Let's talk about vitamins and minerals and supplements, starting from scratch

I know almost nothing about vitamins, minerals, and supplements. (Hopefully, this thread will change that.) Like many people, I do know a tiny bit, but not nearly what a 12-year old kid should have been taught.

From my "I know nearly nothing" starting point, I mentally divide vitamins, minerals, and supplements into 2 groups:

Group 1: essential (to prevent disease), and

Group 2: all the rest (you might actually need some if these if you "don't eat right")

At my starting point, that is:

Group 1: Vitamin C

Group 2: all the rest.

Vitamin C (not made by the human body but essential to prevent scurvy, and involved in numerous critical functions) can be obtained "by eating right", so really, that leaves group 1 empty. (See, I told you I don't know anything!)

I realize that vitamin C, alone, could have a thread dedicated to it. Ascorbic or ascorbate? Straight or "timed release?"Liposomal? How much (Dr. Linus Pauling, Nobel chemistry prize winner for his work on vitamin C took 16 grams a day! But then, he died, so it isn't a cure for death.)

I think a huge part of the problem is marketing and advertising. If you took all the "advice" from marketing professionals, you'd be spending the equivalent of a car payment a month to afford it all, and all of it is hyped as being critical for good health. You'd probably get sick from overdoing the supplements.

The US federal government agencies have been part of the problem as well. For example, the RDA (Required Daily Amount) of vitamin C is (I believe) 37mg. Dr. Pauling, who took over 400 times that amount daily, said the only reason he could think of for the government agencies to do that would be so they weren't required to give prisoners adequate vitamin C - a cost issue. So if the RDAs listed by the US government* are wrong, then what is correct?

*(not trying to be "Americentric" here, so your own country's government may use different figures as RDAs, but I suspect some have adapted the US standards.)

Another problem is that our parents didn't know, and just didn't have the information to pass on to us. In my era - pre food pyramid! - there were 4 food groups, and that covered all bases. No supplementation at all.

A perspective: Paleo people didn't supplement, so no supplementation is necessary.

A perspective: Modern people are under bombardment of toxins and radiation and stress, soil has been stripped of bio-available nutrients, so it is nearly impossible to just "eat right" and have the nutrients to thrive.

Ah, "thrive." That's another level up from meeting bare minimum daily requirements. Should we aim for "sustain/maintain", or "thrive" when putting together a supplement regimen?

How do we get the nutrients in:
Foods -vs.- food concentrates -vs.- fractions of organic compounds -vs.- synthetic compounds

Confused yet? I am.

I know that some of you have spent a great deal of time, years, decades, researching what supplementation to take on a daily basis. Even better, many of you have spent decades experimenting on yourselves, refining your 'book-learned' knowledge with experience. Please share what you know. I'm sure I'm not the only one that will derive great benefit from this conversation.

What do you, the experienced, take every day? (specifics, including brands and dosages) What do we need to know about combining and avoiding combinations of supplements? What time of day do you take each of them? With food or without? What else do we need to know? If you could give a quick presentation to a group of wide-eyed 12-year old kids that wanted to walk away with the critical core knowledge of vitamin and mineral supplementation, what would you say?

Thanks in advance for all who offer their thoughts and advice here. Cheers! To your health!

As one grows older, colloidal minerals become more important. I use NOW minerals from shale deposits in Utah. The best out there. A cassette tape made the rounds in the 70's that dealt with horse nutrition. Researchers found that as a horse aged, less and less of vitamins injested were actually absorbed. This multiplies after the age of 40 for humans. Add colloidal minerals to the mix and the absorption rate goes way up. I have experimented on myself over the years with vitamins and minerals. I take my mix with a large meal. Then it is the vitamins, a capful of colloidal minerals and a cup and a half of orange juice. No other juice will do as well.

Try it on yourself. Make sure your chosen all purpose vitamin pill contains all the B vitamins. Take this mix without minerals or OJ. watch your urine and how yellow it is. Then, a day or two later, take the full mix. Vitamins of your choice, good colloidal minerals, and OJ. Now watch your urine. Much less yellow due to much better absorption. I am 70 and it makes a big difference for me.

"Root Cause Protocol", I recently came across it and find it quite interesting.

https://therootcauseprotocol.com/all-resources/

There's so much contradictory info out there it's almost impossible to know who to believe.

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As one grows older, colloidal minerals become more important. I use NOW minerals from shale deposits in Utah. The best out there. A cassette tape made the rounds in the 70's that dealt with horse nutrition. Researchers found that as a horse aged, less and less of vitamins injested were actually absorbed. This multiplies after the age of 40 for humans. Add colloidal minerals to the mix and the absorption rate goes way up. I have experimented on myself over the years with vitamins and minerals. I take my mix with a large meal. Then it is the vitamins, a capful of colloidal minerals and a cup and a half of orange juice. No other juice will do as well.

Try it on yourself. Make sure your chosen all purpose vitamin pill contains all the B vitamins. Take this mix without minerals or OJ. watch your urine and how yellow it is. Then, a day or two later, take the full mix. Vitamins of your choice, good colloidal minerals, and OJ. Now watch your urine. Much less yellow due to much better absorption. I am 70 and it makes a big difference for me.

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Even though the brands you're taking in Bhutan may be different than what is available in the US, could you please list the multivitamin you take? Is there just a single NOW brand colloidal mineral power to mix?

