It wasn't until I saw Threads that I found that something on screen could make me break out in a cold, shivering sweat and keep me in that condition for 20 minutes, followed by weeks of depression and anxiety.
—‚Peter Bradshaw, The Guardian
An unforgettable lesson in true horror.
— Sam Toy, Empire
The most devastating piece of television ever produced. So completely harrowing you'll think that you'll probably never want to watch it again.
— Jonathan Hatfull, SciFiNow
~~~
Personally, I've seen it twice. Once live on TV in 1984, and then again a couple of years ago. Twice is truly enough for one lifetime.:flower:
:focus:
21st November 2024 21:44
Bill Ryan
Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia
An addendum to the above post, in case any readers might (understandably!) be feeling anxious about these new developments.
This is not going to go nuclear. That's not going to happen.
:heart: :grouphug: :heart:
21st November 2024 22:07
grapevine
Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia
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Posted by Bill Ryan
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Posted by ExomatrixTV
Movie broadcasted in 1984 (40 years ago) on BBC UK 🇬🇧
It wasn't until I saw Threads that I found that something on screen could make me break out in a cold, shivering sweat and keep me in that condition for 20 minutes, followed by weeks of depression and anxiety.
—‚Peter Bradshaw, The Guardian
An unforgettable lesson in true horror.
— Sam Toy, Empire
The most devastating piece of television ever produced. So completely harrowing you'll think that you'll probably never want to watch it again.
— Jonathan Hatfull, SciFiNow
~~~
Personally, I've seen it twice. Once live on TV in 1984, and then again a couple of years ago. Twice is truly enough for one lifetime.:flower:
:focus:
I saw this quite recently, as already mentioned on the Annie Jacobsen thread, and that is why I feel jittery about the current situation. It wasn't the explosion itself or the initial injuries, although they were bad enough, but the awful effects of radiation sickness, no food, no medicine and no hope for decades/generations afterwards, conveyed absolutely no hope and a horrible, lingering, living death. Sigh . . .
While writing, hats off to John Exomatrix Kuhles, whose keyboard must be smouldering due to his tireless and detailed postings across many threads, particularly in the past few weeks. Much appreciated, thank you John :thumbsup:
21st November 2024 22:11
jaybee
Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia
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God only knows enough damage can be done with advanced 'conventional' weapons - but it may be that Nuclear War in the way people think about it.....and fear it..... isn't physically possible - ie. a nuclear detonation powerful enough for the space/time ripping mushroom cloud cannot happen anywhere.... anytime -
an actual nuclear exchange where nuclear warheads are flying around willy nilly just may not be possible...
this is a light weight video on the (very heavy) subject ....
The Nuclear Secret : Barry Smith and the Harmonic Discoveries of Bruce L. Cathie(6:22)
At 6.22 in the new video below, Judge Napolitano asks Col. Douglas Macgregor about the Russian strike with their new Oreshnik hypersonic ballistic missile.
For anyone who may appreciate Macgregor as I do, it's worth listening to. As the video progresses, in all the time I've been following him I've never heard Macgregor so angry.
A wonderful YouTube comment below the video, worth quoting in full. :heart:
A message to Russia. Neither I, nor my family, nor any acquaintance of mine, nor do the American people at large wish you any harm. I respect Putin, care about the Russian people and in no way desire a war. Please understand we are held captive by a murderous cabal and they do not represent the American people on either side of the aisle. I implore Mr Putin to be the adult in the room and protect our children as well as those in Russia.
21st November 2024 23:51
ExomatrixTV
Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia
Biden's "Reckless" Decision To Escalate Russia-Ukraine War Highlights His Failures, w/ Jeffrey Sachs:
Megyn Kelly is joined by Jeffrey Sachs, Columbia University professor, to talk about the Biden administration’s controversial decision to further escalate the Russia-Ukraine as a lame duck president, the potential risks this action has for the U.S., how Biden’s handling of the war reflects broader failures in his foreign policy, and more.
