QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

Since the QAnon phenomenon began in late October, 2017 - slowly at first and then picking up momentum and an ever growing number of followers globally - voices were raised in earnest that it was nothing more than a LARP (Live Action Role Play), a conspiracy theory, psyop and even a cult, as it has indeed taken on many of those attributes by those who are skeptical of "Q's" true intentions or who "Q" really may be?

Is "Q" really providing insider military intelligence to enlighten the public, or is it something more sinister?

The purpose of this thread is to discuss an opposing viewpoint, concerns, share evidence of the same and offer a counter narrative to the "Q" followers.

(Mods please feel free to move thread or edit title as you see fit - KE) :thumbsup:

This video from the Kev Baker Show, outlines some of those concerns, providing evidence that "Q" just may be the "LARP of the Century".


The Final Q'urtain For #Qanon As LARP Of The Century Fully EXPOSED! 🙈

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LZv0_ZT50Oc

The Kev Baker Show
Streamed live on Sep 5, 2018
#TeamKBS #KevBakerShow #Truth

Big news overnight with Jack Posobiac making good on his claims that he would publish evidence that would prove there is no military insider or Trump associate at the centre of the Qanon conspiracy. On the contrary, its turns out to be just the LARP we said it all was & with online trolls at the centre of it.

Im getting ready for the barrage of down votes & negative comments, because people just dont like to admit they have been duped, & on this one, duped big time.

Kev Baker comes to you from Glasgow, Scotland & is the host of The Kev Baker Show on Truth frequency radio. Kev covers topics ranging from geopolitics to the paranormal.

Ty KiwiElf for creating this thread. Those with an opposing view can share without feeling supporters of Q aren't being attacked, and it sure makes sense.

Q seems like a replay of David Wilcock-sponsored hope porn. Drake was going to change the world, remember? And if he couldn't do it, surely all the supersoldiers will beam down from Mars and do it, no?

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Posted by TomKat

Q seems like a replay of David Wilcock-sponsored hope porn. Drake was going to change the world, remember? And if he couldn't do it, surely all the supersoldiers will beam down from Mars and do it, no?

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How does Q seem like a replay? The two seem nothing alike to me. Although I have noticed that David Wilcox has tried to co-opt Q and call Q a part of his "Alliance" thing.

I have witnessed things in relation to Q. Right before he came about I was conveyed by a cybernetic source there was a new psyop coming. That psyop turned out to be Q Anon. Without going too far into unbelievable detail, I believe this is a calculated alternative media psyop by the American intelligence community.

Corey Goode is a similar psyop to Q Anon, devised by the same people. One thing that appears obvious to me is that the real story of inside opposition is being bastardized in both Corey Goode and Q Anon's psyops. There is a real opposition being misconceived with these psyops. False versions of things are being mind programmed and psychologically anchored. Very evil agendas are being pushed forward with these 2 psyops, and the evil is quite imperceivable.

In a nutshell: alternative media is being engulfed in darkness while it is mesmerized with false light.

So I don't have to feel guilty about my Q misgivings here. Cool. For the record however I was a pessimist way before Q came along.

One of my passing dark thoughts I envision in this regard is a similarity to the Bernie Sanders phenom. Sanders corralled young people together who wanted something other than Clinton. He attracted and gathered large groups and the energy was high, a movement was starting. I see the same in the Trump rallies. Large numbers who don't want globalism being corralled and gathered and you can feel the excitement, see the Q shirts, a movement is starting.

But at a critical point Bernie stopped. He turned to multitudes and said, 'We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really should follow Clinton...'

Will Trump at a critical point, stop and turn to the multitudes and say, 'We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really need to follow_________....'

I don't know who or what fills the blank but methinks it will be deflating at best and at worst depressing.

One of several passing dark thoughts...

QAnon is no differant than Trump supporters, Clinton supporters,Netanyaho supporters, and so on and so on whatever supporters.

Whether it be left, or right. It is all bull****.

We are a Republic period.

Not a democracy. Period again.

This arguement about anyone in politics being a good guy is just pure ****.

Look up. ARE THEY STILL SPRAYING? Yup. Look down now. Are the gmo crops still being planted and consumed? Yup.

Are vaccines , and big pharma still around. Yup.

I choose to piss on the lot of them.

Just my minds worth.

