Russophobia: why do so many people in the west hate and fear Russia?

There's been quite a lot of interesting discussion about this in the alt media, and I've been meaning to post about it for some time. The prompt for me today was a short new video by Gonzalo Lira, shared at the foot of this post.

But you definitely don't need to watch Gonzalo's video to have an opinion about this. As he states right up front (and rightly, too), the Russians have been masters of literature and classical music, having produced some of the most exalted artistic works in human history. And in science, they have had (and still have) some of the very brightest and best minds on the planet.

A month ago I posted a segment of a Scott Ritter interview in which he shared how when he was on a lengthy UN assignment in Russia many years ago, he discovered that the Russians he met there, and in some cases got to know extremely well, were (a) very human, (b) most likeable, and (c) shared many if not all of his personal values.

His experience there changed his entire view of the Russian people — having been trained as a US Marine to hate them unquestioningly.

Do listen to this, starting in at 25:05. I promise you that this 10 minute segment is 100% solid gold.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=EFpKmbjhuk0
As I've mentioned once or twice before, I've been to Russia a couple of times attending conferences, and visiting various interesting people whom I organized to spend time talking with. I still have Russian friends, and every single person I met, without exception, was just the finest human being.

Here's Gonzalo's video — but the more important one I think is Scott Ritter's above, starting at 25:05. Once more, I do MOST highly recommend that.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Er3pfCP2_vU
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I can only speak for my friends and family. And I've never heard any of them once say anything hateful about Russia. Never once have they waved an angry fist in the air and declared, "You know what's pissing me off today? Those Goddamn Russians! I hate 'em!":)

Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever heard them say anything at all about Russia...good or bad. It's on the other side of the world, and people here have their own problems to deal with.

The people that do hate Russia here in the U.S., or think they do, are mostly just regurgitating government propoganda. They're feeling and saying what they think they should be feeling and saying. But even those types are rare, at least in my orbit. In fact I can't recall a single time coming across anyone ranting and raving about the "evil" Russians. People will blame them when it's politically convenient but it's not any kind of real, deep hatred or anything. It's just the superficial variety

Obviously with the situation in Ukraine there is now more anti Russia sentiment than usual. But even that is overblown. It's mostly anti-Putin sentiment.

Thanks for posting this Bill. My favorite art and classical music is Russian, Rachmaninoff my favorite composer.

I play Ice Hockey with many Russians over the years and still do. All of them are fine people.

However this is not now or ever about the people. This is about governments and power brokers, not citizens.

it's all brainwashing and propaganda that have people hating Russia, even to the point of wanting Russian cats removed from cat shows.

Did you ever hear of anything more embarrassingly stupid?

I watched a video clip of a cop pulling over a guy for running a stop sign or something, and then the guy tried to blame it on Putin ... lol. The vilification of Russia has become so commonplace an normalized, people actually are starting to think they can blame everything bad that happens to them on Russia, because we all know from watching the corporate media that Russia is to blame for everything bad ... gas prices too high? Russia. Extreme inflation? Russia. Food shortages? Russia. Freedom convoy? Russia. Free speech threatened? Russia.

I just can't believe how stupid people are in general to not see how all this scapegoating is only being projected on to us so we don't have to realize the huge nefariousness of our current western media and our "leadership" ... if you can call it that.

In my own family I have never heard a bad word about Russians being any different than any other "group" of people in the world. I do know other people who had very bad experiences in their past that were from neighbouring countries to Russia during times of conflict.


During times of conflict terrible things can happen to any country. In Australia many people who came back from WWII had sad stories about their treatment from the Japanese soldiers and they found it hard to say something good about the Japanese because of what happened to them. The following generations in Australia don't seem to carry that fear any more. With all the wars, there was a portrayed enemy when you think back through history, and for each country they were "taught" to "see" an enemy. Sometimes defensive action was warranted other times better ways could have been used to solve problems.

Now many folk have realised how their soldiers were "used" to manipulate the power struggles in the world by sometimes unknown powers. That does not take away from many very brave and self sacrificing, honourable missions soldiers and secret spies, the woman and men in their home countries holding the line to keep their families safe permformed. Each were doing what they thought was best and right in that time. Most families, including my own have members that were or are in the military and did their duty for their countries.


I doubt wheather there is any innocent Nations in the world that haven't manipulated or been manipulated. I think that is what Project Avalon is all about, uncovering what is really going on.

These anti Russia sentiments seem to be artificialy created by some politicians & medea in the last years for obvious political reasons.
For a succesfull war the leaders need the population to hate the enemy.But as far as i can see its not working,they overestimated their power to get the people hot for a worldwar.
People had enough of war and hating another nation is an outdated old fashion thing, and thats where the leaders underestimate the people,thats their lesson;they lost touch with everyday reality and they wanna hold on to their powers to continue their old way of living,they cant give up ,or it will be their downfall.so for them its everything or nothing,so they try to drag us all into this wordwar until they realise that it wont work anymore.,their old world is on its way out....;
and the new world has arrived already :peace:--

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3-oLjVmy8Fo

I doubt anyone with a half-functional brain would hate or fear Russian (or any) civilians. On the other hand, to start a war governments are trying to brainwash people - create an invisible enemy. I want to believe that it is getting harder for them to do that today.

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...even to the point of wanting Russian cats removed from cat shows.

Did you ever hear of anything more embarrassingly stupid?

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Equal to, yes. It definitely has contenders. But top shelf product is so strong, that, no, it is hard to tell if any of them could possibly be "more".



Similarly, if I removed Russia from the thread title, it would be left as why do so many people in the west hate and fear?


And then we can turn around and ask, do Russian people sit around and do that? I doubt they do.

I have had the ability to encounter various breeds of bigotry, but I personally have never heard anything about Russia. I have never really asked either, I don't know, it could have been sleeping.

My current outlook is becoming that it is hype because the important part is not the Russians, but, whatever is actually in Ukraine.

It may have been the pinnacle potential of one world dominance, at least according to Brzenski.

The Security Council has been treated to a session of video statements from evacuated civilians and all of the context that goes with it.

Operationally I believe we are seeing Project for a New American Century--i. e. such as can be shown to be projecting interest in all of the countries hosting similar bio-labs--evidently combined with some British business that is in Ukraine. This kind of thing does not have much public support. And so I have yet to become aware of anything other than a press-regurgitated political propaganda. It does say that the item in charge of the country has a 30% approval rating, and then we are left with a generally-accurate presumption there probably is a 15% extremist minority that really believes these beliefs, and I have just never met any.

Ukraine is a spectacular Totentanz combining what would ordinarily be distinguished as Nazism and Zionism. We have that, in a sick mess with medical stuff, which you may identify with Jesuitry and Catholicism. There are some hateful forces out there, but, almost by definition, they fail to "represent the people".

Because Fascism is Capitalism, we can see such an explanation from what I think is Romanian:


Fratele meu sclav la fascistul capitalist roman sau gunoi anglo saxon,in curand Dacia va fi eliberata de capitalismul fascist sclavagist marca Roschild iar noi vom fi liberi sa incatusam si sa trimitem scarbavnicul fascisto-capitalist acolo unde ii este locul in lagare de munca asa cum ne-a pus el scursura pentru mizerabilul lui profit personal pe sclavia,lacrimile,durerea si chinul nostru al clasei muncitoare ! Mama Rusia ne va elibera din nou de fascistul capitalism asa cum a facut-o in 1945 !



Clearly, beginning with the Boer War and ever since, all western aggression has been an act of Capitalism.

No question about it/they having extremist hatred, but I have never seen anyone display Russo-phobia in any way. There might have once been a dislike of Soviet Communists, which faded away in my era. Right now I think it is a massive cover-up stage.