22nd November 2024 02:51
Mike Gorman
Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia
Quite a dramatic development with the Biden faction (not Biden himself) in the Pentagon striving to retain a grip on the Ukraine situation and say to the American people: even though you have have mandated Trump conclusively, WE still have control over this matter and we can do as we wish...Starmer and the entrenched Russophobes in the British intelligence/establishment brandishing their flaccid private parts, with an army the size of an average soccer stadium audience. I think you are right Bill, this will not be the final nuclear showdown, the Davos/WEF/EU/NATO club might wish to demonstrate their power, but Trump/Musk are talking with Putin, no doubt saying "this is not the true American policy, give me the next 2 months to do my work and Russia will obtain satisfaction, we want to do business!" Of course I don't know but this is what my instincts tell me. Nobody sane wants a nuclear war...come on! Threads - yes it is raw, it was successful in portraying how the war will affect ordinary people, on the ground level - awful!!!
22nd November 2024 03:23
Moemers
Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia
Quote:
Posted by Bill Ryan
An addendum to the above post, in case any readers might (understandably!) be feeling anxious about these new developments.
This is not going to go nuclear. That's not going to happen.
:heart: :grouphug: :heart:
can you say more about this?
22nd November 2024 03:24
seehas
Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia
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Posted by Moemers
Quote:
Posted by Bill Ryan
An addendum to the above post, in case any readers might (understandably!) be feeling anxious about these new developments.
This is not going to go nuclear. That's not going to happen.
:heart: :grouphug: :heart:
can you say more about this?
The kids are not allowed to destroy the sandbox. (sorry for comparing mother earth :heart:gaia:heart: with a sandbox :ROFL:)
its all about generating low vibrations, dont let the fear get to you.
22nd November 2024 03:35
Bill Ryan
Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia
Quote:
Posted by Moemers
Quote:
Posted by Bill Ryan
An addendum to the above post, in case any readers might (understandably!) be feeling anxious about these new developments.
This is not going to go nuclear. That's not going to happen.
:heart: :grouphug: :heart:
can you say more about this?
Yes, of course. Here and now would be off-topic, and I need more time to write quite a long post on a new thread, on my To Do list for tomorrow.
:focus:
22nd November 2024 04:38
Mike Gorman
Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia
Putin is not a maniac, nor is he stupid, he is not morally evil either - of course in my opinion - he knows very well what is happening, this directive for Ukraine to access ATACMS & U.K Stormshadow missiles, is clearly a 'flexing' from the crew who occupy the lever-room of the Pentagon (very complex relationships with Davos/EU contingencies) - they are massively miffed by the recent electoral thrashing received: the Trump faction was ready for their tricks, I note that extensive groups were actively fighting the cheating, along with legal teams and courts poised to adjudicate - the outcome was expected but not the scale of this. Putin knows he only has to wait out until January 20 before a major shift in the American attitude, kinetic policies shall be executed; but he meanwhile has to contend with this outrageous insult, the deliberate shift in policy. Why would he attack with nuclear weapons and risk the global catastrophe of a final exchange when a mere 8 weeks will see a completely fresh chapter being opened? Just my two cents worth.
22nd November 2024 07:11
Eric J (Viking)
Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia
Quote:
Posted by seehas
Quote:
Posted by Moemers
Quote:
Posted by Bill Ryan
An addendum to the above post, in case any readers might (understandably!) be feeling anxious about these new developments.
This is not going to go nuclear. That's not going to happen.
:heart: :grouphug: :heart:
can you say more about this?
The kids are not allowed to destroy the sandbox. (sorry for comparing mother earth :heart:gaia:heart: with a sandbox :ROFL:)
its all about generating low vibrations, dont let the fear get to you.
Hey Seehas
No need to apologise, your explanation is spot on. 👍
22nd November 2024 08:22
Violet3
Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia
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Posted by Mike Gorman
Quite a dramatic development with the Biden faction (not Biden himself) in the Pentagon striving to retain a grip on the Ukraine situation and say to the American people: even though you have have mandated Trump conclusively, WE still have control over this matter and we can do as we wish...Starmer and the entrenched Russophobes in the British intelligence/establishment brandishing their flaccid private parts, with an army the size of an average soccer stadium audience. I think you are right Bill, this will not be the final nuclear showdown, the Davos/WEF/EU/NATO club might wish to demonstrate their power, but Trump/Musk are talking with Putin, no doubt saying "this is not the true American policy, give me the next 2 months to do my work and Russia will obtain satisfaction, we want to do business!" Of course I don't know but this is what my instincts tell me. Nobody sane wants a nuclear war...come on! Threads - yes it is raw, it was successful in portraying how the war will affect ordinary people, on the ground level - awful!!!
