The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

So this virus is being treated with the highest degree of attention, it is rapidly spreading to other countries but yet this has symptoms and deaths just like the ordinary flu. I believe last years flu here in the states killed 28,000 americans , so whats the urgency with this one? Anybody have any answers or hunches? I will say 2 years ago I caught something, I couldn't do anything for 2 weeks, kicked my butt big time including being winded just from walking 50 ft. WEe know this started in china last month but now looks like its picking up steam , they also know now it is getting transmitted human to human. East asia also has a very bad swine virus going around????

Killer Chinese virus comes to the US: Patient infected with SARS-like coronavirus is reported in Washington state, CDC says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...-CDC-says.html


http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...on-arrive-here

THERE are fears the deadly coronavirus could become global with Chinese New Year sparking three BILLION trips.

At least six people have died while 308 victims have been infected including more than 270 in Wuhan which is the epicentre of the outbreak.

And with confirmed cases in Thailand, Japan and South Korea there are concerns that the upcoming Lunar New Year could spark a global pandemic.

In fact, today it has been reported that the first case in the United States will be announced, according to federal sources.

This Saturday marks the first day of the country’s New Year celebrations which is known as the "largest annual human migration in the world.”

Hundreds of millions of Chinese people will return home via planes, trains, ferries and by car – sparking mass movement within China as well as from abroad.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/107905..._source=pushly


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We have to be careful with these things because I can remember multiple times where they’ve hyped some scary virus as a way to scare people into more vaccinations.
Pyrangello, those flu death numbers are wrong. CDC always publishes wrong death numbers. They assume flu, even though there are many other things that produce the same symptoms. When researchers have actually gone through the “flu” samples they’ve discovered very few were actually the flu. But flu is what they sell vaccines for so that’s what they hype. Remember the swine flu scare a few years back? They did the same thing there, hyped deaths as swine flu but they weren’t. Jon Rappaport over at Nomorefakenews.com has documented all this really well. Go there for more detail.

As with any virus, the key is not to think about the virus so much but to think about your own interior terrain. A healthy immune system will defeat pretty much any virus. The other key is to know how to combat a virus naturally, using your body’s own defenses. My wife is a nurse practitioner and we NEVER ingest pharma drugs. There are several natural antibiotics, antifungals and antivirus products that work far better than anything you can get in a hospital (a couple threads on those around here, too). Learn and experiment with those and you’ll come to a point where you’ll not fear any virus and you’ll see these stories for what they are.

Matt

CONFIRMED -The First Case Of Coronovirus In The USA*6 Things You Need To Know:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GdAO_2B1KwQ

Let's understand that "coronavirus" is just a type of virus family, not a specific virus ... many of the "common colds" we get are caused by the corona virus, but more commonly the "rhinovirus".

Corona viruses are not new - first discovered ~1960 as the cause of people suffering from common cold symptoms, although now we know that there are over 200 different viruses that can give us the "common cold" symptoms. So headlines like in the video above as "first case of coronovirus in USA" is misleading and simplistic media click baiting (in the video title, not the post).

I believe there are seven known strains that currently can infect humans, many of them affect other mammals and livestock.

We may be dealing with a new strain, or a highly mutated strain. This apparent "new strain" has been considered not easy to be transmitted from human to human. Let's not allow media to cause us to project our fear around this, as that fear will not serve, and ultimately make the situation much worse than it would otherwise.

From my point of view, there's nothing to be alarmed about at all. Remember the US gets at least seven confirmed bubonic plague cases every year. I know of at least 5 cases people in the last few years here in Canada where people died from complications of an unknown respiratory illness, the doctors just say, well we know its not influenza. Weird viruses are everywhere ... like I said, there's over 200 known viruses we attribute the "common cold" to - which range in severity from "just like the worst flu ever" .. to "the sniffles". Weird viruses are everywhere ... all the time. if you weighed all the viruses and all the humans on earth, viruses would weigh more, and they can only be seen with an electron microscope - consider how many there are on earth altogether.

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So this virus is being treated with the highest degree of attention, it is rapidly spreading to other countries but yet this has symptoms and deaths just like the ordinary flu. I believe last years flu here in the states killed 28,000 americans
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Health Canada says that about 8000 Canadians die from influenza. Actual confirmed cases in all of Canada for an entire year is closer to the 200 mark. Some of the models used to calculate how they get that "8000" number included counting deaths in winter months (it's Canada, lots of people die in the winter for all sorts of reasons not related to illness), then subtracting the deaths from previous summer months and the difference is "flu deaths" (sorry I don't have link to original investigation behind this - it was a CBC investigative journalist's report) -- but things like car accident fatalities in winter due to icy and snowy roads are counted as "flu deaths". Pretty accurate, right?

