Bill Ryan - Talks to Dark Journalist
PART 1
SECRET SPACE PROGRAM SPOOKS: WHISTLEBLOWER #FAIL! DARK JOURNALIST & BILL RYAN
Published on 7 May 2017
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Project Avalon’s Bill Ryan Speaks Out on Corey Goode
Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt welcomes Project Avalon’s Bill Ryan to the show. Ryan first hit the spotlight a decade ago with his efforts at seeking out Secret Space Program whistleblowers and having them deliver riveting information live on video along with his research partner Kerry Cassidy on the early alternative series called Project Camelot. Eventually Ryan split with Cassidy and developed his own forum of research called Project Avalon which tackles deep subject matter with an informed community.
The Truth is Never Easy
In this special episode, Ryan will go on the record about the details of his viral article called ‘The Truth About Corey Goode’ that is gaining rapid attention and attempts to explain and in some sense unmask the bizarre story of Corey Goode. Ryan had his own interactions with Goode before he went public and believes that his story is unreliable.
Secret Space Circus 2017: The New Normal
Many fact based revelations came out in the last decade about the development of a Secret Space Program including UK Hacker Gary McKinnon discovering an “Off-world Officers List” while reading classified files at NASA, for which the US Government attempted to extradite and charge him with espionage. Other analysts came forward with remarkable disclosures about missing Government funds and the outline of a completely hidden agenda.
In tandem with this fascinating investigative reporting effort, a sideshow also developed with all kinds of discrediting themes, like fantasy beings and galactic ambassadors and space saviors to boot. A lot of this activity has centered around Corey Goode from Texas who claims to be a veteran insider of secret unacknowledged programs involving the military and space, but has offered zero evidence for this incredible assertion. In fact, Goode has no military record except a brief stint in the Texas State Guard, not exactly known as a hotbed of deep intelligence activity.
Ryan has attempted to have Goode take a Lie-Detector test to prove some of his wild assertions or to have him regressed to find out if his memories are real, implanted or fabricated. Goode has rejected the suggestion saying that hypnotic regression is ‘invasive.’ Without these evidentiary methods being employed to verify his memories and with no evidence being presented to support his story, Goode’s account of being in a secret program appears to be falling apart.
Missing Trillions: The Original Secret Space Research Mandate
The original Secret Space Program Conferences organized by Global BEM, including one held in Austin Texas in 2015 and hosted by Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt, featured Former Assistant HUD Secretary Catherine Austin Fitts and Giza Death Star’s Joseph Farrell, and brought forward verifiable evidence along with informed speculation from many experts and scientists and former Government officials. The event raised the spectre of a covert effort that was draining trillions of dollars from the US budget and siphoning them into a Complex Space Endeavor for private interests.
The Secret Space Program investigation took a turn for the bizarre after Gaia TV aired the Goode story even though he was completely unvetted by any journalistic standard and had absolutely no evidence to back up his assertions. It was pumped into the alt-research community by a series of TV episodes they developed for their select audience featuring Interviews with Goode by host David WIlcock.
Goode’s Story
Goode claims to be an insider of various secret programs and a spokesman relaying spiritual messages from a group of alien beings. He has even developed a Comic Book Series of his ET communications with what he calls ‘a Sphere Being Alliance.’ Goode’s story not only sounded like a Sci-Fi fantasy adventure, it also created a new version of a cult- like alien called a 'Blue Avian' with blue skin and feathers.
Goode’s story largely incorporated elements of many Alternative Media themes like fighting the Illuminati, Cabal tribunals, Mandela effect, Breakaway Civilization and Babylonian Magic. Respected authors like Joseph Farrell and Richard Dolan were shocked to see their research shabbily recycled in a sensationalist and histrionic fashion.
With all of this in mind, the question becomes: are those driving this bizarre, unverified, unvetted story about Goode being some kind of an insider in a covert program part of an effort to deflect attention away from the genuine research process underway to find where the missing trillions went that were pumped into the Secret Space Program? Ryan wonders whether all of this hyperbole being presented with no corroborating evidence is a concerted activity meant to replace legitimate inquiry with Sci-Fi adventure tales mixed with faux New Age psychobabble.