Met many Russian people worked with a few, made memorable connections never found any issues or problems as like most citizens worldwide, if I'd had to pin down any unique traits: I would say they're usually straight talkers with a self-deprecating sense of humour that I have always found rather appealing.

Deliberate divisiveness in bad-faith. The fear machine switched from Covid to Ukraine overnight. Russia is the 1980's cold-war villain which tPtb invoked as a divisive scapegoat to cover their own shenanigans over the last few years; Russia is the boogie man behind anything amiss apparently. I think the reason there is Russophobia is because people have been told to think that by a carefully orchestrated media/government conspiracy.

This one is easy to answer, IMHO. It's not a complicated question and it seems to me there is really a very simple explanation.

Q: Why do so many people in the West hate and fear Russia?

A: Because they've been programmed to.

It's as simple as that. The question of why they have been programmed to hate and fear Russia is little more complicated and complex...

To me it looks like work of intel agencies and from bigger part, their own legal and rogue intel operations ,
people always fear domination being taken upon them, silent acquisition of power .

There seem to be elements in their society, big men who want to be feared and respected, perhaps : declared equal to their American counterparts ,
perhaps they want to be talked to and understood like most of the other men in the world and while their soul is ignored they seem to stay in off site watching the game.

Quite like the rest of big people around waiting to be mothered with love so those smiles melt and face masks fall off on faces of future delegations of Peace.

Is it it all they ever swore to,
after WWII and since.

How deep a resentment with anyone who has lied to us even once , with a government that failed to love its own people ,
with hand landing on your innocent face in a slap.


Can’t be called “collective karma” forever 🙏


It’s a choice of each individual on this Planet to express their Soul and Will accordingly in harmony with their own intelligence now in this moment or any other.


Hatred is purely a result of ignorance and mutual widespread illiteracy even unwillingness to learn about the rest of nations and people on this Planet,
lack of interest in the ecosystem by creating more borders and making cooperation difficult and politically dependant , ignorance breeding hatred and fear.


Just realize one thing: there are no two individuals on the Planet that would be completely the same including twins. Everyone is unique.

We all are unique and all our human ancestors have migrated many times all over the world and changed tribal and civilisation markers many times before they claimed the historically latest territory and ethnicity , not quoting their Jewish aunt on grandmothers side :)


Dissolve borders and world shall rest in peace.

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My brother went to work for Hugh's Aircraft after graduating from college in 1979, he stayed there until he retired at 56 and by then it was Directv. When he was getting his security clearance to work on SDI in the Hugh's days I would call him at work and in my best Rusky accent I would say "This is Boris calling, do you have the information for me?" He would get upset and say shut up they could be listening and I would reply OK comrad I'll call you later.

I can tell you that after living in SoCal all his life and doing what he did he is an off the charts Trump hating neolib, just as bad as the neocons, he even accuses me of being a Putin puppet and even reminds me of how I used to call him at work as proof of me being a communist Putin lover, I'm serious he actually believe that. He told me when he retired he was going to become a news junkie and I assume he is an MSNBC addict. I recall talking to him years ago after he retired about Russia and in an arrogant angry way he told me "We kicked Their Asses". I think he still lives in the cold war mindset and on top of that has become an extreme lefty. At one time I feared the evil empire but after doing some reading of history and understanding the nature of man I personally do not think Putin is the bad guy in all of this. I agree with Scott Ritter, people no matter where they happen to live just want to raise a family and enjoy life. I have some dear friends that are Russian and they are wonderful people.

It's kind of boggling to hear this. Nobody speaks of Russians unless they're regurgitating the news and those people are in the minority. People have been hating on the US (and my people and culture, under the guise of "it's the gov't not the people" same old tired line) since internet forums were invented, I think Russia is just now getting a taste of that.

This 'problem' is just like the 'ism' problems in the US - it's rarely a problem but the media/internet shoves it in your face and tries to make it a problem.

Scott Ritter speak for yourself. I know plenty of Marines that will gladly set you straight, suggesting that Marines are trained to hate is completely unfair.

To state the obvious, most often people hate and fear (x, y and z) because they've been told, and perpetually indoctrinated, to hate and fear (x, y and z).

My chick is a rather successful Russian Youtuber, yet
so far she barely got a single random "Slava Ukraine" Comment. The rest is but people empathising, being thankful for her doing her thing despite the context, and talking about how unfair it is to make every Russian person justify or apologise personally. The shared guilt it is.

Although it is true I've personally heard some nasty comments on the street (literally), I believe it is proof of the non compliance principle. "There are no wars if there is no one fighting them."

As much as the situation is not completely biased right now imho, I wonder though how that could completely change in a big turn of events. A small nuke and a sprinkle of perfectly calculated propaganda like they do, and they could have 99% of the people wherever they wanted. Fear makes people manipulable. And it goes for both sides.

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My brother went to work for Hugh's Aircraft after graduating from college in 1979...

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I think it is a mini-game like the revolving doors of politicians with the defense industry.

That probably would have happened to me. If I had been more of a "serious" person, I would have chased "better" jobs like that making weapons and so on, and I can easily believe that someone who does, folds themself into an anti-Russian, anti-Communist, or any other prevailing mood of the place. Again, this falls back into the foundation that our legal systems, businesses, and so on, are made of Satan, and you can find out about that one way or another, like Mr. Ritter. Coddled in California, you probably wander the valley of delusion and never do.


I just saw an ad that a local brewery is throwing a party as a fundraiser for Ukraine. On the face of it, that is neutral to good, presuming in some way it means humanitarian assistance for civilians. One cannot be sure if it means one way or another, anything like "this donut was brought to you by anti-Russian hate"--the only way to find out is to walk in and ask around. A small business doing this is possibly more honest than some big company, for example, pouring money into AIDS research and yet following discrimination and favoritism and so forth anyway. Less duplicity when someone doesn't have various departments or other companies to be doing additional work.

Around here, I am sure there is some echelon of defense industry supporters, who might throw such a party; or, it could be the honest kind. I cannot personally monitor them all. If I am able to find something that is artificially hateful, I can trample it. I cannot affect the flow of professional propaganda, but I can accomplish a lot by confrontation of an individual, or even a group, I am not sure how large. The difficulty is flushing them out of their hidey holes. This is kind of easy with respect to Zionism, but, so far, I have yet to encounter Zio-Nazism leading to Russian prejudice.

The U. S. govt. that seems to back it, is rushing to a whirlwind of difficulty. UK and EU govts. appear to be able to steamroller anyone in their way. But they are the ones who started Catholicism and Zionism. So again I suspect whatever is deeply rooted, is mostly over there, whereas outside of the PNAC mentality, the sentiment is not very American, if it is really even there at all.

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It's kind of boggling to hear this. Nobody speaks of Russians unless they're regurgitating the news and those people are in the minority. People have been hating on the US (and my people and culture, under the guise of "it's the gov't not the people" same old tired line) since internet forums were invented, I think Russia is just now getting a taste of that.

This 'problem' is just like the 'ism' problems in the US - it's rarely a problem but the media/internet shoves it in your face and tries to make it a problem.

Scott Ritter speak for yourself. I know plenty of Marines that will gladly set you straight, suggesting that Marines are trained to hate is completely unfair.

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I couldn't agree more.

I have grown long tired of those in media outlets, telling me how I feel about anything... Or how I SHOULD FEEL, Based upon their opinions, beliefs, or worse.... deliberate negative narratives...