Two months of putting up with this escalation by the US or whoever is running it could damage a lot of Russia. Maybe Putin will not go nuclear but he will have to do something significant if the assault continues IMO. The attack is clearly provocative but it is not reasonable to think the people of Russia will tolerate their leaders sitting on their hands and waiting for Trump, or believing any assurances any American leader provides.
22nd November 2024 08:41
Bruce G Charlton
Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia
@Mike "Trump/Musk are talking with Putin"
Surely Musk could end the war today, if he denied the US access to "his" satellite surveillance data?
@violet3 "it is not reasonable to think the people of Russia will tolerate their leaders sitting on their hands and waiting for Trump, or believing any assurances any American leader provides"
I agree. Unless Russia does something big, nobody will believe their threats and this will further embolden the escalators.
And there is the point that Russia have said several times, and it is true, that even if Trump is personally sincere and will follow-through (both of which I personally doubt); the USA have repeatedly shown themselves "agreement incapable" - so their assurances, promises, contracts, treaties mean nothing (and sometimes even the opposite of what they say).
Furthermore, I suppose that the escalations will most likely continue as they have been doing for many months, with US (or UK, or French, or German) controlled missiles being used to attack something really significant and dangerous such as a nuclear power station, or parts of the early warning system.
22nd November 2024 10:43
Tintin
Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia
Quote:
Posted by Miller
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Posted by Bill Ryan
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Posted by ExomatrixTV
Some reviews: (posted here as a caveat :flower:)
It wasn't until I saw Threads that I found that something on screen could make me break out in a cold, shivering sweat and keep me in that condition for 20 minutes, followed by weeks of depression and anxiety.
—‚Peter Bradshaw, The Guardian
An unforgettable lesson in true horror.
— Sam Toy, Empire
The most devastating piece of television ever produced. So completely harrowing you'll think that you'll probably never want to watch it again.
— Jonathan Hatfull, SciFiNow
~~~
Personally, I've seen it twice. Once live on TV in 1984, and then again a couple of years ago. Twice is truly enough for one lifetime.:flower:
:focus:
I saw this quite recently, as already mentioned on the Annie Jacobsen thread, and that is why I feel jittery about the current situation. It wasn't the explosion itself or the initial injuries, although they were bad enough, but the awful effects of radiation sickness, no food, no medicine and no hope for decades/generations afterwards, conveyed absolutely no hope and a horrible, lingering, living death. Sigh . . .
And when one has watched those films ( :flower: ) one may wish to acquaint themselves with this piece which Bill had shared, and either one of he or I had saved to our library.
IF this is how decisions are actually made, and, for what it's worth, there's something really very real about it, then there may be very good reason to be concerned. If one considers this a simulation in the way of something akin to 'Event 201', we may need to buckle up, although I share Bill's view that this won't all go nuclear.
Still.....
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World War Three - Inside The War Room (2016) | BBC docudrama
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As a further gentle reminder: Threads has been in our library, since 2018 :handshake:
22nd November 2024 12:45
Mike Gorman
Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia
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Posted by Violet3
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Posted by Mike Gorman
Quite a dramatic development with the Biden faction (not Biden himself) in the Pentagon striving to retain a grip on the Ukraine situation and say to the American people: even though you have have mandated Trump conclusively, WE still have control over this matter and we can do as we wish...Starmer and the entrenched Russophobes in the British intelligence/establishment brandishing their flaccid private parts, with an army the size of an average soccer stadium audience. I think you are right Bill, this will not be the final nuclear showdown, the Davos/WEF/EU/NATO club might wish to demonstrate their power, but Trump/Musk are talking with Putin, no doubt saying "this is not the true American policy, give me the next 2 months to do my work and Russia will obtain satisfaction, we want to do business!" Of course I don't know but this is what my instincts tell me. Nobody sane wants a nuclear war...come on! Threads - yes it is raw, it was successful in portraying how the war will affect ordinary people, on the ground level - awful!!!
