Tartaria - is/was this a real thing?

Not entirely sure what to make of this. Mix the truth with lies, and you get this? Or are we really living in a time reset age? Note that I am still open, but still need to look into this a little more to make an informed belief.

"You're already used to little lies. And what about the big ones? Is it possible that even greater secrets exist?

Who are the Grey Men and the Parasites? Why would they exterminate billions of highly skilled people from the Great Tartaria Empire? Why would they destroy the highly advanced Scythian-Tartar-Aryan Civilization present on six continents 150 years ago?

Marcia Ramalho researched thousand of images and wrote the essay “Tartaria Empire - Aether,” which has more than 98,000 views on YouTube. Her work was first presented by invitation from The Age of Disclosure channel. In this new essay - and first video of her own - she reveals in 18 minutes, through 80 images, some of the very dark secrets related to our tragic recent past."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_tfxJmF7fAk

Thanks for sharing.

However, I am not buying this! (Others might)

It makes claims like "You know that the man did not go to the Moon"; "the Titanic did not sink... the owners of the ship just pretended it sank to receive high insurance"; Rms "Lusitania" is indeed also known as the Titanic and the RMS Majestic and the RMS Queen Elizabeth...

The video does contain truths I do know... e.g. the Federal Reserve a private bank; Operation Paperclip was a program to make use of Nazi scientists in the US; The WTC wasn't brought down by fire on 9-11.

It has too many "What ifs?" that are not supported by any evidence. After 9 minutes of watching it I gave up as it smelt too much of fanciful nonsense to me. If it is true then Marcia Ramalho has done a great dis-service in not providing corroborating evidence to support each claim as the video progressed. Supposition upon supposition doesn't generate credibility in my mind.

I think this is playing into a common phenomenon that afflicts many 'conspiracy theorists' which is that once we realise many things we believed are false we become prey to believing that everything is part of the scam. This results in blatantly obvious delusions such as the earth is flat, the sun is cold, every natural event was man made by the Powers That Be and that 'insiders' know what is going to happen on an exact date, etc., etc.

It's also common to garner belief by using big lies.

Yes, much of what we know is BS but not everything is a lie...

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After 9 minutes of watching it I gave up

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Well done for lasting that long! I stopped after 6.

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After 9 minutes of watching it I gave up

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Well done for lasting that long! I stopped after 6.

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I normally watch at 2x speed to get through quicker!

I could only view for less than 2 minutes; too difficult to read and background sound was not at all pleasant.:eek:

I decided to watch this video.
I watched a few minutes and then, with the background music becoming very annoying, I muted it.
I watched a couple minutes more.

A pattern was quickly emerging. This is not a video with voice or any action involved.

It is a 'video' consisting of text super-imposed over various photos.
The fonts used for the text are all over the map, making its reading very difficult at times.

The producer/writer would have been much better served had they simply made a video with links
to the text, or simply not made the video in the first place.

Here are links to the text:

https://stolenhistory.org/threads/ta...a-ramalho.662/


https://www.facebook.com/www.TheBlue...37559499611840


The first link is broken up into numbered bullets and is easier to read.
The second is one massive Facebook 'paragraph' that is very difficult to read.
It does however include references for the material, that the first link omits.

I have been wondering how to sift the importance from the chaff in some of the alternative history ideas. Max Igan has been empahsizing the extermination of the Great Tartarian Empire within the last few centuries (having taken his info from some other spokes people like Sylvie Ivanova) . Here he is on Richie Allen's show.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=P_LI6jnM2g0

One item mentioned was the "Orphan Trains" in the 1800's. Yeah, it is odd that so many children were displaced. He says that orphans were sent across the USA in order to be re-educated for a "revised history".

What is TRUE is that in my family, there IS oral history dating back to the 1700's. Though the best documentation is just one aspect of the family, the history is close to what I learned about the US. Some people in my lineage did come over on the Mayflower. Some lived in New Amsterdam in the 17th Century before it was renamed New York and afterwards lived in New York and spead out to other places while keeping the records of who and where. Many stories come from Illinois, Virginia, new Orleans... and as far as San Francisco in the mid 19th century. One of my ancestors came in the 1700s as a SKILLED indentured servant and built staircases in Virginia. Later he owned slaves and his journals never mention Tartaria.