Thanks!

It's very interesting - for me the most important supplement is coenzyme q10 (not a vitamin or a mineral, so I hope I'm not off topic). If I stopped taking it, I might die.

I've tried to stop, just as an experiment, and when I did I added all sorts of things in its place (over the years these things have varied, from super green food powders to liquid multivitamins, and everything else under the sun). And none of them could replicate what the q10 did for me. In other words, just one 100mg Q10 gelcap is more valuable to my body than a whole spectrum of vitamins and minerals.

It made me rethink a few things haha!

Of course I still see the value of vitamins and minerals (and still take them in a liquid form), but I can't really say, with honesty, that a multivitamin/mineral formula has ever actually made me feel noticeably better. I have no doubt they're working on my systems and providing nourishment and repair and so forth, but they've never done anything dramatic. Q10 did something dramatic when I first took it...ditto fish oil.

What does this mean? I'm not sure. Everyone is different and has different requirements. It's pretty fascinating

I don't take anything, I follow my cravings and eat in a way i logically agree with (based on outcome as well).

maybe it's age related? I think it's all hype & placebo is VASTLY underrated as a potential cause of the "benefits".

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I don't take anything, I follow my cravings and eat in a way i logically agree with (based on outcome as well).

maybe it's age related? I think it's all hype & placebo is VASTLY underrated as a potential cause of the "benefits".

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no doubt the placebo phenomena plays a role in some success stories.

but when i first took coq10, my heart was throbbing out of my chest and my breath was shallow and i was in sort of a shock. those symptoms were almost immediately improved upon taking it. it was dramatic and undeniable. i was in such a state when i took that first q10 gelcap that i was actually afraid of what might happen, so if the placebo effect was in play i s'pose i would have felt worse after taking it.

there's a cardiologist out there curing people of heart failure with q10, l-carnitine, magnesium, and d-ribose. his name is stephen sinatra. the science is in; it has been written about extensively. definitely not a placebo.

there's always outliers in everything, your case is rare (and as such, there is no need for you to defend your previous post). I was speaking in generalities and assume we all understand there's a bell curve to everything. for most people supplements are questionable at best in regards to their benefit.

or am I wrong? how many other people do you personally know that even know what coq10 is (I don't).

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there's always outliers in everything, your case is rare (and as such, there is no need for you to defend your previous post). I was speaking in generalities and assume we all understand there's a bell curve to everything. for most people supplements are questionable at best in regards to their benefit.

or am I wrong? how many other people do you personally know that even know what coq10 is (I don't).

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coq10 is pretty ubiquitous now. i mean, you can get it at walgreens.

i don't think my story is very unique. i've read endless stories about the miracles herbs and supplements have played in people's lives.

the stuff isn't cheap dude!:) i doubt all those people in health-food stores would be spending all that money on something that they kinda-sorta felt was helping them somehow. i wouldn't!

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I don't take anything, I follow my cravings and eat in a way i logically agree with (based on outcome as well).

maybe it's age related? I think it's all hype & placebo is VASTLY underrated as a potential cause of the "benefits".

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Yes, the year of my Beatles birthday is rapidly coming to a close. When I was younger, I was invincible and took no vitamins, minerals, or supplements - just food (typical American omnivore diet for the first 20 years.) So, I know what you mean. My metabolism slowed in my mid 30s, and something went wrong with my gut in my 40s and has never been resolved (and may be the epicenter for other medical issues.) Damn, I wish I was invincible again! Trying hard to think back that far, but it seems like I started paying attention to nutrition and then vitamins, after losing some vibrancy. Once I got bigger health issues, I started trying this and that... and I did take a multivitamin for a few years (Alacer "Supergram" II or was it "III.") Trying "this and that", I never stumbled across any combination that was my winning formula back to vibrancy.

If you've seen some of the Wim Hof stuff, you'll have confirmation that your mind, attitude, determination can be a huge factor in health and vibrancy. So, kudos to you and I hope it is lifelong.

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there's always outliers in everything, your case is rare (and as such, there is no need for you to defend your previous post). I was speaking in generalities and assume we all understand there's a bell curve to everything. for most people supplements are questionable at best in regards to their benefit.

or am I wrong? how many other people do you personally know that even know what coq10 is (I don't).

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coq10 is pretty ubiquitous now. i mean, you can get it at walgreens.

i don't think my story is very unique. i've read endless stories about the miracles herbs and supplements have played in people's lives.

the stuff isn't cheap dude!:) i doubt all those people in health-food stores would be spending all that money on something that they kinda-sorta felt was helping them somehow. i wouldn't!

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Mike, your CoQ10 story, with the life-changing results, is like my story with B-12. I have taken CoQ10 - I have a bottle right now that is probably still not at the expired date. I didn't notice anything when I took CoQ10. So, whatever I was expecting was far too subtle and I shrugged and put it with all the other bottles of stuff I've tried. People generally describe B12 as an energy booster. But, for me, it was a life-changing, profound lifting of "brain fog."

Man, just like you could have been a professional CoQ10 salesman after your experience, after about 10 days of (megadoses of) B12, I was stopping people on street corners and knocking on doors asking, "Have you accepted B12 into your life?"

One cannot go from kind of alive to really thrive in one shot.

Those of us living in "modern society" are missing most of the the farming, hunting, food, and healing traditions, and the surrounding plant, animal, water and soil, that nourish some primitive societies.