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The interview was great Bill. The only part I disagreed with was when you were describing the alt community as gullible. How dare you? Other than that I really enjoyed it, and im very hopeful that part 2 will include more information on this invisible pink elephant in my room you spoke of early on in the interview. Sounds intriguing.
Moving on:
People really do need to hear this info in a very slow, deliberate manner...point by point, and in very simple language. I know I do. It's such a tangled web that it must be unwoven slowly and carefully, with calm cool logic and common sense. I felt this was done very effectively. And the dark journalist (god ive already forgotten his name) does a good job of staying out of the way and letting you break it all down.
Very much looking forward to part 2. Any idea when it will be out?
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Thanks, Folks. :star:
I've not actually watched it myself yet, so I'm pleased if it seemed to come out well. Daniel Liszt is highly professional at everything he does.
The interview was meant to be an hour (this was last Monday, all pre-recorded); but we talked for 4 hrs 20 mins, and went off in every interesting direction one might imagine. I also recorded some supplementary material later, too. So, this is only the first part. I think only this interview will be about Corey.
Daniel was a genuine pleasure to talk to. He's bright, aware, laid back, very friendly, and extremely well-informed. Kudos to him. He had initially contacted me — I was really quite surprised — after my Corey Goode piece had been copied all over the net, another thing I'd not anticipated. I was flattered when he told me that Catherine Austin Fitts, Joseph Farrell and Graham Hancock had all told him that they were very pleased to have read it. (I got a very nice personal note myself from Catherine.)
From the big picture to the rather smaller... I'll move some posts here specifically about Corey to that particular thread, where the interview has also been posted. I do think this thread should stand, but maybe is the place to discuss any wider issues, and perhaps also the subsequent part(s) when they're released.
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http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/write.gif Great job and thanks, Bill and Daniel. I look forward to part 2.
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And the dark journalist (god i've already forgotten his name) does a good job of staying out of the way and letting you break it all down.
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Thanks, Folks. :star:
I've not actually watched it myself yet, so I'm pleased if it seemed to come out well. Daniel Liszt is highly professional at everything he does.
The interview was meant to be an hour (this was last Monday, all pre-recorded); but we talked for 4 hrs 20 mins, and went off in every interesting direction one might imagine. I also recorded some supplementary material later, too. So, this is only the first part. I think only this interview will be about Corey.
Daniel was a genuine pleasure to talk to. He's bright, aware, laid back, very friendly, and extremely well-informed. Kudos to him. He had initially contacted me — I was really quite surprised — after my
Corey Goode piece had been copied all over the net, another thing I'd not anticipated. I was flattered when he told me that Catherine Austin Fitts, Joseph Farrell and Graham Hancock had all told him that they were very pleased to have read it. (I got a very nice personal note myself from Catherine.)
From the big picture to the rather smaller... I'll move some posts here specifically about Corey to
that particular thread, where the interview has also been posted. I do think this thread should stand, but maybe is the place to discuss any wider issues, and perhaps also the subsequent part(s) when they're released.
This quick response from Modwiz125 on Youtube does the 'wider issues' very well. He takes it beyond fantasy versus facts and brings it right back around to the Ground Crew realisation. A very positive direction to go with this issue, in my opinion. He's a different kind of voice probably speaking to a different kind of audience but whoever he's speaking to, I certainly get it, and I'm glad he's supporting Bill and opening up the conversation.
Published on 8 May 2017
Bill Ryan is bringing awareness to a needed area of the
alternative-community online. There will be more on this in future Dark Journalist releases of this interview. I fully support what Bill is initializing, with the support of Richard Dolan and others.
Dark Journalist Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qApt0...
Richard Dolan's blogpost from 2010:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showt...
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@ Mike...sorry, but it does seem like there are many gullible people in the alt community; otherwise how would this sort of person keep the money coming in?!:cash::cash:
I, myself, was once a very gullible person within the religious community for most of my life, believing whatever I was told & never questioning....until I finally realized what it had done to my life. So I would agree there are gullible people within whatever community exists on this earth as a majority of people do not bother to think for themselves. If that were not true, we would not have reasons for wars. Right now "someone" is trying to divide the alt community! :bigsmile: You know the old motto: Divide & Conquer!!!
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Well done, Bill!
