Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings

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Parasites

I have also been of the theory that all life on this planet as we know it, is at a specific disadvantage to a less material more energy oriented multi-dimensional race, that feeds on the energy i.e. wave like layer associated with our living body known as chi, qi or the energy body. These parasitic non-organic beings live in a state of perpetual camouflage, and our fleeting glimpses of them are easily explained away, and our prolonged glimpses are diagnosed as hallucinations, schizophrenia, or gross electrical/chemical manipulation of the physical brain.

My personal Experience

My experience as of right now 05/28/2011 is that the majority of non-organic parasites are ghosts, or dead humans. Much is said on the subject of non-carnate human beings, some of the literature has some nice fuzzy warmness to it, my experience is not such. The definition of ghosts, needs clarification to get a good picture.

There seems to be a grade school of sorts when it comes to dimensions and the perception and access of them. Just like the material rules apply, we are stuck in the third dimension and for some strange reason, to go higher we have to go lower. The fourth dimension is the realm of negative parasitic beings. These beings are the demons, devils, succubae and pretas. The fourth dimension is home to those without an energy body, or a very weak one, as such they are forced to pursue those lower than themselves on the evolutionary scale who still have an energy body, and that would be physical life in the third dimension.

I have talked with souls in the fifth dimension and it is always through a tunnel, as if they have to avoid the fourth dimension themselves or risk having their energy zapped by these fourth dimensional parasites. The fourth dimension is the school of hard knocks for the would be developing psychic. The developing psychic has become necessarily more open and vulnerable as he/she leaves behind the false paradigms/walls of the confused third dimension. Just as a child just learning to walk he/she has weak and wobbly knees, so to are the perceptions and energy defenses of the developing psychic. These developing psychics are like beacons shining out to these fourth dimensional parasites that revel in the ease their meals are acquired, like taking candy from a baby.

Since most people are in one state or another of psychic development, most people are vulnerable to these attacks, though they may not know it. Of course, there are good ghosts, or better said, non-organic humans with energy bodies, but, they reside in the fifth dimension and above, and as such, their appearances here are few and short, I've seen them before, I recently saw four of them show up for a wedding. I've never seen them at a funeral, but, I've had one show up to take a ghost I was willingly giving energy to (not usually a good idea) over to the fifth dimension. I had an old friend who recently passed away talk to me from the fifth dimension; she would take no energy from me for the conversation, and admonished me for offering my energy for fear a fourth dimensional entity would show up. I asked this friend on the other side if their were lots of best friends to hang out with on the other side, to which she answered me, “I am my own best friend”, I really like that answer.

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Protection

Fourth dimensional beings prefer for you to be still while they are feeding on you, as such, if you feel as if your are being preyed upon, move around, go for a jog, take a walk, exercise your body, even driving helps.

It has been my experience that differing third dimensional materials offer certain difficulties in the ease of passage to fourth dimensional beings. The chi associated with our energy bodies that the fourth dimensional parasites are after does not pass unaffected through dense substances. In the walls of structures where fourth dimensional parasites frequent, there can be seen a residue of energy. Because of the lack of ease of passage, parasites tend to use the same portals over and over again, this lessons them their loosing the energy they have just stolen from a third dimensional being. As such the smoke of burning sage tends to clear away such portals, causing said entities difficulty in getting around comfortably and as such, they will tend to pass your abode and go somewhere else, the sage cleansings last about three to five days and if you can't see the portals, it is better to just walk the smoke through the house paying special attention to the walls.

Since the denser more solid substances increase the level of difficulty in traversing it makes sense to use tile on the floors and even bathroom tile on other areas of the house, slate or granite tiles provide an extra certain insulation against them, as do thicker denser walls and rock structures, such as caves.

Animal skin such as sheepskin makes a decent choice for bedclothes as it provides insulation in use as a bedspread and or a blanket covering.

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Diversity

1. As the myriad of material life we see on the surface of this planet thrives in robust diversity we must accept one commonality that repeats itself over and over again, and that is that life on this planet is parasitic to free living on a ratio of 4 to 1 [DISCOVER, Vol. 21 No. 08, August 2000]. With that in mind, the cryptic message of the Emerald tablet has a significant message. If non-organic life, non-material non-organic life forms exist, and, I have to think that most likely they would, wouldn't they hold some similarity, some likeness to the life that has evolved organically? I think they would.

Non-corporal parasitic life forms are mentioned in the ancient text known as the Tibetan Book of the Dead which speaks about the "Pretas" which translates loosely to "hungry ghost" which because of their non-admittance into a post life abode, must roam the earth in search of food, in it's energetic form, and that form can only be found in the body's of the living.

The Taittiriya Upanishad is an ancient Hindu text, and one of the most venerated by the Yogis of India, for it describes the five subtle bodies all humans posses. This information is vital if you're a yogi, or deep meditation practitioner, for, just as an electrician needs to know the lay out of unseen wires within a structure's walls, so to does the seeker of personal healing need to know the lay out of personal configurations that are the root of personality and ways a spiritual energetic parasite could manipulate our ego's and emotions into letting go of that with which is our birth right. The Taittiriya Upanishad describes the five affected bodies with which our untouchable immortal soul resides. It would be like the core of the earth we could compare to our soul, which is within the mantle of the earth, then the crust of the earth, then the breathable atmosphere of the earth, then the unbreathable atmosphere of the earth and then the electromagnetic shield of the earth. Those five bodies are as follows.

1. Anna Maya Kosha: The body made of physical matter

2. Prana Maya Kosha: The body made of vital energy

3. Mano Maya Kosha: The body of thought energy

4. Vijnana Maya Kosha: The body of higher intelligence

5. Ananda Maya Kosha: The body of mystical awareness

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These parasites I speak of would target the energy body, and attempt to steal energy away from it. How this is done I don't know, but, I suspect that through the process we emphasis our physical body made of matter and our body of thought energy, thus leaving our body of higher intelligence and our body of mystical awareness to atrophy.

I also think our totality is made more susceptible to attack when we perpetuate sins against the soul, and these could range from lies and thievery to murder. I'm no bible thumper, but, it seems there is truth in this.

The Gnostic scriptures of the Nag Hamaradi Library speak not only of a hungry ghost, but a hungry God, as the God of the Old Testament "Yahweh" is recast, as "Yaldaboath" the blind idiot godling who feeds off of the spark of all human beings. This sounds incredibly preposterous, but in Christianity's infancy, before Constantine and the Roman Empire institutionalized it, this was a popular belief structure.

Carlos Castaneda spoke in earnest in his last book Being in Dreaming about worm like non-corporal entities that fed off of the life force of the human race, he also stated that these entities were pervasive and all encompassing to the point of even being responsible for our human race thinking in words and viewing the world in a linear manner.

This leads one to ponder, if non-organic fourth dimensional humans are definitely a parasite of human beings, what of other more dominant more pervasive parasites inhabiting the fourth dimension?

Michael Harner a world famous Anthropologist writes in "Way of the Shaman" how when he was under the influence of ayahuasca (a powerful hallucinogen) he witnessed “dragon like creatures” that “had created life on the planet in order to hide within the multitudinous forms and thus disguise their presence.

The Gnostics, Michael Harner and Castaneda examples all sound like the ancient creation myth of the Babylonians that state all life on this planet is the by product of the life force of a sleeping (i.e. fourth dimension dwelling) dragon named Tiamat that was defeated by the Babylonian hero Marduk, and that one day the dragon would awaken.


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We also find examples of higher, more organized and powerful parasites in the William S. Burroughs dictum “language is a virus”. In which he asks, “which came first the intestine or the tape worm?” Burroughs isn't so much wanting you to think about the evolution of the tapeworm and its habitat the intestines; he wants you to make a connection to something else. Burroughs points out that the tape worm didn't just grace upon an intestine that was merrily getting on without it, rather the intestine evolved in the way it did just to provide the tapeworm with a comfortable or profitable environment in which it might thrive. Borroughs is hinting at a difficult metaphor, and then out and says it in his dictum language is a virus.

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“Self-identity is ultimately a symptom of parasitic invasion, the expression within me of forces originating from outside. Language is to the brain as the tapeworm is to the intestines. Even more so: it may just be possible to find a digestive space free from parasitic infection, but we will never find an uncontaminated mental space. Strands of alien DNA unfurl themselves in our brains, just as tapeworms unfurl themselves in our guts. Not just language, but the whole quality of human consciousness, as expressed in male and female is basically a virus mechanism.”

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What Burroughs says here, powerfully agrees with Castaneda, who repeats over and over in his novels the key to sorcery is “to turn off the internal dialogue”.

H.P. Lovecraft also speaks of gods like powerful and dark beyond imagination beings which live in a dimension just out of our reach and just out of our touch, though we are not out of theirs (the fourth dimension). These beings have been on earth since it's infancy and are responsible for the introduction of life, as we know it on this planet. Lovecraft even has a poem about them, which seems to sum up their existence in the fourth dimension very well.

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“That which does not die but eternal lies, and with strange eons, even death may die”

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David Hudson's white gold powder

I am no expert on the mono-atomic elements discovered by David Hudson, I have not even tried them, I am extremely curious though and willing to entertain a few notions concerning this matter.

David Hudson is a modern day alchemist with modern day discoveries. His methods are very scientific and he has shown how to reduplicate his methods of producing mono-atomic elements including gold.

Hudson has made some interesting correlations with information in ancient history where he thinks white gold powder was not only discovered, but used for certain spiritual transformations. David Hudson thinks the manna consumed by the Judaic peoples during their exodus from Egypt may have in fact been mono-atomic elements, and the Ark of the Covenant a device for making and storing mono-atomic elements. Hudson has stated that ingesting these elements and fasting for forty days, creates a magnetic field that repels other magnetic fields (could this be a method for protection against fourth dimensional parasites?)

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If non-corporal greater parasites were a reality, they would be a universal reality, and as such, even advanced non-earth cultures like the Anunnaki would be forced to go though excessive means to find a remedy of them, even exhausting their own planetary supplies of mono atomic precious metals? And then traveling to other places like earth to find them?

If you ascribe one iota to the "collective unconscious mind” that Carl Jung refers to and then you look at all the cultures throughout modern and ancient history who describe a demon like race that is infinitely interested in the mind of man kind, you have to at one point wonder where paranoia ends, and where collective observations concerning self preservation begin.

It is my theory that the positive effects both physical and spiritual attributed to "the white powder gold" David Hudson speaks of is the one and same that Alchemists through the ages have spoke of and searched for. And the reason for the positive attributes are the releasing of the hold these parasites have on mankind, and as such the further development of the body of higher intelligence and the body of mystical awareness.

2. Just as non-conductive materials can keep in check known energies such as electricity, radiation and heat, so too do I think non-conductive materials can keep in check unknown energies, such as parasitic life forms.

I mention conductivity, because it has been my experience witnessing the “Pretas”(hungry ghosts) I spoke of earlier taking their fill of energy and leaving portions of it on walls where they glide though solid matter as entrances. The constant use of the same space on a specific wall that is used, as a portal will begin to glow after time because of the residue left on it.