I do hope that all members of all nations, begin to think for themselves, rather than to continue to buy into propaganda... and even more so, begin to recognize propaganda for what it is

To Russians, I do not hate nor fear you... Nor do I want to war with you....

It is all, very much out of control... And people are beginning to get tired of such grandstanding... It's time we have some REAL LEADERS...

Hopefully, there will come a day, when the population at large who can "get along", will wake up and hold their "Leaders" to the same accountability. Why do we have those in positions of power, who refuse to "Get Along"? Would the general population go to war and kill others for the same reasons? Or work harder to demand peaceful interactions?

What we would do without an ''enemy?" Status quo demands it. "If my sons did not want war, there would be none.'' Rothschild quote 1812. (Enemies are invented).

Hatred = a combination of fear and envy

Here is an article which speaks for itself because it is about a guy manufacturing this stuff, and, has a few bits where he is gloating about the success that are thoroughly fiendish. Same scenario but I was not aware of this Malloch Brown. This is vaguely reminiscent of the British fellow whose name I can't remember who came in 1980 to make sure that Regan made a big deal about the Mujahideen ("Russian quagmire" of the time):



Since 2000 Mules is going viral, I thought it prudent to re-publish an article that I had written in December 2020 in order to present the evidence of the British hand which managed the coup that saw a cultish technocratic takeover of the White House. The star performers in this drama will be a Don Quixote/Sancho Panza team of George Soros and Lord Mark Malloch Brown.

The British Hand Behind the Coup

Throughout the four-year drama of Russiagate, the hand of British intelligence has revealed itself continuously.

From the obvious role of Sir Richard Dearlove and his former MI6 underlying Christopher Steele who together played a driving role in shaping the dodgy dossier, to their involvement with Oxford Rhodes Scholar Strobe Talbott in composing, promoting and marketing the fraudulent dossier to targeted members of Congress and media, to British Ambassador Sir Darroch caught “flooding the zone” with British intelligence assets to shape Trump’s perception of the world, to the array of British entrapment operations that targeted Michael Flynn as early as 2014 in London… wherever one looks, the hand of British intelligence seems to be everywhere.

While vast effort is made to downplay the British roots of the deep state by the media which tends to portray this problem from a partisan narrative of “democratic party corruption”, this sleight of hand misses the causal nexus and demands we believe that the tail truly wags the dog.

The uncomfortable truth which many are either too afraid, lazy or corrupt to admit is that since the moment John F Kennedy died on November 22, 1963, both the Democratic and Republican Parties have undergone a slow take-over by this foreign parasite. The thing that has come to be known as the “deep state” was never based on one party or another, and never emanated from anything native to the Constitutional traditions of the US government itself as I outlined in my previous article “Understanding the Trifold Nature of the Deep State”.

While the Republican party of George Bush was in power, this deep state had used its controls of computerized vote counting to rig elections in 2000 and 2004 in its favor as showcased brilliantly in the 2006 documentary Hacking Democracy. Later, when it was time for a controlled opposition to take power in 2008, it did the same thing under a different cast of characters.

While one side of the unipolar world government agenda was driven by a view that the USA should forever be the primary global police force governing a zero sum system of perpetual war, with an unelected elite managing the system from above, the other side believed that the USA should surrender its claims to sovereignty to an international global body with unelected technocrats and financiers at the top managing the zero sum system of perpetual war from above.

Notice the common denominator?

Election Theft as Russiagate 5.0

Now that it has become increasingly clear that mass election fraud has swept across the USA in an effort to accomplish what four years of Russiagate failed to achieve, yet another light has fallen upon the British hand behind Biden which aims to dissolve any nationalist spirit remaining in the embattled republic.

As I outlined in my last report, the largest private computer voting system in the USA which services 30 states and 70 million voters was shown to be at the heart of the current election theft. In that article, it was made clear that Dominion Voting Systems is a Canadian company which dominates the USA’s private computerized voting systems and is closely tied to another larger company called Smartmatic whose operating systems, and even software it absorbed during Obama’s administration.

For those still out of the loop, Smartmatic furnishes voting machines and its software (backdoor codes and all) to governments all around the world and is highly enmeshed with the Clinton Foundation, Soros’ Open Society and Nancy Pelosi’s very own Chief of Staff.

Not only that, but the key figure controlling Smartmatic is none other than Lord Mark Malloch Brown, a former vice chairman of George Soros’ Investment Funds (2007), as well as Soros’ Open Society Institute and World Economic Forum, former Vice President at the World Bank (1995-1999), UN Administrator for Development (1999-2005), UN Deputy Secretary General and UK Minister of State for Africa, Asia and the UN (2007-2009). These are just a few hats he has worn in recent years which we will explore in greater detail.

Lord Malloch Brown: Not Your Typical British Agent

Through his lifelong affiliation with Soros, Lord Malloch Brown (Knight of the Order of St George and St Michael) played the role of color revolutionary godfather and key controller of such “technocrat friendly puppet leaders” as Corazon Aquino as well as her son Benigno Aquino III of the Philippines, Georgia’s George Saakashvili and even the hapless talking ego Barack Obama.

After working through an extended “apprenticeship” under the cover of UN aid worker, and marauding journalist for the London Economist, Malloch Brown found himself working for a Washington consulting firm named Sawyer Miller in 1985. It was at this time Malloch Brown was deployed to become the advisor and speech writer to Philippine opposition leader Corazon (Cory) Aquino under the supervision of then Secretary of State George Shultz. Corazon was a darling of the western establishment but had the nearly impossible task of challenging the popular nationalist President Ferdinand Marcos who had steered his country into economic sovereignty in opposition to international financiers for since his inauguration in 1965.

Applying all of the arts of perception management and marketing, Malloch Brown took control of Aquino’s campaign transforming it into the “People Power Revolution” that was in many ways the first successful color revolution of our modern times. Knowing that votes would likely favor the incumbent Marcos, Malloch Brown wrote that he drafted Aquino’s victory speech before the elections and had her deliver it before votes were even finalized- and which accomplices in the media were all too happy to project publicly fueling the mythology that Corazon had won.

Describing these events years later, Malloch Brown said: “An outstanding accomplishment during the Cory campaign was to produce an exit poll that indicated that she had won. It landed on the front page of the Inquirer and had a profound impact as it planted the idea that Aquino had won over Marcos… Marcos did not really recover after that. It was a very exciting experience to watch.”

Malloch Brown failed to mention that the “polling station results” which produced the false perception that Corazon had won were manipulated by George Shultz’s local agents survey firms Social Weather Station, and Pulse Asia which have never been held accountable for their role in the anti-Marcos coup.

Shock Therapy

Soon after this “accomplishment”, Malloch Brown began working closely with George Soros on a number of projects that radically altered the world during the intense period of transition from a bi-polar to unipolar age.

In 1993, Soros had only recently carried out a speculative attack on the British pound sterling which resulted in $1 billion profit to the Hungarian speculator while providing the UK with a convenient excuse to avoid walking into the Euro trap which it had set for other European targets entering into the “post-nation state epoch”. In 1994, Soros announced a $50 million grant for “democracy building” operations in Macedonia and Bosnia which Malloch Brown was hired to administer as part of the Shatalin Shock therapy agenda.

From 1993-1994, Malloch Brown was part of the Soros Advisory Committee on Bosnia where advanced the Balkanization projects of the 1990s. In 1998, Malloch Brown also co-founded Soros’s International Criminal Court (ICC) after the duo had created the International Crisis Group (ICG) in 1994. These institutions served to 1) shape “international perception” of the causes and solutions to “crises”, real or fabricated and 2) advocate solutions that removed sovereignty in military and judicial affairs from sovereign nation states where they had been enshrined in the UN Charter, Nuremburg laws and UN Declaration of Human Rights, to supranational unelected organizations under the control of “experts”.