Cui bono from these flu stat lies? Big Pharma. Big Pharma benefits most from creating fear of a pandemic - real, or of appearances only - it matters not to their profits.

Edit: Don't underestimate placebo effect ... it can be weaponized.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...navirus-spread

Quarantine of 11 million in china, I'm not worried as much as I think there's much that isn't being said. Theres a YouTube video on this link where they are spraying the town for the virus possibly. I know about the vaccinations slant, I don't get any of them . But go to this link , there talking quarantines in mexico, Australia, ect ect. I would say the prudent thing to do in the next few days is watch and feed info here on avalon and lets see if we can connect the dots or is this just a fire drill.

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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...navirus-spread
... I would say the prudent thing to do in the next few days is watch and feed info here on avalon and lets see if we can connect the dots or is this just a fire drill.

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Yeah ... when the information environment has reached a level where the entire ecology is based around strategically created and distributed information, it gets much more difficult to find reliable sources. But yes, I do agree - throwing stuff on the table is good, but also discernment is required somewhat for what we throw on the table. Energy flows where attention goes ... is that the saying? Or was it just a cat meme thread? ;)

Coronavirus Deaths Double Overnight To 17, Suspected Case Identified In St. Petersburg

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...rms-first-case

We discovered quite a lot about the mechanics (and mathematics!) of epidemiology during the Swine Flu scare of 2009-10, and the later Ebola scare a few years ago. It's instructive to learn a little about how all this works.

The paradox with something dangerous and infectious is that (e.g.) if some super-virus is super-fatal and strikes people down within 24 hours, then it's NOT such a risk to become an epidemic. Because, coarsely put, it kills the carrier before they have a chance to spread it around.

What's far more of a problem is when someone isn't badly sick at all (or might not even have any symptoms) — but the bug they're carrying is still contagious. It's like a hidden, slow-burning fuse.

Then the thing can spread around the globe within hours or days and like a wildfire, is REALLY hard to stop. That might be what's happening now with this particular virus.

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020...ert-operation/

„...Epidemics are good for business. Pharmaceutical business, inducing fear business, shutting down travel business, diverting the public from key events business, surveillance and quarantine business, and so on.

I’m sure, at some point, there will be THANK YOU, CHINA, BUSINESS, too. Thank you, China, for your rule by iron fist over the population. Your ability to stop anyone for any reason and test for “the virus” may have saved the planet from an extinction event. Freedom? Forget it. Public safety is the ace in the deck. It wins every time. Hell, we may need a good epidemic in the US, so we can exert more control over the unruly citizenry. The doctor is king. Do what he says. Always. How many vaccines are there now? Take all of them. Everyone must...“

I believe the Coronavirus is nothing more than the "common cold". Is this another swine flu and avian flu scare, born of the world's flu incubator (China) again? Seems to be.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=coronaviru...ld&t=h_&ia=web


From Jim Stone:



BOOOOM! CORONA VIRUS UPDATE ACCORDING TO MEX MEDIA

Anything else is probable B.S. hype

Diez en Punto, (by far the best newscast, perhaps in North America) stated that there have thus far been 446 cases of Coronavirus TOTAL in the ENTIRE world and that no one anywhere has died. This is proof of a scare psy op, and I can prove it.
FACT: "Corona Virus" is what causes the common cold. Therefore, there are millions and millions and millions of cases, but for their "outbreak model" they are hoaxing people making them think this is something unique by stating low numbers and praying for people to be ROCK STUPID.

Why trumpet 446 "confirmed cases" when there are obviously millions out there? Why trumpet 446 cases with zero dead? Why? Because it "showed up in China first", just like "swine flu" and H1N1? Here's a new education: All of the big scares have come out of China and all, (including coronavirus now) are proven hoaxes, hoax busted right here, on this site. QUESTION: WHY CHINA? Why is China ground zero for this crap? The social credit score? The one place where they can push it with instant penalization of dissenters? Probably something in that ball park.
I am officially declaring the "corona virus" outbreak a HOAX. FACT: in the city where I sit, with a population of 1.5 million, there are at least 3, 000 cases of "corona virus" because it is SO DAMN COMMON. This is not an outbreak, it is a medical scare scam.

A medical scare scam launched by a first year medical student or someone else who thinks "coronavirus" sounds spooky. YES. IT SOUNDS SPOOKY. Spookier than bird flu at least! Maybe that will work. NOT.

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What's far more of a problem is when someone isn't badly sick at all (or might not even have any symptoms) — but the bug they're carrying is still contagious. It's like a hidden, slow-burning fuse.

Then the thing can spread around the globe within hours or days and like a wildfire, is REALLY hard to stop. That might be what's happening now with this particular virus.

