Printable View
Is it to militarize space or is it defensive in nature or is there another reason why President Trump is trying to establish a Space Force? To me this is Trumps way of opening the door to new tech and knowledge. Is there a reason why we shouldnt militarize space as Dr. Greer feared back in 2001?
What may be worth bearing in mind is that this really isn't a new concept. We already have
As well as
- United States Space Command, a former Unified Combatant Command of the U.S. Department of Defense, 1985–2002
- Air Force Space Command, a major command of the United States Air Force
- Joint Functional Component Command for Space, a component of U.S. Strategic Command
- Naval Space Command, a former military command of the U.S. Navy, 1983–2002
- United States Army Space and Missile Defense Command, a major command of the U.S. Army
- Russian Space Command, formerly a part of the Russian Aerospace Defense Forces
- Cyber and Information Space Command (Germany)
whoever controls/has the upper hand in near space (between earth and moon) controls the planet;
we already know that all of our communications are exclusively controled by satelites so what else are satelites controling that the general public has not yet been informed about?
let me guess...
Larry
It is not as if the United States could, 'control space'. It is already represented with the ISS, International Space Station. But, given Trump's blasé nature, he may just want it all.
Maybe in the future, certain areas of space will be patrolled and policed by a space force much like the ocean is today by submarines of many nations.
No one will be policing anything until they reveal cleaner burning, in-space, engine thrusters, (near Millennium Falcon-like, sci-fi tech). With the way things are going, this could be a while. Otherwise, whatever is hucked into space, will just be on a regular orbit - like every other piece of junk up there. Air Boosters/thrusters can only do so much to change this. However, I bet you that Skunkworks and Lockheed Martin, or some other like company, have something up there sleeve that would work in this regard.
My guess is, there are many investors who want to mine certain objects (moon, mars, asteroids), or are thinking of other lucrative schemes that would require essentially, 'space security'. What better way to protect your countries' investment?
Out of interest:Quote:
Posted by NeedleThreader
Quite a few years ago, Dr Bill Deagle said in one of his interviews or presentations (I can't recall which one!) that he'd been told by a very senior military officer that (my close paraphrase) "The US controls every inch of space between here and Mars."
Exactly. This isn't new, he's just trying to clue the public into it for the first time.Quote:
Posted by mojo
That's also why he's going around saying that the F-35 is "invisible" and making Lockheed executives cringe every time he says it. They've been sitting on this tech for decades. I've even heard that the key piece of technology associated with the F-35 isn't a plane at all, but you know how clever military disinfo can be. One thing is for sure: they've sank a fortune into developing it.
It USED to be whoever controlled the seas controlled the world.....now, space is the "sea" & we, the public have NO idea what is really going on out there!
I believe it was one of Linda M. Howe's contacts that told her we already have trade routes going in space.
One of George Kavasillas' video really made me sit up & take notice....he was in on a group that had to go in & dismantle a craft that had been designed to be able to destroy planets! :ROFL: TIAMAT, anyone?!!
This is one reason I am glad to see Trump & Putin working together.....I would say they BOTH realize what is already going on in space & know full well about the Dark Forces operating "out there" as well as here on Earth. It's just we, the public who are in complete ignorance of what is REALLY going on.
Remember when Putin disappeared for 10 days? It was rumored he might have been "off planet". Who knows? Maybe he was!! :ufo: I wonder where all that money went that Catherine Austin Fitts talks about?! :idea:
I would also like to add that it is good to remember that our Bill has been in on the Ground Floor from the beginning of this "craze", so I would credit him with any opinions he gives! ;) I also suspect that he knows much more that he really can't talk about!
The space force, and revised space council, are obvious efforts to start a 'narrative' about what will or 'should be' going on in space (around Earth). The U.S. congress has already passed legislation, i believe, that exempts corporations from taxation on space operations. The privatization of some of Nasa's technical duties, such as those done by spacex, are demonstrations of the american government's intent to corporatize space operations.