I want to understand the past as much as anyone but am upset that people do not challenge the challengers? "Everyone has lied to us" about everything is a very popular refrain. If this is true... why do we not hear SOMETHING about the big erasure in OUR family stories...

Igan references some "evidence". He says that "We don't know" so how does he know Tartaria was global in the 1800's?

I admit I don't know but I am a little irritated because SOME statements made seem very far fetched.... I wish there was some objective way to tease out what is what.

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I want to understand the past as much as anyone but am upset that people do not challenge the challengers? "Everyone has lied to us" about everything is a very popular refrain. If this is true... why do we not hear SOMETHING about the big erasure in OUR family stories...

Igan references some "evidence". He says that "We don't know" so how does he know Tartaria was global in the 1800's?

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Well, I've just been listening to this. I'll happily challenge Max Igan. This is pure nonsense. Try reading historian Arnold Toynbee.

It's the historical 'everyone's-lying-to-us' equivalent of Flat Earthism. :facepalm:

I heard that Stanley Kubrick spent a fortune creating all of his moon landing footage because he filmed it all on location. I dare the challengers of official reality to prove me wrong!

Of course Tatars are real, still are. My daughter is half Crimean Tatar. The only thing is that they are only dominating Turkey, Turks being mostly their descendant. Tatars in the ex Soviet Union mostly speak Turkick like languages, altaic languages.

Altaic languages are spoken along the ancient silk road, from Korea (korean being altaic) to Finland (Finish being altaic). This road was mainly dominated by Mongol and Turkick tribes, which also were the Genghis Khan basic armies (Chineses only had a tiny part of the road).

Crimean Tatars were the core of the Tsar of Russia’s armies. They were therefore decimated by Lenine and Staline (literal ethnic cleansing).

On the business side, Khazars, which are basically from the same origin of Crimean Tatars, were mostly money handlers for Khans (which means Kings in old Turkick and Mongol languages) and Tzars and most converted to Judaism (ashkenazi jews) while Tatars converted to Islam and Russians to Christianity Russians being different tribes though).

Tartarie existed (no more now) but not as described in the other thread.

All those tribes were matriarcal, which still shows in the Jewish tradition and some of the Turkick traditions.

Oh, by the way, about half of Ghenghis Khan (Ghenghis The King) army was composed of Turkick tribes (lots of tatars)

In 1995, when I was there visiting, Crimean Tatars in exile were coming back in Crimea and taking land back that were stolen from them by Lenine and Staline. They could not take back their houses from the early 20th century because they are now occupied by Russians, but they did build their new houses in then Ukrainian (now Russian) government lands (which were their lands before the Soviet Union)

Crimean Tatars were rich land owners as well before the arrival of communism.

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Hi Bill....what are your views on the Tatar Empire?

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If you're referring to this thread:

• Stretching reality a little thin? Pervading the alt-webs now : Tartaria, 150 years later

... it's 100% nonsense. :)

I wrote here:

It's the historical 'everyone's-lying-to-us' equivalent of Flat Earthism. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/imag...20Facepalm.gif

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I agree that that post is not factual....but I am not wishing to ask you about that :)

The Tatar Empire would seem to have existed (from my own research) since the fall of the Roman Empire!

Now some consider that the Roman Empire never ended....but from my 'look' at things, it did as the Khans came and subjugated them!

And the Khans have never left....well why would they as they had all the land and all the gold!

There are even descriptions within old books of the Tartary, which was the 'Homeland'....but they ruled the middle east, China, Europe and of course Russia.

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THE BONDAGE AND TRAVELS OF JOHANN SCHILTBERGER,

A NATIVE OF BAVARIA, IN EUROPE, ASIA, AND AFRICA,
1396–1427.