Pretas tend to use the same space over and over again as a way of conserving the energy that is taken from live human beings which has a difficult time passing through thicker substances like walls.

It has also been my experience that the thicker and denser the substance you surround yourself with, the less attractive you are to a Preta. I have even been told by an individual capable of astral travel that he felt uncomfortable passing through thick substances himself and that he even felt a sting when going through a ceiling once. The individual I speak is Jonathan Zapp and his illuminating and enlightening collection of writings concerning the Parasitic possibility and the possible forced condition on our race by these parasitic beings can be found by going to alignment2012.com and then clicking on Jonathan Zapp's Pavilion.

I've hinted at greater parasitc entities in the fourth dimension than ghosts.
I believe they exist.
I believe I've seen a representitive of this force before.
I would like to expand on this in dialogue.
I welcome any and all ponderings in this regard.
This is a difficult area to navigate, and anyone who has knowledge in this arena would benefit all by sharing it. :)


Do I sound like an individual suffering from "Delusive Parasitosis"? I have to risk being diagnosed as such, every once in a while; craziness can incapsulate the truth better than the most logical minded mathematical philosopher. I am not saying I am right in stating any of this, just, that, it sounds interesting to me.

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Do I sound like an individual suffering from "Delusive Parasitosis"?

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Hehe... nice one :)

I can relate to the model you are proposing... up to a point. If one is intentionally (and even if not) on evolving, spiritually speaking, then at a frequency level, you are changing... up and outwardly. The subsequent change just makes it harder for them to hang on and also to get access to you.
I had wondered at the fact that humans are being given the opportunity to 'ascend' to 5D in the near future, but it is becoming clear to me that we have been dealing with 4D beings and their 'technologies' to enslave/farm us for aeons and have essentially 'earned our wings' to skip a grade :) and do not have to deal with 4D any longer, unless that is what we choose. Given that there is supposed to be a universal law of non interference... how come 4D bullies get to push us around.. what's up with that?

I remember in days of tibetan buddhism study that we used to take portion of our food/meal, chew it up and then roll it into a ball and bless it with the intention to turn it into an offering to the hungry pretas for their nourishment and then they would not interupt your meditation practices.... sounds like a deal with the devil to me now :)

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Hehe... nice one :)

I can relate to the model you are proposing... up to a point. If one is intentionally (and even if not) on evolving, spiritually speaking, then at a frequency level, you are changing... up and outwardly. The subsequent change just makes it harder for them to hang on and also to get access to you.
I had wondered at the fact that humans are being given the opportunity to 'ascend' to 5D in the near future, but it is becoming clear to me that we have been dealing with 4D beings and their 'technologies' to enslave/farm us for aeons and have essentially 'earned our wings' to skip a grade :) and do not have to deal with 4D any longer, unless that is what we choose. Given that there is supposed to be a universal law of non interference... how come 4D bullies get to push us around.. what's up with that?

I remember in days of tibetan buddhism study that we used to take portion of our food/meal, chew it up and then roll it into a ball and bless it with the intention to turn it into an offering to the hungry pretas for their nourishment and then they would not interupt your meditation practices.... sounds like a deal with the devil to me now :)

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but it is becoming clear to me that we have been dealing with 4D beings and their 'technologies' to enslave/farm us for aeons

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I definatly agree with this quote and it is very eloquante and scary in it's emphasis. I have for some time been worried that indeed technologies may be employed by a race of rich (Illuminati types of different planets) who in a bid to maintain their present consiousness,,,,,and circumvent the natural cycle of reincarnation,,,,attempt to maintian in the fourth dimension through syphoning life force energies from living sentient societies like our own. There may even be a race of artificial intelligence bilogical robots used as intermediaries in this regard. The movie "The Matrix" may indeed be a metaphor for something very real going on.

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I remember in days of tibetan buddhism study that we used to take portion of our food/meal, chew it up and then roll it into a ball and bless it with the intention to turn it into an offering to the hungry pretas for their nourishment and then they would not interupt your meditation practices.... sounds like a deal with the devil to me now

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I find this last quote absolutely fascinating. :)
This is a wonderfull little tid bit markoid, thank you very much for sharing this. Amazing

Wow, great read, DNA, thank you.

The Castaneda idea really stayed with me when I first read it. 'They gave us their mind'. According to David Icke, Credo Mutwa, the Zulu shaman, says that there was a golden age before this entity or entities arrived.

I have at various stages in my life, found myself aware of ugly entities lurking. I read Stuart Wilde, and he refers to them as 'ghouls'. He says they can't stand chamomile flowers and lavender. I am no expert of how inter-dimensional parasitism works, but I can tell you that chamomile flowers in your pockets, and the dust rubbed lightly on your forehead ... works. Now, I'm sure people will tell me that's just because I believe it does, but I'm not so sure. I've experimented with other things that didn't seem to work at all. You put chamomile flowers and dust about your person, and drink chamimile tea (strong and really stewed) and you'll see what I mean. The feeling is as though an ugly presence lifts because it doesn't like the stuff.

Red brick dust around your house? Sure, why not? I don't know how it all works, but vervain, lavender, chamomile, etc., may be renowned for their warding off properties for better reasons than just superstition. You can understand something intuitively as well as scientifically.

Stuart Wilde also says they hate nicotine, which is a neuro-enhancer, by the way. And trashing your energy with drugs and alcohol seems to be like an invitation to these entities. Ugly thoughts too, I'd say. This is a huge subject.

Brilliant thread, DNA

Borden

Hi DNA,
Interesting! Regarding monatomic gold, can you say something, with respect, about why not to take it?

Are you including the 2lbs worth of parasites, etc., that we carry in our bodies in your thesis that parasites inhabit the earth, which I do agree with?

for the sake of simplicity ill break up astral entities that siphon energy off people into 4 classes.

Lesser elemental beings

Like the parasites/bacteria that exist in a persons intestinal system, there are elemental beings that siphon off energy from a human that operate in a similar way a Remora fish siphons food off of sharks and other sea creatures. These types of elementals are not malevolent in intent, they are simply living there lives as they are meant to, feeding off life and playing their role in as they should in there own course of development. Sometimes there presence can be beneficial, as they can siphon off any excess energy that would cause health problems if not properly balanced in your field. Virtually everyone has some of these critters attached to them at one point or another, when removed they should not be harmed, as they are not highly intelligent and have no concept of what a human being is.

earthbound humans

People who have lost their spiritual identity and cling to life and the pleasures they associate with it. Usually the po/ body intelligence has become too strong while they were alive and has dominated the motivations, and perspective of the individual into a entirely materialistic view. Usually the individual will have some sort of addiction and will siphon off energy from people in the flesh that have the same addiction. Also in this class, but extremely rare is the black magician who tries to strengthen the po to give immortality to the lower self, and will practice some form of vampirism to replenish its energy. All the old tales of vampires and ghouls fall into this class.

Negative Lower astral entities

A demon would generally fall into this class, as would other semi intelligent astral beings that willfully/deceitfully feed off of the corresponding elemental essence in a human being. The typical concept of a demon would feed the off unchecked fire within a human being that creates blood lust, murderous thoughts etc. I have never seen a reptilian as such, but if they do exist, i suppose they would be at the higher end of this spectrum. Just to note, beings in this class are intelligent/powerful enough that they can assume any form they wish to try to deceive you.


Gods

Gods that feed off the life and control those who are less powerful and intelligent than they are. this is somewhat beyond me but i have had run in's with forms of evil beyond my comprehension. I think this picture sort of gives you a idea.

Saturn devours his children

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Since most people are in one state or another of psychic development, except of course, Republicans, most people are vulnerable to these attacks, though they may not know it.

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Republicans? a joke?

generally speaking, the more yang energy in your field, the less likely it becomes for lower astral entities to siphon energy from you. You will become less palatable to them. Solar gazing is one way to do this, filling your lower field with yang chi is another. Limiting sexual activity also helps. Taking regular baths/showers not only gets off worldly filth, but helps with unwanted astral & etheric influences. This is the basic concept for having the baptism ceremony in Christianity. Character is key, if they have no place to gain a foothold in you, they will have no reason to be there. You must unknowingly supply them with food.

First off,,,BearCow, can I just say that this thread was worth the effort on your post alone. Amazing. Thank you for taking the time and energy.
This is how exploration takes place and I can't thank you enough for participating. I'm absolutely stoked. Your post is so full of comment worthy material that I'll attempt to do so one portion at a time.

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Lesser elemental beings

Like the parasites/bacteria that exist in a persons intestinal system, there are elemental beings that siphon off energy from a human that operate in a similar way a Remora fish siphons food off of sharks and other sea creatures. These types of elementals are not malevolent in intent, they are simply living there lives as they are meant to, feeding off life and playing their role in as they should in there own course of development. Sometimes there presence can be beneficial, as they can siphon off any excess energy that would cause health problems if not properly balanced in your field. Virtually everyone has some of these critters attached to them at one point or another, when removed they should not be harmed, as they are not highly intelligent and have no concept of what a human being is.

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I hope I don't over share here, but, for the sake of continuing this learning experience I will risk it.
I began seeing into the etheric nine years ago. It took a lot of work I'm not naturally psychic. And I can see now why being naturally psychic might be a bad thing if you don't put in the work to get there gradually.
Anyway,,,on to your examples.
In this example I was hours into a meditaiton, and I began to sense baseball sized living globs, living/feeding on my wrists. I entered an empathic connection with them to try and tell them to get off and that didn't work. I began looking at them as enemies and the confrontation was feeding them. No amount of focusing on the entities was going to detach them. Instead I had to look at myself. I began to see myself as a kid, and regardless of my tales of woe about being a underpriveliged kid, the brass tacks of the situation were I shop lifted as a kid.
I also did so as a teenager at times. This action "stealing" weakened my natural defenses and provided a chink in my armor where these beings could feed on me, and once they get the juice/energy flowing they attempt to get you to continue to lower your vibrations in this area by just getting you to think about doing the immoral act that beckoned them, or pondering on the thing that weakened your energetic defenses in the first place. I didn't have to steal anymore to feed them, I just had to think about it, or entertain the notion.
I will agree as well that these entities did not exude intellect or sentience as you or I, but did in fact operate on a more animal level of consciousness. These beings were not evil, they were just doing what was nessasary to gain sustenance.
I detached them by wishing them love and wellness and asked for help from a being on the other side of the veil in regards to their well being and seeing them to a safe place.
I find practicing philanthropy also strengthens the energy fields natural defenses.
Giving time/energy and or money to a worthy cause is nutritious for the soul.
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Thank you to DNA and all who have posted here. I am comforted to know that others see it as well, and in fact you have given me much food for thought. You have greatly expanded on my own observations about beings standing just outside of our perceived reality who manipulate and control us and our reality, and who in fact feed off of our energy. I would just like to add that the natural universe provides for things to be kept in balance, in other words- there are also benevolent forces working to assist us. It ain't all bad! :)

There are people who are naturally more spiritually tuned into the "astral" realm. I am one such person and have lived all my life aware of entities / energies around me. I believe such people as myself are like beacons to the lower dimensional lower energy beings and get targeted. Some of these beings have a desire to negatively affect us and cause us to go off of our divine path. It's helpful to have "tuned in" parents who can help guide us to protect ourselves and understand what is happening. When a child is dealing with these sorts of experiences it's hard to know how to do so without that guidance. Fear can become a spiritually numbing energy that can shut down those "gifts" of perception. Many as they get older just become desensitized to them and no longer experience that dimension and often shut down part of their pathway in learning and develping their gifts/skills. I do believe all humans have these abilities, it's just some are more aware and do develop them on purpose. Many will come back to their "gifts" later in life when they are more balanced. Many who never learn to deal with them develep mental illness and get stuck on medicines that interfer with their development and remain spiritually wounded. I am not at all trying to suggest those reading this who have chemical imbalances to stop their medicines.