We who want to thrive must rebuild, in accordance with our particular and changing circumstances, what normally takes many generations, integrated with an unpolluted nature, by many people, to build up.

So I've thinking of a strategy of the following, perhaps because it is roughly what I've done:

Phase 1. I started with the reasonable best "vitamin, mineral" supplement that I could get. I currently use "LifeExtension Mix Powder".

Add to that Vitamin C, in various forms (mostly ascorbic acid, but also asorbyl palmitate and liposomal) up to bowel tolerance. My usual Vitamin C intake is 5 to 10 grams/day, but for example right now I am working some long standing dental issues (probably the most common source of infections in any group eating the foods of "civilization"), and it is taking perhaps 30 grams/day to reach bowel tolerance (stools start to become a bit too lose.)

Also add to that some more Vitamin D and K-2, such as NOW's Vitamin D-3 and K-2 liposomal spray under the tongue, and add some more magnesium, as we usually quite short of that.

Also one of the finer superfood powders, such as Vitamineral Green or Boku Super Food.

This got my base line health stable enough to start Phase 2.

Phase 2 is getting the crap out of the diet and building up a more complete foundation diet.

Our water that we drink, cook in, and bath and wash in, has chloride and fluoride compounds. Many materials in our life have fire retardants in them, which are often bromide based. Almost all our breads have bromide in them. These three halogens compete with and displace iodine. Unfortunately, iodine is critical for life, and chlorine, fluorine and bromine compounds are only toxic, without benefit. I take several forms of iodine, and I have spent thousands of dollars and hundreds, if not thousands, of hours rebuilding my water supply to be clean, nourishing and energized.

Our grains have little useful, none essential, nutrients, but are rich in glyphosphate, a multi-talented toxin. I basically eat no grains anymore. Fortunately I was never a big bread lover anyway.

Sugar is not an essential nutrient. Rather it is a toxic nutrient, though perhaps less toxic than the articifial sugar substitutes. I basically eat nothing with added sugar in it anymore. I also don't eat out any more. Except for those few, trusted brand, high end, super food and vitamin mixes, I only eat (and drink -- I know what's in my water because I put it there) stuff I've prepared from identifiable basic ingredients.

The industrially processed light oils rampant, and rancid, in our foods are toxic. These oils, the omega 3 and 6 oils, are essential building blocks of our cell walls, and the long shelf life industrial mutants of these oils that are abundant in our foods result in weak and sick cell walls. Get rid of them.

I am presently on a ketogenic diet, with modest (sufficient but limited) amounts of proteins, limited amounts of omega 3 and 6 oils (high quality, carefully extracted and stored) in about equal proportion, and a wide array of minerals, such as from a good salt. A good ketones meter, such as the Keto-Mojo, is useful when shifting one's diet into ketosis the first time. I recommend Redmond Real Salt (like Himalayan pink salt, but from Utah.) I also have some organic fruits, vegetables, and for my primary caloric intake lots of saturated and mono-unsaturated fats (avacado, coconut, olive, grass fed butter and cheese, eggs (raw, not cooked), bacon (baked, not fried, with the bacon grease included), macadamia nut, flax (seeds ground fresh in my coffee bean bur grinder), hemp, and probably some others.) Each of these is the best quality organic I can find in the store.

Gut health is essential. The many trillions of little buggies in our intestine out number our "own" (our DNA) cells in our body. Feed them. I have sauerkraut and kim chi daily, as well as yogurt and kefir sometimes.

Phase 3 will take years. One at a time, notice some particular symptom or malady in your body that you'd like to fix. Start reading up on it and on what nutrients might help, or what toxins might be causing the harm. Experiment until that malady is gone. Rinse, lather, repeat. I take perhaps another one or two dozen specific nutrients, spices, supplements and foods, that I found at one time or another to be worth taking.

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Beware - I am neither a docter, lawyer nor Indian chief, and I am totally unqualified to give nutritional advice to even my cat.

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I am my doctor, and food is my medicine.

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If you've seen some of the Wim Hof stuff, you'll have confirmation that your mind, attitude, determination can be a huge factor in health and vibrancy. So, kudos to you and I hope it is lifelong.

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I do his breathing exercises... I wear uranium ore, I choose to stress my system for the hormetic response, not toss "bed pan bullets" at my digestive track.

I do think it's a matter of mentality, I agree.

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I don't take anything, I follow my cravings and eat in a way i logically agree with (based on outcome as well).

maybe it's age related? I think it's all hype & placebo is VASTLY underrated as a potential cause of the "benefits".

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Me and my family took Vit C on and off for years. My conclusion it doesn't work as advertised. I believe in the placebo too.

"I follow my cravings and eat in a way i logically agree with (based on outcome as well)." this too I do and I am exceptionally healthy at age 53 I still play basketball with my 4 sons age 14 to 24. My stamina is still comparable to theirs although I heal very slowly compared to them when meet with injury. Like when I broke my wrist mildly on the heavy bag. It took more than a year to heal but then I did not have a cast and continued using my hands normally. As to the absorption of nutrients I do believe that its in the blood (vehicle) and roads (veins) that is why I take herbs to cleanse and rejuvenate the blood and veins. Nothing synthetic just boil the plants dried or fresh.