TRANSLATED FROM THE HEIDELBERG MS. EDITED IN 1859 BY PROFESSOR KARL RIEDRICH NEUMANN, BY Commander J. BUCHAN TELFER, R.N., F.S.A., F.R.G.S.

With Notes by PROFESSOR P. BRUUN, OF THE IMPERIAL UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH RUSSIA, AT ODESSA;

AND A PREFACE, INTRODUCTION, AND NOTES BY THE TRANSLATOR AND EDITOR.

Ne respice ad eum qui dixit, sed respice ad id quod dixit.—Scaliger, Proverb. Arab.

WITH A MAP.

LONDON: PRINTED FOR THE HAKLUYT SOCIETY.
MDCCCLXXIX.

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http://www.gutenberg.org/files/52569...-h/52569-h.htm

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In alluding to the sledge-dogs of Great Tatary and Siberia, Rubruquis, Marco Polo, and Ibn Batouta, dwell upon their large size. It is not a little remarkable that Marco Polo, who never saw those animals, should have heard that they were as big as donkeys; the very simile employed by Schiltberger. They now are certainly much inferior in size.

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A link below to a map....which shows Tartaria just right of the White Sea (Caspian)

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/52569...images/map.jpg

Its a large map so I haven't put it on this page.

And I do not believe that which I heard within that thread but it did make me reseach the Khans.

Like it or not....Tatars were and possibly still are....real.

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Thanks Flash....and I agree :)

But I must smile as my current (allowed and in consideration) thought is that the 13 Khans never have been defeated and that the 'capital' of this world maybe Astana (hidden in plain sight lol). Strange place that is and they just sent up 2 more satellites with the help of Space X!

Listened . Reaction was :-
Incredulous -- interesting --- not as daft as I imagined it would be -- not a waste of time.... tell me more ---- completely surprised .

Lots of possible questions and the 'free energy' thought is an interesting angle .
Million times better than the cranky Flat Earth story .

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A whole new YouTube genre has sprung up over the past year about how the Central Asian empire of Tartaria was expunged from history, such that the only memory left of it is tartar sauce.

It is the Alzheimer's of conspiracy theories.

I missed the initial furor generated by Max Igan's original post last year about this "stolen history" but it has since taken on a life of its own, with Flat Earthers and Mandela Effect aficcionados piling on with claims that the elongated-skull Annunakis caused a worldwide "mud flood" 170 years ago and how the children who inherited the Earth were lied to about their history and that those lies are now our history.

Igan refers to a 1957 CIA document, "NATIONAL CULTURAL DEVELOPMENT UNDER COMMUNISM", which describes how the Soviet Central Committee in 1944 ordered the Communist Party's Tartar Provincial Committee to falsify its history.

It's a stadium-sized rabbit hole and if it weren't Max Igan talking about it on the Richie Allen show, I wouldn't give it the time of day.

Igan claims Tartaria was the world's biggest civilization. It was a multi-ethnic society that spanned Asia and into North America until the early 19th century, that free energy was used and peace reigned supreme – until "Something happened and the parasites took over."

This is the most topsy turvy revisionist history I've ever heard. It's absolutely bonkers but it's an interesting thought experiment.

Ancient DNA should either corroborate or disprove such claims and here's where it gets crazy. As many will recall, when Brien Foerster had the DNA of the elogated-skulls sequenced, the mitochondrial DNA of the 2-year-old red-headed baby from Paracas, estimated to have died 1,950 years ago belonged to haplogoup U2e1, which corresponds to that of proto-Germanic and proto-Balto-Slavic peoples. Another skull from an individual who perished 850 years ago tested with T2b, a mitochondrial DNA that relates to in Eurasian populations...

GO FOR IT
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/max...ut-of-history/

Ill give it a go later ripple, when I've got myself settled down in my comfy chair.

I smell a PSYOP with disinfo inserted into the alternative community to confuse, a little like flat earth. This is to far fetched. Only total confusion can come out of digesting this. I did a google search on the subject, and can honestly say I dont even dare touching this subject further. It gave me a feel of the movie dark city, where everything is rearranged at night and the whole world and its story is reset.