As Vice President of the World Bank from 1995-1999 he took credit for transforming its image to a more democratic organization, and from 1999-2005 led in the creation of the Millennium Development Goals which increasingly tied UN funding to George Soros’ Open Society operations internationally (during his time in New York, Malloch Brown lived on an estate owned by Soros).

R2P and More Color Revolution

During this period, Malloch Brown was among the earliest advocates of Responsibility to Protect (R2P) and did more than anyone else to incorporate the doctrine into United Nations “post-Westphalian” governance outlook in 2005 as UN Deputy Secretary General (2005-2006).

Demonstrating his imperial outlook on March 2011, the self-proclaimed “pacifist” grew impatient of nations who were reticent to blow up Libya and wrote in the Financial Times: “declare victory and get on with ousting Gadhafi”.

As co-chair of the International Crisis Group (which was born of seed money from Soros and on whose board of trustees sit Larry Summers, Joe Biden’s advisor Jake Sullivan and both George and Alexander Soros) Malloch Brown supported the narco-terrorist linked Kosovo Liberation Army which was also propped up by both the CIA and NATO during the Bosnia crisis coordinating closely with his Rhodes Scholar colleague Strobe Talbott who referred to Soros in 1995 as “a national resource—indeed, a national treasure.”

Describing Talbott, Malloch Brown recently wrote: “Strobe Talbott, is a very old friend of mine and in some ways a similar sort of practitioner and theoretician of globalisation… As such he really understood the hidden back-story of modern politics, which always gets shoved out of view by the more familiar story of nation-states.”

After bankrolling Georgia’s Rose Revolution in 2003 that put Soros’ Saakashvili in power, the Georgian state was rendered ungovernable due to a mix of vast incompetence and corruption. Here, Soros and Malloch Brown again came to the rescue by organizing a January 2004 event in New York that garnered $1.5 million for Georgian government reform programs (75% from Soros’ Open Society and 25% from the UN Development Program headed by Brown). The UNDP report justified the expense that was to pay Saakashvili’s salary as well as top government officials, and security forces when it said: “Georgia lacked the skilled professionals needed to design and execute sweeping reforms”.

The fact that these actions led to the murder of 1,600 in South Ossetia (mostly Russians) in 2008 and nearly triggered WWIII should not be forgotten, nor should Saakashvili’s nefarious role as Governor of Odessa (2015-16) where the convicted felon protected neo Nazis of the Azov Battalion. Similarly, the strange rise in popularity of Saakashvili underway in Georgia should make anyone with half a brain more than a little concerned.

Handler of Team Obama

On February 24, 2008, Samantha Power, husband to Harvard behaviorist Cass Sunstein and soon-to-be Ambassador to the UN under Obama gave an interview to the London Times describing the Malloch Brown-Obama connection in glaring detail. In this interview, Power said: “The principal conduit between Britain and the Candidate [Obama] has been Lord Malloch Brown, the Junior Foreign Minister, whom Obama came to admire when he [Malloch Brown] was Deputy Secretary General of the United Nations, Obama was really taken with him. It’s a relationship that has persisted and they have talked a number of times since.”

Indeed, Obama’s political career, like Saakashvili’s and Aquino’s, was always a creation of higher powers with Soros even providing the first $60,000 for Obama’s 2004 Senate run and then organizing the earliest fundraising parties for Obama’s Presidential run in 2007.

Samantha Power herself attributed her career to Soros and Lord Brown saying in 2004: “My book and my research was utterly unsustainable on the free market. If I hadn’t been able to get a grant from George Soros and the Open Society Institute, there is no way I could have done the kind of investigative reporting I needed to do”.

The Case of Cass Sunstein

While Power spent her time in the UN fighting viciously to push a pre-emptive P2P humanitarian regime change on Libya and later Syria, her husband Cass Sunstein worked as an advisor to Obama from 2009-2012 and authored a paper addressing the dangerous rise of “conspiracy theories” which threaten his idea of good government. Sunstein wrote “the existence of both domestic and foreign conspiracy theories, we suggest, is no trivial matter, posing real risks” and recommended “a series of possible responses” which include cognitive infiltration of conspiracy groups by government agents.

Additionally five options are developed by Sunstein:

“(1) Government might ban conspiracy theorizing. (2) Government might impose some kind of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories. (3) Government might itself engage in counter speech, marshaling arguments to discredit conspiracy theories. (4) Government might formally hire credible private parties to engage in counter speech. (5) Government might engage in informal communication with such parties, encouraging them to help”

On August 24, 2020 Sunstein was tapped to chair the World Health Organization’s Technical Advisory Group mandated with modifying global behaviour in compliance with the new norms of the pandemic world order. The WHO chief stated “In the face of the COVID-19 pandemic, countries are using a range of tools to influence behavior: Information campaigns are one tool, but so are laws, regulations, guidelines and even fines…That’s why behavioral science is so important.”

Lord Brown in the Obama Era

In 2007, Malloch Brown left the UN to head up Soros’ Quantum Hedge Fund- a lucrative post which he soon left to join the British Foreign Office as Minister of State for Africa, Asia and the UN from 2007-2009.

After leaving his position in the UK government in 2009, Lord Malloch Brown went on to consult oil companies and steer his International Crisis Group. By this time, the ICG had a near monopoly on drafting anonymously published reports of international crisis hotspots priding itself on maintaining armies of “on the ground” specialists who could profile all disputing parties and release their assessments on the international market. These reports have been used by governments, NGOs, corporations, and international bodies like the UN and have played a major role in shaping global policy and perceptions of the causes and remedies to conflict.

Utilizing his expertise in vote fraud and perception management, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that Malloch Brown soon found himself at the helm of SGO Corporation Ltd in 2014 which serves as a holding company whose main asset is Smartmatic voting technologies. Smartmatic sells itself as having “handled more than 3.7 billion votes over the past 14 years in election projects on five continents” and while it denies having activities directly on US soil, a screenshot from the Way Back Machine demonstrates a very different story.

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Since 2010 Smartmatic has been found to have been at the heart of election fraud in Mexico, Venezuela, the USA, and the Philippines where the first Presidential election using this system resulted in the victory of Corazon Aquino’s son Benigno Aquino. After mountains of evidence have come to light of Smartmatic’s role in systemic fraud, the IBON Foundation called out Lord Brown as “a foreigner who has made a career out of influencing elections”.

It is an irony of history that not only did Lord Malloch Brown install a second generation cardboard cut tout into power in the Philippines, but deployed his voting system to undermine the popular Ferdinand Marco Jr in favor of the Liberal Party’s Len Robredo during the 2016 elections. Luckily in the same year that Trump was to beat the system via his landslide popular victory in the USA, a similar victory occurred in opposition to all odds when nationalist President Duterte took office and later demanded the Philippines rid itself of Smartmatic tech.

Lord Malloch Brown’s Ultimate Obsession

Speaking to the World Government Summit of June 2020 alongside Cass Sunstein and an array of other Davos-creatures, Lord Malloch Brown expressed his disdain for the rise of the multipolar alliance led by Russia, China and Trump’s USA which has obviously endangered his life’s work. Malloch Brown hypocritically attacks China for being a regime which has no respect for individual rights and only a concern for “the many”, and then calls out the rise of authoritarian governments “Russia, China, India, Turkey, Hungary and the USA” which he believes must be stopped at all costs saying:

“In the wider world a more authoritarian form of government is the new majority. It is not China alone. This “new majority” embraces leaders who come to power by the ballot box and those who didn’t, but who all share a preference for a nationalist foreign policy, the weakening of domestic institutions and the rule of law”

Malloch Brown obviously felt very comfortable with his audience and assumed no one would think about the obvious hypocrisy of his admitting that these “new majority” nationalists often come to power “by the ballot box” and thus emblemize democratic principles, while his social engineering defense of individual liberties and freedom of choice always occurs outside of the democratic volition of the plebs who are obviously considered to dumb to know what is good for them and also at the expense of the many who must be sacrificed in wars, regime change and anarchy “for the greater good”.