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I don't take anything, I follow my cravings and eat in a way i logically agree with (based on outcome as well).

maybe it's age related? I think it's all hype & placebo is VASTLY underrated as a potential cause of the "benefits".

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no doubt the placebo phenomena plays a role in some success stories.

but when i first took coq10, my heart was throbbing out of my chest and my breath was shallow and i was in sort of a shock. those symptoms were almost immediately improved upon taking it. it was dramatic and undeniable. i was in such a state when i took that first q10 gelcap that i was actually afraid of what might happen, so if the placebo effect was in play i s'pose i would have felt worse after taking it.

there's a cardiologist out there curing people of heart failure with q10, l-carnitine, magnesium, and d-ribose. his name is stephen sinatra. the science is in; it has been written about extensively. definitely not a placebo.

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Hey Mike, I remember when I first read your testimony about coq10 I told my brother about it and it helps him too. Together with the herbs I made for him and the awareness I imparted to him. However his lifestyle is so stressful. that is why his illness is always coming back or seem cannot recover completely. But he has gone far than before I started him with the herb regimen he can already ride his bike. When it come to supplement I think natural whole form is best. not the extract or isolated type. I think there is a synergy to it.

I would like to add another vitamin to Group 2 that is also not manufactured by the body: Vitamin D. It has been argued that most people are deficient in this rather than Vitamin C, given that it is only available from animal organs such as cod livers or sunshine.

I recommend a listen to any of Sally Fallons talks (of Weston A Price fame), particularly those dealing with the importance of gut health:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QxMXXKJ7uwA

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fvKdYUCUca8&t=256s

Sometimes I believe using large amounts of isolated vitamins, particularly synthetic vitamins can do more harm than good. An example being calcium. Lots of women take calcium supplements in an attempt to avoid osteoporosis. I have worked with women that keep Gummy calcium candies and take them multiple times throughout the day. Although calcium is needed, if you take large doses of of isolated calcium without other needed nutrients for proper absorption and utilization you can end up with the body depositing it in organs, blood vessels and under the skin. It needs K2, D and magnesium to to utilized. Those are the ones that we know that work in synergy with calcium, I suspect there are more. That's why for the most part I now only use whole food vitamins. They provide the nutrients in a form that can be utilized.

The one isolated vitamin I do take is D, with K2. I take it because I live in the Pacific Northwest and in the winter, there is not enough sun exposure and don't believe the amount provided in the multivitamin is sufficient. I am also a big fan of Tumeric for it's anti inflammatory benefits. I use the Garden of Life whole food, raw multivitamin. One thing I have noticed about the whole food supplementation is that it never causes any stomach upset, which I used to experience with the synthetic vitamins.

I think the supplement industry can be exploitative, and play on people's fears - definitely. However our western diet can be lacking in essential minerals, and lots of people don't eat enough fresh fruit and vegetables.
I know that Vitamin D3 is incredibly valuable, I developed a deficiency about 10 years ago, and I have taken at least 3,000 IU's per day ever since, and have not had one cold, or 'Flu during this time, anecdotal, but I find it compelling.

I know I do not eat enough fruit/veg so I take a multi vitamin just to top up my intake, can't hurt right?

My daughter is a holistic healer, and expert with alternative medicine, she takes a bewildering range of stuff. Bone broth is good, and of course fresh produce.

Since three/four years ago, my partner and I have eaten a whole-foods plant-based diet, almost exclusively organic, and at least 50% raw. We grow already quite a lot of our own (more and more), including herbs, and eat very little processed food (currently only an organic chocolate (ethically sourced to avoid the slave trade)).

Although we do at present take a couple of supplements weekly: B12, D3 and zinc (mainly to ease the mind of my son, who expressed concerns over our diet), I am not at all sure that they are necessary. This argument that 'modern foods don't contain the proper vitamins therefore supplements are necessary' seems a bit suspect to me, as it seems to breed dependency on the pharmaceutical industry. It just doesn't quite smell right to me, intuition-wise.

Maybe we are at an advantage in France as compared with some countries regarding the quality of the produce, maybe not. Not sure.

A couple of years back, I had to take blood and urine tests - and in France they tend to be rather thorough about these things - and all measurable levels were normal, so said the doctor. This was reassuring. At the time I was taking no supplements at all.

Other than that, everything feels healthy for both of us. Neither of us feel deficient in anything.

The jury is out for me... but the gut feel is there (complete with ample amounts of flatulance :blushing: ).

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M

Hello Dennis ( and all),

my best answer from all 3 baskets of knowledge: one shared by old doctors(MDs) with life experience in GP treatment; that is not the freshly baked programmed products of education keeping in line with government regulations, nazis in short,
secondly basket of researched and personal experience and thirdly, countless tested cases of improvement and recovery from some of the most serious and threatening life conditions is,

if you only have the right time and funds to do something for your life line,
it maybe now but not forever- time flies fast-
eat the alphabet :sun: ( pun not intended).

Do it in a smart manner of testing your own individual needs though.

No matter what any particular lab tests suggest, we often do not know what we do need unless we try( again, no pun intended in this case).

The thing with lab tests and correct amounts of various vitamins and minerals in your blood is that they’re relative, showing traces of chemicals in serum while the same can be missing or not binding sufficiently at places( organs) where they’re needed, for example. Metabolism of anything is complicated and dependant on many co-factors.