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Quite right, the incubation period is said to be 7 days for the virus: 2019-nCoV but they only stop and examine people who has higher body temperature than normal at bus/train stations and airports because it's said to be most contagious.

Now this has proved to be a failure so the whole city is now quarantined: https://www.foxnews.com/health/china...tbreak-reports

Meanwhile, there is a shortage of medical resources, doctors and medical experts so people with symptoms has to wait hours to receive medical treatment, some of them gave up and went home. People are not getting help they need.

Is the new ‘deadly China virus’ a covert operation?
by Jon Rappoport
January 22, 2020

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020...ert-operation/

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"NEW VIRUS IN CHINA. WATCH OUT. SPREADING. ANIMALS TO HUMANS? PANDEMIC COMING UP? OBEY MEDICAL AUTHORITIES. ALL HANDS ON DECK. CENTERED IN WUHAN. CITY OF 11 MILLION. WILL THEY QUARANTINE AND SHUT DOWN HONG KONG? TRAVELERS WITH THE VIRUS GETTING THROUGH TO EUROPE AND AMERICA? WHAT’S THE NAME OF THE VIRUS? 2019-nCOV or nCoV2019. WHAT? THANK GOD THE CHINESE ARE UNDER A TIGHT DICTATORSHIP, THEY CAN CRACK DOWN AND QUARANTINE ANYBODY ON A WHIM. IF YOUR BODY TEMPERATURE IS ELEVATED ON A TEST, THEY STOP YOU? WOW. WE MAY NEED THAT IN THE USA, AS LONG AS THEY DON’T STOP ME. IMPEACHMENT? FORGET THAT, IT’S THE VIRUS.

In the 19 years of this website, the one story I’ve researched and covered more than any other is the DEADLY VIRUS hustle. SARS, Swine Flu, Ebola, etc.

Now, we have a new one. The possible maybe CORONAVIRUS from China.

In each case of these could-be killers, we have an official warning. “This could be the big one.” Millions of people could fall ill and die. In each case, there are travelers. “People returning from X have the virus and they are spreading it.” In the case of SARS and Swine Flu, the patients’ symptoms were typical “flu” symptoms: fever, fatigue, cough, weakness. In other words, there was no reason to think the “new disease” was any different from ordinary traditional illness.

The big and only difference is the claim that researchers have found a new virus as the cause of illness.

But in each case, there are serious problems with that claim.

First, only “official researchers” are involved with the “discovery” of the new virus. There is no confirmation from independent researchers. For example, in the case of SARS (2003), ten labs belonging to the World Health Organization (WHO) performed the “discovery” of that coronavirus. They were connected through closed circuit—no outsiders allowed.

Eventually, a Canadian biologist working for WHO, Frank Plummer, told the press he was quite puzzled by what he was seeing: more and more SARS patients didn’t have the SARS virus at all. In fact, almost no new SARS patients had the virus. Well, when you stop and think about that ridiculous state of affairs, you realize you can’t say a person, with ordinary flu-like symptoms, is suffering from a new disease if he doesn’t have the cause of that disease. But the mainstream press took no notice of this and moved on.

In the case of the Swine Flu “epidemic” (2009), the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) was reporting thousands of cases in America—but CBS star reporter Sharyl Attkisson found out that the CDC had, mysteriously, stopped counting cases. How could this be? She came up with the devastating answer. The overwhelming percentage of blood tests on Swine Flu patients were coming back from labs with no sign of the Swine Flu virus or any other flu virus. That story ran on the CBS News site, but as Attkisson told me in an interview, the bosses at CBS wouldn’t allow it on the national television news broadcast. Censored. And that was the end of the CBS exposure of the Swine Flu hoax. Yet, as I reported: about three weeks after CBS shut down the story, WebMD ran a piece in which the CDC estimated there were 22 MILLION cases of Swine Flu in the US. If your head is spinning, it should be.

The second major problem with the announcement of a “new disease” or an epidemic is the absence of research on what we could call the “infection factor.” Let me explain. To even begin to say a particular germ is causing a particular disease, you have to prove the germ is present in a patient’s body IN GREAT NUMBERS. A few little viral particles floating around here and there are irrelevant. You need millions. So if an ignorant doctor or a researcher states, “Well, this patient has the coronavirus so he has the disease,” he’s falling far short of proving anything useful. Where are the tests proving the patient has millions of the virus in his body? Nowhere.