These hypocrisies were made even more obvious in a more recent October 26, 2020 keynote speech on the topic of the UN at 75: Slow Death or New Direction? In this speech, Lord Brown calls for the creation of reformed United Nation to avoid its obsolescence by getting rid of the Security Council which has prevented necessary humanitarian actions due to the insufferable veto held by Russia and China. When asked how the veto may be abolished, Lord Brown admits that nations will never acquiesce and so “the only way you’re going to get these entrenched members to embark on this is to make them largely irrelevant… we have to work around the security council.”

How would anyone be expected to “work around the Security Council” you may ask?

Here Lord Brown answers by calling for the empowerment of “civil society clusters” and “civil society mosaic” that can harness energy coalition of non-state actors. Brown states: “Building variegated coalitions of state and non-state actors willing to be first movers on different parts of this agenda is not a new path to action in the UN. Now it needs to be turbo charged. The world won’t wait for the most plodding and resistant nations to sigh up to action”.

Calling the UN Human Rights Council “not fit for purpose” due to its “steady capture” by Russia, China and Cuba who won seats on the body this year, Lord Brown lamented the greatest threat to his vision for a post-national world: “the failures we all individually made pale compared to just the fact that nation states have ultimately- particularly the bigger and more powerful ones- resisted conceding power and sovereignty and decision making to this multilateral body.”

This is the British hand behind the current phase of Russiagate 5.0 which has come closer to its objectives of running an American coup than at any other moment during the past four years. This is the vision of a dystopic post-nation state world order managed by mis-anthropic technocrats who wish to lord over a technetronic feudal dark age in the 21st century and beyond.

In a future segment we will look more closely at the figure of the late Maurice Strong and the self-induced destruction of western civilization over the past 50 years, and also the battle to resist a bankers’ coup in Britain over 300 years ago which holds peculiar lessons for our current age.

Matthew Ehret is the Editor-in-Chief of the Canadian Patriot Review , and Senior Fellow at the American University in Moscow. He is author of the ‘Untold History of Canada’ book series and Clash of the Two Americas trilogy. In 2019 he co-founded the Montreal-based Rising Tide Foundation .



Couple of responses:

There is still the avoidance of the “dynamic” driving all this crap that has our species on the threshold of a nuclear extinction event; the collapse of the British System itself. The only organized effort to expose this dynamic was from Lyndon LaRouche and his organization and that continues today.


This is actually that new British elite that overthrew their past elite. They want to bring a technocratic dictatorship. Rulers like Erdogan are not despised by the crimes they are doing but because they don’t bow down to them.

We don't have a forum section titled Racism, so Identity Politics will have to do.

A detailed intro to Russophobia may not be needed. It's everywhere around. World-class novelists, composers and artists who lived generations ago — not to mention cats, trees, and sportspeople — have all been banned through a propagandized divisive attitude that appears to be

• Irrational
• Hateful
• Racist.

(Yes, racist. Racism isn't just about skin color.)

As Daria Dugina once said, many Americans say they hate Russia. But some of them can't find Russia on a map.

Where does all this Russophobia come from? Almost all Russians, with a excellent knowledge of history (and quite a few academic American and European historians too), would argue with detailed evidence that in WWII Hitler's Germany was primarily defeated by Russia, more so than by any other ally.

And now, monuments to those soldiers are being toppled. This isn't the principal topic of this thread, but I have to share some photos. They seem to speak volumes, and loudly too. :flower:

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This topic came up yesterday with the EU planning to ban Russian travelers.

A nice Russian guy I know on Twitter replied, adding this:
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So the Russia phobia predates modern history, the Cold War and several factors have contributed to it. The Great Schism between the Eastern Church and Rome had something to do with it but there's definitely an ethnic factor. Apparently THAT kind of prejudice is cool. 😢🤬

The enemy of the people of the world have us all fighting amongst ourselves. I wish everyone could see through the smoke and mirrors.

I might be wrong, but it seems to me that a lot of the waves through the populations are resulting in us taking down any monument that was put there to honour those who fought back and made a difference. (regardless which side of the battle)

Read about Crimea war and see western powers backing Istanbul. Historically al about all geo politics with ignorance, inflammation, fear and religion mixed in and meddling of the West. It's still the same today.

One thing i would like to point out

From my point of view, i have seen this since some time ago

It is not really that the phobia is 100% turned towards Russia, at least not in a conscious way, it is that most of the people 'infected' tend to think of the USSR as Russia, and they ignore the fact that the USSR was made of several countries, just like the EU is right now

So some of the stuff i see, like demolition of monuments to the Soviets who fought and defeated Germany, are meant to be 'Anti-Russia' but at the very core is 'Anti-Soviet' or 'Anti-USSR'. Because if you think about it, by demolishing a monument made for the Soviet heroes who defeated fascism, they are actually trying to erase the defeat of fascism itself, not Russian history. Ukrainians and other non-Russian people also fought fascism and won, those monuments represent them too, and their history and existence is also being erased, not just the Russian heroes of WW2, but all heroes of WW2, regardless of country or ethnicity

I see a general dislike against anything that reminds of how fascism was defeated, and then Russia used as an excuse to demolish those monuments, or piggy backing on the current hate against Russia to deliberately remove from history the fact that fascism lost WW2. An example of that is on some countries where the people refuse to allow the demolishing of the monuments, or what happened here

"Estonia Removes WWII Monuments to Prevent Russian Meddling"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...suse-by-russia

or this

"Latvia tears down a controversial Soviet-era monument in its capital."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/w...-monument.html

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the monument was built in 1985 in Latvia’s capital, Riga, as a memorial to Soviet soldiers killed in World War II. Latvia was occupied by Nazi Germany in 1941, inaugurating the mass killing of Jews, Roma and those the Nazis deemed politically objectionable. Soviet forces ousted the Nazis in 1944, and Latvia remained under Soviet rule until regaining its independence in 1991 as the Soviet Union dissolved.

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Soviet soldiers, not Russian soldiers, that monument represented way more than Russian soldiers, it represented the win against fascism, so by demolishing with the excuse of "Russia bad" they are actually erasing history and honors to the multiple nation soldiers that fought and died there

It's a fight to erase the lose of fascism, to erase the win of the Soviets against Germany and the axis. The government of those nations currently hysterically destroying monuments does not represent the people, they seem to be part of a movement of resentful closet-fascists hoping for some kind of renaissance of their past, and they see and blame the USSR (Equaling Russia) for their lose in WW2 in some cases, and use the current war and russia hate as an excuse in other cases

They don't, could not care less about Ukraine, they just piggy back on that to show their true colors and act on their repressed feelings and hopes

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One thing i would like to point out

From my point of view, i have seen this since some time ago

It is not really that the phobia is 100% turned towards Russia, at least not in a conscious way, it is that most of the people 'infected' tend to think of the USSR as Russia, and they ignore the fact that the USSR was made of several countries, just like the EU is right now