I do believe there are people who have been inhabited by some negative entities and have no recollection of their actions that have landed them in mental institutions/prisons. There are also "Do it yourself" psychics who dabbled in areas they were not prepared for and get lost in astral and remain in a space of insanity or coma like states. There is a space I call the "grey" area in astral that one can get very lost in. I see energy fields in astral as colors and learned a long time ago to avoid red fields. There is also a feeling aspect of fields for me, and the ones I avoid have a "spikey" or hot feel to them. In my learning curve, I finally learned to just jump past the lower fields and raise my energy higher and higher. It was always my goal to experience divine oneness and that happened back in 1995 for me. It came from a dark night of the soul time for me where I had to truly forgive a terrible wrong. Upon doing so, I pretty much experienced what I later learned and read what St. Teresa of Avila experienced in her divine encounter. Since that time, I have been able to do soul healing and see very clearly the spiritual wounds in others. To me it looks and feels like a black tar substance in and on their energy body. I also see the cords that wrap around people that keep them bound and unable to get past wounds and spiritual pain/injury.

Much of what Jesus said took on new meaning to me after this experience. I truly understood why he said that to hate your brother was the same as murder. It always logically bothered me because surely to kill someone was worse than to dislike or even hate them. But, I energetically saw what happens to one's soul when they are hated or people thing negative thoughts about them. Most of use go around completely unprotected energetically. We live in instinct reacting to each thing without thinking. Those thoughts are energy. Thoughts are capable of healing or killing spiritually. So, to hate your brother is the same as taking an arrow with a nasty barbed tip and shooting it into their heart thereby causing immense damage. The person does not necessarily comprehend their wound, but they are no longer whole. They have this barb with a cord and it's often stuck in them in a hard to get to place.

You can get these barbs out, you can get them out of others. It has a physical aspect to it, and most often does hurt when removed. It's very important that once it's removed and the tar is cleared away to fill it with divine love. I could add more, but these thoughts flowed to me and I have work to do. This work is my life's calling. Soul touching, melding and divine union are the most beautiful experiences one could ever have. Being aware of each moment, living in the now, and responding rather than reacting are key to healing our world. Learning how to sheild and send divine love will go a long way in doing that.

Much love,

Serenity

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There are people who are naturally more spiritually tuned into the "astral" realm. I am one such person and have lived all my life aware of entities / energies around me. I believe such people as myself are like beacons to the lower dimensional lower energy beings and get targeted.

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I 100% agree with you here. I,,,like yourself, have always been aware of invisible forces around me. I stumbled upon some books as a teenager (I bow to the forces who tripped me:) ) where I learned some open eye meditations, and I began to be able to see into the etheric when I was 29.
An amazing experience and truelly validating.
One has to reach a point in one's devolopment where one is open and vulnerable in order to learn valuable lessons in psychic awareness. For folks who disagree they may not realize it, but they have either allready gone through this in previous incarnations or are yet too. But, I believe we all do at some point in our devolopment.

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Some of these beings have a desire to negatively affect us and cause us to go off of our divine path. It's helpful to have "tuned in" parents who can help guide us to protect ourselves and understand what is happening. When a child is dealing with these sorts of experiences it's hard to know how to do so without that guidance. Fear can become a spiritually numbing energy that can shut down those "gifts" of perception. Many as they get older just become desensitized to them and no longer experience that dimension and often shut down part of their pathway in learning and develping their gifts/skills. I do believe all humans have these abilities, it's just some are more aware and do develop them on purpose. Many will come back to their "gifts" later in life when they are more balanced. Many who never learn to deal with them develep mental illness and get stuck on medicines that interfer with their development and remain spiritually wounded. I am not at all trying to suggest those reading this who have chemical imbalances to stop their medicines.

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I absolutely agree here as well. As far as the children part, I compare the monsters children claim to see in the dark to the movie "monsters Inc", a movie about monsters who need to steal (energy) from children in order to power their city. A very powerfull metaphor if you ask me, for I think it's pretty close to the truth.
There may very well be cities in the fourth dimension,,,that have project creations that need energy to be sustained,,,and,,,if nothing else,,,the beings,,and for the most part ghosts,,,,,need this energy to sustain themselves at the very least.

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I do believe there are people who have been inhabited by some negative entities and have no recollection of their actions that have landed them in mental institutions/prisons.

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I don't agree with that.
It's been my experience that "possesion" as a rule,,,does not exist in so far as pure non-organic entities are concerned.
I'm no expert,,,,and I could be wrong,,,but,,,I am going to commit to my statement.
Now,,,the exception may be when you mix a knowing organic or physical being into the equation to assist in such dreadfull matters.
I'm only speculating,,but,,,,abductions and implants may produce such effects.

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There are also "Do it yourself" psychics who dabbled in areas they were not prepared for and get lost in astral and remain in a space of insanity or coma like states.

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Aren't we all "do it yourself" psychics? :)
I have to say, I don't agree here.
Getting lost in the astral and insanity or coma like states are scare tactics in my opinion. I've been "doing it myself" for quite some time and I've never run into anything so final and dreadfull.
As much as there are detriments to practicing psychic activity,,,I do believe there are built in fail safes. You may indeed attract unwanted attention to yourself from the astral, but I don't believe there is any risk in being possessed or taken over or any of that.

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There is a space I call the "grey" area in astral that one can get very lost in. I see energy fields in astral as colors and learned a long time ago to avoid red fields. There is also a feeling aspect of fields for me, and the ones I avoid have a "spikey" or hot feel to them. In my learning curve, I finally learned to just jump past the lower fields and raise my energy higher and higher. It was always my goal to experience divine oneness and that happened back in 1995 for me. It came from a dark night of the soul time for me where I had to truly forgive a terrible wrong. Upon doing so, I pretty much experienced what I later learned and read what St. Teresa of Avila experienced in her divine encounter. Since that time, I have been able to do soul healing and see very clearly the spiritual wounds in others. To me it looks and feels like a black tar substance in and on their energy body. I also see the cords that wrap around people that keep them bound and unable to get past wounds and spiritual pain/injury.
Much of what Jesus said took on new meaning to me after this experience. I truly understood why he said that to hate your brother was the same as murder. It always logically bothered me because surely to kill someone was worse than to dislike or even hate them. But, I energetically saw what happens to one's soul when they are hated or people thing negative thoughts about them. Most of use go around completely unprotected energetically. We live in instinct reacting to each thing without thinking. Those thoughts are energy. Thoughts are capable of healing or killing spiritually. So, to hate your brother is the same as taking an arrow with a nasty barbed tip and shooting it into their heart thereby causing immense damage. The person does not necessarily comprehend their wound, but they are no longer whole. They have this barb with a cord and it's often stuck in them in a hard to get to place.
You can get these barbs out, you can get them out of others. It has a physical aspect to it, and most often does hurt when removed. It's very important that once it's removed and the tar is cleared away to fill it with divine love. I could add more, but these thoughts flowed to me and I have work to do. This work is my life's calling. Soul touching, melding and divine union are the most beautiful experiences one could ever have. Being aware of each moment, living in the now, and responding rather than reacting are key to healing our world. Learning how to sheild and send divine love will go a long way in doing that.
Much love,
Serenity

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You've given me much to ponder on here.
I don't doubt that people can do damage to one another with their thoughts, but I've always found that people tend to be their own worst enemies in this regard.
And rather than worrying about what someone else's thoughts are doing to you,,,better to worry about what your own thoughts are doing to yourself.:)
Thank You for your input Unified Serenity.
You are very much appreciated. :)

Awesome discussions!
Again I am struck with great insight regarding my own experiences by reading others discussions on project avalon.
I am still digesting this topic. And have no Imediate contribution, except to say thank you to everyone who openly discusses such extremely important topics.

Of all the rooms to be a fly on the wall, I am glad to be in this one.

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I have at various stages in my life, found myself aware of ugly entities lurking. I read Stuart Wilde, and he refers to them as 'ghouls'. He says they can't stand chamomile flowers and lavender. I am no expert of how inter-dimensional parasitism works, but I can tell you that chamomile flowers in your pockets, and the dust rubbed lightly on your forehead ... works. Now, I'm sure people will tell me that's just because I believe it does, but I'm not so sure. I've experimented with other things that didn't seem to work at all. You put chamomile flowers and dust about your person, and drink chamimile tea (strong and really stewed) and you'll see what I mean. The feeling is as though an ugly presence lifts because it doesn't like the stuff.

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Thank you for your input in regards to possible defenses against these folks. Chamomile and lavender,,,I'll have to give Stuart Wilde a try sometime.

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Stuart Wilde also says they hate nicotine, which is a neuro-enhancer, by the way.

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The native americans smoked it for hundreds of years and had no problems, and as far as I know,,,it is popular with vodoo priests and south american shamans when they go to work removing unwanted spirits. I have no problem thinking there is something to this.

You know,,,I had initially listed a topical application that helped me immenslly, but I thought I would get enough raised eyebrows as it is,,but,,with your contributions here,,I'll go ahead and mention it. It is a skin lotion,,,the three main ingrediants are wild oat extract, orange extract and Eucaplytus extract.

Thanks DNA. I'll give that one a try.

I'm not advocating smoking tobacco, but I do wonder why it is so demonised (poor choice of word?) now, when the processed poisons, chemical additives and other vile things are considered fine to put into our bodies. And the native Americans didn't have to worry about humectants, arsenic, heavy metals, etc in their tobacco. I don't think they were dying of cancer all over the place!

Caffeine, by the way, is another one. However, overdoing it with the caffeine is hardly conducive to peace of mind if worried about negative entities!

Reading this thread and seeing what others have mentioned about hatred and so on ... it all makes sense on many levels. For instance, I've read that the sub-conscious mind cannot differentiate between negative thoughts directed at someone else and negative thoughts directed at it. This would mean that to fire off negative thoughts about anybody is self-defeating. And I know we suffer in all sorts of ways - including physically - from negativity directed anywhere or at anyone.