The third major problem with the announcement of a “new disease” or an epidemic is the “test factor.” What test is being run on a patient to prove he has the “new virus” in his body? Most of the time, it is an antibody test. Stay with me here, this is important. Prior to 1984, it was generally recognized that a positive antibody test was a good outcome. In short, it indicated that the patient’s immune system had come in contact with a germ and successfully defeated it. But then, for several reasons, this science was turned on its head. A positive antibody test, from that time on, was evidence that the patient currently had the disease in question. Boom. Now, disease numbers could easily be inflated. And they were. And they are.

Automatically assuming that the announcement of a possible epidemic is accurate—well, it’s a major mistake, to say the least.

The CDC and WHO are operated by virus hunters. Running a new virus up the flagpole is their stock in trade. They rush to an area where an “outbreak” has been announced, and they roll up their sleeves and look for the virus. They pay no attention to environmental factors, such as contaminated water supplies or toxic chemicals or malnutrition or lack of basic sanitation.

Epidemics are good for business. Pharmaceutical business, inducing fear business, shutting down travel business, diverting the public from key events business, surveillance and quarantine business, and so on.

I’m sure, at some point, there will be THANK YOU, CHINA, BUSINESS, too. Thank you, China, for your rule by iron fist over the population. Your ability to stop anyone for any reason and test for “the virus” may have saved the planet from an extinction event. Freedom? Forget it. Public safety is the ace in the deck. It wins every time. Hell, we may need a good epidemic in the US, so we can exert more control over the unruly citizenry. The doctor is king. Do what he says. Always. How many vaccines are there now? Take all of them. Everyone must.

Nineteen years ago, when I started this website, I told you that, of all the cartels in this world, the most important and powerful one, long-term, was the medical cartel. Nothing since that time has changed my mind."

Let's face it, the common cold has slowly mutated over the last 30 years to become "the flu." If you aren't stressed and get 8 hours sleep, you won't catch it, or it will be mild, like the common cold of decades past. If you do catch it, it could become bronchitis or pneumonia. In any case, have some 10:1 oregano oil on hand, which will knock it out. Here's an inexpensive source:
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swan...0-mg-120-sgels

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Let's face it, the common cold has slowly mutated over the last 30 years to become "the flu." If you aren't stressed and get 8 hours sleep, you won't catch it, or it will be mild, like the common cold of decades past. If you do catch it, it could become bronchitis or pneumonia. In any case, have some 10:1 oregano oil on hand, which will knock it out. Here's an inexpensive source:
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swan...0-mg-120-sgels

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I am 100% sure that Oil of oregano is the best antibiotic/antiviral you can have in the medicine cabinet.

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We have to be careful with these things because I can remember multiple times where they’ve hyped some scary virus as a way to scare people into more vaccinations.

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What comes to mind is the 2009 fake swine flu epidemic that was being pedalled by WHO and our governments at the time.

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We have to be careful with these things because I can remember multiple times where they’ve hyped some scary virus as a way to scare people into more vaccinations.

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What comes to mind is the 2009 fake swine flu epidemic that was being pedalled by WHO and our governments at the time.

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Does anyone remember the 1976 swine flu scare? I remember well how they were hyping that one. Everyone was encouraged to get the vaccine. I was young and working in downtown Harrisburg, PA, and I would take a bus to work and back from where I lived (near 3-mile-island) At the bus-stop one day after work, there were nurses on the city streets, giving out flu shots for free to everyone at the bus-stop or passing by. We all just lined up and took the shot. In retrospect, I do wonder what that 1976 swine flu shot AND 3-mile-island did to me! haha Oh well, water under the bridge at this point.

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We have to be careful with these things because I can remember multiple times where they’ve hyped some scary virus as a way to scare people into more vaccinations.

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What comes to mind is the 2009 fake swine flu epidemic that was being pedalled by WHO and our governments at the time.

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Does anyone remember the 1976 swine flu scare? I remember well how they were hyping that one. Everyone was encouraged to get the vaccine. I was young and working in downtown Harrisburg, PA, and I would take a bus to work and back from where I lived (near 3-mile-island) At the bus-stop one day after work, there were nurses on the city streets, giving out flu shots for free to everyone at the bus-stop or passing by. We all just lined up and took the shot. In retrospect, I do wonder what that 1976 swine flu shot AND 3-mile-island did to me! haha Oh well, water under the bridge at this point.

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I was in Los Angeles, and I don't recall if they called it swine flu, but a LOT of people came down with a bad flu, myself included.

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We have to be careful with these things because I can remember multiple times where they’ve hyped some scary virus as a way to scare people into more vaccinations.

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What comes to mind is the 2009 fake swine flu epidemic that was being pedalled by WHO and our governments at the time.

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The 2009 scare seemed more artificial than this one. In 2009 they were gearing up for it before it really started, as if they created it themselves or had some kind of heads up. This on seems to be rolling out more naturally.