If you follow high vitamin diet, it presumes you’re not eating too much at the same time. In that manner, your “testing period” won’t /should not last more than say, 6 weeks in case of relatively healthy individual.
If you’re already in need of particular treatment it’s better to seek advice of advanced MD.

Of Vitamins: you can eat the alphabet, literarily in 2-10 times of so called recommended dosage for couple of weeks without any huge risk.

Examples: vitamin A is of tremendous importance for maintaining healthy eye sight.
You’ll probably buy it in oil based capsules.
Of all “fish oils” you’ve ever eaten, vitamin A is the easiest for us to digest since it isn’t “fish oil” but simple plant based essential oil.
Big pharma is cheating, of course.

B vitamins are big booster and can be again, extremely beneficial in recovery and for all vital functions.

If taken sublingually or in pill form, you can’t really overdose .

Therapeutic dose of various Bs in intra-muscular or intravenous form is hundreds of times higher ( and may well last for weeks to months) but again, not many MDs are well acquainted with capacity of such treatments. On the other hand and those who are - many of them are private clinics these days- get VIP patients and are profiting highly. Tell no one :)

Vitamin C ..starting from recommended aka “daily dose” people do take 1000mg a day nowadays or times more and it helps them under various circumstances, combatting g environmental stress and lost immunity for example.
If you eat lots of citruses everyday and/or are not experiencing environmental stress it’s unnecessary to take that much, of course.

Vitamin D . Here we are again, talk to people who take vitamin D in high doses and swear on it. I do not but it’s individual question, just like the rest.

E can be taken in 2-3 times recommended dose in recovery.

Try the rest for couple of weeks and your body should start listening and responding to you and tell you what you need to continue with and what you don’t need or do not tolerate. If you feel that you don’t like something - simply stop taking it straight away no matter what others think or say.

If your body seems to like it : it probably does need it, for a while.

Problem of minerals is entirely different since minerals are anorganic and we can’t directly feel them, we need them only in traces and unless in specific conditions - even then- there’s a risk of overdose.
So, your multi mineral tablet is a type of solution to that problem and even then, it should not be taken 365 days a year.
It’s hard to say why: no pun intended : it’s hard:) it may accumulate a “slate” in organs like kidneys and result in kidney stones, for example.

In the same way, every mineralised water should be used only periodically- example: magnesium in heart conditions , half a months, then half month break, or 3 weeks and week break,
never continuously without break for years.

The result of overuse of specific minerals are many unknown chronic and developmental conditions that are difficult to get rid off , gout for example.

Big brother says calcium in water is harmless and sells you extra calcium tablets for your osteoporosis but BB usually is wrong. The only good way to metabolise all that calcium would be probably through eating it with adequate binding fats and other organic matter.


Apologies for short entry. Times and morals ..🙏

Keep well is the most important


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“Your Heart is your Temple”

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eat the alphabet :sun: ( pun not intended).

Do it in a smart manner of testing your own individual needs though.



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agree to you 100% let me explain from my own understanding and experience.

How many ingredients/nutrition and sub ingredient does it take to make insulin? Point is two people can have identical diabetes but they most probably need different nutrition to make an insulin. I always advice people I help to go for the variety and feel for it.

Dennis
I take NOW vitamins. They make one for men (Adam) and one for women (Eve). Since I am 70, Adam does me little good. I tried Adam vits and my urine stayed yellow. Lots of additives for young men, which I don't need. So I started with Eve vits. Urine went fairly clear. Good as the vits are being absorbed much better. I surely am not concerned about the differences between Adam and Eve. Who cares. To that I add NOW E 400 IU's and NOW D3 1000 IU's. I will be looking in to K2. Also I will probably restart Co Q10. Joint lubrication is a big deal for oldsters and this regimen helps with that.
One other thing I have discovered - if I take the vits and minerals with a big meal, it helps with overall energy. If I take them at night before sleep time it enhances the libido. Vely intelesting.

I eat all organic, high protein low carb. No wheat, grain, corn, soy, sugar or seed oil. I eliminate inflammatory vegetables. I eat grass feed beef, free range hormone free chicken. For lunch I eat home made meal bars of almond flour, chocolate collagen protein powder (Bulletproof brand) , Bone broth protein powder, lecithin granules, psyllium, dates or prunes, walnuts, eggs, black seed oil and coconut MCT oil.

I drink a glass of water with Hawaiian Spirlina, Moringa and Dr. Gruny's prebiotics, probiotics, vital reds and plants. I take 1 TBS of cholorfresh daily.

A .5 tsp of grass feed organic Colostrum daily, slowly absorbed under my tongue. Renegade Pharmacist is the best brand



I drink distilled water. The body does not absorb minerals from water but from plants. Distilled water is basically rain water. I supplement with ALL vitamins, minerals, iron- Iodoral, amino acids, ubiquinol CoQ10 and omegas.

Host Defense mushrooms, My community-Comprehensive support

I may add what I need based on what I'm experiencing such as pain, infection, sleep problems etc. So I have DSMO, MSM, Oreganol juice, oregano oil, gaba, melatonin, tryptophan. I try to use Source of Life vitamins made from vegetable sources. I try to buy high quality.

1 dropper of full spectrum hemp oil at night for sleep.

I make hot tea with, Vital Proteins: Matcha Collagen

Etherium Gold, monatonic trace minerals daily

I shop mainly at whole foods and sprouts. When I can I go to the farmers market but that's not cheap either. It all costs a fortune but I'm still working full time and can afford it for now. When I retire I will have to find a way to cut costs.