One other thing that all this reminds me of is a subject that has been discussed at Avalon before. In meditative states, and when looking with your eyes closed - if you see what I mean - it is very common to 'see' an eye. It's usually reptilian - with the vertical slitted pupil. I've wondered if this is connected to the R-Complex, reptilian base brain ... or is it something more? Or are the two subjects related in some way we don't understand?

And are our thoughts 'managed' in such a way that we cannot understand it? I'm reminded of Castaneda saying that the reptilian presence lives in constant fear of discovery. Perhaps its evasive, obfuscatory measures are that deep and intelligent. This idea, of course, hardly helps with the paranoia!

This in turn reminds me of something I was turned on to recently by a poster in a thread I've forgotten - who mentioned a guy who talks about 'clicking the amygdala forward'. (A search for that phrase will find you the guy). This means utilising the neo-cortical brain instead of living in the reptilian and mammalian brains as we generally do.

Perhaps this enemy accesses us through that ancient reptilian part of the brain. We need it for 'fight or flight', etc., but if we can learn to govern it instead of the other way around ... well, well, well.

It makes me laugh when I think of this: when I was a little boy and would go on holiday with my parents, I was utterly, utterly obsessed with catching lizards. Don't know why. It was all I wanted to do. Their evasiveness fascinated me. That and the fact that I'd heard their tails would grow back if they came off. At that age my hair was completely white so that I looked like a little Nordic. Make of that what you will!

Borden

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Thanks DNA. I'll give that one a try.

I'm not advocating smoking tobacco, but I do wonder why it is so demonised (poor choice of word?) now, when the processed poisons, chemical additives and other vile things are considered fine to put into our bodies. And the native Americans didn't have to worry about humectants, arsenic, heavy metals, etc in their tobacco. I don't think they were dying of cancer all over the place!

Caffeine, by the way, is another one. However, overdoing it with the caffeine is hardly conducive to peace of mind if worried about negative entities!

Reading this thread and seeing what others have mentioned about hatred and so on ... it all makes sense on many levels. For instance, I've read that the sub-conscious mind cannot differentiate between negative thoughts directed at someone else and negative thoughts directed at it. This would mean that to fire off negative thoughts about anybody is self-defeating. And I know we suffer in all sorts of ways - including physically - from negativity directed anywhere or at anyone.

One other thing that all this reminds me of is a subject that has been discussed at Avalon before. In meditative states, and when looking with your eyes closed - if you see what I mean - it is very common to 'see' an eye. It's usually reptilian - with the vertical slitted pupil. I've wondered if this is connected to the R-Complex, reptilian base brain ... or is it something more? Or are the two subjects related in some way we don't understand?

And are our thoughts 'managed' in such a way that we cannot understand it? I'm reminded of Castaneda saying that the reptilian presence lives in constant fear of discovery. Perhaps its evasive, obfuscatory measures are that deep and intelligent. This idea, of course, hardly helps with the paranoia!

This in turn reminds me of something I was turned on to recently by a poster in a thread I've forgotten - who mentioned a guy who talks about 'clicking the amygdala forward'. (A search for that phrase will find you the guy). This means utilising the neo-cortical brain instead of living in the reptilian and mammalian brains as we generally do.

Perhaps this enemy accesses us through that ancient reptilian part of the brain. We need it for 'fight or flight', etc., but if we can learn to govern it instead of the other way around ... well, well, well.

It makes me laugh when I think of this: when I was a little boy and would go on holiday with my parents, I was utterly, utterly obsessed with catching lizards. Don't know why. It was all I wanted to do. Their evasiveness fascinated me. That and the fact that I'd heard their tails would grow back if they came off. At that age my hair was completely white so that I looked like a little Nordic. Make of that what you will!

Borden

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Thank you Borden for your post
Can you please confirm this statement

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Thanks for the replies. This is turning into a pretty neat discussion. I also have zero problem with anyone disagreeing with me. All I ask is that we keep the topic open, and learn from each other. Sometimes it is not so much a disagreement as a different way of wording things plus our own experiences which do not validate some things. I can attest that I have personally witnessed and cast out demonic entities. I have also gotten lost for a while in astral, even though I was with someone experienced as we were doing a specific task in astral. They were 3d conscious and I was "under" relating what was happening. At some point I got attracted to something and suddenly I was in a "grey" field. I kept going and going and finally at some point I heard her saying my name. It seemed very very far away, but I slowly got closer to the voice and by the time I came out of it she was pretty upset.

Normally I am completely aware, able to communicate, and work with others in astral. That day I was gone for over and hour just laying there like in a coma. It's one thing to have a peaceful meditation and such and be quiet. It's quite another to be doing a "working" and suddenly no communication. I just shut off. It took her over an hour to contact me again. So, would I have come out of it? Are there people in insane wards babbling to themselves? I can attest to that one again. I worked as an Adjunctive therapist. I witnessed these entities using people and feeding off of them first hand. There was a massive one over the house I worked. I shielded myself daily as I worked with the children. I could see the energies shift and change. One minute you'd be speaking with the child and the next it was definately someone else. These kids were not diagnosed with mulitple personalities or disassociative disorders.

I am not trying to scare anyone and yes we are sort of all "due it yourself" psychics. What I refer to though is more of a cavalier attitude and not respecting the spiritual realm and thinking nothing can harm you cause it's all just spirit / energy. Energy is very real. Adepts such as myself have learned one can learn a lesson and get a little burn or one can meet up with something they were totatally unprepared for and be turned into toast. I also believe our governments may have technology that is we go snooping around too much they might be able to put us in a sort of soul chamber for lack of a better word. Can you get out? I think anything is possible. I have learned that most of magick / energy work is all in the mind of the doer. Just remember there are some pretty odd things out there, and tricks you might not know.

There are plenty of people out here walking a light path willing to help. Before you just go off and wander around astral you might want to avail yourself of their wisdom and learn from them before you have to learn in the school of hard knocks. I'll stop here. FEAR is the killer. Never walk in fear. Walk in divine oneness and love. Listen closely and it will never fail you. Listen to yourself or get caught up in energy games and you very well might find yourself learning a very hard lesson.

Much love,

Serenity

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earthbound humans

People who have lost their spiritual identity and cling to life and the pleasures they associate with it. Usually the po/ body intelligence has become too strong while they were alive and has dominated the motivations, and perspective of the individual into a entirely materialistic view. Usually the individual will have some sort of addiction and will siphon off energy from people in the flesh that have the same addiction. Also in this class, but extremely rare is the black magician who tries to strengthen the po to give immortality to the lower self, and will practice some form of vampirism to replenish its energy. All the old tales of vampires and ghouls fall into this class.

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Hello BearCow
I'm back at it. :)
I understand what your saying with clinging to life and bodily pleasures and all.
But it's my understanding that the number one thing ghosts have in common is that they are know it alls.
It is my experience that ALL ghosts are offered help and shown the tunnel with the light at the end of it.
But for some reason, some ghosts refuse counsil. (Because the think they know it all)
I hear what your saying in concernes with addiction, and I suppose this could be the case, but how would one ascertain this?
I keep it simple, because what I can percieve in the astral realm is ussually simple.
It's ussually just me, in a darkened room, viewing an entitiy that has shown up to try and feed on me, and I suprise it by showing it that I can see it.
I then talk to it (outloud) ghosts are telepathic, but not perfectly so and as such I find it more economically communication wise to just talk outloud to it.
The ghosts are ussually not to interested in what you have to say,,,because they have to feed.
Energy is their number one concern.
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As a matter of fact I think ghost predation is such a common event that we have words for it that we didn't even know had anything to do with ghosts.
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1.The Sand Man. It is my experience that a ghosts favorite time to show up and attempt to feed on you is when you are in bed about to go to sleep. As a matter of fact, the sensation of a ghost taking your energy is ussually a pleasent one, and as such can actually help you fall asleep.
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2.Old Hag Syndrom. This is for particularly mean spirited ghosts who are on a power trip. The ghost waits until you are dreaming and your astral body is out of your body, then they interfer with your astral body settling into your body again and the resulting fear floods out of you in a wave of energy.

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3.The expression "some one just walked over my grave". When your hair stands up on your skin accompanied by a chill of sorts(no change of temperture) this is because a ghost has touched you and or is attempting to feed on you.
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A helpfull personal experience can be found here on an avalon on a thread I just started
How To See A Ghost For Your Self

Thank you DNA for this fascinating thread.
I have a question.
I saw and heard many things as a teenager that scared me and I basically turned my awareness away and concentrated on the material world for many, many years.
I have now come full circle and I am opening up again...
I am seeing lights a lot now. They are white or sometimes a beautiful blue colour. They flash on walls and sometimes on the floor/ground. I have become very used to them.
Also I am seeing black flashes too though. They will appear on the wall next to the t.v sometimes. I don't have the same level of comfort with these. Even now, writing about them is making me feel odd - a bit hot and uncomfortable. They are only small. It's like the wall has a little opening and closing or something. They will open and close off to the side of my view...
This is not happening constantly but is a daily event for me now and thought you might know what is going on... I'm not afraid, I just would like some insight...
I am also seeing sort of ripples which are daily events too. When you look at a rip in the surf where water meets from different directions there is a line there - well this is what I see when I'm looking around sometimes, like a ripple in the veil...
Hard to describe these things. Anybody see them too?

Hi, ktlight,

Yeah, I'm not sure about quoting large passages, but the Castaneda stuff is easily findable on line.

I just found this bit, which is what I referred to earlier, and is about the reptilian presence.

"They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now."

The whole passage is really interesting, as are the books. Highly recommnded.

Borden

Hi, Roseheart,

I've been having the exact same experience!

Do you get the feeling that everything in the world has sped up suddenly? Is the veil lifting or thinning? Or do we just have the same medical condition?!

Little blobs of shadow that scatter when I notice them ... little flecks of white light that don't move in a way correspondent with physical phenomena like blood pressure or whatever. I've been ignoring them actually, but one or two ribbons of rainbow coloured light were very odd.

Borden

i either need to meet a person like Inelia or Unified Serenity
I've actually come across intuitives who can see that Tar you describe Unified Serenity.
its healing when somebody can recognize a wrong that has been done to you.
but, its poorly understood by the person sometimes u doing it to...
..ie for that Tar, i like to keep a record that i've been hurt.
I've also seen here that entities can track in on your hate,
this is more complex to deal with

I thought I'd like to meet Inelia, cause shes new in this world,....and I'm amongst those who are either Old, or soon too, hoping to get off this plain

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Thank you DNA for this fascinating thread.
I have a question.
I saw and heard many things as a teenager that scared me and I basically turned my awareness away and concentrated on the material world for many, many years.
I have now come full circle and I am opening up again...
I am seeing lights a lot now. They are white or sometimes a beautiful blue colour. They flash on walls and sometimes on the floor/ground. I have become very used to them.
Also I am seeing black flashes too though. They will appear on the wall next to the t.v sometimes. I don't have the same level of comfort with these. Even now, writing about them is making me feel odd - a bit hot and uncomfortable. They are only small. It's like the wall has a little opening and closing or something. They will open and close off to the side of my view...
This is not happening constantly but is a daily event for me now and thought you might know what is going on... I'm not afraid, I just would like some insight...
I am also seeing sort of ripples which are daily events too. When you look at a rip in the surf where water meets from different directions there is a line there - well this is what I see when I'm looking around sometimes, like a ripple in the veil...
Hard to describe these things. Anybody see them too?