According to Peter Hurford as below it takes much more than five years to develop a vaccine for a new virus

https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/...-a-new-vaccine

However luckily the corona virus has already been patented and vaccines are in the pipeline so no need to worry unduly

https://patents.google.com/patent/US7220852



‘So let me get this straight about this virus

It’s “new” yet it was lab created and patented in 2015 (in development since 03’)

The patent expired (today) on the day the first case is announced in the US

The patent also tells us the CDC helped make this! “This invention was made by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, an agency of the United States Government. Therefore, the U.S. Government has certain rights in this invention.”

And now magically a vaccine is in the works for it already? Yet the patent in 2015 already references a vaccine for it.

But what do I know I’m just a conspiracy theorist.

Chris kirckof.’

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Let's face it, the common cold has slowly mutated over the last 30 years to become "the flu." If you aren't stressed and get 8 hours sleep, you won't catch it, or it will be mild, like the common cold of decades past. If you do catch it, it could become bronchitis or pneumonia. In any case, have some 10:1 oregano oil on hand, which will knock it out. Here's an inexpensive source:
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swan...0-mg-120-sgels

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I am 100% sure that Oil of oregano is the best antibiotic/antiviral you can have in the medicine cabinet.

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I take Collodial Silver daily & it may be more effective than Oregano ? .

It seems no one answered the question correctly.

Tens of thousands of death from flu per year in the US is an inflated figure designed to have you vacinated. See
https://thevaccinereaction.org/2018/...luenza-deaths/
At a press conference held at the National Press Club in Washington, DC on September 27, 2018, U.S. Surgeon General Jerome Adams, MD noted that 80,000 people in the U.S. died of influenza during the 2017-2018 season. “You all saw the story in the AP last night… 80,000 people dying from the flu or flu-related complications last year,” said Dr. Adams.2 3

Adams was referring to a report by the Associated Press regarding an interview it conducted with director of the CDC Robert Redfield, MD on September 25, 2018.4 In that interview, Dr. Redfield said, “I’d like to see more people get vaccinated. We lost 80,000 people last year to the flu.”4

According to the CDC, “These new estimates are record-breaking, and emphasize the seriousness and severity of flu illness and serve as a strong reminder of the importance of flu vaccination.”2

Predictably, the 80,000 figure has been picked up by the media far and wide.5 6 7 8 9 10 11

The headline in The New York Times article read, “Over 80,000 Americans Died of Flu Last Winter, Highest Toll in Years.” The subheading read, “Among the dead were 180 babies, children and teenagers, more than in any year since the CDC began tracking pediatric deaths.”12

Sensationalistic reporting. This would be understandable were the 80,000 figure accurate, but 80,000 people did not die of influenza in 2017-2018. That is an inflated figure which the CDC attained by combining the number of deaths caused by pneumonia, other respiratory illnesses and sepsis, along with those caused by lab confirmed type A or B influenza.13

Joseph Mercola, DO points out…

While [the 80,000 figure] sounds ominous, it’s worth remembering that what they’re counting as “flu deaths” are not just deaths directly caused by the influenza virus, but also secondary infections such as pneumonia and other respiratory diseases, as well as sepsis.14

Obviously, not all pneumonia deaths or deaths from other r


Tens of millions of people get the flu every year. The mortality rate of ordinary flu is about 0.02%, so it accounts for thousands of death by flu. The number of deaths from SARS was some 800, but if you check the figure for SARS, it is close to 20% mortality rate and over 50% for old people. This is a frighteningly high rate. I dont know why the misinformation that make people think that the coronavirus is not a big deal.

Food GONE from Stores in Wuhan as Quarantine Begins; Price Gouging and Robberies Rampant
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...beries-rampant

So here's my 2 cents, and thanks for everyone in the avalon family for chiming in from various views. When the bird flu was traveling around I read quite a bit of material on the web, One of my best friends is a surgeon of 30 years. I asked him about that and the correlation of the influenza of 1917. He's a great doc, but his response to me was so calm as he just said " Yeah every 100 years or so something comes around and wipes out a bunch of people". Last year I saw a documentary on the Influenza strain that swept the globe over a 2-3 year period , It was aggressive , it was deadly, one statistic that stuck in my head was just in the city of new york back then they had 11,000 deaths in month at its peak. Another friend of mine who is a retired new york policeman told me years ago his grandmother told him that during that time when so many were dying in the winter time they couldn't bury anyone so loved ones were wrapped in a blanket and set at the curb and the truck came by daily to pick up anyone that had passed away. Thats an epidemic in my opinion.