My view is that the vagueness of his or her posts leaves much room for interpretation and speculation, this in itself feeds into the followers cravings and dot connecting. Secondly, IF he or she were a genuine threat to information security the various agencies who could silence him or her would silence him or her. Thirdly the posts read differently to me, suggesting more than one poster sharing the same access, but again one poster or a team, IF they were a threat they would have been closed down.

If THEY can close down low levels like Alex Jones and scare off insiders in middle management like Edward Snowdon, imagine the team that must be set up purely dedicated to uncovering and closing down Q???

Yet he or she broadcasts uninterrupted..

Ergo, therefore, the ONLY logical conclusion is that either Q is a government sponsored phsyop for some unseen purpose, most likely distraction, or Q is being allowed to spill his or her beans without impediment???

If he or she is being allowed to broadcast, one must question why? Either the content is not a threat or the content is being directed, either way it is not worth anymore of my time. In the unlikely event that he or she reveals anything conclusively useful I am fully ready to eat my hat. IMHO....x.... N

My dark thought is about hearing "We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really need to follow my Evangelical Christian VP Mike Pence."
...Inasmuch as it looks like the Democrat's candidate is sure to lose...

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Will Trump at a critical point, stop and turn to the multitudes and say, 'We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really need to follow_________....'

I don't know who or what fills the blank but methinks it will be deflating at best and at worst depressing.

One of several passing dark thoughts...

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Going to admit ignorance on the specific topic.

I have found the "playing field" to be a whole bunch of chatter.

I quit paying attention to the majority of sources. I mostly read about foreign countries from their own statements, and mostly watch our government by the legislation and Executive Orders that come through, rather than a second party sensationalizing it.

Unfortunately I've found that I could disassemble almost every trend or school of thought that comes along because for the most part they are all either promoting something (a hoax, monetary value, etc.) or trying to hide something. At some level, I find a mistake or problem with almost any public personality who does these kinds of things.

I place a huge value on good investigative journalism such as ANNA, best coverage of Syria if you don't mind crunching it through a translator, and probably come across as brash because I tend to dismiss most of the framed dialogues and insider stuff that many people follow. Like the whole c2c phenomenon, I wouldn't spend any time with it and have no real experience with it.

If Q is stating or implying that "U. S. is a democracy", then a bit of it is untrue, at a minimum.

I don't think Qanon is a LARP at all. Too much inside info and simply too much info period for someone to carry on some prank. Now, psyop? Definitely possible, since military/intel is involved. One thing I'm pretty sure is, they'll have to do something in the next 2 months that will likely prove it is real or not. I'm still a believer.

I just posted this in the Q thread, but it's pertinent to this thread:

It finally dawned on me what one of the main purposes of Qanon was … to organize us.


Knowing that they know everything, thanks to the NSA collecting everything about everyone, they determined that there were enough of us out here who are fed up with the corruption and evil of the deep state. "They" to whom I am referring to is/are the Q-team, which I presume to be a mixture of intel/military white hats who are also fed up with the corruption and evil. With their access to all that info - what websites we visit, our comments at those websites, etc. - they were able to determine "we" vs. "they." The Q-team tallied it up and realized they had a powerful, yet untapped, disorganized army of us -- us being the decent, ordinary, every-day folk who want an honest and fair government, an end to corruption and their satanic-child-killing ways, and to just pursue happiness, enjoy life and actually live with liberty.


Now, instead of us shouting into various echo chambers, we have been rallied around Q and now have a powerful, collective voice. Don't believe it? Check out all the Q-followers at Trump rallies, comment sections and especially Q-cited Tweets, where the Q army arrives by the hundreds and responds with a variety of comments, memes, jokes, facts, etc. that blow the bad guys out of the water. I never followed "Twitter" before or had any desire to do so. But now it puts a smile on my face to check out a Tweet referenced by Q then to scroll down below what is often some phony, sanctimonious tweet by a deep state swamp rat, and read reply after reply after reply from informed opposition that shred the mendacity to ribbons and share information that is likely to pique the interest of someone not yet in the loop to take the red pill and jump down the hole.

Connecting dots by solving puzzles is fun and very informative for truth seekers, Q is great for this.

The installation of hope for a brighter future in any figure/s outside ourselves as individuals or a collective - any authority figure - whether it be political, religious or otherwise, is total bull****.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=39Yp9RTgXOo

I have come to despise Q for this.

If you haven’t watched the following documentary, I highly recommend watching it, it’s long but worth it.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM

Then consider this; Trump gives $717 billion defense bill a green light. Here's what the Pentagon is poised to get

Nuff said.