Why does the body not absorb minerals from water?

I'm elated right now (literally) about a supplement I've been taking for about a month and this is written basically for the gray haired Avalons.

Past 45 years old, dopamine decreases at a rate of 15% per decade in the body.

Mucuna Pruriens is a tropical legume and a good source of L-Dopa, which is the direct precursor of dopamine and able to cross the blood/brain barrier.

The supplement I am taking is NOW Dopa-Mucuna and supplies 180mg of L-Dopa per capsule. One capsule a day in the morning after breakfast works good for me. I roughly follow the recommendation of only 4-5 days per week by taking it for three days and then one day off.

Increased dopamine levels have made me feel more energetic, less forgetful; have increased my vitality and endurance, enhanced my mood and brought feelings of well-being. The results are immediate and do not require weeks and weeks to manifest.

I highly recommend this supplement for the wizened!

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Why does the body not absorb minerals from water?

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https://www.freedrinkingwater.com/wa...er-mineral.htm
Do we receive our minerals from drinking water?
Minerals are essential for the basic functions of the human body to take place. They help to control bone growth, regulate fluids, normalize nerve and muscle functions, keep up metabolism, grow connective tissues, and so much more.

However, a big misconception is that that we obtain enough minerals from our drinking water. This is actually not true because in reality, the main source of minerals is always from our food and diet, not from our drinking water. In order to receive enough minerals for our bodies, we would need to drink a full bathtub amount of water everyday, which is not very feasible. We are sure that your doctor will not prescribe you a "bathtub of water" if you are deficient in minerals, right?

Keep in mind that water contains only inorganic minerals which can actually be detrimental to human health. Our bodies have a hard time processing inorganic minerals and what we cannot absorb may be stored in our tissues and organs and eventually become toxic to the body. The primary culprits are calcium salts and over time they can cause gallstones, kidney stones, bone & joint calcification, arthritis, and hardening and blocking our arteries. Organ failure and cancer could also occur from long term exposure to certain types of toxic or radioactive minerals found in tap and natural spring water. Organic minerals which are abundant in food are much easier to absorb and preferred by our bodies because they do not contain toxic minerals.

Major minerals your body needs and where you can find them

Calcium – Essential for strong bones and teeth. Also plays an important role in the digestive system. Lack of calcium can lead to osteoporosis.
•Almonds, brazil nuts, hazelnuts
•Broccoli, kale, okra, spinach, watercress
•Dried apricot and figs
•Mackerel, oysters, salmon, sardines
•Tofu, calcium-enriched soya cheeses and milks

Iron – Plays an essential role in the production of the body’s white blood cells and immune system.
• Apricots, blackcurrants, figs, prunes, raisins, nuts
• Beans, lentils, eggs
• Broccoli, kale, peas, cabbage, spinach, watercress
• Lean red meat, liver, kidney
• Mackerel, oysters, sardines, tuna
• Wholegrain cereals and whole meal bread
Magnesium – Helps regulate potassium and sodium which control your blood pressure. Also helps absorb and breakdown vitamins and minerals.
• Apricots, bananas, figs, prunes, raisins
• Brown rice, granary bread, whole meal bread, whole wheat pasta, nuts
• Green leafy vegetables, okra, parsnips, peas, sweet corn
• Lean meat, milk, yogurt
Zinc – An antioxidant and important for the maintenance of a healthy immune system
• Brown rice and wholegrain breads
• Cheese
• Crab, lobster, mussels, oysters, sardines, duck, goose, kidney, lean red meat, turkey
Also watch out for the water products which claims that they can take out ALL of the bad contaminants and leave you only the good stuff (healthy minerals) in the water. There is no real purification method that can be selective and leave you only the "good" stuff. When filters leave you the "good" stuff, they actually leave you "most" of the stuff in the water. "Most of the stuff" meaning besides calcium and magnesium, they also leave fluoride, arsenic, chromium, perchlorate, heavy metals, radioactive materials, bacteria, viruses, and pharmaceutical drugs. These are all harmful contaminants that can cause illness, cancer or death. In this era of pollution where water contains much more disease-causing contaminants than beneficial minerals, it makes sense that the water we drink should be as pure and clean as possible.
So remember to eat healthy and enjoy a variety of vegetables and grains everyday which will provide you with the beneficial organic minerals to stay healthy the natural way.

Thanks to everyone posting their experiences here.

Gradually prioritizing my nutrition study, primarily because information became available over radio for the first time in my rural location, (late 1980s), even after knowing a few things and finally realizing the effectiveness by testing added information, for my well being… I reluctantly started unusual, key foods which was the easiest way to get missing nutrients and this was cheaper, includding the purchase of some supplements.

I chose to study from a 70+ year old, yearly gold metal winning marathon athlete who was extremely fit, sentient and very informed, even somewhat about the craziness of the TPTHB, who shared scientifically based articles on nutrition research, from research journals, especially of plant based nutrition sources, which proved cheaper than buying meat centered nutrition, (even near the ocean). Regular listening to radio and later to mp3s let me carry on with my physical labor, to support life here, while learning endless details. I could never read books all day, so I loved this stream of information and especially recommend this method of learning all one can, as mp3s are portable.

