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The Hyperdimensional Being known as Aiwass (The Lam) channeled through Aleister Crowley in 1904 gave him a coded language of power to use amongst the Psyconauts which they came to be known as. Aiwass is also the sign of the Single Bolt in Ancient Germanic which can be found in (Letters and Numbers). Aiwass was the classic "Gray" alien sent by the dark side as an extraterrestrial imposter.
I read that Lam actually had large eyes like a Grey but Crowley omitted that from his sketch as he thought it would give it more credibility.
Sadly, those that have the largest interest in the subject also find themselves with the least amount of time to research such things... I would think that an advanced civilization that was trying to determine the fate of humanity would not just attempt the whole "Take me to your leader" exercise, but they would take a more general sampling of all cultures, and random test samples among the masses, and see how THEY react to a wider scope of reality, and the souls within it.
This leads me to the whole alien abduction rash of experiencers... Those whom have had contacts and who have generally found them to be friendly, and welcomed more visitations from them... As a great many of humans have had this reaction to their contact experiences!!!
Isn't Victor the same person who initially gave the Project Serpo information? If this is true one could speculate that he would deliberately give some misinformation along with the true details that he DID know, in order to keep his identity a secret.... IE if he spoke of a detail others did NOT know, it could immediately place him into danger.
I did note that he mentioned Nixon was in on his own little "Cabal", and that he singled out Bush as not even being human in the sense that we would think of him.. This reminds me of the George Green inference that all leaders these days are either clones, being driven by "Others" or et in nature. Truly, even "A stranger at the Pentagon" suggested that et could easily walk among us and we wouldn't even know...
I did find a few things in the interviews that I found very telling...
1. Victor got very frustrated about the lack of effort to follow up on such information be any "credible" researcher... I suppose if I had taken such a risk, and shared that kind of knowledge at the risk of. losing my own life, I too, would get very frustrated with the circus we call ufology... and there are plenty of people out there willing to peddle any garbage they desire if they believe it will earn them a dollar...
2. Victor and Bob Dean seem to be on opposite sides of the spectrum when it comes to the intentions of the et... Bob seems to believe, though while facing many hurdles, that we will be moving into some "Golden Age" with the et, where Victor is convinced we're doomed... That's quite a broad different in perspectives...
My next question would be, does anyone know what year the last 2 videos were made? I am curious as I would like to look up where Rumsfeld actually was on March 23rd. as he seemed very adamant that this was a clue to something we should know if we want true information.
Interesting if nothing else..
And about Fred Doty.. I have met him as well, although I haven't had much communication with him... I have exchanged a few emails... And he seems to be a genuinely nice guy... But I would stop at suggesting that he is fully honest... While his NDA may have expired, he himself has suggested that there are things he knows to be true that he still keeps secret.... and once a misinformation/intelligence agent, always one... Not only does he not disclose the things he believes SHOULD BE kept quiet, I strongly suspect he would also still taint the subject matter in those efforts as well...
I recently subscribed to Gaia, only to watch as much as I could on that format, in regards to what these people were saying. Thankfully blue chicken wasn't there... But the things that were, really surprised me. Rick had much to say about et, and different situations with them... Short of all the details, it makes you wonder why now? And how much is truly real?
Victor has a strange take on the et in my opinion. As he seems to believe they are not only not from our world, but perhaps interdimensional in some way.... Some refer to them as biological robots, but he stated something along the lines of being "inert". That they semed inert or another word along those lines. I wonder what he meant by that... Were they solid holographic entities? Unable to "Be driven" unless telepathically attached to another being? It seems so vague.
As far as "Inter dimensionals"... Perhaps they're literally living right beside us, our of our range of view... or perceptions, and they have the ability to manifest in a range we can then detect? I am sure they were fed many plausable ideas, but until the science confirms any of them, we will never know the truth. With us making solid holographic forms now, that can cast shadows... and have density, perhaps this is what they experienced with one of more of these beings...
If Victor is a true whistleblower, it was brave to do that, but you cannot dismiss all of those out there wanting truth, but getting anything BUT truth.... And one must be in one of those actual programs to really know the truth of any of the matters, as everything else would be ridiculed as conjecture. Surely these individuals can only hope some believe their stories.
Sadly at this point, humanity has become better at lying about everything versus telling the truth these days... Up to and including their own appearances, with make up, face lifts, tummy tucks, and on and on.... Transfer that to politics and the problem increases 100 fold... It's a sad state of affairs we live in these days...