"So that the Russian will always appear in good light"

Alarm bells ringing. Russian appear in bad light in the Philippines and I knew of only one country in the world that always appear in good light (to the masses) despite its shameless actions.

https://www.stolenhistory.org/thread...ussia-once.40/

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I smell a PSYOP with disinfo inserted into the alternative community to confuse, a little like flat earth. This is to far fetched. Only total confusion can come out of digesting this. I did a google search on the subject, and can honestly say I dont even dare touching this subject further. It gave me a feel of the movie dark city, where everything is rearranged at night and the whole world and its story is reset.

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You are too serious .
Treat it as a game or an alternative to TV . It could even be true , though at this stage I have no real opinion and my instinct tells me it is a , No No .

Ripple... If there is one thing that i learned about humanity, is how easy we are to fool. How we all want so badly to believe in SOMETHING, and collectively, if at all possible. I then had my own little "UFO" or paranormal experience, and I came to one solid conclusion after compiling all of the events of my experiences. It could quite easily be true.. What you're suggesting. After having my experiences, I saw how easy it is to infiltrate the human mind as they have no real firewall. How easy it is to manipulate perceptions, and ideologies.. How easy it is to make something that couldn't possibly be true seem fathomable. So here I am... And I am pondering this seriously.

I was shown that I can walk down the street and indeed houses could be changed into new versions. People speak of walking places and returning down a street that they always walk down, only this time, it appears for all intents and purposes COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.. If we are living in a holographic environment, how difficult would it be to change the channel on the game, and give us a new set of memories that give us everything that we need to live in this new environment and have a back story and never know the difference? Deja' Vu anyone?

I often wonder why I was shown such things when I had my experiences... Will I, at some point be living in an alternate reality, one that i am aware was changed? Yet those around me having no idea? Where the "Back story" makes so much sense that they can do this quite frequently .. I am forced to ponder such things as I experienced them first hand.. Yet few speak about such things...

In January I spoke at the Illuminate -Aspects of consciousness symposium in Australia. The main presenter was MAx Igan and he discussed this. Unfortunately I did not see his presentation, but I spoke with other presenters who were really excited about it. They showed me some pics of very tall people that Max had used as part of his presentation.

Though, importantly, they shared that Max was not selling this story as definitely true...more like an interesting possibility that is worth further investigation.

I've been interested in Tartaria for a while now. The video with Max Igan was not well thought out and all over the place, not a good example of the subject. Below are a few screen shots I have captured, sorry I didn't think to add the place I found them.

There is quite a LOT, a huge amount actually, of information on Tartaria and the many other subjects in it's orbit. Most can be found in the antique books, maps, pictures and photos and documents - and it is a fascinating subject.

The maps are old and some can be found on the Stanford Library site and other antiquities map and book sites.

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This is from a list of flags of various countries including Tartaria, I just grabbed this small chunk. Others show 2 flags for Tartaria, the other being an owl.

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This is the cover of the CIA report on Russia where it discusses writing Tartaria out of the history books

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This is the page where it's mentioned
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To the victor goes the writing of the history books, or something like that.

The Tartary flags are directly below the US flag.

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Enlarge this one and take a look at the population of the Tartarian Empire.

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Yet another map.

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The difference between the country map and the empire map.

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Interesting: there were three times more people in Tatary 3 provinces than in any other country taken one by one.

hum.....

Why would that empire been crushed?

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Interesting: there were three times more people in Tatary 3 provinces than in any other country taken one by one.

hum.....

Why would that empire been crushed?

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I did write a post on Tatars (this is how they themselves pronounce and spell their name, no r after the first a). It is in Bill's thread, I will get it for you. I have a certain knowledge of their true history, my daughter being half Tatar.

I know Wikipedia is a controversial source, but i just looked, and sure enough, there is an entry about Tartary, with a map and a listing of a bunch of historical references to Tartary:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartary

Also, interesting to note, the entry in Wikipedia was last updated today, February 4, 2019. Curious.