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Hi Roseheart
Thank you for sharing your experience.
I certainly don't want to try to limit the possibilites as to what your perceiving Rose. You describe visual annomalies but is there anything else associated with the visual? I certainly don't want to make assumptions. Are the flashes just that, flashes, or are they something else. Is there a shape?
Do you see them with both eyes?
The fact your seeing them on the walls and on the floor and ground does not sound like anything I could comment on.
I just don't know. It's up to the observer to use their own inner sense of knowing to describe what is going on.
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I don't really see anything until I go into a meditative state and purposelly activate my third eye.
I don't see into the etheric until I change my energy vibration.
So I may not be the best person to answer your question here.
These experiences you describe sound like they just happen in your normal field of vision.
There are phenomenon associated with portal activity,,,,and these have been reported by folks all over the country.
An excellent book on the subject is "hunt for the skinwalker" by George Knapp.
You could be experiencing any of the phenomenon we have talked about in your own unique way.
In terms of seeing these phenomenon with your regular field of vision I just don't have personal data to corrolate with you.
This is something I do not have experience with.
Maybe some one else can offer you a better explanation.
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Hi, Roseheart,

I've been having the exact same experience!

Do you get the feeling that everything in the world has sped up suddenly? Is the veil lifting or thinning? Or do we just have the same medical condition?!

Little blobs of shadow that scatter when I notice them ... little flecks of white light that don't move in a way correspondent with physical phenomena like blood pressure or whatever. I've been ignoring them actually, but one or two ribbons of rainbow coloured light were very odd.

Borden

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Excellent points Borden.
Thank You :)
Your making a corrolation with what is commonly termed as "eye floaties".
We are told by optomitrists that eye floaties are caused by "skin cells" floating in the inner eye, eye fluid.
The eye floaty explanation may not be sufficient to explain certain annomalies that correspond with this phenomenon.
For instance,,,,I myself notice heavy "eye floaty" activity when I'm unknowingly being parasitsed on by a ghost.
I've corrolated this time and time again.
When I experience intense eye floaty activity,,,I will go into a mediation,,activiate my third eye,,,and there will be a particularly strong ghost hovering about me.

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There are people who are naturally more spiritually tuned into the "astral" realm. I am one such person and have lived all my life aware of entities / energies around me. I believe such people as myself are like beacons to the lower dimensional lower energy beings and get targeted.

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generally speaking most people who are natural mediums have a lot of yin chi in their makeup. Simply put, the astral realm can be thought of as a yin based continuum, while the physical realm is more yang. the more yin you are, the more you have of what they want to sustain. The reality of this is more complicated than just these broad statements, but this covers the basic guidelines to understand the overall dynamics of the situation

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possession does exist but it is extremely rare, especially in the western world. spirits do attach themselves to mental patients, especially schizophrenics, but this is not what i would call full fledged possession.

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just like in this world karma must play itself out, all who wish to enter the heavenly realms will do so eventually, but the scales must be balanced. Complete absolution of past misdeeds by divine grace happens, but is not the norm. I am not a lord of karma so i wont presume to say i understand the dynamics of this fully.

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illusory chi is at the basis of all separation, but from their point of view they refuse help in the next world for as many different reasons as people in this world refuse to accept love into their life

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this group of earthbound spirits with addictions fit best with the classical description of a hungry ghost because the appetite of the po is stronger than the will of the conscious or semi conscious mind of the individual. In life the po makes them do things the conscious mind does not want to do, and this continues on after they die. Other earthbound spirits may decide to stay close to earth because of faulty logic concerning the afterlife and the nature of the self. This is more of a ego problem.

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It's ussually just me, in a darkened room, viewing an entitiy that has shown up to try and feed on me, and I suprise it by showing it that I can see it.
I then talk to it (outloud) ghosts are telepathic, but not perfectly so and as such I find it more economically communication wise to just talk outloud to it.
The ghosts are ussually not to interested in what you have to say,,,because they have to feed.
Energy is their number one concern.

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keep in mind that the unconscious aspect of your own astral body helps you form a recognizable image psychically of a entity in your presence. Also from my experience many non-human entities that wish to siphon off energy can assume a human form that will aid them in getting you to lower your defenses.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ame_8-cell.png

the picture above is of a tesseract or a hypercube . It is a three dimensional representation of a the four-dimensional analog of a cube. It is the closest thing that can be represented in three dimensional space of a 4d cube. It could be said that it is a unzipped version of a 4d object. When viewing or remembering 4d objects while in the physical realm, the unconscious mind automatically unzips a digestible version of a astral entity into the conscious mind that can be perceived in 3d terms. Our perception of a astral entity from the physical is never a complete and a fully accurate representation of a astral entity on it's own plane of existence.

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3.The expression "some one just walked over my grave". When your hair stands up on your skin accompanied by a chill of sorts(no change of temperture) this is because a ghost has touched you and or is attempting to feed on you.

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not necessarily, some sort of astral influence is interacting with you, but it does not have to be a entity. There are currents of force (winds) that exist and occasionally interact with the physical realm. Also, if you know how to manipulate your chi, you can create the same effect by pushing yin chi into the bladder meridians along the back.

Hey Borden - you made me laugh with the 'maybe we have same medical condition' comment. Off to the Psyche Ward for us? Some would say yes!

I need to add that I feel there is an 'Intelligence' involved in this phenomena. I sometimes think they are trying to tell me something and always look at the thought I'm having when they occur... The dark flashes are what I'm more interested in. What are they representing? Do I just feel uncomfortable about them because they're dark? Because 'dark things' are bad? Maybe they're harmless...

I find this thread very engaging.

I view these topics from a shamanic perspective, if we are aware enough we should be able to walk in and understand all these realms simultaneously. However, I have not fully reached that attainment (but am a very intuitive person):crazy

Interestingly, in my life I have found some things extremely comforting and have gravitated to them consistently...... Eucalyptus, Bay, chamomile, sage and tobbaco. If you are in need of "relief" these natural elements work.....don't know why, but they have shown to be expellers of sucubus types of energies over and over, regardless of my mindset or potential placebo positioning.

With my "awakening" I have come to look for tools to survive, first......

I also find that when I am in confusion, or feel really "heavy", I can go to a physical area where the only "mind" in proximity is mine....it seems that then I can clearly identify the energies attached to me and release them.

I sometimes use fishing as one of these activities that can shed unwanted energy (not actually fishing, just being in a physical position of some what mental remoteness, some where out on the water, isolated). And strange as it may seem, sailing seems to be a stronger tool then power boating. Though I enjoy both.

I realize these comments may seem lackluster compared to some....I am a believer of KISS, and try to view my world and my problems and my solutions through that looking glass.

Thanks again to everyone who contributes to this thread and forum. I respect and enjoy all the perspectives shared here!

Hi again Roseheart,

oh, and DNA, I'm not trying to hijack your great thread, this is on subject (I think),

I figured out years ago that spiders astral project. Yes, I know that sounds nuts, but I saw what I saw!

I was in a meditative state, and I saw one 'scouting'. Once I realised what I was seeing, I started to be able to see it regularly. They send out a version of themselves before going there. I've witnessed it, and in the same way that spiders tend to either freeze or scatter when you notice them, the astral spider does exactly the same.

This happened some years ago, but I still spot it regularly. Once seen ... difficult to unsee. A lot of the little blobs or flecks of shadow I see are spiders scouting, and I know this through long observation.

But it has made me think, and one of the things I think is that there may be all sorts of parasitic influences that are just ... pesky (to use a very American term). Not intelligent or evil, but just doing what they do. Perhaps the mind or even the physical brain are prone to parasitical things that are just what they are. If arachnids astral project, then what else can they do? And what other creatures may feed on energies we don't classify as 'real'? And maybe these are not sinister as in 'reptilian' sinister, but just natural.

I also think that the other stuff, the stuff that DNA details, is real. And you have to wonder, well, if this is a feature of primitive life ... how much better at it would intelligent life be?

I'm scaring myself now!

Borden.

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I find this thread very engaging.

I view these topics from a shamanic perspective, if we are aware enough we should be able to walk in and understand all these realms simultaneously. However, I have not fully reached that attainment (but am a very intuitive person):crazy

Interestingly, in my life I have found some things extremely comforting and have gravitated to them consistently...... Eucalyptus, Bay, chamomile, sage and tobbaco. If you are in need of "relief" these natural elements work.....don't know why, but they have shown to be expellers of sucubus types of energies over and over, regardless of my mindset or potential placebo positioning.

With my "awakening" I have come to look for tools to survive, first......

I also find that when I am in confusion, or feel really "heavy", I can go to a physical area where the only "mind" in proximity is mine....it seems that then I can clearly identify the energies attached to me and release them.

I sometimes use fishing as one of these activities that can shed unwanted energy (not actually fishing, just being in a physical position of some what mental remoteness, some where out on the water, isolated). And strange as it may seem, sailing seems to be a stronger tool then power boating. Though I enjoy both.

I realize these comments may seem lackluster compared to some....I am a believer of KISS, and try to view my world and my problems and my solutions through that looking glass.

Thanks again to everyone who contributes to this thread and forum. I respect and enjoy all the perspectives shared here!

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Thank you for the comments.
I don't know if you've read,,,but some folks and myself have included some of the same "relief" items you listed.
I agree. Keep it simple. Absolutely.
And sometimes,,,while speculating,,,we can create quite a mess of images that are hard to sew together in a cognant tapestry.
That's one of the reasons I really like BearCows first post where he simplified a lot of what I said into a coherant, easy to reference list.
If I could start this thread over,,,,I would get rid of all my speculating in my initial post(like the part about David Hudson's white powder gold(I've never actually taken it)),,,and base the thread off of bearcows list and extoll upon that using personal "experience" only.
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I'm into shamanic methods myself.
But ultimatly,,,it's all about trial and error,,,and not being afraid to move forward.
Though I bring up and believe there is some scary sh!t out there,,,,,the point I"m trying to make,,,is that this stuff is all around us interacting with us every moment of our waking and sleeping lives anyway,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so why not be more aware of it.
There is no reason to be afraid.
Being aware of the situation won't make you any more vulnerable to this stuff.
I know I said that the aspiring psychic has to deal with the fourth dimensionals as a result of activating his or her third eye.
But honestly,,,,now that I know what I'm dealing with,,,,,I can look back and see that this stuff has been intimatly associated with my life,,,well,,,,forever.
It's open dialogue like this,,,,where we exchange "experiences" and methods of protection that truelly help in my opinion.
And experimentation is how we are going to get there in my opinion.