In the past 24 hours Richard Dolan has hosted Jon Stewart exploring our above previously discussed theme on the "Victor" testimony of the so-called "alien interview" - that the footage may have been captured at a facility other than S4.Quote:
Posted by panpsych
Some key points:
- Stewart claims this footage was taken at a site called S2-a (lending credence to the idea that Victor may have been using S4 as a protective cover of plausible deniability)
- He provides a list of allegedly identified personnel *in* the footage and goes into some details about their biographies, which, on its face appears to be an Easter egg hunt styled treasure trove of plausible responses to previously open questions.
- Stewart gives testimony of a naval wife who claims one of the medical personnel in the infamous footage is unquestionably her husband, who indeed worked in clandestine naval medical projects (which was often a bone of contention in their relationship).
If nothing else, as Dolan acknowledges in the interview, Stewart has made some important progress in providing some possible responses to key questions that have kept this case open for decades.
Personnel listed as either featuring in the footage, or were otherwise present in the viewing gallery at the time of its shooting:
Colonel [indecipherable redaction] – US Army Intelligence: As yet, unnamed, although shared with Dolan. In the interview, Stewart and Dolan discuss that this individual was involved with TRW. It’s an acronym which can be parsed several ways: Tactical Recon Wing; Training Wing; Technical Review Workgroup; or TRW Inc. who have been contracted to provide systems engineering, automotive aerospace and ICBM support to both the US Government and Defense agencies. In any case, TRW is an acronym well-known in US intelligence circles as referring to ‘deep black’ intelligence involvement. Indeed, TRW is noted in the Wilson Memo (Admr. Thomas Wilson confirms to Dr Eric Davis that Elizabeth Elliot’s information sounds like “… the real deal…” when Davis relays that she’s given a Remote Viewing testimony by reference t TRW.
Eric Davis meeting with Adm. Wilson - DocumentCloud – p. 15
Dr. W[indecipherable redaction] – USAF Medical Corp. – Stewart met with this individual’s widow (2nd wife) to discuss his biography. Stewart outright asks what her opinion is on the possibility that her husband could have been involved in an ET program during the timeframe around the footage. According to Stewart, his widow found this to be a very plausible explanation as to why he would never discuss his work with the USAF Medical Corp. even when under social pressure to do so at gatherings. (NB: the widow offered up ‘USAF Medical Corp.’ in this anecdote, with no prompting, which corroborates the information Stewart had received from his DIA contact). The widow went on to mention that his unwillingness to discuss his time with the USAF Medical Corp. was a ‘source of contention’ both between them and with their social group (who also had military connections and were able to discuss their own stories more freely). She also very clearly identified his facial features from the footage as being the medic to the being’s right (our left).
Dr Craig [indecipherable redaction] – Scientist (??) – Stewart identifies this individual as having been a pulmonologist who worked with the VA (Veteran’s Affairs – veteran aftercare institution) at the time the footage was taken.
My speculation: due to the image clean-up I’m able to achieve with my own humble editing skills, it appears as one possible candidate for an ID on this individual could be Dr. Craig McPherson , who currently sits as the Governor for the American College of Cardiology but, at the time the footage was taken (circa 1991), worked as director for the Critical Care Unit and Electrophysiology (with expertise in pulmonology) at the – you guessed it – Veteran’s Affairs Medical Centre (VAMC) in West Haven CT.
Admiral Edward D. Schaeffer - Naval Intelligence (deceased as of 2016) - Due to the fact that Schaeffer has passed away, Stewart felt comfortable revealing his identity. Noteworthy biographical points which supply context as to the reason for his presence at this session include that he would’ve been part of the relevant 'Chain of Command' in terms of direction-of-travel for this information. Indeed, Stewart alludes to the fact that this was reported via JCS up to the sitting POTUS. Schaeffer himself was the Director of Naval Intelligence at the time the footage was captured and sitting J2, reporting directly to Colin Powell: the Chairman of the JCS at the time and Commander USAFC. This would’ve been a highly plausible line-management channel for this information to be fed up the chain if it were indeed real.
Captain Lowell Jacoby – Naval Intelligence – Adding to the plausibility of the ‘Chain of Command’ line management context that Edward D. Schaeffer’s presence provides, we have an appearance from one of his (at the time) direct subordinates. Jacoby had been promoted to Captain in 1989 and been assigned the role of Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence .
Supplemental note: Whilst I can’t source specific links of their involvement to this case, both Schaeffer and Jacoby would’ve been ‘in position’ at the time of (and during the follow-up to) the Kalahari Crash incident – the shoot-down and retrieval of live ET’s that was reported (and leant credence by researchers like Tony Dodd ) to have occurred somewhere near the South African and Botswanan border in 1989. This has widely been discussed (and noted in the 20th Anniversary Edition of the Rocket picture) as a possible candidate for the origins of the being captured on film.