The 'narrative' appears that, as corporations start to openly develop operations in space, the US will want to extend its hegemony openly into this area. The space force will defend US 'strategic (ie. corporate fascist) interests' and police commercial activities out there.
There will likely be multi-facets to this 'narrative':
- firstly, the public will only be informed about info that is needed for the corporations to fascilitate commercial activities, including labour recruitment, out there
- the 'threats' posed by other space-faring nations, like russia, china, india, europe, japan, etc., will help justify massive expenditure in the space force
- 'disclosure' of the alien presence will likely be spun into a threat, as appeared with the recent aatip video release (ie. the pilot thought that the 'tic tac' ufo could be a 'threat'), which will likely be used to justify even further expenditures
- if the 'narrative' spin of an alien threat doesnt convince the public, and assuming that no fake alien invasion is 'performed', then watch tptb try to trot out an alien race 'saviour' species, like the grays (whom are completely untrustworthy), who have the 'know-how' to save us from ourselves
What the 'narrative' wont say is:
- that tptb have stolen $trillions from the public purse, and have developed:
- ftl inter-stellar space craft
- are commercially trading with multiple space faring species using treaties (likely completely illegal) that have been in place for decades
- have high-tech tech, much of it back-engineered from or given by, aliens
- this high tech includes free (zero point) energy, advanced medical treatments, enhanced communications (ie. Interstellar), advanced agro tech, advanced computer tech, advanced robotics, and, of course, extremely advanced weaponry (ie. see how the twin towers were vaporized)
I'm about half convinced that the SSP which developed immediately after WW2 started with the Nazis, who were both in Antarctica and by their own admission in contact with non-human intelligences before WW2 even started. Admiral Byrd was already terrified by the "idea" of supersonic aircraft flying from pole to pole very rapidly in 1947, so that wasn't our technology, nor apparently the Soviets'. From that point we either had an arms race and caught up with them and eventually defeated them, or there has been an alignment of interests and a treaty/alliance. I believe the Soviets were on board with this before their collapse as well, or at least their own military-industrial complex, which has links to the US's despite the political differences. We always hear from whistleblower types that all major nations are represented in the SSP.
All the activity going on around Antarctica has to be related to all of this. It's where the Nazis established a colony, Admiral Byrd came away from talking about supersonic aircraft, and where a lot of interesting people have been visiting lately. Erdogan even announced Turkey's ambitions in Antarctica after bizzarely declaring Turkey to be part of a group of victors of some unspecified conflict.
My opinion is that we should have planetary space defenses, not national space imperialism or corporate plundering of the solar system. The most evil beings possible are within the cosmos, there is no apex type of galactic war taking place (in other words there is order) however there is something of a military threat between races (good vs. evil). This galactic threat of war is prevented by proper military force versus the evil sources, the greater your military force is against the forces of evil the less prone they are to bring war to your doorstep.
How I see this happening is we build inbuilt-Ai controlled inter-planar directed energy weapon sentinels that pair with any superluminal spaceship that leaves the solar system. They can double as prevention mechanisms for citizens getting lost in space.
Mr. Greer's lobby for no weapons in space is good with a planet full of corrupted powers, but isn't practical for the real universe. Evil exists in the cosmos, and they are able to get to our planet. I personally agree with a proper military space force. Ending all standing armies and turning the societal structure into a space program.
That would be quiet the feat. I can imagine probes and space drones monitoring this amount of space but controlled? After all the craft I have seen leaving and coming into our atmosphere, this would almost make sense! If there are just blatantly using the advanced tech to run trade routes and policing of space, that would be intense, would love to be pointed to more interviews with this info, Ill start looking myself and post back here if I find anything.
After reading these posts, it would make sense if all this 'was in place' and they had Trump give this statement as a precursor to what was in the pipeline.
I have never understood why UFOs have a 'white light' that is visible on the spectrum perceivable, by our eyes. Most UFOs are only filmed because of this white light that lets you see it at night. Why would they do this? Why not stealth it up? How on EARTH are they using 'lights', so similar to what we know here at all?