So some of the stuff i see, like demolition of monuments to the Soviets who fought and defeated Germany, are meant to be 'Anti-Russia' but at the very core is 'Anti-Soviet' or 'Anti-USSR'. Because if you think about it, by demolishing a monument made for the Soviet heroes who defeated fascism, they are actually trying to erase the defeat of fascism itself, not Russian history. Ukrainians and other non-Russian people also fought fascism and won, those monuments represent them too, and their history and existence is also being erased, not just the Russian heroes of WW2, but all heroes of WW2, regardless of country or ethnicity

I see a general dislike against anything that reminds of how fascism was defeated, and then Russia used as an excuse to demolish those monuments, or piggy backing on the current hate against Russia to deliberately remove from history the fact that fascism lost WW2. An example of that is on some countries where the people refuse to allow the demolishing of the monuments, or what happened here

"Estonia Removes WWII Monuments to Prevent Russian Meddling"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...suse-by-russia

or this

"Latvia tears down a controversial Soviet-era monument in its capital."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/w...-monument.html

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the monument was built in 1985 in Latvia’s capital, Riga, as a memorial to Soviet soldiers killed in World War II. Latvia was occupied by Nazi Germany in 1941, inaugurating the mass killing of Jews, Roma and those the Nazis deemed politically objectionable. Soviet forces ousted the Nazis in 1944, and Latvia remained under Soviet rule until regaining its independence in 1991 as the Soviet Union dissolved.

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Soviet soldiers, not Russian soldiers, that monument represented way more than Russian soldiers, it represented the win against fascism, so by demolishing with the excuse of "Russia bad" they are actually erasing history and honors to the multiple nation soldiers that fought and died there

It's a fight to erase the lose of fascism, to erase the win of the Soviets against Germany and the axis. The government of those nations currently hysterically destroying monuments does not represent the people, they seem to be part of a movement of resentful closet-fascists hoping for some kind of renaissance of their past, and they see and blame the USSR (Equaling Russia) for their lose in WW2 in some cases, and use the current war and russia hate as an excuse in other cases

They don't, could not care less about Ukraine, they just piggy back on that to show their true colors and act on their repressed feelings and hopes

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Do you think there's more to this than some kind of phobia of anti-fascism and some weird compulsion to erase history?

I've heard several very bright commentators asked this question recently, and all of them have been honest enough to confess they can't fully understand it. Some possible factors seem to be

• Language (it's easier for most Europeans to read French, Spanish, Italian or English, whatever their nationality)
• Few Americans/Europeans have Russian friends
• Travel (for most Europeans and Americans, it's not been all that easy to visit Russia)
• Hollywood (Russia has often been presented as the 'bad guy')
• Generational memories of the Cold War (Ronald Reagan and "The Evil Empire"), maybe passed on through families
• And of course, media propaganda (as in 1984, there always has to be an enemy, whether it's a real one or not)
• ..... more ??

And I'll repost this (first shared here), which I think is important and highly recommended. It's all about Scott Ritter's experience when he was first stationed in Russia — where, despite his Marine Corps indoctrination, he quickly grew to realize that all the Russians he met and worked with were both very human and very very likeable.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EFpKmbjhuk0

The interview starts with a lengthy section in which Scott Ritter presents a summary of his career. At one point, he breezes past a quick moment when he describes how he was stationed as a weapons inspector in Russia for a two year period, which he said was "eye-opening". Then he quickly moved on, ending up talking about the history of the problems in Ukraine and the current military situation there. It was quite a monologue.

At 25:05, Scott Ritter comes to a halt, and after joking with him that he's already answered all his questions, Gerald Celente — who is clearly a better interviewer than I'd thought — is inspired enough to ask him in what way his two years in Russia as a weapons inspector was "eye-opening".

Wow. Folks, YOU MUST LISTEN TO THIS PART if you possibly can.

His answer is about 10 mins long and worth every gold-plated second. It's one of the strongest pro-human, anti-war polemics I've ever heard, straight from the heart. It's emotional, but at the same time totally grounded, coming from someone whose attitudes were forged by hard-ass Marine Corps training.

It totally stopped me in my tracks and compelled me to make this post. I can't possibly recommend those 10 minutes too highly.

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One thing i would like to point out

From my point of view, i have seen this since some time ago

It is not really that the phobia is 100% turned towards Russia, at least not in a conscious way, it is that most of the people 'infected' tend to think of the USSR as Russia, and they ignore the fact that the USSR was made of several countries, just like the EU is right now

So some of the stuff i see, like demolition of monuments to the Soviets who fought and defeated Germany, are meant to be 'Anti-Russia' but at the very core is 'Anti-Soviet' or 'Anti-USSR'. Because if you think about it, by demolishing a monument made for the Soviet heroes who defeated fascism, they are actually trying to erase the defeat of fascism itself, not Russian history. Ukrainians and other non-Russian people also fought fascism and won, those monuments represent them too, and their history and existence is also being erased, not just the Russian heroes of WW2, but all heroes of WW2, regardless of country or ethnicity

I see a general dislike against anything that reminds of how fascism was defeated, and then Russia used as an excuse to demolish those monuments, or piggy backing on the current hate against Russia to deliberately remove from history the fact that fascism lost WW2. An example of that is on some countries where the people refuse to allow the demolishing of the monuments, or what happened here

"Estonia Removes WWII Monuments to Prevent Russian Meddling"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...suse-by-russia

or this

"Latvia tears down a controversial Soviet-era monument in its capital."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/w...-monument.html

Quote:

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the monument was built in 1985 in Latvia’s capital, Riga, as a memorial to Soviet soldiers killed in World War II. Latvia was occupied by Nazi Germany in 1941, inaugurating the mass killing of Jews, Roma and those the Nazis deemed politically objectionable. Soviet forces ousted the Nazis in 1944, and Latvia remained under Soviet rule until regaining its independence in 1991 as the Soviet Union dissolved.

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Soviet soldiers, not Russian soldiers, that monument represented way more than Russian soldiers, it represented the win against fascism, so by demolishing with the excuse of "Russia bad" they are actually erasing history and honors to the multiple nation soldiers that fought and died there

It's a fight to erase the lose of fascism, to erase the win of the Soviets against Germany and the axis. The government of those nations currently hysterically destroying monuments does not represent the people, they seem to be part of a movement of resentful closet-fascists hoping for some kind of renaissance of their past, and they see and blame the USSR (Equaling Russia) for their lose in WW2 in some cases, and use the current war and russia hate as an excuse in other cases

They don't, could not care less about Ukraine, they just piggy back on that to show their true colors and act on their repressed feelings and hopes

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Do you think there's more to this than some kind of phobia of anti-fascism and some weird compulsion to erase history?

I've heard several very bright commentators asked this question recently, and all of them have been honest enough to confess they can't fully understand it. Some possible factors seem to be

• Language (it's easier for most Europeans to read French, Spanish, Italian or English, whatever their nationality)
• Few Americans/Europeans have Russian friends
• Travel (for most Europeans and Americans, it's not been all that easy to visit Russia)
• Hollywood (Russia has often been presented as the 'bad guy')
• Generational memories of the Cold War (Ronald Reagan and "The Evil Empire"), maybe passed on through families
• And of course, media propaganda (as in 1984, there always has to be an enemy, whether it's a real one or not)
• ..... more ??