Thank you for starting this thread, Kiwi. It’s nice to be able to express our opinions freely here; the fact that a number of us don’t feel we can on the Q thread and how some Q followers don’t seem to care about that, or refuse to acknowledge the obvious division it’s creating/deepening, is concerning and sad.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cKSUlfT_MnM

I don’t support the title of the video unless you consider personal testimony valid evidence but there are plenty of details given that may prove enlightening on closer inspection. For example; if Q no longer predicts Trump tweets then that supports the claim about the method used to make those predictions. Or, if Q continues to predict Trump tweets (and the tool still doesn’t show them in advance at this time) then that invalidates that claim.

Credit to RaiseMachine for sharing this video HERE.

The video in the OP is quite revealing, and Rachel's above. Watching them I've come to learn:

Among the Q instigators there were some good intentions, but mostly they wanted merchandising money.

The Q instigators exploited a early twitter feed source, where twitter itself had a ten to fifteen minute delay before the tweets were published, but a 3rd party media reporting service was more instant allowing the illusion of preempting Trumps tweets, hence the +++ 'evidence of authenticity'. This has since been fixed, which is why it doesn't happen any more. The evidence shown... apoQalypse?

Q may or may not be a psyop, but plenty of proofs have been provided over the months to show Q and Trump are working together.

Just today I am reminded of this early evidence (11/8/17) that Q again referred to on 9/6.

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/09/0...ng-neonrevolt/

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Q then responds to this post from #Anon:

https://www.neonrevolt.com/wp-conten...compressed.jpg

Now, this was an old #QConfirmation Q is just reminding us of. I’ll explain for those who may just be joining us, and having a hard time following along:

Back in November, when Q was relatively new, one of the earliest proofs of his validity came in the form of this post:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...548608/photo/1


If you were to save that image directly from Twitter, the filename starts the phrase DOITQ. See:

https://www.neonrevolt.com/wp-conten...7_16-51-31.png

Thus, the chances of this happening randomly are:

https://www.neonrevolt.com/wp-conten...7_13-48-56.png

And Q is highlighting these “coincidences” because of the #Microchip drama that continues to unfold.

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My dark thought is about hearing "We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really need to follow my Evangelical Christian VP Mike Pence."
...Inasmuch as it looks like the Democrat's candidate is sure to lose...

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Posted by Helene West

Will Trump at a critical point, stop and turn to the multitudes and say, 'We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really need to follow_________....'

I don't know who or what fills the blank but methinks it will be deflating at best and at worst depressing.

One of several passing dark thoughts...

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Hi onawah and Helene, you might want to listen to this interview with Steve Pieczenik. It would be all over youtube by now, but . . . .



Not quite central to the point of referring you to the interview, but, Mike Pence isn't evangelical. He's catholic.


https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1246545

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NHGS0r0dV0Y

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Published on Feb 16, 2018

A Navy Gunner who held a Top Secret\ Sensitive compartmentalized Information (TS\SCI) clearance speaks to us about concerns with the ongoing Qanon revelations.

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Has Q claimed Q clearance, or is that theorised by QAnon, or is that just what the MSM is saying? I’m wondering because if that were true, and Trump was a part of it (I’m assuming that’s inferred by his part in the thumbs photo), then wouldn’t Trump be making himself a sitting duck and leaving himself wide open for prosecution since it’s secret information. Or is Q not dropping secret information, in which case; what’s the point?

QAnon keeps suggesting to read the source ourselves when we’re not convinced but why can’t QAnon just answer questions, since they’ve been keeping up and it’s a lot to read for casual and/or sceptical observers? It would serve Q to either become direct at this point or more accommodating, since otherwise one is left with the impression that it requires a kind of brainwashing to be comprehended.

This isn’t constructive when you have the MSM calling QAnon a cult; not for Q/QAnon or any of the fields of research QAnon covers. Too bad for everyone else who has taken great care to maintain credibility in these fields throughout the years. If it’s not a provable or easily demonstrated theory then isn’t it irresponsible to not at least acknowledge that and be reasonable about it, instead of behaving like a bunch of JWs bashing us with their bibles?

Questions asked in earnest. Best to all.

According to the first article I read about him, he was Catholic, but then became an Evangelical. In this article, he describes himself as a born again Evangelical Catholic:
https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-...lical-catholic

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My dark thought is about hearing "We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really need to follow my Evangelical Christian VP Mike Pence."
...Inasmuch as it looks like the Democrat's candidate is sure to lose...

