too. But I'll never submissively accept it as a mere condition of living on earth. And while Terra may be a prison planet, I have to believe that prisons can be destroyed, that the gates can be opened, and that eventually we can be free. Those who imprison us may be powerful, but they manage to do what they do with tricks, and the tricks are slowly being exposed. And I refuse to believe that there is no hope for humankind. While others may believe it is foolish of me to feel that we can regain our birthrights to be free beings, if I believe that, then I'm doomed; I'll slide into a state of impotent depression and I will not give into that. If I'd given into that way of thinking, I don't think I would have survived what i've been through.
In another post you encouraged me to become a warrior. A warrior doesn't accept injustice of gargantuan proportions as what we are experiencing right now. A warrior fights for what is right. I don't know how to begin this fight. Right now I'm simply beginning with my intent to set myself free at whatever levels possible. Intent is the first step.
So Wyn, again, this is not criticism, but since you like to tell people to become warrior/esses, then be one yourself. I do realize you are unwell and maybe feel lost and incapable of executing any changes. Start by removing your apathy towards your condition. That would be one step in the right direction.
Observer's advice to prepare to leave the planet is a thoughtful and noble one, but most people are not ready to do that at the particular point in time. I don't know if it's possible to leave the planet by merely wishing it. I think that first the veils have to be removed, programmings have to be changed, feelings of victimization or complacency will have to be annihilated, complete understanding of the situation has to be reached, and if I should ever reach the point when all the above clutter is cleared, I think I'd want to stay here to enlighten others. It may be ridiculously naive of me to think this is possible, but if I had one wish, this is what my wish would be.