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That's a hard one to answer :P

At least without sounding all conspiracy crazy and paranoiac

But i do have something to say, and it may or may not be right, i just know some people do tend to think this is a very real thing. In some of the less known political parties, and even in United Russia party at some levels, there is a very well accepted theory that the fascists never left, they just simply adapted and moved on with the times, while keeping their core values alive, under a complete framework of 'reality' adapted to the western values

In other words, they reformatted their ideology to be compatible with the western one, and eventually merged both into whatever we see today

So for these people (the other political parties in Russia, and the several in United Russia working hard in the background) you can equal modern western political movements and culture to a modern version of fascism

This is always proven right in their eyes by just looking at how media works in the US or the UK, for example. And how the western masses are so brainwashed they can't think properly, there's no critical thinking anymore, they can't identify anything but a childish good vs bad situation in all they see (or us vs them, with me or with them conditional environment)

People are conditioned and 'cancelled' and they lose it all if they even dare to question, and most people are in full compliance by now, they don't even think properly anymore. They will snitch on their neighbor because 'it's the right thing to do', they will happily throw stones (cancel) anyone if they see other people doing it, and they will celebrate if that person loses it all due to some random post on social media. This is no different than how it used to be on fascist countries. And the book burning has been reinstanted as well, in schools and libraries and online stores books are removed because they talk about things the government chose were not good enough for the people, and then you see teachers banning books on schools too, that's just one step behind from actually burning those books

When Russian politicians see this, they assume it is true that the west has been engulfed by fascism over decades and decades, and it was all planned this way, so now, repression, violence, ignorance, compliance or else, etc etc, equals "freedom and democracy" and anyone who thinks otherwise is 'malign' and 'communist' and everything else that goes with it

Also i can see that in Ukraine and even on the US, there is a growing trend to say that Russians are Nazi, and that anything that is Russian friendly, by association is Nazi friendly

Everything is backwards but since people have become so ignorant they can't know the difference anymore, this is the view that runs in underground political currents in Russia

We are not fighting against Ukraine, we are fighting against the same fascist machine from WW2, but under a new name and face (westernized), that's the general feeling

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Do you think there's more to this than some kind of phobia of anti-fascism and some weird compulsion to erase history?

I've heard several very bright commentators asked this question recently, and all of them have been honest enough to confess they can't fully understand it. Some possible factors seem to be

• Language (it's easier for most Europeans to read French, Spanish, Italian or English, whatever their nationality)
• Few Americans/Europeans have Russian friends
• Travel (for most Europeans and Americans, it's not been all that easy to visit Russia)
• Hollywood (Russia has often been presented as the 'bad guy')
• Generational memories of the Cold War (Ronald Reagan and "The Evil Empire"), maybe passed on through families
• And of course, media propaganda (as in 1984, there always has to be an enemy, whether it's a real one or not)
• ..... more ??

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That's a hard one to answer :P

At least without sounding all conspiracy crazy and paranoiac

But i do have something to say, and it may or may not be right, i just know some people do tend to think this is a very real thing. In some of the less known political parties, and even in United Russia party at some levels, there is a very well accepted theory that the fascists never left, they just simply adapted and moved on with the times, while keeping their core values alive, under a complete framework of 'reality' adapted to the western values

In other words, they reformatted their ideology to be compatible with the western one, and eventually merged both into whatever we see today

So for these people (the other political parties in Russia, and the several in United Russia working hard in the background) you can equal modern western political movements and culture to a modern version of fascism

This is always proven right in their eyes by just looking at how media works in the US or the UK, for example. And how the western masses are so brainwashed they can't think properly, there's no critical thinking anymore, they can't identify anything but a childish good vs bad situation in all they see (or us vs them, with me or with them conditional environment)

People are conditioned and 'cancelled' and they lose it all if they even dare to question, and most people are in full compliance by now, they don't even think properly anymore.

When Russian politicians see this, they assume it is true that the west has been engulfed by fascism over decades and decades, and it was all planned this way, so now, repression, violence, ignorance, compliance or else, etc etc, equals "freedom and democracy" and anyone who thinks otherwise is 'malign' and 'communist' and everything else that goes with it

Also i can see that in Ukraine and even on the US, there is a growing trend to say that Russians are Nazi, and that anything that is Russian friendly, by association is Nazi friendly

Everything is backwards but since people have become so ignorant they can't know the difference anymore, this is the view that runs in underground political currents in Russia

We are not fighting against Ukraine, we are fighting against the same fascist machine from WW2, but under a new name and face (westernized), that's the general feeling

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Wow, what a great reply. I have to say, that really really rings true, and fits with a great deal that I feel I know and understand. But I'd never joined the dots that way before. And kudos: I've never seen that concept posted or suggested anywhere else at all.

:thumbsup: :heart2:

From my generation's perspective... I was enjoying the 1970s until CND (Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament) started marching again and our young impressionable minds were convinced that we were all going to die a horrible death in a nuclear war.

I remember the drama Threads that aired on BBC; apparently it was aired in 1984, I thought it was earlier. It was truly shocking with the way it depicted the after-effects of nuclear war and I've found an article here about how it messed up a generation (mine, probably).

So, that still probably lingers in the minds of many; that Russia was going to lead us to a horrible death. Of course, that never happened and subsequent history has shown that the Western powers have wreaked more havoc in various parts of the world for political and economic reasons, but mainly far-off places that many couldn't pinpoint on a map or even care about.

That's just a suggestion, that Russophobia may originate in the Cold War narrative that "Russia will kill us all in a nuclear war".

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From my generation's perspective... I was enjoying the 1970s until CND (Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament) started marching again and our young impressionable minds were convinced that we were all going to die a horrible death in a nuclear war.

I remember the drama Threads that aired on BBC; apparently it was aired in 1984, I thought it was earlier. It was truly shocking with the way it depicted the after-effects of nuclear war and I've found an article here about how it messed up a generation (mine, probably).

So, that still probably lingers in the minds of many; that Russia was going to lead us to a horrible death. Of course, that never happened and subsequent history has shown that the Western powers have wreaked more havoc in various parts of the world for political and economic reasons, but mainly far-off places that many couldn't pinpoint on a map or even care about.

That's just a suggestion, that Russophobia may originate in the Cold War narrative that "Russia will kill us all in a nuclear war".

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Threads is in the Avalon Library. :thumbsup:

But it absolutely needs a [serious!] health warning. It was so extraordinarily well done that one might hardly be able to sleep after watching it. Not an exaggeration.

And it might also be a good idea to watch it with someone, if that's possible, and not alone. That's not an exaggeration either. It may be one of the most vivid and impactful docudramas ever made, to this day.

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https://avalonlibrary.net/THREADS.mp4

Bill many thanks. I listened entire to the mark and forward. I also have Scott Ritter on my telegram feed. I have always liked him and felt he was trying to mitigate our Iraq war involvement. I actually remember his reports at the time
Scott is a man of common sense measure and compassion for others. The kind of guy thats doesn't fit into the war system of these power hungry war mongers.

Not that is matters or proves anything, but I play Ice hockey with many Russians for many years. They have only been great people, funny and peaceful as I know them.

Its a shame how many Americans are on a pre set, to hate and blame Russia first! before they even hear the details the facts in a verifiably balanced manner. And as you know, that will never happen.
I take no sides, but we need to stop seeing these people as the enemy first.
Thanks

I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE! I cannot seem to spell and see straight what I am writing. So many incorrect words and phrases I am putting in. Im going to really try to clean this up.
Anyone else going thru this?

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From my generation's perspective... I was enjoying the 1970s until CND (Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament) started marching again and our young impressionable minds were convinced that we were all going to die a horrible death in a nuclear war.

I remember the drama Threads that aired on BBC; apparently it was aired in 1984, I thought it was earlier. It was truly shocking with the way it depicted the after-effects of nuclear war and I've found an article here about how it messed up a generation (mine, probably).

So, that still probably lingers in the minds of many; that Russia was going to lead us to a horrible death. Of course, that never happened and subsequent history has shown that the Western powers have wreaked more havoc in various parts of the world for political and economic reasons, but mainly far-off places that many couldn't pinpoint on a map or even care about.