Now to this current virus, everyone's posts on vaccines are great, I remember the pig flu in 2009, I had a gal in my office with 3 kids, little ones. I seem to recall the vaccine was being distributed for free after 9 weeks, I thought to myself, hell there experimenting on us because it takes longer than that to establish a vaccine. Then I read some of the ingredients in the vaccine contained Caterpillar genes and canine genes.I'm not kidding, I know what I read. I do not have a source to link that to but thats when I sat down with my office gal and suggested to her not to get those little ones that shot. She didn't and there fine today. BTW why a virus has never been cured is because it changes so fast and never establishes itself long enough to make a vaccine for it- A virus wants to survive just like us.

Fast forward to today, oil of oregano, I'm a big fan, 7 eye drops to a gallon of water, you sip it daily until you get better, you will feel your chest heat up from sipping this. I mix it in hot tea, also boil it on the stove with vicks vapor rub and apple cider vinegar, my own concoction. Collidal silver, yep another fan. Vitamin D-3 too, Bill Ryan did a video presentation years ago with a gal from Europe, she suggested 5000 iu a day to replace 15 minutes of the sun a day. She also suggested I think 10,000 iu a day for a month first. The overdose rate on this is 1 million units in a day and it won't upset your stomach. and my favorite is putting vicks vapor rub on the bottom of your feet at night, absorbs big time.During the black plaque they walked around with raw garlic in their shoes to absorb that. Garlic-huge fan. Bill , can you post that link to that interview, was one of your best.

Now as far as this virus, its not that alot of people are dying, at least not now , I think there are 2 issues of concern, 1- is listed in this link I just provided , hospitals being overwhelmed with sick people, and I mean overwhelmed. Many people here in the states just think the hospital is a fix all for everything you have wrong with you. Some things you have to ride out and do as many things yourself, pumping liquids into you, chicken soup, teas, and stuff in the air and rest. 2- I feel the larger fear is this virus mutating with another to become very deadly, Remember a virus host wants to live at all costs, it changes, mutates and travels until it gets so aggressive it dies out, That 1917 influenza died out just as fast as it started after 3 years. It was quite bizarre how it just stopped and disappeared. There is also currently that deadly swine virus that is killing all the hogs/pigs thru out Asia along with many other strains. This is why I believe this now is being taken so seriously as what it could be, not so much as what it currently is. Thats my 2 cents. I'm not a doctor , I'm just a concerned citizen of this planet that reads quite a bit. If anyone has opposing views on this or comments please do, If I need to be corrected please do again, I wont be offended.

More info coming out

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/mat...box=1579796013
Matt Gurney: What I learned from my SARS quarantine — we’re screwed if it happens again

https://endoftheamericandream.com/ar...-room-for-them
Coronavirus Nightmare: Chinese Hospitals Are Turning Away Hordes Of Sick People Because There Is No Room For Them

http://allnewspipeline.com/Is_Corona...In_America.php
WITH MAJOR UPDATE! Coronavirus Patent Granted To Bill Gates Funded Institute In 2018 Gives More Credence To The Theory It Might Be A Bioweapon

Also see "Scientists Resume Efforts To Create Deadly Flu Virus, With US Government's Blessing" from March 2019
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevens.../#5e2db7475edd
Also posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1332717

A little from Jim Stone, and a little from myself.

Coronavirus

As of this morning, (Jan 23) total confirmed deaths worldwide are at 17. Don't believe the B.S. that is being spewed about massive death rates.
FACT: 17 deaths worldwide do not amount to enough to confirm any virus did anything, that's a number so low it is statistical chatter.

Top two rumors: China is freaking out, has quarantined two cities and is doing aerial spraying.

The other rumor: Wuhan, where the outbreak was supposedly started, has a level 4 bio lab which was doing research on the world's top pathogens.

I know this stuff is being said but am still calling bunk on this, once you get past hype and rumor, the numbers do not add up.

The main story line now is that it came from a snake, and that it escaped from a biolab, however, cows do to. And dogs, and cats and birds. Other stories are that it came from bat soup, because "Bats carry coronavirus". On the BBC main news last night, it stated that the outbreak was centred around a seafood market.

The bottom line is that someone needs a serious scare to get everyone to submit to a "vaccine", who could that be?