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Posted by Helene West

Will Trump at a critical point, stop and turn to the multitudes and say, 'We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really need to follow_________....'

I don't know who or what fills the blank but methinks it will be deflating at best and at worst depressing.

One of several passing dark thoughts...

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Hi onawah and Helene, you might want to listen to this interview with Steve Pieczenik. It would be all over youtube by now, but . . . .



Not quite central to the point of referring you to the interview, but, Mike Pence isn't evangelical. He's catholic.


https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1246545

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I'd like to thank KiwiElf for starting this thread. It's important for members (not just myself!) to be able to offer a sane, argued, courteous, grounded, alternative view without fear of an arrogant, sarcastic response.

(And @KiwiElf: you have fairly often verbally bullied and/or belittled those who even ask questions and aren't as familiar with the material as you openly pride yourself to be. That's not okay. I'm assuming that because you started this thread, you are aware of this, so thank you again.)

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*/mod hat on*

I’m glad we have a thread where people on the fence can express divergent views without being challenged, proved wrong, overwhelmed, or picked apart. I appreciate Kiwi 🥝 starting it. This thread was probably long overdue. :happythumbsup:

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There is not and will not be a reading or watching requirement for posting in this thread, and, this will not be a place to push Q posts or convince disbelievers that they are wrong.

Members are doing a very fine job with regular Q updates and Q analysis here- https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...swamp-critters

Given the passionate emotional and time investment involved with Q Anon Research, content in this thread may be difficult for some people to read. Please, be respectful and stay on topic for this thread.

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Whether it be left, or right. It is all bull****.

We are a Republic period.

Not a democracy. Period again.

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Agreed, except that I would use the term corporate dictatorship rather than republic.

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Whether it be left, or right. It is all bull****.

We are a Republic period.

Not a democracy. Period again.

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Agreed, except that I would use the term corporate dictatorship rather than republic.

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Then, if I may be so bold, you are not in agreement. A corporate dictatorship is essentially the generally accepted definition of fascism. A true Republic is not a fascist state

What is interesting that many people observe, is that in Congress one can see on both sides of the Bench in the great hall a fasces. A fasces is associated with Fascism in Fascist Italy. Fasces were in the ancient Roman Empire a bundle of rods, representing the masses, bound by twine with a projecting ax and blade, representing the power of the state. That does smack of an indication of Fascism in our Republic.

One of Q's keywords is breadcrumbs, right? Who needs breadcrumbs? Dogs and beggars. That should be a clue that it's all a psy-op.

Q has peaked. The Alt Media Steering Committee will roll out another rinky-dink-psyop within 1-2 months. Stay tuned.

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Posted by onawah

My dark thought is about hearing "We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really need to follow my Evangelical Christian VP Mike Pence."
...Inasmuch as it looks like the Democrat's candidate is sure to lose...

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Posted by Helene West

Will Trump at a critical point, stop and turn to the multitudes and say, 'We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really need to follow_________....'

I don't know who or what fills the blank but methinks it will be deflating at best and at worst depressing.

One of several passing dark thoughts...

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Hi onawah and Helene, you might want to listen to this interview with Steve Pieczenik. It would be all over youtube by now, but . . . .



Not quite central to the point of referring you to the interview, but, Mike Pence isn't evangelical. He's catholic.


https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1246545

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Thanks but I don't share Onawah's fear of the religious angle at all. If trump is taken out or were to leave for any reason the left would make short shrift of Pence, evangelical, catholic or otherwise. If the powers that be have any religion it would be more along the lines of Baal than anything else... but with the impersonal aspects of AI, robotics and 5G confronting us I just don't see religion playing a big role anywhere for very long.

Does anyone else find it odd or maybe annoying the way Q tells us to 'enjoy the show'?

I can understand not calling to organize or demonstrate or anything like that as the mainstream would go bananas but why, if he's taking everything so seriously, 'enjoy the show'? Like reinforcing our already long-engrained passivity? We've been a nation of watchers for a long time. For watchers, everything becomes entertainment. I would think he/it/they wouldn't want to become just more entertainment if for real...

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One of Q's keywords is breadcrumbs, right? Who needs breadcrumbs? Dogs and beggars. That should be a clue that it's all a psy-op.