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That is a subject of much speculation and theorizing in the tartar-sphere. I won't go into it as there is much information to sift through and is best left to your own research. But I think some people are getting close to what may be some of the the reasons, some of it is lining up and making some sense. Lots of holes to fill in.

Check out YT, good place to start. Lots of speculation and theorizing to look for ideas and some channels are less interesting than others but some are quite good.

The online libraries and YT videos of them have very old books that have some unheard of and quite astonishing information and pictures. I'll find a few and post them if there is interest - let me know.

from the other thread on the topic:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1266264

Re: Stretching reality a little thin? Pervading the alt-webs now : Tartaria, 150 years later

Of course Tatars are real, still are. My daughter is half Crimean Tatar. The only thing is that they are only dominating Turkey, Turks being mostly their descendant. Tatars in the ex Soviet Union mostly speak Turkick like languages, altaic languages.

Altaic languages are spoken along the ancient silk road, from Korea (korean being altaic) to Finland (Finish being altaic). This road was mainly dominated by Mongol and Turkick tribes, which also were the Genghis Khan basic armies (Chineses only had a tiny part of the road).

Crimean Tatars were the core of the Tsar of Russia’s armies. They were therefore decimated by Lenine and Staline (literal ethnic cleansing).

On the business side, Khazars, which are basically from the same origin of Crimean Tatars, were mostly money handlers for Khans (which means Kings in old Turkick and Mongol languages) and Tzars and most converted to Judaism (ashkenazi jews) while Tatars converted to Islam and Russians to Christianity Russians being different tribes though).

Tartarie existed (no more now) but not as described in the other thread.

All those tribes were matriarcal, which still shows in the Jewish tradition and some of the Turkick traditions.

Oh, by the way, about half of Ghenghis Khan (Ghenghis The King) army was composed of Turkick tribes (lots of tatars)

In 1995, when I was there visiting, Crimean Tatars in exile were coming back in Crimea and taking land back that were stolen from them by Lenine and Staline. They could not take back their houses from the early 20th century because they are now occupied by Russians, but they did build their new houses in then Ukrainian (now Russian) government lands (which were their lands before the Soviet Union)

Crimean Tatars were rich land owners as well before the arrival of communism.

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Hi Bill....what are your views on the Tatar Empire?

Thanks
If you're referring to this thread:
Stretching reality a little thin? Pervading the alt-webs now : Tartaria, 150 years later
... it's 100% nonsense.

I wrote here:
It's the historical 'everyone's-lying-to-us' equivalent of Flat Earthism.
I agree that that post is not factual....but I am not wishing to ask you about that

The Tatar Empire would seem to have existed (from my own research) since the fall of the Roman Empire!

Now some consider that the Roman Empire never ended....but from my 'look' at things, it did as the Khans came and subjugated them!

And the Khans have never left....well why would they as they had all the land and all the gold!

There are even descriptions within old books of the Tartary, which was the 'Homeland'....but they ruled the middle east, China, Europe and of course Russia.

Quote THE BONDAGE AND TRAVELS OF JOHANN SCHILTBERGER,

A NATIVE OF BAVARIA, IN EUROPE, ASIA, AND AFRICA,
1396–1427.

TRANSLATED FROM THE HEIDELBERG MS. EDITED IN 1859 BY PROFESSOR KARL RIEDRICH NEUMANN, BY Commander J. BUCHAN TELFER, R.N., F.S.A., F.R.G.S.

With Notes by PROFESSOR P. BRUUN, OF THE IMPERIAL UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH RUSSIA, AT ODESSA;

AND A PREFACE, INTRODUCTION, AND NOTES BY THE TRANSLATOR AND EDITOR.

Ne respice ad eum qui dixit, sed respice ad id quod dixit.—Scaliger, Proverb. Arab.

WITH A MAP.