Chaos Erupts In China, 18M Under Quarantine As Wuhan Virus Spreads "Feels Like The End Of The World"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hJKGauMOuQY

Chaos Erupts In China, 18M Under Quarantine As Wuhan Virus Spreads "Feels Like The End Of The World." 9 cities in China are now on lockdown due to the rapid spread of the Wuhan Virus. While this is likely not going to be that big of a deal China is taking it very seriously. Fears are escalating as the virus is spreading around the world. The US as well as many southeast asian countries were hit by a few cases of the Wuhan Virus but for the most part it does seem to be over hyped by media. One thing gaining attention online is the story from 2017 about a new Biolab in Wuhan and fears a pathogen could escape. There is no evidence to suggest that is the case but many people are concerned nonetheless that this coronavirus will have a devastating impact

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Chaos Erupts In China, 18M Under Quarantine As Wuhan Virus Spreads "Feels Like The End Of The World"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hJKGauMOuQY

Chaos Erupts In China, 18M Under Quarantine As Wuhan Virus Spreads "Feels Like The End Of The World." 9 cities in China are now on lockdown due to the rapid spread of the Wuhan Virus. While this is likely not going to be that big of a deal China is taking it very seriously. Fears are escalating as the virus is spreading around the world. The US as well as many southeast asian countries were hit by a few cases of the Wuhan Virus but for the most part it does seem to be over hyped by media. One thing gaining attention online is the story from 2017 about a new Biolab in Wuhan and fears a pathogen could escape. There is no evidence to suggest that is the case but many people are concerned nonetheless that this coronavirus will have a devastating impact

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Mod note from Bill:

John. Please listen. All you did was exactly copy the YouTube title (which we can see anyway), and then exactly copy the text. Nothing else. Not all your posts are like this, but 80% of them are.

What are your views about this?

Readers might find it more interesting to have an interactive discussion about the topic (of course, maybe citing some references), than just copying and pasting YouTube videos over and over again.

You see, people can find YouTube videos for themselves, if they want to. They can't so easily find John Kuhles. :) And John Kuhles might have some really interesting things of his own to say.

Don't let Timcast do all your thinking, or speaking, for you. He's very sensational, and might not always be right.

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I've been putting oregano essential oil in my essential oil diffuser every day, which is a great way to take it in for me, since I can't stand the taste of it, and taking it in capsule form makes me belch.
I blend about a half to a pound of fresh aloe vera gel in my morning smoothie every day, the variety that is used for consumption which comes in big leaves from 1 to about 3 lbs. each.
Great prevention--anti-fungal, anti-viral, anti-bacterial, unparalleled for treating inflammation, which is common to most chronic diseases, infections, etc. and is the cause of much discomfort.
In the US, you can buy it by the 25 lb box in most Mexican markets, or you can have organically grown leaves shipped from Aloe Labs in Harlingen Texas.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z4fyDZXSRwc

When I told someone once about consistently using aloe as bacterial/viral infection prevention, she said," but doesn't that kill all your good probiotics?"
The answer is an emphatic "NO!"
Man-made antibiotics do that, one reason why taking aloe for prevention is so much better, and because it PREVENTS you from getting sick in the first place!

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Let's face it, the common cold has slowly mutated over the last 30 years to become "the flu." If you aren't stressed and get 8 hours sleep, you won't catch it, or it will be mild, like the common cold of decades past. If you do catch it, it could become bronchitis or pneumonia. In any case, have some 10:1 oregano oil on hand, which will knock it out. Here's an inexpensive source:
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swan...0-mg-120-sgels

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I am 100% sure that Oil of oregano is the best antibiotic/antiviral you can have in the medicine cabinet.

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I take Collodial Silver daily & it may be more effective than Oregano ? .

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Bill, can you post that link to that interview, was one of your best.

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Gabriele Stähler on Vitamin D3, with Bill Ryan (1 hour)

Bill Ryan from Project Camelot interviews Gabriele Stähler about Vitamin D3. This video contains the basics you need to know about how Vitamin D3 works in the body, how much to take when you want to supplement it for better health, and why it's important to know about as it is a natural antibiotic made in our bodies to protect us against viruses, bacteria and the most common illnesses (plagues?) of our time like cancer, diabetes, heart disease - etc. May the sun be with you!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HH1rB-Ya2UQ

The coronavirus is a patented depopulation weapon patented July 23 2015. Patent number 10130701 assigned to the Pirbright Institute. I am sure they will make good money from this. First you patent the virus than the vaccine.

https://www.infowars.com/bill-and-me...-3-months-ago/

On Sky News they said that the virus came from Chinese gourmets eating a dish made from a bat or a snake.

It's difficult to know what's going on in China; perhaps fake news and larping, but ever since Warren posted his world-wide population change predictions, I've been watching the news closely for any signs of fullfillment and I'm sure I'm not the only one here doing this.

There's a rash (no pun intended) of disturbing news being splashed across social media right now and I couldn't help but think about Warren's thread.

For anybody that missed it:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...by-End-of-2019

He revised his initially projected date from late 2019 to early 2020 and although we are a couple weeks past his projection...

O.K., no attacks, please, just saying what came to mind instead of posting outrageous youtube videos.