My point is, starting from scratch, may better succeed, with a steady stream of information, which fits your life and, perhaps also, step up one’s physicality as a key feature.

While I am very grateful for learning all this for decades now, I recently took on a bigger picture study of life’s purpose and fulfillment outside of physical well being alone, (as with diet or supplements). This new study for me provides an extraordinary charge of energy and betterment, based on an additional kind of “self work”.

Agape, great post. You have me thinking about lab tests and the variables. I tend to wonder how accurate blood tests for vitamin deficiency are. If you think about it logically, they are basing the results on how much of a vitamin is found in the blood. Nutrients become absorbed and utilized in the tissues. What if I took a mega dose of a vitamin a couple of hours before being tested? I suspect that would give a largely inaccurate level on the high side. Also, variables like absorption, synergy with other nutrients and binding come into play as well but would never be considered in our current health care system.

I am prescribed vitamin d and vitamin b. Both to support Hashimoto’s thyroiditis symptoms. It works.

What I am going to offer as advice to avoid is vitamin k at all cost. Why? Well for one? It thickens the blood- not good for most. I watched my brother in law suffer a horrible death in 2012. He was a complete maniac for vegetable juice ( think V8) and ate kale like it was the main staple in his diet. Healthy, right? No. It clogs the arteries. Please avoid it and most dark leafy greens. Romaine lettuce is a safe alternative.

One other thing that might be a bit off topic - soil degradation- commercially produced vegetables and meats are 1/10ththe nutritional value that they were a mere 70 years ago. This explains the obesity epidemic. People eating a greater volume of empty calories because they are starving on a cellular level. Allan Savory has the answer and it’s all about feeding the soil. I know we don’t like Ted talks here, but this truly is the answer for the starving earth and it’s undernourished and over fed dependants.
https://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savo...change/up-next

My diet consists of - white jasmine rice (should be brown), beef, chicken, cod liver oil, citrus or pineapple, moomio / mumio / russian shilajit (full spectrum of trace minerals, weekly), broccoli carrots (occassionally). and Coffee + french butter (unfortunately coffee comes with heavy pesticide).

I'm in the pink of health due to this simple diet.

I would say out of this, the only "supplement" would be the moomio. I don't take Vitamin C.

Inside FDA’s Supplement Power Grab
BY ANH-USA MARCH 28, 2019
https://anh-usa.org/inside-fdas-supp...nt-power-grab/

"Just as we suspected, the FDA is coming after supplements once again. Action Alert!
https://anh-usa.org/category/action-alerts/

Recently we told you about a statement made by Commissioner Scott Gottlieb (who has since resigned his post) concerning the FDA’s regulatory approach to dietary supplements. The statement was short on details but gave us cause for concern. Now it appears as if those fears were warranted: the FDA is attempting to create a mandatory list of all supplement products in the US. Such a list could be used to target certain supplements and remove them from store shelves, and we must oppose it.

This revelation comes as a result of the FDA’s release of its 2020 budget estimates. In that document, the FDA requests the authority to “strengthen” its implementation and enforcement of the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) by requiring each supplement manufacturer to register all the products it makes, including all the ingredients of those products, with the agency. Note that an act of Congress would be necessary to grant the FDA the authority to create such a list.

As we stated previously, there’s nothing inherently wrong with such a requirement—our fear is that the FDA will use this list as a cudgel against the supplement industry. The danger is especially high with respect to the FDA’s “new supplement” guidance. This guidance, as we’ve discussed previously, seeks to impose drug-like pre-approval requirements on all “new supplements” that came to the market after 1994. As might be expected, the FDA’s proposed definition of what it considers a “new supplement” is extremely broad and could encompass most of the products currently on the market. A mandatory list of all supplements and ingredients could then be used to target and eliminate supplements that have not yet complied with the FDA’s over-reaching policy.

This isn’t the first time this has been tried. A mandatory registry was part of Sen. Dick Durbin’s (D-IL) legislation that, with your help, we beat back in 2013.

What is constantly obscured by the FDA and the politicians calling for more regulation is the overwhelming safety of dietary supplements: we’re more likely to die from getting struck by lightning than from taking a supplement. We question the priorities of an agency trying to increase regulation in the comparatively safe supplement sector when properly prescribed FDA-approved drugs cause 1.9 million hospitalizations and 128,000 deaths a year.

We must stop the FDA’s power grab in its tracks.

Action Alert! Write to Congress and the FDA, telling them that we do not need a mandatory list for the supplement industry. Please send your message immediately."
https://anh-usa.org/category/action-alerts/

Finding it’s more difficult to get decent strength reliable supplements now, usually alternatives are as useless as a chocolate fireguard...!

Every morning, when I wake up at 6:30am and feed/shoot the cats (one of my cats, Booger, is diabetic)….I take the following:

1 Sisu supreme multi-vitamin 50+ with added CoQ10 - https://www.sisu.com/our-products/su...ultivitamin-50

1 Sisu vitamin B12 – 1000 mcg - https://www.sisu.com/our-products/vi...ethylcobalamin

1 Sisu vitamin D (which is D3 according to their site) – 1000 iu - https://www.sisu.com/our-products/vitamin-d

1 Naka Glucosamine & chondroitin sulfate (sodium free) - https://villagevitaminstore.ca/produ...-chondr-125cap

Put it down with a couple spoonful’s of yogurt

An hour later, I buzz up my smoothie before walking out the door to work (spinach, beets, mixed berries, mixed nuts, 1 scoop of Vega Protein & Greens protein powder, and 1 scoop of Naka ProFlex joint relief powder, 1 scoop ground flax seeds, 1 scoop ground chia seeds…mixed with unsweetened almond milk)…and I sip on that during the day.