Omni: I am having trouble connecting with your idea of building an army to eventually do battle with the cosmos, or as you put it, build up a large enough army so no force will mess with you. The exotic technologies that other alien civilizations must have are completely unfathomable and would be impossible to predict their weapons systems, strategies, and motives.
Imagine the earth joining together for the first time in history to fight an unearthly foe. At this point the earth has spent untold trillions of money units to build a space war ship/mother ship, for interplanetary travel. All it would take is some aliens to decide they do not like this idea, they zoom in on undetectable 'cloak/invisible mode', and send a single EMP or some other devastating device unto the ship. I mean, we still rely on electricity to do everything. Even banana girl probably uses a blender for her banana smoothies.
Maybe in a thousand years after another civilization fail or two.
Foxie, nothing would make me happier if Russia and America came together and overthrew the powers that be. Giddy with joy I would be, but I am not so sure we can pull that away from the Summit meeting, a few rehearsed lines exchanged between leaders to the world is nothing groundbreaking and new. However, the proof is in the pudding and we shall see, I will ride off of your optimism on this one!
I'd say it wasn't about the few "rehearsed lines" of Trump & Putin, that was for public show, as we are well aware. What matters is what they agreed upon while the two of them were together behind the scenes. :silent:
And whatever they talked about we will never know.
I guess we can tell by their "deeds".....check out the video Paul put up of a Russian discussion group.
Speaking of trade routes, that does make a lot of sense.Quote:
Posted by NeedleThreader
Joseph P. Farrell has already been arguing that the SSP secured its funding by promising the central bankers that they would return their investment in gold and other valuable minerals mined from space. This agreement is the source of the famous "fake" US bonds with space symbolism on them, denominated in insane dollar amounts.
In other words, the same way the early European explorers promised their investors a share of the gold and any other loot they returned from the Americas with, the military contractors involved with the space program secured investments by also promising a share of the "loot" in return.
It's only a small step from Dr. Farrell's theory, to imagining that the grand commercial trade routes to space minerals is already established and operational. And we could be talking trillions of dollars worth of raw materials.
It is likely another way to send money to the military-industrial-complex and to those who profit from it.
As to the makeup of such a Space Force, here's an excerpt from "New Scientist" about what to expect:
11 April, 2018
War in space may happen soon, but it won’t be what you expect
"The US is making noises about increasingly militarising space, but orbital conflict won’t be a battle of spaceships and bombs
“It’s not fighter jocks, it’s not marines, it’s not special-operations guys,” says Todd Harrison at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington DC. “It’s a bunch of engineers sitting in a control centre and sitting in labs. The space domain is going to be dominated by nerds.”
We know this, because the US space force already exists. The Air Force Space Command has been around since 1982 and employs more than double the number of people at NASA, the US civilian space agency, to operate and protect military satellites. The space force proposal for Congress wasn’t really about creating a new branch of the military, but part of a long-running push to move the space command out from under air force leadership, making space a higher priority.
Plus, sending a human to fight a war in space is simply not efficient. “Humans are fragile and sustaining them in space takes a lot of support,” says Laura Grego at the Union of Concerned Scientists in Cambridge, Massachusetts. “The Chinese and the Russians aren’t going to send marines to space either, because they know physics too.”
Physics also rules out orbital bombardment. Objects in orbit move at high speeds, so aren’t over a single spot on the planet for long. That means attacking a specific area at short notice would require placing hundreds of weapons in orbit to ensure one is overhead at the right moment. An aircraft carrier loaded with bombers or ballistic missiles would be much more effective.
Deadly debris
What war in space really comes down to is satellites – using them, destroying them and defending them. The US and Soviet Union started launching satellites in the 1950s and many were designed to spy on the military operations of other nations or to target nuclear weapons. This dissuaded any attacks on satellites, because one nation would instantly know that the other was responsible and probably attempting to disable its nuclear capability. Space war would swiftly become nuclear war, so satellites were a key part of nuclear deterrence.