Good info from all perspectives, thanks running deer for the video. What's comforting from everyone here is this information levels the situation to a calm thoughtful process for all of us to digest. There are tons more stories out there. We just need to move forward one day at a time now. Thanks onawah for your oil of oregano app. Much appreciated.

when i first heard of this i was reminded of the phrase "china will catch a cold " ala anglo saxon mission , apparently Australia has been getting direct flights from the infected zone in China

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We discovered quite a lot about the mechanics (and mathematics!) of epidemiology during the Swine Flu scare of 2009-10, and the later Ebola scare a few years ago. It's instructive to learn a little about how all this works.

The paradox with something dangerous and infectious is that (e.g.) if some super-virus is super-fatal and strikes people down within 24 hours, then it's NOT such a risk to become an epidemic. Because, coarsely put, it kills the carrier before they have a chance to spread it around.

What's far more of a problem is when someone isn't badly sick at all (or might not even have any symptoms) — but the bug they're carrying is still contagious. It's like a hidden, slow-burning fuse.

Then the thing can spread around the globe within hours or days and like a wildfire, is REALLY hard to stop. That might be what's happening now with this particular virus.

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I recall that there was a reference to a manufactured virus which singles out Chinese people a few years ago - part of that long term project to wipe out a good portion of the global population. What if this virus is designed to carry off 'Boomers', pneumonia was often labelled the 'old man's friend' because it swiftly killed older people? There is a reference to THE PIRBRIGHT INSTITUTE , patenting the virus: " 600 cases confirmed across nine different countries, It was patented by Jul 23, 2015 - THE PIRBRIGHT INSTITUTE The coronavirus may be used as a vaccine for treating and/or preventing a disease, such as infectious bronchitis, in a subject. This was deliberate to depopulize."
Are they warning us all that we can be eliminated if we do not cease & desist from our Populist ways?
Makes you think, or paranoid delusion do you think Bill?
Time to heed the very good advice of Henry Deacon to stock up your vitamin D3 levels, boost your immune systems.

Exactly! I mentioned that in my reply also.

I don't know if this has been debunked but back 30 - 40 years ago the theory was that the seasonal flu begins in the chicken farms in China. And that the CDC would obtain samples of the eggs lain in the region to develop their vaccine for that year's flu season.

Always struck me as odd that such a story would circulate. On the other hand I do not understand the reason for the flu, nor do I think they do either. It seems rather an odd way for either the flu virus or our immune systems to have evolved naturally because as a survival strategy, it stinks for the bug, and as defense mechanism its pretty sloppy as a function. I rarely get the flu any more since I decided it wasn't natural and easily thwarted.

Too early to tell, but...this is the age of sensationalism...so my bet is on this being way overblown.

At the 5:30min mark Bill describes a scenario which is a scary fit for the current Chinese Coronavirus outbreak.....hmmmmm

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZNlxgKsVM58

Sooo... first post here, so nice to meet y'all! :handshake: I wanted to toss something out that I haven't seen talked about much. As an herbalist and a mother, colds and bugs are something I've particularly studied and prepped for.

Viruses and bacteria are older than any living organism on Earth. They adapt extremely well and they have learned how to resist modern medicine and thrive in our world. Now, that's probably not news to anyone here. It's also not news that based on historic cycles, we're due for a pandemic. But there are two things that I'd like to pull out of this:

First, while there may be those pushing for population control via vaccines and bio-weaponry, I seriously doubt the majority of doctors working at the CDC or WHO are knowingly part of that. In fact, I think many of them DO think about the side-effects of vaccines, but their alternatives are very grim.

Doctors know the limitations of modern medicine more than anyone; they're faced with it everyday. So when something new comes along, I think many of them particularly here in the west, tend to panic. They can't even handle the flu, which strikes every year! When something really bad comes along, there is nothing they can do. Their medicines won't work. The best they can hope for is that vaccines will.

For the most part, doctors (here in the US, at least) have been trained to disregard natural or herbal remedies as nothing but snake oil. So when doctors push for vaccines, I believe it's because they are afraid. Most of them are sincerely trying to save lives, not cull the population.

Second, and the biggest point I want to make, is actually about the viruses and bacteria themselves. The way we have lived our lives, the way modern medicine has done its work, and the way our food supply has been the past 100-or-so years has been putting these little micro-organisms through boot camp. That's what they do. They adapt. They mutate. And now, they've emerged as super-soldiers: highly trained and heavily armed even against natural remedies.

Even with herbal and natural remedies, you're going to have to fight these emerging diseases longer and harder. You'll have to jump on it quick, and keep after it until it's gone. You need to be prepared to wage war against super-soldiers.

(And as an aside, you need to gather your allies in advance, aka healthy bacteria!)