Our gullibility is not our fault. I am with you on that! Yes, there are some who are sponge like. I know a few. I can be spongy when it comes to certain information. Thankfully, however, a few years ago -- before entering these waters -- I heeded the advice of people like Tom Campbell and William Buhlman, which was, in so many words: Don't take anyone's word for it; be open-minded but skeptical. With the criteria Bill provides in this interview, I, for one, feel more equipped to navigate the information.
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@ Mike...sorry, but it does seem like there are many gullible people in the alt community; otherwise how would this sort of person keep the money coming in?!:cash::cash:
I, myself, was once a very gullible person within the religious community for most of my life, believing whatever I was told & never questioning....until I finally realized what it had done to my life. So I would agree there are gullible people within whatever community exists on this earth as a majority of people do not bother to think for themselves. If that were not true, we would not have reasons for wars. Right now "someone" is trying to divide the alt community! :bigsmile: You know the old motto: Divide & Conquer!!!
I understand. I also suggest we consider that many, many good-hearted folks that may resonate with themes provided by some of the religious traditions could never knowingly deceive others, especially along these lines and thus often conclude that it is unimaginable that anyone could do this. And so when they experience something like what the Wilcock/Goode show has become including the refined way they present their performance in such a "believable way," though we might wish to blame the vulnerable, it seems far more important to focus on those responsible for the sham which may be just Goode/Wilcock and the Gaia crew but may very well be "others." Others performing various roles and tasks behind the scenes. Sadly this is quite a real possibility and I trust the experienced researcher's opinions about all that far more than what I might think and pretend to myself is my "intuition" - that it is all and only opportunists exploiting the vulnerable.
Perhaps Occam's Razor is not applicable in this situation.
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@ Mike...sorry, but it does seem like there are many gullible people in the alt community; otherwise how would this sort of person keep the money coming in?!:cash::cash:
I, myself, was once a very gullible person within the religious community for most of my life, believing whatever I was told & never questioning....until I finally realized what it had done to my life. So I would agree there are gullible people within whatever community exists on this earth as a majority of people do not bother to think for themselves. If that were not true, we would not have reasons for wars. Right now "someone" is trying to divide the alt community! :bigsmile: You know the old motto: Divide & Conquer!!!
Maybe I should have included a smiley face at the end of that paragraph....I just find that ironic humor works best without it. Was just being silly there:)
Just want to briefly acknowledge the modwiz video, which I enjoyed. Very perceptive. Smart. A nice compliment to the Bill video.
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Just want to briefly acknowledge the modwiz video, which I enjoyed. Very perceptive. Smart. A nice compliment to the Bill video.
I watched a different Bill Ryan episode the other day and appreciated what Modwiz had to say about him. It didn’t go unnoticed that Modwiz was quick to adjust the focus when the conversation tipped towards the petty and innuendo of BR.
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A shout out to his guest, Vern (sp?). Nice exchange between yous guys.
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Thanks, Folks. :star:
I've not actually watched it myself yet, so I'm pleased if it seemed to come out well. Daniel Liszt is highly professional at everything he does.
The interview was meant to be an hour (this was last Monday, all pre-recorded); but we talked for 4 hrs 20 mins, and went off in every interesting direction one might imagine. I also recorded some supplementary material later, too. So, this is only the first part. I think only this interview will be about Corey.
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Daniel was a genuine pleasure to talk to. He's bright, aware, laid back, very friendly, and extremely well-informed. Kudos to him. He had initially contacted me — I was really quite surprised — after my
Corey Goode piece had been copied all over the net, another thing I'd not anticipated. I was flattered when he told me that Catherine Austin Fitts, Joseph Farrell and Graham Hancock had all told him that they were very pleased to have read it. (I got a very nice personal note myself from Catherine.)
DJ's shows are full of some of the most reliable sources of "Truth" in the "Alt-media" on the internet today. Just look at the list of regulars that frequent his podcast's. I am subscribed to his YouTube channel and never miss a show.
You are so right about Daniel's disposition. I also find him to be uniquely quirky in his delivery, which is IMO part of his charm. His ability to drill down in depth on various topics demonstrates his considerable knowledge. This enables him focus on the probing questions that leads to answers he and his viewers are seeking, rather then a rehash of things they already know.
Looking forward to part two!!