Q has peaked. The Alt Media Steering Committee will roll out another rinky-dink-psyop within 1-2 months. Stay tuned.

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Michelin Star Chefs also need breadcrumbs — as ingredients — to make exquisite dishes ;)

I’m less interested in labels and more interested in dynamics. The whole point of a psy-op is to instigate a process of change, to create a shift in optics, or to bring about a specific result. The formation of cults is to direct the course of a cult(ure), like growing a nasty strain of the flu in the lab before injecting it into some innocent passerby to keep them bedridden for weeks.

It’s easy to throw labels around. I’d like to see the deeper reasoning behind how those labels are formed. What are the specific markers in society that people are paying attention to that cause them to think the way they do? How do you know when someone has become blinded by superstitious beliefs or illogical thinking? What is the intended outcome of this particular psy-op? and based on the trends occurring in society as a result of these machinations...how will you know if they’ve achieved their goal? What do you see happening on the horizon beyond this psy-op? What do you ultimately anticipate is going to happen to society as a whole? (Psychological operators are always thinking 2 steps ahead, shouldn’t we be doing the same?)

I’m open to hearing the deeper logic behind any snyde remarks (especially the kind that Bill mentioned earlier are beneath the quality that this forum can live up to)

Helene, if you ever follow http://www.voltairenet.org/en (or any other excellent geopolitical analyst) it seems what’s happening behind the scenes is completely different from what the public are exposed to via the mainstream media. In that sense, the q-drops vs mainstream media shenanigans could be seen as a form of ‘bread and circuses’, to keep the masses entertained while the real deals are being established out of public view completely. In my interpretation, it could either be a hint to the astute that it’s all a show and they’ve already got the behind the scenes stuff wrapped up and handled, or it could be a patronising conditioning tool to further instill the passive movie mindset into the followers (although my personal bias leans to the former, rather than the latter).

I have no attachment to whether Q turns out to be genuine or not. I’m just happy to follow the empirical evidence in whatever direction it goes.
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One of Q's keywords is breadcrumbs, right? Who needs breadcrumbs? Dogs and beggars. That should be a clue that it's all a psy-op.

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Hi, was just thinking the reason info is limited might be National Security, in fact Q mentioned this is the reason, anything more provided is crossing into classified territory and don't think Q wishes that path. The information he gathers seems to go right to the boundaries to share and probably like walking a tightrope. And here's another consideration what information Q gathered by NSA etc is so terrible/evil that he/she mentioned the difficulty in knowing it and sleeping at night. He mentioned that if all they knew came out it would be bad for humanity.

I had high hopes for Q at first, but my serious doubts came with the insistent mantra from "Q" to "trust Jeff Sessions", Alex Jones said very early on that Jeff Sessions was compromised by the deep state and as such couldn't be trusted.
Now we see Trump openly complaining of Sessions and apparently looking for his replacement.

Alex has now been deplatformed across the board.
So in so far as my go to for insider information, it is Alex Jones, not Q.

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One of Q's keywords is breadcrumbs, right? Who needs breadcrumbs? Dogs and beggars. That should be a clue that it's all a psy-op.

Q has peaked. The Alt Media Steering Committee will roll out another rinky-dink-psyop within 1-2 months. Stay tuned.

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I don't want to be mistaken as a so-called Q apologist, but the term, breadcrumbs, was in use on the chans long before Q came along.

Q was just using their lingo.

Reading this thread there is a lot of misinformation you're sharing with each other.

But, you all sound so happy. :)

The QAnon thread was inexplicably closed, so I just came to take a gander.

This thread was a good idea, thanks KiwiElf.

Always enjoy your logical analysis, Jayke! :bowing: Thanks! :flower:

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One of Q's keywords is breadcrumbs, right? Who needs breadcrumbs? Dogs and beggars. That should be a clue that it's all a psy-op.

Q has peaked. The Alt Media Steering Committee will roll out another rinky-dink-psyop within 1-2 months. Stay tuned.

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Michelin Star Chefs also need breadcrumbs — as ingredients — to make exquisite dishes ;)

I’m less interested in labels and more interested in dynamics. The whole point of a psy-op is to instigate a process of change, to create a shift in optics, or to bring about a specific result. The formation of cults is to direct the course of a cult(ure), like growing a nasty strain of the flu in the lab before injecting it into some innocent passerby to keep them bedridden for weeks.