The remaining listed personnel appear to be two monks from Saint Catherine's Monastery (Sinai?). This is interesting, as we can recall Victor in his C2C media commitment (indexed above and also here) following the initial release of the Rocket Picture frequently mentioning that he'd been persuaded to consider Christian analogies in relation to his exposure to this being and the program managing his continued residence with the US Navy. Whilst this doesn't corroborate much by itself, it is an interesting little contextual detail which gives a possible motivation for Victor's religious musings - perhaps he'd been present at discussions involving these two monks and had been privy to whatever level of contribution they were making to the program, leading him to his Messianic musings.
The next three are listed as 'unnamed'.
Wider Supplemental Discussion: This is purely my speculation. But, during the interview, Stewart explains the work he's done to contact various experienced medical technologists to ask if they have ever seen a device quite like the green light-point instrument featured in the footage, which has been the subject of a lot of discussion, and largely assumed to have been some bespoke medical monitor.
Stewart reports no joy thus far in terms of finding an expert in the field of medical monitoring technology who might know what it might be.
To me, this makes sense, as I've never assumed it was a medical monitor at all. The structure of the device has always struck me as an Einsteinian light-clock - a theoretical device to measure time dilation effects https://www.emc2-explained.info/The-Light-Clock/
The light-clock theory might be consistent with both Burisch's testimony that these beings as time travellers, Victor's assertions that they aren't seemingly "physical" and also other more recent testimonies via Grusch et al suggesting that they folded in inter-dimensionally. Perhaps the device doesn't monitor biophysical health as we conceive of it at all, but general relativistic perturbations associated with the space around them.
Maybe.
Victor - C2C Segment - True Voice
I have pitch-shifted a segment of Victor's C2C interview with Art Bell and Sean David Morton to bring it closer to his true speaking voice.
I've done this not in the hope that it might improve anyone's chances of discovering his identity, but simply to point out how much less defensive and stand-offish Victor seems when we can hear him in something closer to his natural tone. The vocal masking effects made him appear far more aggressive than he seems at something closer to reality.
Please feel free to use this however you wish.
This also belongs on this thread. (A follow-up interview with 'Victor' in 2008) :thumbsup:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2aMavw9lJ0g
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4_ETuczuTM8
Hi Bill
the second interview with Victor was especially interesting, but very hard to understand. Where does he say the aliens come from, do you know? I replayed it several time and just could not hear what he said.
Ah! He's saying: (7:04) "These aliens come from the universe of science."Quote:
Posted by Violet3
:heart:
At 9min he says in French "Apres moi le deluge, le deluge solaire" which translates into "After me the flood, the solar flood", which reminds me of AkitaQuote:
Posted by Bill RyanAh! He's saying: (7:04) "These aliens come from the universe of science."Quote:
Posted by Violet3
:heart:
thanks Bill and Houman
"...the universe of science, not the universe of religion." Any idea what he means i.e. which science?
Re the "solar flood" do you think he is referring to solar flares? If the interview is 2008 and he says don't count on a 20 year anniversary of it, then he means a major fire/flood event some time before 2028, perhaps triggered by solar flares?
I think he's saying that these ETs base their predictions or warnings on what they consider as [scientific] facts, not beliefs.Quote:
Posted by Violet3
Yes, that's my interpretation as well. Something like Ed Dames' 'Killshot', and/or what Akita (and other prophecies) refer to as 'Fire from the Sky'. (Not a water flood, but some major solar event that 'floods' the earth with something like a giant solar flare that impacts Earth with catastrophic effect.)Quote:
Posted by Violet3
There's quite a lot about this on The Third Secret of Fatima thread, in which a prophetic message received in Akita, Japan in 1973, apparently extremely similar to that received by the Fatima witnesses in 1918, is described in detail.
I have to say that this does all fit with my own purely personal assessment of the likely date of this event, which I've posted several times seems to me to converge on something like 2028-29.
I've been noting all the references to this [apparent] kind of incident that I've been able to find, and so far I've listed over 40 of them. Some are far more specific than others, but the broad agreement that something not-good may possibly happen to the Earth in the next few years does start to seem worthy of being taken seriously.
Copying this new post by Helvetic on his thread:
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We were wrong!!! A new and highly credible Intel source has analyzed the Victor Alien Interview footage and the being.