Two months of putting up with this escalation by the US or whoever is running it could damage a lot of Russia. Maybe Putin will not go nuclear but he will have to do something significant if the assault continues IMO. The attack is clearly provocative but it is not reasonable to think the people of Russia will tolerate their leaders sitting on their hands and waiting for Trump, or believing any assurances any American leader provides.
Putin and the Russian forces are doing something, they are decimating the Kiev forces, and now have demonstrated their new hypersonic missile - make no mistake the NATO forces know precisely what this signifies, even using conventional ordinance Russia can inflict deadly damage wherever they choose, no one can shoot these down.
Statement by the President of the Russian Federation
November 21, 2024
20:10
Moscow, Kremlin
V. Putin:
I would like to inform the personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the citizens of our country, our friends around the world, as well as those who continue to harbor illusions about the possibility of inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia, about the events that are taking place today in the zone of the special military operation, namely after the use of long-range weapons of Western manufacture on our territory.
Continuing the course of escalating the conflict in Ukraine provoked by the West, the United States and its NATO allies have previously announced that they are giving permission for the use of their long-range precision weapons systems on the territory of the Russian Federation. Experts are well aware, and the Russian side has repeatedly emphasized, that it is impossible to use such weapons without the direct participation of military specialists from the countries that produce such weapons.
On November 19, six US-made ATACMS operational-tactical missiles and on November 21, during a combined missile attack by the UK-made Storm Shadow and US-made HIMARS systems, military facilities were struck on the territory of the Russian Federation – in the Bryansk and Kursk regions. From that moment on, as we have repeatedly emphasized earlier, the regional conflict in Ukraine provoked by the West acquired elements of a global nature. Our air defense systems repelled these attacks. As a result, the goals that the enemy obviously set for itself were not achieved.
The fire that broke out at an ammunition depot in the Bryansk region from falling ATACMS missile fragments has been extinguished, there are no casualties or serious damage. In the Kursk region, an attack was carried out on one of the command posts of our "North" group. As a result of the attack and anti-aircraft combat, there are, unfortunately, casualties, deaths and wounded among the personnel of the external security units of the facility and service personnel. The command and operational personnel of the control point were not injured and are conducting, in a routine mode, the management of the actions of our troops to destroy and expel enemy units from the Kursk region.
Once again I would like to emphasize that the use of such weapons by the enemy is not capable of influencing the course of combat operations in the special military operation zone. Our troops are successfully advancing along the entire line of combat contact. All the tasks that we set for ourselves will be accomplished.
In response to the use of American and British long-range weapons on November 21 of this year, the Russian Armed Forces launched a combined strike on one of the facilities of the Ukrainian defense industry. In combat conditions, one of the newest Russian medium-range missile systems was tested, in this case with a ballistic missile in non-nuclear hypersonic equipment. Our missilemen called it "Oreshnik". The tests were successful, the launch goal was achieved.
On the territory of Ukraine in the city of Dnepropetrovsk, one of the largest and well-known industrial complexes from the times of the Soviet Union was hit, which today produces missile technology and other weapons.
We are developing intermediate- and shorter-range missiles as a response to US plans to produce and deploy intermediate- and shorter-range missiles in Europe and the Asia-Pacific region. We believe that the US made a mistake by unilaterally destroying the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty in 2019 under a far-fetched pretext. Today, the US not only produces such equipment, but, as we see, in the course of training its troops, it has worked out issues of transferring its advanced missile systems to different regions of the world, including Europe. Moreover, during exercises, it conducts training on their use.
Let me remind you that Russia voluntarily and unilaterally took upon itself the obligation not to deploy medium- and shorter-range missiles until American weapons of this kind appear in any region of the world.
Let me repeat: we are conducting combat tests of the Oreshnik missile system in response to the aggressive actions of NATO countries against Russia. The issue of further deployment of medium- and shorter-range missiles will be decided by us depending on the actions of the United States and its satellites.