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generally speaking most people who are natural mediums have a lot of yin chi in their makeup. Simply put, the astral realm can be thought of as a yin based continuum, while the physical realm is more yang. the more yin you are, the more you have of what they want to sustain. The reality of this is more complicated than just these broad statements, but this covers the basic guidelines to understand the overall dynamics of the situation

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What you say makes sense. But I don't really understand the difference between yin and yang energies as stated. Do you mean male and female energies?

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just like in this world karma must play itself out, all who wish to enter the heavenly realms will do so eventually, but the scales must be balanced. Complete absolution of past misdeeds by divine grace happens, but is not the norm. I am not a lord of karma so i wont presume to say i understand the dynamics of this fully.illusory chi is at the basis of all separation, but from their point of view they refuse help in the next world for as many different reasons as people in this world refuse to accept love into their life

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Yea,,,I don't know about Karma being played out when your dead. This I'm sure could be an interesting point of debate, but, I've heard it said that karma is no longer played out or paid after death.
Karma,,,,from what I've digested,,,,and I'll just give you my sources for this Michael Newton's "Journey of the soul" and Chelsea Quinn Yarbro's "The Michael Teachings".
I for one was actually kind of pissed off when I read in these instances that rude and ugly ghosts for one,,,are not incuring karma,,,when they do such messed up stuff as to cause night terrors when they infect themselves into your dreams,,,,,and do the old hag syndrom thing.
So,,,yea,,,,that's a debatable point.

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this group of earthbound spirits with addictions fit best with the classical description of a hungry ghost because the appetite of the po is stronger than the will of the conscious or semi conscious mind of the individual. In life the po makes them do things the conscious mind does not want to do, and this continues on after they die. Other earthbound spirits may decide to stay close to earth because of faulty logic concerning the afterlife and the nature of the self. This is more of a ego problem..

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Bro,,,I'm going to just let you know If I don't understand something. And I have no idea what po is. Atleast,,,I'm sure I don't understand it how your using it.
I completly agree with faulty logic, 100%. Most ghosts I've interacted with are just convinced they know everything there is to know about what is going on.
As a matter of fact,,,,and I'll try to get into this a little later,,,the number one thing I do that helps me get a ghost to cross over,,,,is to ask the ghost to "Acknowledge the possibility that they do not know everything" I don't tell it it's wrong,,,,I don't start preaching,,,,,I just try to repeat that one simple,,,,,fairly reasonable phrase,,,,,"acknowledge the possibility that you do not know everything".
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That's really all I do. After that,,,,I ask for a leap of faith. I tell them that "what if someone has been watching over you your entire life, and what if that someone wanted to talk to you right now,,,some one who loves you and cares for you" And at that point,,,,,,I always see a portal open up,,,,,,,,,always,,,,,it's ussually a pinkish color that floods the room. At this point I tell the ghost "what if? what if this person could tell you things you need to know? Is there any harm in talking to them?" At this point,,,,,I see the two beings entering in the portal,,and it then disspates. When I go through this,,,and get the finishing results,,,,,,,whatever energy I expended on the ghost has been,,,,,,,recharged. I don't know if it's the pinkish astral light coming through the higher portal,,,,or what,,,but I always feel as if I've lost absolutely no energy what so ever,,,and on the contrary,,,I seem to gain some.

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keep in mind that the unconscious aspect of your own astral body helps you form a recognizable image psychically of a entity in your presence. Also from my experience many non-human entities that wish to siphon off energy can assume a human form that will aid them in getting you to lower your defenses..

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I don't think that's the case with myself. I don't view a ghost with my third eye only,,,I empathize with them as well. As I mentioned in this thread I started and referenced earlier
Thread: How To See A Ghost For Your Self
When I'm viewing a ghost,,,and interacting with it,,,I practice a form of reiki,,,and project my energy into the ghost,,,and in so doing,,,the ghost takes shape.
I've witnessed non-human entities,,,and I'll devulge that tale when I get to the next topic heading on your list.
But,,,,,,,,I don't doubt this can happen at all,,,,and from what you say,,,you have had experiences,,,,I would love to hear them.
Sharing experiences like this,,,,this is top notch learning as far as I'm concerned. :)

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the picture above is of a tesseract or a hypercube . It is a three dimensional representation of a the four-dimensional analog of a cube. It is the closest thing that can be represented in three dimensional space of a 4d cube. It could be said that it is a unzipped version of a 4d object. When viewing or remembering 4d objects while in the physical realm, the unconscious mind automatically unzips a digestible version of a astral entity into the conscious mind that can be perceived in 3d terms. Our perception of a astral entity from the physical is never a complete and a fully accurate representation of a astral entity on it's own plane of existence..

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I appreciate your effort here,,,and please by all means, if this helps yourself out or anyone else out here than I applaude it.
But,,,I just want to share my personal reference of the phrase fourth dimension,,,and that is this.
I use it in an abstract sense only and it has no relationship what so ever to quantum physics or Einstienian theory.
I mention the fourth dimension as the astral plane,,,,and the fourth dimension in physics or Einstienian theory is time.
So there is no way I could be making a refernce that has anything to do with physics,,,or every time I mentioned the fourth dimension,,,,I would be saying that the astral parasites from time are coming to suck our energy,,,and that is not what I'm saying.
I think this webpage explains it best. The fourth dimension Astral Maya Maya

Thanks for your healthy feedback bearcow,,,and please,,,I hope you don't think I'm criticizing you or anything. We seem to agree on about 90% of this stuff,,and that in and of itself is amazing if you ask me.

Thank you, for this thread. Very inspirational. I wanted to share my experience with Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings. I have started to be more aware and see and differentiate more closely since the Credo Mutwa videos. I felt in one of them he described these higher dimensional parasites very clearly - that is my interpretation and my personal view. The alignment that presented itself to me was that in essence they are expert blackmailers, using "love" and other dings to buy into favors in order to blackmail and extract. Their essence is one of extraction, absorbtion, - like a vampire - and the thought combination that locks it in place is:
They need to be helped - but they cannot be helped. They're so "needy", "loving", whateverwhateverwhatever so they get you engaged helping - so they extract time, money, energy, thought. Creating my own boundaries in physical time, energy, space, thought space, thought energy, thought time has been a growing experience for myself, especially since nothing could latch on if there was nothing to latch on to - and that is my responsibility in unveiling for myself.
And then I can see with my inner eye this dark grey skinned ghoulish like ghost image appearing out of the body, like the overlord that keeps this mechanism in place. But it seems not easy to remove since the actual being is so weakened, almost nulled out, or absorbed. Pretty gross - but these frequencies are there with these engaging qualities. Nothing, BTW, that i ever encountered ever before in any meditation, technology. David Icke spoke about them some time ago and that was interesting. Please, comment

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Hi again Roseheart,

oh, and DNA, I'm not trying to hijack your great thread, this is on subject (I think),

I figured out years ago that spiders astral project. Yes, I know that sounds nuts, but I saw what I saw!

I was in a meditative state, and I saw one 'scouting'. Once I realised what I was seeing, I started to be able to see it regularly. They send out a version of themselves before going there. I've witnessed it, and in the same way that spiders tend to either freeze or scatter when you notice them, the astral spider does exactly the same.

This happened some years ago, but I still spot it regularly. Once seen ... difficult to unsee. A lot of the little blobs or flecks of shadow I see are spiders scouting, and I know this through long observation.

But it has made me think, and one of the things I think is that there may be all sorts of parasitic influences that are just ... pesky (to use a very American term). Not intelligent or evil, but just doing what they do. Perhaps the mind or even the physical brain are prone to parasitical things that are just what they are. If arachnids astral project, then what else can they do? And what other creatures may feed on energies we don't classify as 'real'? And maybe these are not sinister as in 'reptilian' sinister, but just natural.

I also think that the other stuff, the stuff that DNA details, is real. And you have to wonder, well, if this is a feature of primitive life ... how much better at it would intelligent life be?

I'm scaring myself now!

Borden.

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Borden,,,,experiential data is the best data of all in my opinion.
It was in the hopes of folks sharing their experience that I started this thread.
Folks can spin interpretations and regurgitate books available to all,,,but,,,,it's experirence from the casual practitioner I value highest of all.
I've never ever heard anything like what you speak of with these spiders astral projecting and scouting so to speak.
It's intriguing. :)
Thank you again.
Thank you for sharing your personal experience and information with us. :)

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Bro,,,I'm going to just let you know If I don't understand something. And I have no idea what po is. Atleast,,,I'm sure I don't understand it how your using it.

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the po is more or less what inelia calls the body intelligence

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,I always see a portal open up,,,,,,,,,always,,,,,it's ussually a pinkish color that floods the room. At this point I tell the ghost "what if? what if this person could tell you things you need to know? Is there any harm in talking to them?" At this point,,,,,I see the two beings entering in the portal,,and it then disspates. When I go through this,,,and get the finishing results,,,,,,,whatever energy I expended on the ghost has been,,,,,,,recharged. I don't know if it's the pinkish astral light coming through the higher portal,,,,or what,,,but I always feel as if I've lost absolutely no energy what so ever,,,and on the contrary,,,I seem to gain some.

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Sounds like the rose light of unconditional love. I use the word rose light as this is what the Rosicrucians call it, if you want to look into that. I would agree with your statement that you would gain more energy than you put into evoking it.

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I appreciate your effort here,,,and please by all means, if this helps yourself out or anyone else out here than I applaude it.
But,,,I just want to share my personal reference of the phrase fourth dimension,,,and that is this.
I use it in an abstract sense only and it has no relationship what so ever to quantum physics or Einstienian theory.
I mention the fourth dimension as the astral plane,,,,and the fourth dimension in physics or Einstienian theory is time.
So there is no way I could be making a refernce that has anything to do with physics

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there is a train of thought that can be pursued along these lines that allow the mind to explore a spacial relationship that exists in the astral that does not exist in the physical. Although the mind is not centered in the physical, it's sequential linear development is built around the physical brain and it's perception of physical events. If this model does not work for you, so be it. There are plenty of ways to get from point a to point b.

the astral is a subjective realm of forms, and unless they are buddha's, people who are completely free from illusion, no 2 viewers will see a object or entity exactly the same. Telling stories of events that happen to you and sharing events are worthwhile, but if you do not understand the underling principles of creation and how things interact, it will only lead to confusion.

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Negative Lower astral entities

A demon would generally fall into this class, as would other semi intelligent astral beings that willfully/deceitfully feed off of the corresponding elemental essence in a human being. The typical concept of a demon would feed the off unchecked fire within a human being that creates blood lust, murderous thoughts etc. I have never seen a reptilian as such, but if they do exist, i suppose they would be at the higher end of this spectrum. Just to note, beings in this class are intelligent/powerful enough that they can assume any form they wish to try to deceive you.