Since the cold war ended, satellites have increasingly been used in everyday military operations. They enable weapons targeting, espionage, GPS tracking and secure communications, making them juicy targets. This proliferation has weakened the deterrence aspect of satellites – no one would launch a global nuclear war on the back of one destroyed piece of hardware. That makes space war more feasible. “We have these valuable space assets, and they’re fairly vulnerable because it’s hard to protect things in space” says Grego.
In a space war, no gun-toting humans would be involved
Disabling an enemy satellite has also become easier. Previously, the only options were shooting a projectile at it or smashing your own satellite into it. Such “kinetic attacks” tend to be seen as a bad idea. In 2007, China launched a missile to destroy one of its own weather satellites. This test created more space debris than any other event in history – thousands of shards more than a few centimetres across, and many more smaller ones.
“That debris stays in orbit, zooming around at high speeds,” says Grego. The resulting high-velocity shards endanger everyone’s assets, including those of the attacker and innocent bystanders.
That is why a space war is most likely to be waged more discreetly, with jamming, spoofing and hacking. Jamming a satellite is fairly simple: you just need a device that emits a lot of noise in the radio or microwave wavelengths used by the target satellite, so that genuine signals can’t be received. Spoofing is similar, but the attacker also creates a false transmission that masquerades as the target satellite’s signal.
Examples of satellite jamming and spoofing have been reported all around the world, from governments blocking television or radio signals, to ships being sent fake location data, to private citizens jamming GPS signals so they can’t be tracked.
Actually hacking into a satellite and taking control of it is more difficult. There have been only a few reports of hackers taking over satellites, including one against a US National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration satellite in 2014. Hackers in China reportedly temporarily took over the satellite’s command and control system but didn’t send it any directives."
So, while there may be some military men and women donning cool new uniforms (vintage Star Trek is actually being mooted ; ) ) the warriors will look and fight, more like the current contingent of drone pilots.
B.
Interesting posts here, but I would say that the Dire state of consciousness of the current human race would be a bar to anything of substance being launched ‘up there’. The benevolent Galactics (or whatever term you’d use for friendly extra-terrestial species) simply would not allow us to take our aggression into space.
But given that there is indeed, a Secret Space Project, (whatever you want to call it) I think they’ve only been allowed to go so far, & that’s it - no carousing beyond our solar system. I simply cannot see any kind of serious warfare developing – even in orbit, as our (benevolent) space brothers have the means to sabotage - & have done so - any aggressive-intent weapons launching.
Indeed there are a few malevolent species who would encourage our warlike tendencies, should we meet them (we very likely have!) but I believe in the power of the Divine & that Humankind is on track for ascension to a higher consciousness & we are being helped in this by higher evolved entities in the universe, who will not allow us to create great damage & blow ourselves & the planet to smithereens….
I can sleep happy then!
Just my take.
I agree Mari, there are DEFINITELY, if I know anything in this crazy world, I at least know there are benevolent ETs up there.
I have heard they have shut down nuke launches.
By the way, foxie, here are mike pompeo's comments and bullet point on what POTUS and putin said.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...7ea52a310c9797
Here is a public reason to have a dedicated space force- China shoots down their own satellite in 2007, US did the same in 2005?
Private satellites and private space companies are popping up all over the world. How many weapons are in space right now? In 25 years, the space up there is going to be pretty complicated!
Of course, the space force is nothing new, however I think some of the technology is going to become declassified soon. It just seems rational to conclude that there is a funding issue at work here.
Having said all of this, I’m aware that anything declassified is going to be years behind the reality.
While I do agree with a planetary space force (as seen in my first post), I do not believe the current military hierarchy will manage it with pure intent...
Another perspective that the creation of an authorized Space Force does is that it will be a public resource for the dissemination of information such as technology, and current events. Maybe some black projects can move into the public arena as well through the Space Force? According to others like Richard Dolan we have a secret space force that we dont hear about. Maybe a public one will have to answer to the public?
Just and FYI.
Recently they divorced cyberspace operations from space operations officially. I saw it on the natsec twitter i set up. I could find it if you all are really interested. I am pretty sure it was on the https://twitter.com/AFSpace
Did you know that all your favorite national security appratus have their own twitters?