The targets for destruction during further tests of our newest missile systems will be determined by us based on the threats to the security of the Russian Federation. We consider ourselves entitled to use our weapons against military facilities of those countries that allow their weapons to be used against our facilities, and in the event of an escalation of aggressive actions, we will respond just as decisively and in kind. I recommend that the ruling elites of those countries that are hatching plans to use their military contingents against Russia seriously think about this.
Of course, when choosing, if necessary and as a response, targets for destruction by systems such as Oreshnik on the territory of Ukraine, we will offer in advance to civilians, and also ask citizens of friendly states located there, to leave the dangerous zones. We will do this for humanitarian reasons - openly, publicly, without fear of counteraction from the enemy, who will also receive this information.
Why without fear? Because there are currently no means of counteracting such weapons. The missiles attack targets at a speed of 10 Machs - that is 2.5-3 kilometers per second. The modern air defense systems in the world and the missile defense systems created by the Americans in Europe do not intercept such missiles, this is excluded.
I would like to emphasize once again that it was not Russia, but the United States that destroyed the international security system and, continuing to fight and cling to its hegemony, is pushing the entire world toward a global conflict.
We have always preferred and are now ready to resolve all contentious issues by peaceful means. But we are also ready for any development of events.
If anyone still doubts this, then in vain - the answer will always be there.
22nd November 2024 13:35
Tintin
Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia
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Uk corporates involved in this are being briefed that an attack is expected soon on NATO territory .
Do you have a source, please? Thanks. (Comment: this smacks of "false flag", if verified.)
Right, and it remains to be seen how this develops (or is "spun"): and, yes, this may be the best thread for now:
"What false flag do you think they're planning at the moment? Gatwick airport evacuated due to security incident and a controlled explosion at US embassy - London, due to suspicious package. https://cityam.com/gatwick-airport-c...rity-incident/
Police carry out controlled explosion after suspicious package found near U.S. Embassy in London https://cbsnews.com/news/us-embassy-london-police-controlled-explosion-suspicious-package-uk/"
22nd November 2024 15:32
Vicus
Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia
Memorabilia
When the Berliner wall went down I was living with my first German girlfriend (the motive why went there...) in the Kreuzberg
district, 200 m from that infamous constructive horror...
Watching the 20 pm news...WTF ! it was the climax after summer continuous people escape to neighbors countries ...
We went there plus a work colleague, to describe the atmosphere in 1 word: redemption... :flower: we takes pieces from that sh!t too!
That was were the Brandenburg Tor is "still" there...
Been non German the implications for me were Global! after the Cold War pressure and all the Nuclear War horror movies...
My second time in Berlin: after Maidan coupe de tat.. by distributing flyers and posters in cafes, marks,etc to wake people up
about the NATO intentions against Russia...in the 2 most "liberal" districts... 1 girl went curios and ask me: why do I have interest in that? (because I'm Ausländer ( foreigner)...
My respond: because I live here and when the missiles begin to raining they would not ask me if I'm German or not...
Her companion (Ausländer too) try to dismiss me but she continue to listen and took and keep my flyer...and say thanks!
So quickly was the famous "gemükligheit" (coziness) disturb...and for not too intelligent folk can derive in Angst (fear)
And from that point on the German politicians know exactly how to manipulate the herd...
Sooooo fast has people forgot those years... and now SURPRISE! the chicken are coming back to roost !
22nd November 2024 16:21
ExomatrixTV
Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia
Imagine if Vladimir Putin would say: "Most intelligent informed people know that NATO & EU are not run by people like senile Joe Biden but by unelectedpsychopaths working for CFR/WEF/Bilderberg Group who arranged that they can not be held accountable because they constructed it that way ... Just ask any smart A.I. (especially Grok 2.0) if NATO was ever convicted of any crimes against humanity and when you hear the answer let that sink in for a moment.
Also study what "NATO 5GW Cognitive Warfare" really entails, do not count on Mainstream Media digging in to that >>> so that they can ask the hard questions >>> but never do, as almost all the mass media are complicit in helping covering up NATO CRIMES and/or willfully misrepresenting any real critical thinking towards NATO policies/decisions.