Usually skip lunch (nap in my Mazda)

Come home from work and nuke leftovers that I’ve cooked up from a roast or whatever the weekend before.

Overall, this is a LOT better than what I was doing for years and years….until my doctor put the fear of God into me about my sugar level and told me I was borderline diabetic (6.0 A1C level). That’s when I hopped on the smoothie train because I wasn’t eating anything in the mornings/afternoons…nothing until dinner…and no vitamins back then. So, the above is how I roll now…and I figure it’s gotta be doing some good for me. Love my Ninja (highly recommend the smoothies)!!

Dave - Toronto

Hanna Kroeger taught that those people who have worms and parasites (which means most of us) should NOT take vitamins and minerals. It is more important to kill the worms and parasites first. These thieves steal our precious resources and thrive and multiply in astronomical numbers at our expense. They dump their feces, which is very toxic, inside our system and our poor body has to deal with it.

Hanna Kroeger always advocated deworming with wormwood and homeopathy, which I religiously follow.
I take vitamin C when I feel I picked up some infection in a crowded subway, and vitamin A for my eyes when I'm too long on a computer and so on.

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Hanna Kroeger taught that those people who have worms and parasites (which means most of us) should NOT take vitamins and minerals.

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I'd be quite surprised if a blanket NO vitamins or minerals prescription was a good idea, whether treating parasites or not. Rather, find and adapt a good parasite treatment protocol, and adapt (some more, some less, ...) one's nutrient intake to one's current needs and what works well with that treatment protocol.

If you're loaded with worms and parasites, taking vitamins and minerals will make the situation worse. Kill the worms and parasites first, and only THEN, take the appropriate supplements. That's what the info is all about.

Let's say if a human body is a keg or bucket containing water and has a hole, which action will be smarter, constantly adding more water or fixing the hole?

Worms and parasites not only steal the expensive vitamins and minerals and multiply, but they excrete very toxic shi*t inside of you, causing all kinds of problems which doctors know sh*t about

I wouldn't nuke anything if I were you, Spellbound. Microwaves are bad news.
Toaster ovens do quite well and are much healthier for you, though they take a little bit longer.

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Your Supplements Are a Lie… Really?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hHRGqGmGmpg (15:10)

0:00 Introduction: The supplement industry and the FDA
3:33 L-tryptophan supplements (1989)
6:15 Synthetic vitamin supplements
8:10 How vitamins are made
10:34 Do you need to take vitamins?
14:55 Learn more about hidden maltodextrin!

In this video, we’re going to talk about vitamins and supplements. Sometimes, health supplements are discredited because they’re not regulated by the FDA the same way as pharmaceuticals, but it's important to understand the relationship between the FDA and pharmaceutical companies.

People often become employees of the FDA to secure a much higher-paying career at a pharmaceutical company. This plays a major role in the approval of drugs.

Many drugs are approved without enough evidence of safety. Overall, supplements are generally recognized as safe.

In 1989, a dozen people allegedly died from taking L-tryptophan. L-tryptophan is an amino acid that helps you sleep, has an anti-depressive factor, and curbs cravings. The problem arose from a contaminated batch of L-tryptophan that was made using genetically modified bacteria. There was a recall, and the FDA banned the supplement for 16 years.

Synthetic vitamins are much cheaper than natural vitamins but do not have the same effects on the body. Around ⅔ of vitamins come from raw materials made in China, all of which are synthetic industrially made compounds.

There are several reasons why we need vitamins and supplements and why some people need them more than others. The following factors will increase the need for vitamins and supplements:
• Food is grown in poor soils or hydroponically
• Genetics
• Chronic inflammation
• Frequent exercise
• Seed oil consumption
• Grain consumption
• Veganism
• Fasting

We have a very high need for some vitamins and minerals that require a large consumption of certain foods to achieve adequate intake. For example, you need 4700 mg of potassium each day.

Some deficiencies can be dangerous. Deficiencies in folate can mimic the same damage to your DNA as radiation.

Dr. Eric Berg DC Bio:
Dr. Berg, age 58, is a chiropractor who specializes in Healthy Ketosis & Intermittent Fasting. He is the author of the best-selling book The Healthy Keto Plan, and is the Director of Dr. Berg Nutritionals. He no longer practices, but focuses on health education through social media.

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For the hydroponics you have to use a good nutrient formula from raw salts, something like NPK 5% would be a start, then add some Ca, Fe, K, Mg, S, Zn, B, Cu, Mo, Na, Mn and so on, there is many different grades, brands, some with more or less elements on it. I bought one from the local nursery and they formulate it themselves, really home made stuff sold in pet bottles of 2L A/B formulation, great for greens and flowers. The other option is DIY which I will try at some point if not too hard to get hold of raw salts here.

For K I am using "cream of tartar" on everything I prepare to eat, it is slightly acidic taste (like lemons), 2 tsp (5 or 6 grams) is about 1000 mg of potassium, I use once per day, also some bananas and dark green leaves, I believe I am getting about half of what you mentioned as required per day. Good warning about potassium, thanks.