Did you know that these exist https://twitter.com/NavysFlagship That is the twitter for the USS Blue Ridge the Navy Flag ship in the Pacific.
It is weird time we live in where our weapons systems have their own twitter acconts
Sure, I don't see any reason why a new branch of the military wouldn't comply with existing declassification schedules for FOIA requests that have already been in place. I guess we'll have to wait 30 years to find out :)Quote:
Posted by mojo
USAF and the Space FenceQuote:
Posted by Joe from the CarolinasSure, I don't see any reason why a new branch of the military wouldn't comply with existing declassification schedules for FOIA requests that have already been in place. I guess we'll have to wait 30 years to find out :)Quote:
Posted by mojo
U.S. 'Space Fence' Radar System Goes Silent, After 50 Years September 3, 2013
The Space Fence is down. That's the message we get from the SatWatch site, following up on our report last month that the U.S. Air Force was poised to shut down the radar system that tracks thousands of objects orbiting Earth. It had been in operation since 1961.
The Space Fence — also known by its formal name, the Air Force Space Surveillance System — consists of three transmitters and six receivers that stretch across the southern U.S., using radio waves to paint a picture of a slice of space. The items it detected ranged from satellites and debris to meteors.
"The final satellite I captured an RF reflection from was the Meteor Priroda," says Mike Coletta of SatWatch, "which went over the transmitter site at approx 0000 hrs UTC [on Sept. 1], and there have been no more reflections since that time."
Shutting down the system will save around $14 million annually, the Air Force Space Command said last month. The agency hopes to install a new version of the fence using technology that it says will be more accurate.
News of a pending shutdown came last month after an Air Force memo came to light. That led to criticism from experts who say the fence should not be shut down before a new system is in place.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...after-50-years
So guess who is running it now?
Lockheed Martin prepares to turn on U.S. Air Force Space Fence on Kwajalein Atoll
SAN FRANCISCO — In June, Lockheed Martin plans to complete integration of the U.S. Air Force Space Fence on Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands and begin tracking objects, at least in a testing mode.
Full integration and testing is scheduled to begin in July as the company confirms the S-band radar array meets all contractual requirements.
“After that, we will turn it over to the Air Force for testing and trials,” said Bruce Schafhauser, Lockheed Martin Space Fence program manager.
As companies prepare to send hundreds or thousands of satellites into communications constellations in low Earth orbit, government agencies and commercial satellite operators are calling for enhanced space situational awareness and space traffic management.
The Air Force Space Fence in Kwajalein will help but Lockheed Martin is hoping to provide additional observations with a second Space Fence in Western Australia. The Air Force authorized Lockheed Martin to begin surveying the site for the second radar facility but has not yet allocated funding to build it.
https://spacenews.com/lockheed-marti...ajalein-atoll/
trump will keep the aliens out with this new fence........ I thought it was an interesting sidenote
Since the SSP went rogue from government accountability (and the original Nazi SSP was never under our control at all), trying to bring it back under control and bring it above the board so that the public knows about it, obviously requires working with the commanders of that force and the corporate executives overseeing the equipment manufacturing. Deals have to be made.
In the same way we had to reach out to North Korea and negotiate a deal, someone has had to do the same with the SSP at some point, or is in the process of doing so now. Lockheed is a part of that, and part of the negotiations are obviously continuing the supply of funds to the program.
Good find on the space fence report. Another blatant merger between public and private. I won’t quote the post because the length would cycle the thread, but something has also been happening between the US and Australian space commands, concerning this space surveillance network. I’m doubtful it just involves radar stations:
In 2013, the U.S. Secretary of Defense and Australian Minister of Defence signed an MOU agreeing to relocate the Space Surveillance Telescope from the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico to Harold E. Holt Naval Communication Station in Western Australia. Australia offers a uniquely beneficial vantage point for operational testing and demonstration of SST’s enhanced algorithms and camera. After the move, SST will be owned by the United States Air Force, but operated and maintained by Australia. It will be a dedicated sensor in the U.S. Space Surveillance Network (SSN).