Bill, it must be a great honor to be validated by such highly respected people that have not only distinguished themselves over decades with insightful research and reporting, but have done so with considerable and unquestioned integrity. You are standing in great company. :thumbsup:
Make no doubt about it. There is an "Information War" aimed at the "alt-media". A primary target in this war is personal integrity. In my opinion, that is not an avenue your critics can pursue. :muscle:
I plan on posting more about this in the Corey Goode piece thread
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Just finished listening to part one... Bill,, you are a wordsmith! It is a pleasure listening. :):) You are really good at bringing all into context... I don't suppose you have an idea when part 2 will be published? ;);) Incase you still haven't listened, DJ leaves us on a bit of a cliff, with regards a story you want to tell,,, I thought it was brilliant... It feels like reliving it all, but from a much wiser posture.. For that i say "Thank you!"
Cheers,
Jake
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This quick response from Modwiz125 on Youtube does the 'wider issues' very well. He takes it beyond fantasy versus facts and brings it right back around to the Ground Crew realisation. A very positive direction to go with this issue, in my opinion. He's a different kind of voice probably speaking to a different kind of audience but whoever he's speaking to, I certainly get it, and I'm glad he's supporting Bill and opening up the conversation.
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Thanks for that Norman, It was good to hear from Modwiz again. Wonder if he'd ever consider another try here ... ? :)
EDIT: I have to say getting further into this .. Modwiz nails everything, a very well constructed and well vetted perspective, I couldn't agree more with what he's saying.
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I don't suppose you have an idea when part 2 will be published? ;);)
Typically, Daniel uploads weekly, even when there are several parts in the series. It's a hot topic on blogs, forums, etc, so fingers crossed it'll be sooner.
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Thanks for posting norman. Great Interview Bill. I like this DJ chap. Thanks for posting some of his other stuff RunningDeer. Looking forward to the second int. Good to see Modwiz lovely face, he's so right about the entertainment / distraction element to the searchers path. The key here as I see it is being able to discern authentic whistle-blowers. I think the logical argument here is that those whistle-blowers who are silenced must be true and those left alive to blab and monetize their blab must be false, is flawed. It's flawed I feel, because it can be used against us so easily. A good example being Sun Zu's dead spy strategy, in short it talks of leaving distracting false evidence in the hands of a messenger who dies seemingly in the pursuit of delivering the message.. I do agree about the tv show filter though. When it hits the ancient aliens audience I think we can say with absolute certainty that the message has been diluted, a lot.
Lets not fall into the old trap of thinking that only a woman drowned by us by dunking, can possibly be innocent of witchcraft.....x... N
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When is part 2 being released?? Eagerly waiting with anticipation.
Dave - Toronto
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This quick response from Modwiz125 on Youtube does the 'wider issues' very well. He takes it beyond fantasy versus facts and brings it right back around to the Ground Crew realisation. A very positive direction to go with this issue, in my opinion. He's a different kind of voice probably speaking to a different kind of audience but whoever he's speaking to, I certainly get it, and I'm glad he's supporting Bill and opening up the conversation.
Published on 8 May 2017
Bill Ryan is bringing awareness to a needed area of the
alternative-community online. There will be more on this in future Dark Journalist releases of this interview. I fully support what Bill is initializing, with the support of Richard Dolan and others.
Dark Journalist Interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qApt0...
Richard Dolan's blogpost from 2010:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showt...
OMG!! I'm only 12 minutes into this video and Modwiz is nailing it!!! I highly, recommend to all interested in examples of how the Information War and Information Operations are being conducted against the Alt-media today.
Bump:happythumbsup::happythumbsup:
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Glad to hear Daniel Liszt bring up Dr. John Brandenburg at the beginning of this interview even though briefly. I mentioned him myself in my most recent posts one seen here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1140168
Honestly I can’t understand why more forum members haven’t pursued his information over Corey Goode and other fantastical story tellers? Really?? Many tout they want disclosure which is basically what this man has given the public including scientific data and he’s been seemingly ignored on this forum and elsewhere from what I can see. Why aren’t people giddy about his work? I suspect it’s because he wasn’t ‘commercialized’ in the manner that Corey Goode has been. The fact that Corey has such a huge following shows how well ‘the programming’ has worked on the masses. Many people have lost their ability to discern properly and they think if someone doesn’t have their names in bright lights so to speak, then what they have to say is of no relevance. I think Bill touched on this a bit. I personally didn’t ‘follow’ Corey as initially his Milab background concerned me as often these people have a reputation of being compromised. Of course each individual needs to be vetted independent of one another, but that was my initial ‘feeling’. I don’t personally like to spend a lot of time on stories that are loaded with unverifiable information for obvious reasons.