It’s easy to throw labels around. I’d like to see the deeper reasoning behind how those labels are formed. What are the specific markers in society that people are paying attention to that cause them to think the way they do? How do you know when someone has become blinded by superstitious beliefs or illogical thinking? What is the intended outcome of this particular psy-op? and based on the trends occurring in society as a result of these machinations...how will you know if they’ve achieved their goal? What do you see happening on the horizon beyond this psy-op? What do you ultimately anticipate is going to happen to society as a whole? (Psychological operators are always thinking 2 steps ahead, shouldn’t we be doing the same?)

I’m open to hearing the deeper logic behind any snyde remarks (especially the kind that Bill mentioned earlier are beneath the quality that this forum can live up to)

Helene, if you ever follow http://www.voltairenet.org/en (or any other excellent geopolitical analyst) it seems what’s happening behind the scenes is completely different from what the public are exposed to via the mainstream media. In that sense, the q-drops vs mainstream media shenanigans could be seen as a form of ‘bread and circuses’, to keep the masses entertained while the real deals are being established out of public view completely. In my interpretation, it could either be a hint to the astute that it’s all a show and they’ve already got the behind the scenes stuff wrapped up and handled, or it could be a patronising conditioning tool to further instill the passive movie mindset into the followers (although my personal bias leans to the former, rather than the latter).

I have no attachment to whether Q turns out to be genuine or not. I’m just happy to follow the empirical evidence in whatever direction it goes.
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My feelings exactly. Ultimately its about 'divide & conquer'. Keep the masses at each other's throats while the real stuff goes on unnoticed; throw in a few 'personalities' - a whipping boy here, a sacrificial lamb there, yes, chuck them on the bonfire - get the finger/s pointing - are they real/psy-op/plants/disinfo? On & on it goes. Yes, bread & circuses exactly - & don't we love it! The Romans invented that term & nothing's changed since then, but we are awakening from our slumber.....

I survive all this by simply admitting that I know jack sh*t about who's 'real' or 'fake'......except that If I must pay attention, then I go with my gut - every time. And, I study body language, :sherlock: so even the most accomplished liar will show themselves up for what they are, sooner or later, in my little world.

*mod hat on*This is unfortunately not an overflow thread for any other thread on any other issue. I would kindly ask that any Q-apologists, Q-followers, and/or Q-researchers respect the specific guidelines in this thread.

Expect a message from admin soon on the status of the other Q thread.

Edit to add - Sierra
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1246925

May I ask a point of clarification? This comment Joe was a little confusing, "not be a place to push Q posts or convince disbelievers that they are wrong." I know its a fine line sometimes between convince or offer alternative view so just wanted to make sure alternative view is allowed? Thanks
PS: Im totally ok staying off the thread and no feelings hurt if that is the wish of management.

Let it go. We all come back fresh tomorrow.
My 2 cents… ♡

https://i.imgur.com/rpxYdq8.jpg

Maybe the word breadcrumbs was used before Q came along. I stand corrected, thanks. I still don't like the mentality it implies. Eager beggars waiting for scraps of intel. Q looks like a way to nullify potential leaders. I haven't wasted much time talking about it because it seemed like such an obvious lie. That Q thread is over 250 pages and absolutely nothing has come of it. Seems like a bizarre waste of time to me.

From The Washington Post

Aug 1, 2018 - “Q” feeds disciples, or “bakers,” scraps of intelligence, or “bread crumbs,” that they scramble to bake into an understanding of the “storm”

PS. It's not as simple as Mainstream Media = bad, Alternative Media = good. I've seen that polarized view pushed a lot. There are good people in the MSM. Likewise, the alt media is crawling with liars and sycophants. What makes them think they are any better than the MSM?

The aim of the media worldwide is to induce confusion and passivity.

The mass arrests psy-op is a hacky rewrite of The Second Coming.

I can't spend any more time on this or be drawn into any more debate because Q is just pure fabrication. It's Sunday. To hell with the internet. :)

I listened to their talk and I think Jones and Pieczenik have Pence pegged.
I would not be surprised to see his name on the Republican ticket next election instead of Trump's. I don't trust Pence at all, and neither do they. There is nothing worse than a religious hypocrite.
It was also interesting to hear them cop to Trump's years of womanizing and to his proclivity to delegate authority to the people he can manipulate and not to the people who might have some integrity--not because he's "keeping his enemies closer", but to cover his own backside.
They didn't put him on a hero's pedestal, which is refreshing after all the whitewashing from Q.