The most sophisticated space surveillance telescope ever developed is ready to begin tracking thousands of space objects as small as a softball.
https://www.darpa.mil/program/space-...ance-telescope
Interesting theories included
Quote:
Posted by Star Tsar
Interesting how around 2011-2013, the missions to Antarctica became a rite of passage around here. Why did a desolate grab of landscape suddenly become top grub? The focus was on the middle east. Why focus on gassing up nearly 300k in lbs of JET-8 for a flight to where you can brag about the cold, but never about where precisely you were?
Would like to know whats gone on here ?
NASA astronaut Robb Kulin quits halfway through training.
The former SpaceX engineer is the first astronaut to quit NASA training for more than 50 years, citing "personal reasons".
https://news.sky.com/story/nasa-astr...ining-11485387
Hey Mojo, I'll let Senator Blumenthal tell it!
WOW Star Tsar!!!!!!!!!! Thats incredible to hear and leads to so many possibilities... In a way its unfair to hear such a tidbit without knowing the threat but maybe all the news reporting is getting people ready to hear it. I think Trump will declassify.... crazy times we're in....
Omni wrote, "I personally agree with a proper military space force. Ending all standing armies and turning the societal structure into a space program." I wholeheartedly concur. I'm all for peace- have seen war, fifty years ago, and am not a fan- though we were led to believe it was truly necessary. Now, at the age of sixty-nine, I question the sanity of Man, where we are constantly at war, within the realm of Man, fighting wars amongst ourselves, rather than preparing to defend ourselves against potential hostiles abroad in the universe. "Si vis pacem, para bellum." Translated from Latin to English, "If you want peace, prepare for war." -Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, also remembered as, General Vegetius, of the Roman Army. He was correct in his analysis of the human condition, and penchant for war.
OldArcher
Everyone, please remember what President Reagan said, as to the Soviets (understanding the Russians are no less soft than their Communist forbearers)- "Trust, but verify." Mr. Reagan judged them correctly, and one must never forget that Vladimir Putin WAS a high level KGB officer. You don't get to be a Colonel, only drinking vodka at parties.Quote:
Posted by NeedleThreader
OldArcher
Fellow Aspirant, I find it interesting that some would think that space combat or defense would be relegated to control by "nerds." Sitting in a control room, far removed from the scene of combat, regardless of how "inefficient" frail humans can be, is humorous. Ponder this, if you will- Suppose that Man has succeeded in reverse engineering ET technology, or has formed alliances with ETs. Along with either possibility, artificial gravity, inertia controls, the sci-fi equivalent of "force fields" have been attained or received. If space combat becomes fact, rather than fiction, I'd rather have those with "The Right Stuff," as in the astronauts I've met, at the controls, at the weapon's stations, than only having an AI work the problem. Humans, provided intel, knowledge, and skills, might well be superior, at least at this time, in communications and negotiations, if at all possible. If Mankind becomes spacefaring, we will need to work with ET's, and that means interfacing with them. Maybe ET AI's can handle that, but I'd prefer Humans to have the oversight and operational control.
We won't always be in LEO. It's in our nature to always push the envelope, to know what's out there. Nerds do that vicariously. The men and women that take the risks, and hang it all out there, have skin in the game. Somebody else will drive the "trash trucks" that clear LEO- not those who "man" Mankind's investment in becoming a "spacefaring nation," and by that, I mean Earth. This lunacy of fighting amongst ourselves, has got to stop. Those who won't, need to remember that it's the fate and future of Man- or perish. Harsh, but true. I WANT my children, and theirs, and theirs, etcetera, EVERYONE'S children, to have a chance at "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness..." Until there is peace, the hopes and dreams of Man, are on hold, or are in jeopardy...
Yeah, I drag my knuckles, drool, and am old fashioned. But, hey, that's just me...
OldArcher
Larry, don't you mean that our communications are facilitated by satellites, rather than controlled by them?