As a long time member I have watched many of these so called alternative media gurus plant their false memes and stories onto the public and when some of us raised the warning bells we were literally shunned off this forum. I was accused of ‘grabbing the mic’, even had a thread started about me accusing me of ‘tilting at windmills’ and all my documented and well researched information shoved in a thread labeled ‘Conspiracy’ made not view-able to the public! The three people I questioned are now off this forum and yet back then, few listened to what I had to say and some forum members attacked me, when all I was trying to do was uncover the falsities of these individual’s claims!
So if this forum wants to be about getting to ‘the truth’ you might want to take some of your forum members work more seriously especially when we use science and well researched documentation to make our points. The problem I find is people don’t want to take the time to read. They want instant gratification and when you’re researching it can take many puzzle pieces combined before one can draw a definitive conclusion and even then a complete answer is not always possible if you have limited resources at your fingertips. If you don’t read what some of us are posting and you’re not good at memorizing pertinent points throughout your ‘researching ‘career, you will struggle connecting the dots properly. You cannot be a ‘truth seeker’ if you’re not a prolific reader. I’ve been researching since 2009 so my knowledge base wasn’t created over night and it certainly didn’t involve any cliff notes, lol. Anyone who researches if they truly are ‘researching’ will tell you they really don’t know ‘jack’ as that is what you begin to realize while investigating the plethora of rabbit holes.
Just a suggestion, if you want to be known as an ‘informed community’ of ‘truth’, take individuals who are well versed on specific topics and split off into groups. Be the researchers that you are, investigate, compare notes and then share your findings with everyone else on appropriate labeled threads. It’s impossible to be an expert on every topic, but people will appreciate the work if it’s presented clearly and fairly. The point isn’t to attack people, it’s to focus on the validity of their work/claims, if that’s even possible. In doing so, you will help create an environment that makes it harder for these false meme creators to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes and you will be teaching people how to discern/and process information at the same time.
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take individuals who are well versed on specific topics and split off into groups. Be the researchers that you are, investigate, compare notes and then share your findings with everyone else on appropriate labeled threads. It’s impossible to be an expert on every topic, but people will appreciate the work if it’s presented clearly and fairly. The point isn’t to attack people, it’s to focus on the validity of their work/claims, if that’s even possible. In doing so, you will help create an environment that makes it harder for these false meme creators to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes and you will be teaching people how to discern/and process information at the same time.
Excellent points,
Both the audience AND the presenter have a responsibility to the data at hand, or the lack there of. We should be collaboratively vetting, not blindly supporting or attacking.
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.........So if this forum wants to be about getting to ‘the truth’ you might want to take some of your forum members work more seriously especially when we use science and well researched documentation to make our points. The problem I find is people don’t want to take the time to read. They want instant gratification and when you’re researching it can take many puzzle pieces combined before one can draw a definitive conclusion and even then a complete answer is not always possible if you have limited resources at your fingertips. If you don’t read what some of us are posting and you’re not good at memorizing pertinent points throughout your ‘researching ‘career, you will struggle connecting the dots properly. You cannot be a ‘truth seeker’ if you’re not a prolific reader. I’ve been researching since 2009 so my knowledge base wasn’t created over night and it certainly didn’t involve any cliff notes, lol. Anyone who researches if they truly are ‘researching’ will tell you they really don’t know ‘jack’ as that is what you begin to realize while investigating the plethora of rabbit holes.......
I have to confess right here right now that I am completely guilty as charged. I hate big long reads and will do almost anything to avoid having to do it, including occasionally using txt to speech software to make it into something I can listen to.
There's something defective about my reading and writing functions. I don't ever criticise the youngesters for their lack of reading enthusiasm because I'd be the pot callign the kettle black. I've creatively come up with many workarounds that usually get me through stuff but at the end of the day I have to bow to you real and proper readers and writers.