LONDON: PRINTED FOR THE HAKLUYT SOCIETY.
MDCCCLXXIX.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/52569...-h/52569-h.htm

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A link below to a map....which shows Tartaria just right of the White Sea (Caspian)

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/52569...images/map.jpg

Its a large map so I haven't put it on this page.

And I do not believe that which I heard within that thread but it did make me reseach the Khans.

Like it or not....Tatars were and possibly still are....real.

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"So that the Russian will always appear in good light"

Alarm bells ringing. Russian appear in bad light in the Philippines and I knew of only one country in the world that always appear in good light (to the masses) despite its shameless actions.

https://www.stolenhistory.org/thread...ussia-once.40/

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For the new comers who might misread me.

Its the lesser people who hijack the once great country that I am referring to not the people.

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I know Wikipedia is a controversial source, but i just looked, and sure enough, there is an entry about Tartary, with a map and a listing of a bunch of historical references to Tartary:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartary

Also, interesting to note, the entry in Wikipedia was last updated today, February 4, 2019. Curious.

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"Tartary (Latin: Tartaria) or Great Tartary (Latin: Tartaria Magna) was a historical region and possibly a nation in northern and central Asia stretching eastwards from the Caspian Sea and from the Ural Mountains to the Pacific Ocean, inhabited mostly by Turkic peoples."

hahaha there you go. the history was purposely omitted but it is in wikipedia for all to see

Giving this a fairly cursory glance, might revisit it later. It is a nice imagination experiment to consider that this happened.
However, having been born in 1956, and seeing the document presented as a CIA document of that time. As well as growing up being fed all sorts of distortions around Russia, Communism, and Russians, it sounds like something the American CIA might want to promote. As least among it's own members. The forced feeding of ideas into children's minds in the mass production factories that my country had as schools in my earlier years is a method of mind sculpting that can produce some real crazy ideas being accepted as reality. So to consider that this Erasure of a vast culture might have happened, (especially since Russia has been at least as bad as the US, and the UK as far as crafting history to fit an agenda), seems to have a lot of potential for deprogramming/reprogramming the programmable machine of the little self. Coming to a deep acceptance of my personality as a programmable machine is my current form of healing and growth.


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Thanks Flash....and I agree :)

But I must smile as my current (allowed and in consideration) thought is that the 13 Khans never have been defeated and that the 'capital' of this world maybe Astana (hidden in plain sight lol). Strange place that is and they just sent up 2 more satellites with the help of Space X!

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If the Tatars are of the same blood line as the Khazar, who are now in part Ashkenazi Jews (the other part being the Tatars), yes, they have never been totally defeated, from orient to occident.

Tatars converted to Islam about 800 - 900 years ago. They were matriarcal societies prior, and had the same social matriarcal structure as the North American Mohawks for example. Those society had their warriors, but the tribes decisions were approved by a council of older women, that is matriarcal society were (women were not dominant in all fields, but were the final decision makers, in group).

So you still see the genetic Judaism being from mother to her children. In Turkey, if you are a woman, you are listened to as soon as you have had a child. From then on, you are deemed wise enough to have a weight (contrarily to many other Muslim cultures).

For the history, Lenine got rid of most western Tatars who were great land owners and good farmers, therefore having money. But not only that, they were most of the Tsar armies, its general and warriors (from Catherine of Russia or earlier to Nicolas). And as in the past, they were fighting from Moscow to the Pacific sea. Very vast territory, nothing new for them. How they transfer their skills from owning Tartary to a Russian empire, I do not know.

They were literally ethnically cleansed, being deported to Siberia or killed in mass by Lenine and after by Staline...

Why did Askenazi Jews (Lenine, Trotsky, etc erased from the map their counter blood relative, the Tatars? Because they had become Muslim? I doubt it. Certainly not because they were good farmers and land owners. So why?

During the world wars, the Tatars sided with the German. They had not much choice, being decimated by the communists.

then came Staline.

He continued the ethnic cleansing. Millions were killed. This is how Tartary disappeared from the map. But once again, why would Staline be so scared of the Tatars? They were already weakened by Lenine and war.