That's just a suggestion, that Russophobia may originate in the Cold War narrative that "Russia will kill us all in a nuclear war".

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So true about that movie Threads, I had nightmares for days and couldn’t sleep well for weeks, it was so real at the time of watching it. I was just remembering it the other day and chiding myself for being so scared then.
But my memory is more of the Two Superpowers that they would end up killing us all if they decided to start a nuke war. Russia to me represented USSR growing up and how freedom would be taken away under Soviet rule, I remember being told it was the Iron curtain and the KGB would find you anywhere. I remember that they had shortages of modern things unlike the west and I had friends that would ship clothes to their families and jeans especially famous brand ones.

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Wow. Folks, YOU MUST LISTEN TO THIS PART if you possibly can.

His answer is about 10 mins long and worth every gold-plated second. It's one of the strongest pro-human, anti-war polemics I've ever heard, straight from the heart. It's emotional, but at the same time totally grounded, coming from someone whose attitudes were forged by hard-ass Marine Corps training.

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Yes Bill. Well. I remember this passage. And although I was moved too when I heard it there was a lingering aftertaste of metal which made it less palatable from hindsight.

Ritter describes both the "they are human beings" mantra with pathos and empathy and the "you have to harden yourself" prerequisite for being a soldier.

Strange that it took him so long. He might have thought up the "they are human beings too" thing before he joined the military. His reference to "later on", when he was in the war against Iraq, shows that the "they are human beings too" consideration had in between been gobbled up again by the "hardening" necessity. He might have stopped being a military man and become a grocer for instance. Probably the salary would have been less, admittedly.

It may indeed be costly to try and start the softening track right from the start. Or just the thinking track piercing the propaganda. Or the listening to the voice of conscience track so that one does not give in to fantasies of power and "technology" when one infatuates oneself with the military.

Notice: I am not a pacifist. I believe in compulsory conscription in purely defensive forces (who are most of the time deployed to fight the consequences of natural catastrophes). And outside of the defensive forces I would not want to buy expensive offensive gear; I would try and get a jiujitsu belt though.

The simultaneity of empathic remembrance of what makes a tough soldier and what makes a sensitive caring person comes across as psychotic – the bipolar cut-and-paste personality fortunately (or rather unfortunately) rendered acceptable by the "family" thing (wife and kids and family and the dog and the parrot and the carpool).

Maybe it would be a good thing then when in the future, in the Divided States of the World, whole families would go to war (with the "hardening" and the "they are humans too" protocols injected).

The parrot parroting the sounds of rocket launchers. Of a knife plunged into flesh.

For the Nato State citizens (the Belgians!) among us: ever thought of learning Russian?
If so, ever started?
If started, ever achieved?

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Do you think there's more to this than some kind of phobia of anti-fascism and some weird compulsion to erase history?

I've heard several very bright commentators asked this question recently, and all of them have been honest enough to confess they can't fully understand it. Some possible factors seem to be

• Language (it's easier for most Europeans to read French, Spanish, Italian or English, whatever their nationality)
• Few Americans/Europeans have Russian friends
• Travel (for most Europeans and Americans, it's not been all that easy to visit Russia)
• Hollywood (Russia has often been presented as the 'bad guy')
• Generational memories of the Cold War (Ronald Reagan and "The Evil Empire"), maybe passed on through families
• And of course, media propaganda (as in 1984, there always has to be an enemy, whether it's a real one or not)
• ..... more ??

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That's a hard one to answer :P

At least without sounding all conspiracy crazy and paranoiac

But i do have something to say, and it may or may not be right, i just know some people do tend to think this is a very real thing. In some of the less known political parties, and even in United Russia party at some levels, there is a very well accepted theory that the fascists never left, they just simply adapted and moved on with the times, while keeping their core values alive, under a complete framework of 'reality' adapted to the western values

In other words, they reformatted their ideology to be compatible with the western one, and eventually merged both into whatever we see today

So for these people (the other political parties in Russia, and the several in United Russia working hard in the background) you can equal modern western political movements and culture to a modern version of fascism

This is always proven right in their eyes by just looking at how media works in the US or the UK, for example. And how the western masses are so brainwashed they can't think properly, there's no critical thinking anymore, they can't identify anything but a childish good vs bad situation in all they see (or us vs them, with me or with them conditional environment)

People are conditioned and 'cancelled' and they lose it all if they even dare to question, and most people are in full compliance by now, they don't even think properly anymore.

When Russian politicians see this, they assume it is true that the west has been engulfed by fascism over decades and decades, and it was all planned this way, so now, repression, violence, ignorance, compliance or else, etc etc, equals "freedom and democracy" and anyone who thinks otherwise is 'malign' and 'communist' and everything else that goes with it

Also i can see that in Ukraine and even on the US, there is a growing trend to say that Russians are Nazi, and that anything that is Russian friendly, by association is Nazi friendly

Everything is backwards but since people have become so ignorant they can't know the difference anymore, this is the view that runs in underground political currents in Russia

We are not fighting against Ukraine, we are fighting against the same fascist machine from WW2, but under a new name and face (westernized), that's the general feeling

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Wow, what a great reply. I have to say, that really really rings true, and fits with a great deal that I feel I know and understand. But I'd never joined the dots that way before. And kudos: I've never seen that concept posted or suggested anywhere else at all.

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Bill, really? What about Project Paperclip, the Rat Lines, ...?

What Mashika very rightly and cogently said about Russia applies equally to the USA and many other countries. The NAZIs did not lose and disappear after WWII. Sadly, and tragically, they adapted and are functioning here and everywhere today.

would like to explore the bias against Russia in relation to Tartaria

I'm a simple guy with simple views.

To me, from my perspective Russia is anti-globalism as it appears the globalist controlled countries and the globalist controlled UN are about as anti Russia as they are anti- Donald Trump.
Globalism is the enemy of the people.
Globalism is the monster behind the depopulation agenda and the jab.
Globalism is the mother of lies and propaganda.

This is what our newspapers, talk shows, televised news have turned into a outlet for globalized propaganda.
Cancel culture doesn't care about any of the so called tenets it regards so highly it simply cares about taking away the ability to sway public opinion from those who will not obey globalist platforms, agendas and talking points.

So now Hollywood is nothing but propaganda.
Movies, music, streaming shows and most critics are now propaganda mouth pieces.
Even sports are now propagandized.

I say all this because although our members acknowledge this on a shallow level like it's a new thing. I don't think they realize or have come to terms with how prevalent and long this has been a thing.

This is why our friends, associates and loved ones can't hear anything we have to say on these matters.
Propaganda is programming and it is very effective.

The USA has been bombing and destabilizing countries for decades. At the very least one can easily say the USA has no moral high ground to dictate to the world the narrative that is currently pushed via the propaganda machine.

There is in everyone's perspective some validity to how the mind has formed an overview of situations. Nobody has all the exact data or information automatically installed. I find it helpful sometimes to take away borders and languages and just look at the energetics or dynamics throughout history that has been used to push and animate or bring forth the actions taken. Whether it be a war or a personal problem or even interplanetary, what is at play here, what are the motivations behind the manipulations? It seems our best human qualities as well as our out of balance traits have been studied and used as levers to drive us in directions we may not be aware of, as we can't always see the "bigger view" picture.



It seems over and over the same tactics are used, now with new technology or new terms for causing separation, imbalance, scarcity and destruction so we have to start over again, keeping the majority poor and uneducated of the things that matter the most. Keep everyone blaming and pointing the finger at something to keep us busy instead of evolving into the best that we can be.