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Encounter with a Vampire

I had an experience a few years back where a person had told me that they "knew" for a fact that they were "saved" so to speak by an animal totem that had merged with them. This experience was quite powerful for I felt at the time, and I still do that this animal totem this person spoke of either itself or one like it tried to merge with me.
This is not a fuzzy feel good story for it seems although this animal totem gave certain protections to their host they seemed to seek to feed on the energy of those around the host and as such turn the host into a sort of vampire.

This is an experience where I feel an astral entity attempted to form a symbiotic bond with me.
I began a correspondence with Jonathan Zap (e-mail) at the end of 2003. At the time I was heavily into this idea of there being a non-organic, non-physical energy oriented life forms. Zap did a show with Jonathan Grey on this subject on coast to coast in 06.
Zap is a very cerebral guy, and he was very influential in helping me explore/understand and categorize this phenomenon. Zap has some excellent first hand experience with energy parasites including an encounter with a parasite possessed human, making that human a vampire, found here Mind Parasites,Energy Parasites and Vampires.

So now I will tell my story which I feel was the attempt of a fourth dimensional astral entity attempting to make an attachment with me and thus turn me into a form of vampire.
So, I started working at this call center/phone modem tech, temp company in march of 07. I was in a training class, and as training classes go, you make friends hang out at lunch, that kind of thing.

I made an aquaintance, and,in so far as the story goes, I believe Darren, was home to a parasite of greater strength, tenacity and permanence than I'm used to encountering.

He (Darren) was quite the character, he was like a guy from the wrong time period, he wore long black riding boots, had long lustrous hair, he wore non-collared long sleeve white cotton button shirts that gave him a bit of a pirate look. He was muscular about 6'2 and looked like he could take care of himself in a fight.
As a guy you can't help but to gauge these kinds of things.

Darren lacked the ability to engage, and I know that sounds weird, but, in a conversation, I tend to value those who can engage, and though we had lots in common, and we talked quite a bit, he never really engaged with me, or if you will, in a Celestine Prophecy esque meaning, he never opened up energetically.

Zap states in his personal encounters with people like this, that folks tend to tell you if they are a vampire, you just have to listen and believe them when they let you know. Now on this note I could tell you that Darren went on and on about playing this vampire RPG game called Kindrid the Gathering, and that is a little clue I feel Darren was giving me about who he was. Darren would become amazingly animated (much more so than normal) when telling the tales of his RPG game, and it was almost as if he felt like he was allowed to express that he really, identified with being a vampire.

On our last day of class, we were all coming back from our last break of the day, and getting ready to take the last test of the training class, the instructor was late coming back and I was talking to Darren which turned into a very engaging conversation.
He asked me about a turtle necklace I was wearing.
I told him it was my animal totem, joking I thought. He became serious, and for the first time, rather engaging. He asked if I believe in animal totems. I told him that thousands of years of shamanic practice lend some backing in my opinion.

He then went into this rant, when people want to tell a story, I have no problem with giving them my energy via attention, and I even have this cool ability to zero in on a place in the aura where the memories being shared are stored and focus in on that area, embuing this area in the aura with more energy and thus giving the story more energy to be told. Giving the story teller more energy and ability to tell their story.
In hindsight I now think I was also giving a certain entity dwelling in Darren my energy and this entity noticed me and was soon to give me a personal visit.



Darren told me about how he believed he had an animal totem, a cat or panther like totem. He said he felt it had saved him from the same fate as his siblings. He said without it, he knew he would have went the way of his two brothers and two sisters, who were drug addicted and homeless or in prison.

Darren and his siblings were the victims of horrible physical and sexual abuse from their father. Darren told me things that were truly terrible, beatings that would break bones and sexual abuse that he admitted he had received as well as his brothers and sisters.
Darren acknowledged this as the reason for his siblings having their problems, and stated he was repeating their exact behavior until one fateful day when he was approached by what he termed a panther like entity.

He said he felt a force or living being asking to live in him (he was very adamant about it), and he said "yes" to the entity asking to live in him, then feeling an indwelling force that he cited had changed him and continues to change him to this day. This indwelling force, made him feel stronger, more focused, he said he no longer felt the same craving for drugs and alcohol like his brothers and sisters did.
By now we were in the class, given notes for the test and given time to study.


Darren had worked there before, and he didn't need to study.
And he wouldn't stop talking about this subject.
I say he wouldn't stop because I needed to study and told him so trying in a polite manner to get him to shut up.
But he went on and on, saying this cat like totem lived on in him, and that he never wanted drugs again or needed to drink again.
He said his addictive vices were gone.
Now I could see part of the problem was that he was getting kind of high on the energy I had given him and I tried to pull back now, but he seemed to not want to let me.

So the test ends and I go home, that night I had this dream.
In the dream I received a call from Jonathan Zap and I answered it on an outside payphone, he was telling me that someone was coming I thought this meant that he had a friend who needed a place to stay. He was telling me about a traveling circus that was coming to my town and someone from the circus was going to come to my apartment. This traveling circus was complete with caged animals, circus performers and all the workers who make an event like this possible. One of the accompanying performers was going to be paying me a visit.

I took it that this was Jonathon Zap's friend, and I told him any friend of his was welcome to stay at my place, Jonathon was breaking up on the phone but I was sure that this must be why he was calling so I yelled into the receiver that his friend was welcome at my place.
He then told me I should be careful of who I allow to stay in my place and that I should really think it over.
I took this as him being to shy to ask for his friend and told him nonsense, his friend could stay with me.
He again protested, and I told him I had to go.

I was then in my apartment, answering a knock on the door, and it was a young thirty year old man with a dufflebag, he was a sturdy thin gentleman, wearing warm baggy clothes with short black curly hair, he looked Greek or Roman, but very contemporary.

I invited him in, and told him to make himself at home.
I told him I had some errands I had to run and I left him in the apartment.
This is all still a dream and I then returned to my apartment some time later.

When I came back in, I saw the man with two children bound in a chair, this man was torturing these children with a drill. He was removing their teeth with no anesthetic while they were awake.
I was in horror. I was in shock. I mean for a dream, I was really feeling the impact of this horror. It was as if this was all really happening, and the children were as alive and important as any child I would see while waking.
As I stood, not knowing what to do, the man nodded to me, as if he would be done in a second, and for me to just wait a minute and watch.

I screamed obscenities at him, due to the adrenaline dump I was experiencing I was not making much sense but I demanded him to leave.
He stopped what he was doing, and told me he was doing this for me.
I failed to articulate a response and motioned for him to leave and then I told him again to leave.
He stopped what he was doing and seemed to understand, he then looked me in the eye and said that I would be better off if I allowed him to continue. He had this knowing look in his eyes he looked very genuine. His eyes had a knowing in them and empathy, it was weird that a person engaged in such psychopathic behavior would be capable of showing engaging empathy at a time like this, but he did.

I then knew what he meant.
The apartment represented me, the apartment we were in was my body and my energy field. The children represented lesser parasites attached to me, these children wished to appear to me in a manner that would trigger the strongest emotional reaction so as to defend them.
The man in my apartment told me in my mind that he couldn't kill the parasites, but he could torture them until they decided to leave on their own.
He was a Rex parasite or King parasite if you will, basically he would rid the host of all other energy parasites but I knew not what HIS DEMANDS or tax would be.
He genuinely seemed to believe his presence would benefit me.
He told me to think about it.
I don't know why he appeared to me to be human and appeared to Darren as a cat like creature.
I was crying at this point in the dream and told him to leave. And he did.
Next thing, I was on the outside pay phone with Jonathan Zap and he was chastising me for letting this guy in my apartment when he had warned me against doing so. And though I was going to blame him for the whole thing, I realized then that he(Jonathan Zap) had tried to warn me.
I woke up from the dream with tears on my face, very strange for tears in a dream to correspond to actual tears going down my actual face.
I woke up with the sense that there was a presence in the bed room with me. A powerful presence was in my room. Had the animal totem/energy parasite of Darren followed me home from work and attempted to make a new home, a new home of myself or had a creature like it been told of me and this creature found me in the astral plane as I slept?

I did not accept the deal offered, to exchange lesser parasites feeding on my energy for a Rex or King parasite that would protect my being and energy field but probably feed on the others around me.
What would you have done?


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Is this the deal of animal totems?

Do animal totems help the person they are connected with at the expense of others?

Or was this something different, something ancient and turning the human into a vampire?

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Impossible to say unless you know more about the nature of being you're interacting with. it probably wants to feed off the the corresponding elemental essence within you that it needs. Stuff like this happens for sure, Ive heard stories about gangs in hong kong that cut deals with animal spirits in order to temporally gain powers to defeat their foes. sounds like Darren cut a similar deal.

quick question to those who know

somebody said if you have more yang energy, then it becomes harder for beings to feed of you
but intutives or astral players, see'ers have more yin energy.

so how does this work....... which energies should you develop
(I'm going with the Inelia assumption that, all beings on a correct/continuing evolutionary path, will develop/get all other abilities)


I don't work with yin-yang in my spiritual physiology,
but I have found this term of "lower dimensional parasites" useful,
as I've noticed 'thought switches'....i.e. you in one mode with x decision paths in that mode,..... and then you have a mode switch (when u smoking a cig of something), and you wonder how you were in the previous mode.

Very useful,......as an intellectual, and for the intellectuals, I thank you guys.

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develop both, the more balanced you you are in your energy makeup, the more in harmony you will become with the outside world. Problems arise when some are either too yin or yang in your energy structure and how they view reality. some quick examples.

Psychopaths,Narcissistic behavior- Too much yang
schizophrenic, paranoid -too much yin
Obsessive–compulsive & overly dependent types- not enough yin

also in some personality types it is not the quantity or lack/excess of energy but the quality of energy is the major disturbance and does not express itself in balance with nature.