Amongst the Tatars, you have those of Caucasian origins, who are blond blue eyes, then some Greek blood in Crimea and mostly Khazar/Tatars who later became bit mixed Russians (but original Russians would be from different tribes). They are litterally white, like the pics shown in this thread.

More you go in the eastern part of Tartary, more you start having Asian traits, in today's Tatars.

Turks are from Turkick tribes too. Therefore descendents of Tatars. Turkish people can still understand Tatar language which is an altaic Turkick language, if spoken slowly.

As for Astana, I do not know much about it except that its president is pretty much implementing a dictature and has a beautiful daughter.

Wow missed the other thread on this, it seems that there was a lot of effort to wipe them out but erasing from history is obviously

an extreme distortion. They seemed to have been in the way though, very sad.


John

Another post I wrote in the other thread, with the little I know about the Tatar history.

I must add to this post that I did see a Koran dedicated to a Tatar army general signed by Catherine of Russia. I also saw the knife with precious stones in the handle of that same general.

I also met the Tatar descendants of one of the Tsar ambassador to Turkey

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1273202

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This is the cover of the CIA report on Russia where it discusses writing Tartaria out of the history books

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https://www.cia.gov/library/readingr...00090002-6.pdf
For people that'd like to read it: page 9, third paragraph.

Sorry if image comes out very big, could someone resize if needed, thank you

I can quite well believe this happened.

Same old power lines/blood lines/rulers just moving around and making room for themselves to suite.
Doesn't matter to them if a few million get displaced or killed.

Love this map:
https://www.stolenhistory.org/attach...ie_3-jpg.1436/
It's enough to tip you on your head ha ;)

Sauce: https://www.stolenhistory.org/thread...ussia-once.40/
Some Nobel looking players there.

as a musician who is highly critical of the use of dramatic opinion swaying music in most videos such as this, my hats off to the choice of soundtrack and the composer of this soundtrack , that supports without undo interference .

beyond the soundtrack, its just a series of what if's? which can be eternally asked about everything.

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Posted by Bubu

"So that the Russian will always appear in good light"

Alarm bells ringing. Russian appear in bad light in the Philippines and I knew of only one country in the world that always appear in good light (to the masses) despite its shameless actions.

https://www.stolenhistory.org/thread...ussia-once.40/

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For the new comers who might misread me.

Its the lesser people who hijack the once great country that I am referring to not the people.

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Even if we don't misread you, its clear that your massive hatred of anything potentially related to "Russia" (not a secret here) and it is clearly contaminating your ability to consider this topic objectively without rambling about politics. Back to topic. :focus:

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Posted by Sunny-side-up

Sorry if image comes out very big, could someone resize if needed, thank you

I can quite well believe this happened.

Same old power lines/blood lines/rulers just moving around and making room for themselves to suite.
Doesn't matter to them if a few million get displaced or killed.

Love this map:
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It's enough to tip you on your head ha ;)

Sauce: https://www.stolenhistory.org/thread...ussia-once.40/
Some Nobel looking players there.

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Thats a bit slow to load - to view in full size, right click and "view image" (Firefox) -- just clicking doesn't seem to work on this image.

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Posted by Slobbe

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Posted by latte

This is the cover of the CIA report on Russia where it discusses writing Tartaria out of the history books

Attachment 39845

This is the page where it's mentioned
Attachment 39846

To the victor goes the writing of the history books, or something like that.

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https://www.cia.gov/library/readingr...00090002-6.pdf
For people that'd like to read it: page 9, third paragraph.

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It appears to me that "Tartaria" was a real place or country once long ago ... but exactly what and how it was, perhaps has set the stage for a fair bit of imagination to fill in the blanks (possibly). If there was such an empire, my guess would be that it may have been pre-deluvian, and only remnants remained to carry on through history afterwards, but the name remained.

There is no doubt in my mind that much more "History" exists than what the masses are generally privy to, but I think timelines need to be considered and be somewhat realistic as well.

Fascinating topic.