Here is what he wrote:
My assessment is that this species is not actually an ETE-2 Type C-1, but instead the CBE that ETE-2 presented us in exchange for the 12 soldiers on July 16th 1965. So still from Zeta Reticuli 2 Star System, but NOT a regular "Type". I believe this to be the infamous "J-Rod" who while here, worked with Edward Teller
Copying this interesting new post by Helvetic on his thread:
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Despite the Alien Interview being a point of great contention, there is a recent YouTube comment from Nuri that has me greatly intrigued:
"I spent my career as a trauma nurse and while I have no idea what it would be like to care for an alien, in the scene where he’s struggling it definitely looks like he’s genuinely gulping for air and distressed. You can see the neck retracting with definable movements of the skin showing the prominence of the left sternal head, pursing of the lips with frown movements of the facial muscles during portions of the respiratory distress, the neck placement and size wasn’t human either (among a lot of other things). If this was a puppet it’s the best I’ve ever seen, but I genuinely don’t think it is and I’m the biggest sceptic of things like this."
Additionally, here are three points I personally want to bring forward:
1) If this video is a fake, why is there a timestamp below with the acronym DNI?
2) Why have the medics rush to assist when the creature is gasping? So many additional steps if hoaxing.
3) The Ariel School witnesses describe being fixed on the eyes of the NHI they encountered. I personally noticed that as a dominant feature with the creature in the video.
@stewartschgo
there's certainly something to all of this in my humble and honest opinion 🧐
I am not sure if this has been posted yet, as I have only read a few pages thus far, but Donald Rumsfeld was in Jerusalem on March 23, 2008, meeting with President Peres, in the Presidential Residence
Link attached to article about this meeting...
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archi.../20080323.html
If already noted, please delete this post?
Mod note from Bill:
This seems unrelated to the Alien Interrogation video discussed in this thread. Did you mean to post this somewhere else? If so, we can easily move it.
:thumbsup:
Forgive my ramblings... I am thinking aloud..
The time frames don't add up... when looking at this being, as being the one left for the Serpo exchange... (Which is also in question, as far as the name of the planet/program) J Rod and this et couldn't be the same individual. Especially if it crashed in 1989. Or the video was taken around that time. Which some individuals implies.
As Victor suggested, he had actually been in the presence of the being, (at least once) and that the being had been at the facility 20 months (not years) when the video was taken, or when he encountered the being. If it were one of those left in exchange for the Serpo project, that would indicate the video was taken in the 60's or 70's... And that Victor was at the base for a great number of years. Or the program was ongoing.
OR there was a large number of said beings, as Dan Burisch, Bill Uhouse, and many others claim to have been working alongside the same type, or similar beings... Including the suggestion that Edward Teller was involved in some way with whom got access... And William Thompkins claims of help in the 60's with NASA and the space program... all of which could only be true if there were multiple types, and multiple of each, engaging humanity.
There are only so many hours in a day, and a vast array of projects that people are claiming to have had help with... If it was just one being, Either this is wrong, or Dan Burischs claims are false. Bill Thompkins, Bill Uhouse, and even Phillip Corso, were all lying...
That then calls into question all others who make claims such as nordics helping in the space program, etc... How many "Different beings" are actually here? And how many have their own bases, or live among us all the time that we are unaware of? What is more likely? That a vast number of beings arrived in short order? Or it is all untrue? Or there is truth somewhere in the middle?
There is a suggestion that this being is the hepaloid, or heploid...
Back to the topic... If there were MANY... And different types? It could be true that Dan went into a clean sphere with one, while another, (or many) were perhaps "tailor made" to be able to be in our environment, and survive... and could have helped in all the areas that people are claiming.
And there could be one set aside merely for "information farming.", another to help with technologies and rebuilding them... There is a great deal of advancements in human cloning, cloning of other species, perhaps they cloned some specifically to stay here...
So what would we have?
Exactly what we supposedly sent to another planet... Pilots, linguists, Medical personnel, scientists, and security... is that what was also sent here? Did someone get ahold of the information and make wild claims that we went elsewhere, to cover it up, when the fact possibly could be, 12 individuals were left on Earth to help us in some way?
It is my understanding that SERPO was a program name, and not the actual name of a planet that the humans supposedly went to... There is conflicting information about that... I believe there was a claim in the Serpo site, that the ebens themselves welcomed the humans to their planet and they called it "Serpo", which would be a wrong detail.. (unless the et themselves were referring to the program and not the planet name)...
I do not know if this is true or not, but there are some suggestions that SERPO actually meant "Secret Extraterrestrial Remote Planet Operations"... Which would mean they could have gone anywhere, and used the name Serpo... and anyone could have come here under that project name.