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Posted by onawah

My dark thought is about hearing "We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really need to follow my Evangelical Christian VP Mike Pence."
...Inasmuch as it looks like the Democrat's candidate is sure to lose...

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Posted by Helene West

Will Trump at a critical point, stop and turn to the multitudes and say, 'We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really need to follow_________....'

I don't know who or what fills the blank but methinks it will be deflating at best and at worst depressing.

One of several passing dark thoughts...

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Hi onawah and Helene, you might want to listen to this interview with Steve Pieczenik. It would be all over youtube by now, but . . . .



Not quite central to the point of referring you to the interview, but, Mike Pence isn't evangelical. He's catholic.


https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1246545

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What I find really comical is that Fox newscasters refer to CNN as "the media" as if Fox isn't part of the media too.

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Maybe the word breadcrumbs was used before Q came along. I stand corrected, thanks. I still don't like the mentality it implies. Eager beggars waiting for scraps of intel. Q looks like a way to nullify potential leaders. I haven't wasted much time talking about it because it seemed like such an obvious lie. That Q thread is over 250 pages and absolutely nothing has come of it. Seems like a bizarre waste of time to me.

From The Washington Post

Aug 1, 2018 - “Q” feeds disciples, or “bakers,” scraps of intelligence, or “bread crumbs,” that they scramble to bake into an understanding of the “storm”

PS. It's not as simple as Mainstream Media = bad, Alternative Media = good. I've seen that polarized view pushed a lot. There are good people in the MSM. Likewise, the alt media is crawling with liars and sycophants. What makes them think they are any better than the MSM?

The aim of the media worldwide is to induce confusion and passivity.

The mass arrests psy-op is a hacky rewrite of The Second Coming.

I can't spend any more time on this or be drawn into any more debate because Q is just pure fabrication. It's Sunday. To hell with the internet. :)

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OK, well I thought we could share views and ask our questions without feeling like we’re interrupting or berating Q researchers. I was hoping this thread would provide a civil climate for the researchers to help us understand Q better, maybe get to the bottom of it in an objective manner.

I don’t equate #QAnon with Q researchers, it is my understanding that QAnon are the convinced believers in it all being authentic and although the Q thread is not anti-Q friendly, most of the PA Q researchers seem more sensible than that.

I’m with Daozen, to hell with the internet.
BTW, my iPad just predicted my use of the word authentic without myself typing a single letter, it’s learning me! To hell with Apple too.

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BTW, my iPad just predicted my use of the word authentic without myself typing a single letter, it’s learning me! To hell with Apple too.

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That's very interesting, machine learning in action.

On a different note, considering both your and Daozen's comments, there seems to be a lot of frustration expressed in general.
I'd like to understand that better.

I don't think Q is a waste of time or contrivance by computer nerds or I wouldn't bother thinking or writing about it. My critiques are not put-downs but my own attempt to keep myself from 'True Believer' tendencies.

I've had a fear for a long time that it is too late for humanity, we waited too long to wake up and I still struggle with that. AI, robotics and especially remote control technology are the end game for us mainly because of who controls these. If Jesus or Buddha were controlling them I wouldn't worry.

My ongoing concern is simply - Are globalists (via their ownership of or influence over intelligence agencies) the authors of Q? Is Q the CIA or some facsimile? Those are my fears. When Trump got elected supposedly against all odds I had a tiny bit of hope not because of him personally but because the people were attempting to say FU to the ruling families (and that's only if you believe the election wasn't rigged). But Q has made Trump - or Mystery Door #2, even more perplexing.
If the algorithms are being written by globalist service workers in the intelligence communities what is it that they have in mind for trump supporters?
What is it that they want from trump supporters?

There are definitely valuable insights, and information being offered on the Q and 4-chan platform. This seems to have brought out every Troll and scumbag online, the level of '****posting' is off the scale.
That being said, it seems clear there is an attempt to provide clarity and genuine 'inside information' which never seems to be discussed on the mainstream media.

What worries me is the hidden nature, and 'coding' of the posts, why not just be very clear, very open about the information, why present it in this strange, games-like way?

I think we are definitely within a global information war, and a struggle of major groups to seize control of the narratives and, yes this is a power play.

People will always grasp any opportunity to promote their acclaim, to promote themselves as authorities, and generally muddy the waters. I have not reached a clear decision yet.
This is an interesting discussion, great caution is advised.