OldArcher
Well reasoned, A Voice from the Mountains. If you're going to invest your precious treasure, those manning and spearheading Human spacefaring efforts, it only makes sense to expect a reasonable return on that investment. Trade routes make sense, and depending upon the alliances and relations with other races/species, it behooves us to be more honorable and even handed with others, than we have been, collectively, in our past...Quote:
Posted by A Voice from the MountainsSpeaking of trade routes, that does make a lot of sense.Quote:
Posted by NeedleThreader
Joseph P. Farrell has already been arguing that the SSP secured its funding by promising the central bankers that they would return their investment in gold and other valuable minerals mined from space. This agreement is the source of the famous "fake" US bonds with space symbolism on them, denominated in insane dollar amounts.
In other words, the same way the early European explorers promised their investors a share of the gold and any other loot they returned from the Americas with, the military contractors involved with the space program secured investments by also promising a share of the "loot" in return.
It's only a small step from Dr. Farrell's theory, to imagining that the grand commercial trade routes to space minerals is already established and operational. And we could be talking trillions of dollars worth of raw materials.
OldArcher
Alfred Thayer Mahan's "Manifest Destiny" did not serve us well, after more than a century in practice. Gunboat diplomacy on an interplanetary or interstellar scale would only bring about more enemies than we currently have. Considering the fact that everybody now operating along planetary/stellar trade routes might well be superior to what we may now, theoretically have, it's a non-starter. Rather than looking to take unfair advantage of others, we will be the ones with cap extended for handouts- technology, intel, ect. Nope, we must never get into positions whereby others can look at us, and see us as little better than bullies or locusts...Quote:
Posted by Ron Mauer Sr
As to Pres. Eisenhower's "military-industrial complex" warning, we are, unfortunately there, or on it's cusp. Responsibility and accountability must be the norm. If not, we carry our sins, flaws, and weaknesses to the stars. That would be a tragedy that our race might never recover from.
OldArcher
Concur, Omni. Those that lead the Space Force must be vetted for suitability- if it were possible, to have been bred and trained to accept the stark responsibilities for posts that have the very safety and future of Earth in their hands. Not since the Cold War, when men sat in silos, roamed beneath the hostile seas, or flew near, or sometimes within "enemy" territory, have such warriors been on such long patrols or deployments.Quote:
Posted by Omni
No, I do not refer to our brave men and women who have put so much on the line, and put so much down range... THEY are the greatest generation, no disrespect to my Father's generation, or my own, but many of our young people have more trigger time, than all previous wars America has fought in.
No, the Space Force, or whatever folks want to call it, will have some of those magnificent warriors, but mostly as ship or base security. Assaults or ship boarding's will come to pass. Until then, astronaut/cosmonaut type personnel will be necessary, similar to submarines, surface combatants, and fighter or bomber pilots and crews. The "field of combat" will necessarily be different, and require superb training- from working on ship's systems, to fighting the ships themselves. The skillsets of such organizations, is mindboggling. It will take, or has taken, decades to achieve such professionalism. Started far enough back, as far as we can extrapolate the formation of a Secret Space Force, the learning curve would have begun steeply, and then leveled out into a steady progression of professionalism and technical excellence. If we're just starting now, we're w-a-y t-o-o l-a-t-e... We don't have much, if any, time, before we must emigrate, colonize, and become self sufficient.
Sorry for pontificating.
OldArcher
mojo, I'm not sanguine with putting Earth's Space Force at the mercy of flaky, irresponsible, possibly corrupt, politicians. Too much rides upon too few, to ensure our very survival. Expand- explore, colonize, build self sufficient hubs of civilization, where trade can expand the sphere of human influence. We'll need trained, ethical people to do this, and it will take time... Just remember, the primary concern or interest of any organism, living or artificial, as in government and business, exists only to replicate itself, and to perpetuate itself. If that is it's prime directive, and people hold the reins of power, self destruction is already built in. We MUST change and adapt- or perish.Quote:
Posted by mojo
OldArcher