According to those relaying information about Serpo, the project wasn't called Serpo, the project was called "Crystal Knight"??? So we have clashing details about that... And both Rick Doty AND an individual known as Victor were involved someway in the Serpo site.
Richard Doty, is now going onto Gaia and making all kinds of claims that we housed et in Nevada...
I did notice that Victor gave quite some telling information as far as the site however, about the food delivery system also being used to both raise and lower the craft to the tarmac, for testing and or use, one goes down, the other comes up. Great design idea actually... But he does leave little details that really would be difficult to just think up and randomly be tossed in, when most don't even "Catch them", or consider them noteworthy.
And there are many other claims that really, who would think about such things... If they hadn't been there. Just random thoughts.. And written in a rush... I will clean it up this evening, but a lot to ponder after replaying the Art Bell interview.
But a lot doesn't add up here. Is it because there are bombs dropped in the real truth, to find out who speaks out? Or is it all nonsense?
Henry Deacon told me he was aware that 40 different races were visiting or observing Earth. Clifford Stone said there were 57. And it could easily be far more than that.Quote:
Posted by Denise/Dizi
It's a whole highly complicated ecosystem out there. On our own planet we have 195 countries and even more distinct cultures, all with different histories, traditions, languages, and vastly differing degrees of access to technology. Now expand that several thousand fold into our galaxy and beyond. :)
I have no idea where the name 'Serpo' came from, but yes, the actual program name was Project Crystal Knight.Quote:
Posted by Denise/Dizi
The Serpo 'Victor' was Victor Martinez, a Los Angeles English teacher who ran an ET-related discussion group. I'm still in contact with him. There's no connection with the 'Victor' who smuggled out the 'Alien Interrogation' video.Quote:
Posted by Denise/Dizi
I would agree with them wholeheartedly... About the vast amount of "Neighbors" we have... I am just trying to figure out which ones (and how many).. are actually interacting with humans at this time, and actually make landfall here, or always have been here...Quote:
Posted by Bill Ryan
I suppose it is easier to convince the masses we have "Alien neighbors", and then presenting the ebe video would be far more appropriate to hit the topic in a way that we would recognize they definately aren't like us! Versus parading around a Nordic, and being laughed at as trying to pass off someone who live perhaps in Switzerland as an "off worlder."
I have always felt that humans didn't just get "Created" on Earth, nor did we develop here from our origins. I believe we have been brought here, from many locations, placed "here" and "there", and watched to see how we do as a whole. Can we get along? Can we work together as a whole if we believed we were such? Could we even TRY to do so?
If that's the case, we are surely disappointing "Them" with our actions as a whole.
Thank You for that. :sherlock:It always confused me that it was being used in many ways.. Perhaps to redirect away from the actual planet name? I suppose that will remain a mystery unless someone who knows, will care to share it with us, to eliminate the confusion.Quote:
Posted by Bill Ryan
THANK YOU! That was really an important data point I didn't know... If you speak to him again in the near future, please tell the gentleman that I send a sincere "Thank You" for what was shared, It still fascinates me, and sparks thoughts and ideas, and possibilities... Did Victor share how he learned about the project? (If it isn't rude to ask?)Quote:
Posted by Bill Ryan
I suppose we can be quite rude when posing questions, as we tend to frame things in a "They don't want us to know, as they want control over us" kind of way... And just learning what this man did for a living, and in his spare time? Makes me want to frame things in a much different way... Which it SHOULDN'T.. I suppose the subject entirely has jaded me in some way sadly. My curiousity and excitement, sometimes turning into frustration, and I suppose a sense of disgust for those that make it worse with lies, especially for their own gain.
So perhaps if you would, also send my apologizes for perhaps being a bit cold and frustrated on other threads about the topic. I am human after all, and the topic so profound. It can get frustrating when you want to believe it, but hit a wall...
Actually I really like this - obviously fake(?) - alien interview video:
I may not have recalled this exactly right but I think SERPO is an acronym which stands for something like: "Secret Extra-terrestrial Research Program ...", but I'm certainly paraphrasing that.Quote:
Posted by Bill Ryan
I have no idea where the name 'Serpo' came from, but yes, the actual program name was Project Crystal Knight.Quote:
Posted by Denise/Dizi
Hope that helps. I'm sure I saw that in the literature somewhere, way back.
In the alien interview video, and the subsequent video "Victor" made in the vehicle, he referred to Donald Rumsfeld, and suggesting that where he was in the middle of March was important, in regards to him only wanting to be one of the "Select few" that were to be taken away before something happened to mankind.. He later went on to suggest the date of the 23rd. And this was what I found. So I was just putting the puzzle piece on the table.Quote:
Posted by Denise/Dizi