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Thank you, for this thread. Very inspirational. I wanted to share my experience with Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings. I have started to be more aware and see and differentiate more closely since the Credo Mutwa videos. I felt in one of them he described these higher dimensional parasites very clearly - that is my interpretation and my personal view. The alignment that presented itself to me was that in essence they are expert blackmailers, using "love" and other dings to buy into favors in order to blackmail and extract. Their essence is one of extraction, absorbtion, - like a vampire - and the thought combination that locks it in place is:
They need to be helped - but they cannot be helped. They're so "needy", "loving", whateverwhateverwhatever so they get you engaged helping - so they extract time, money, energy, thought. Creating my own boundaries in physical time, energy, space, thought space, thought energy, thought time has been a growing experience for myself, especially since nothing could latch on if there was nothing to latch on to - and that is my responsibility in unveiling for myself.
And then I can see with my inner eye this dark grey skinned ghoulish like ghost image appearing out of the body, like the overlord that keeps this mechanism in place. But it seems not easy to remove since the actual being is so weakened, almost nulled out, or absorbed. Pretty gross - but these frequencies are there with these engaging qualities. Nothing, BTW, that i ever encountered ever before in any meditation, technology. David Icke spoke about them some time ago and that was interesting. Please, comment

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Hi Eva08,,,
Your encounter was fascinating.
I think one of the ways that these parasites stay hidden from us,,,is that there is no one size fits all explanation for them.
Not in terms of their appearance, nor in their specific manipulations of us humans in wanting to get our energy.
It would seem their methods for milking us humans for our energy are varied and alternating.
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I for one am not familiar at all with astral parasites using sweetness or love as a tool to get us to give to them.
It is interesting how you speak of an overlord,,,and to this I have some experience.
I have witnessed what I call a shadow being feeding on me,,and specifically,,,feeding on my sexual energy.
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I haven't talked about it yet,,,but,,,I'm supposing tonight or tomorrow I'll sit down and jot the experience down.
Shadow beings are not ghosts,,,,they are the absence of light. I had one appearing right in from of me,,,I thought it was a ghost,,,and I was reiki esque feediing it energy out of the palms of my hands.
This was in 04'.
This being cannot be seen by using the front vision,,as silly as it sounds,,,I had to keep moving my head from side to side,,,peering from the corners of my eyes.
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The reason I relate your story to shadow beings,,,is your mention of an "overlord seeing over all the mechanations".
I actually engaged in a dialogue with the shadow being I was feeding energy too.
I was attempting to talk it into passing over,,,,like it was a ghost.
This was not working.
It was not a ghost.
It conveyed it's fear of other entities like itself,,,,over itself,,,,,with more power than itself.
I then recieved the distinct impression,,,,,of this being having a line or filiament attached to me,,,that it used to find me where ever I went.
I then saw in my mind that this being had filiaments attached to him,,,and those beings had filiaments attached to them,,,,,upwards and upwards,,,creating a parasitic pyramid scheme if you will.
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I personally don't see anything reptilian about these beings,,,,these shadow beings,,,but,,,,they do seem to match exactly what Carlos Castaneda talked about when he called them mud shadows.
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My question is, what would the Rex parasite want?

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Impossible to say unless you know more about the nature of being you're interacting with. it probably wants to feed off the the corresponding elemental essence within you that it needs. Stuff like this happens for sure, Ive heard stories about gangs in hong kong that cut deals with animal spirits in order to temporally gain powers to defeat their foes. sounds like Darren cut a similar deal.

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It very well could be an elemental essence as you say. But it is worth noting that a similiar story is told by a man named Jonathan Zap, and in this story, he talks about a young man who said while reflecting that he might be a vampire, in it, he allows the young man to sleep in his winnebeggo for the night when the weather turns bad. Sleeping in close proximity, Jonathan awoke to an entity feeding on him that was housed and emanating from the young man. Mind Parasites,Energy Parasites and Vampires

I think it may be possible for more evolved energy parasites to form a symbiosis with us. The symbiosis aspect is that they rid us of lesser parasites, but, what they get in return is the energy of other people you interact with. Turning you into a sort of energy vampire for them.

I completely agree. The rex/element is symbiotic. I have an understanding of a energy that is linked to me by a filament or an astral line.

Sometimes I view it as a parasite, when it feeds off of my sexual energy(not pornographic but the energy when two people are excited by eachother). It will Always come and devour a very specific energy, and only that energy.

Sometimes I view it has a part of myself, saving myself from ruin. In this case, it may be parasitic but it could also be helping me avoid certain relationships. Hard to tell.

I believe there are many such elements tied to me, each one different. Some can be released, some just sent to the corner for a time out.

Ok,

so I got an invitation to jump in on this discussion, which is kind of exciting for me. After reading through many of the posts I tried to sit with my own thoughts and feelings about this and figure out what I might have to contribute.

The first time I encountered the concept that human beings were being used as food/slaves for other entities, was in the Castaneda books. While reading the books, I didn't feel like I was receiving intellectual information. I felt like reality and experience were being described to me, and I experimented for myself to see how what was being described to me applied to my own, real, experience. The description of being enslaved, or used as a food source, made immediate sense to me. I looked around and saw how we live, how we think, and it just made sense.

Later, I read a book about Gurdjiev (don't remember how to spell his name), also known as G. He was another mystic who came out of Eastern Europe/Russia, maybe Armenia, and in reading his description of the world, he also mentioned that humanity was put into a state of waking slumber, in order to prey on human energy as a food source/resource. Like anything, I looked for repetitions. If I could find many references to this concept, and compare it to my own experiences, then I could accept it as true. The more I looked, the more references I found. Then the Matrix came out and basically repeated verbatim, what people like Don Juan/Castaneda were saying. The only variation was the whole machine thing. Then David Icke started talking about it, and mentioning the reptillians, and on and on it went.

All this to say that I definitely believe that human beings have been appropriated as a food source/resource/slave colony. There is no doubt about that for me. I also agree that the way we are most profoundly derailed into being slaves, is through psychology/psychic/thought. Interesting to note that the Russians approach psychic phenomena as an extension of psychology. Anyway, this according to what I have learned about Systema, which is a Russian Martial Art that focuses very heavily on psychology/energy/nervous system.

My analysis of our situation, is that we are duped into getting sucked. If I put myself in the mindset of a predator/parasite of this kind, I would have to find beings who were weak or compromised. A structure that has integrity/strength/alignment, is not easily corruptible or exploitable. In kinesthetic terms, tension equals weakness. What I mean by that, and it can be confusing, is that if you know what you are doing, it is possible to exploit a person's structure in their weakest points, which will always be the points where they hold the most tension. The more relaxed and supple a structure, the harder it is to break the structure (I'm talking about human bodies). Our nervous systems are wired for co-operation. Our systems pick up tension in other systems, and that causes our systems to also get tense. If you know what you're doing, that can be exploited, especially if you have the ability to remain relaxed, while creating tension in the other.

How this relates to this discussion, is that essentially the parasites of humanity exploit us by creating tension in our systems. They have tension/pain/negative resonance, and through contact with them, they create the same tension in us. For most of us, tension is an automatic response. It takes time to condition the body and the self to remain relaxed, even in the face of severe trauma. But, for those who learn how to do it, any kind of attacks that are unleashed on them can be exploited, and the tension applied to them can be used against the attacker.

So, following this line of thought, in order to feed on us, they have to get us to abandon our structural integrity, which is very much informed by love and understanding. What I'm trying to say, is that I believe our predators whether organic or inorganic (which I believe both exist) have to weaken us before they can appropriate us. How they do that, is that they isolate us, and keep us from connecting with each other. Once isolated and deprived of nourishment, love, affection, and community, it is much easier to create tension in a persons system, because the nervous system is already tense.

I believe that much of our sense of ourselves, including our self love and worth, is developed through our experiences with others. I believe that this is for a good and functional reason. We are units of consciousness, individuated, but aware of our connection and interdependence. It's the indigenous view that we are a part of an ecology, and by cultivating harmonious relationships, by learning the cycles and rhythms of the many, diverse beings that are part of our world, we create abundance. The key is relationship. That is to say, we are not designed to be isolated, island automatons. Therefore, it makes sense to me that we derive our sense of worth based on how we feel about ourselves, which is also heavily influenced by how others feel about us. People who are seldom encouraged and shown love, have a very difficult time feeling a sense of self worth.

My point is, that our entire world psychology is based on isolation. When I look at history, I see a very deliberate attempt to stamp out and irradicate all forms of social technology that would enable us to hold each other in a sacred way. Because we were born into a world of isolation, where our creative capacities are discouraged and attacked, where we have to manipulate and lie in order to survive, where we have to justify our existence by making a living, where we are trained to objectify each other, we are in a perpetual state of malnourishment and stress. This makes us very easy targets.

People who are loved in the sense that they have people around them who care for them, they have opportunities to express their gifts and create joy in their lives based on what empassions them, and they have a lot of affection in their lives, aren't desperate, and therefore not malnourished (not just in the food sense), and therefore their nervous systems are fairly relaxed. Those people are far less, perhaps impervious, to the kinds of attacks and subsequent subjugation of parasites.

What I am saying in a very long winded way, is that I believe love is really the big remedy from preventing parasites from feeding on us. And when I say love, what is love. I mean, when we recreate community, show each other affection, solidarity, and support, and reclaim our creative inheritances, parasites won't have anything to hold onto. Their offers, however overt or subtle, whether in the energy body or physical world, simply won't have a place to hook into.

Our best response to hate, is love. And love is a natural byproduct of structural integrity. Structural integrity is achieved by strengthening and nourishing the system. Since we are parts of a whole, we need each other. We need to feel accepted, loved, and important (as in we matter in our communities), in order to feel nourished. I believe that solidarity and action based love is our prime defense/answer. This can then, of course, include a variety of techniques, including various energetic/shamanic practices. My concern, is that techniques don't really have much efficacy without wisdom, and that wisdom, to me, is love. I don't just mean sending someone love, or telling someone that they are loved. I mean, working to produce in another the experience of being loved. Acceptance, importance, and affection are key ingredients.

With a strong community that stands in solidarity, and utilizes the gifts and imaginations of its members, where people feel cherished, parasites can't really gain a foothold. In order for our minds to be appropriated, we have to first be isolated, and weak. I understand that there is a whole other side to this argument, in that people's thoughts and emotions can be tampered with, but I do believe that a strong, loving, creative, community that stands in solidarity is the best answer.

For me, the Coconut Revolution is a prime example of that. You can check it out on youtube. It's a story of how a group of indigenous people threw out their parasitic overlords (Miners, military, and government in their case).

I believe this is our task now. To help each other out of isolation. To walk through our own fears, doubts, hurts, betrayals, and inch our way towards each other, to learn, re-learn, how to give each other the opportunities we need to express the gifts, and the hurts that are inside us within a supportive circle of loving community. Maybe not even a circle. Maybe a spiral.

The world of the shaman, the world of the interdimensional traveler, the world of human/non human, organic/inorganic, is fascinating, complex, vast, and as dangerous as any other realm in our existence. For all of its wonder, splendor, awe, and terror, it doesn't necessarily get us any closer to transcending these states which we, on some level, must believe can be transcended. In the end, I believe that love is at the very least, a vital resource which we are not employing the full extent possible.

We talk about clean energy/free energy. Love is a clean energy that has so much potential in terms of giving us the capitol to claim our humanity back from our parasitic overlords. It is a technology, and an energy source that can be mined. This, I believe to be are task. Within the umbrella of love, all our techniques become imbued with wisdom. When I say love, I mean the experience, not the concept.

It's simple, but not...

For me it comes down to how we relate.

Those are my thoughts.

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Posted by Armen

Ok,

So, following this line of thought, in order to feed on us, they have to get us to abandon our structural integrity, which is very much informed by love and understanding. What I'm trying to say, is that I believe our predators whether organic or inorganic (which I believe both exist) have to weaken us before they can appropriate us. How they do that, is that they isolate us, and keep us from connecting with each other. Once isolated and deprived of nourishment, love, affection, and community, it is much easier to create tension in a persons system, because the nervous system is already tense.

I believe that much of our sense of ourselves, including our self love and worth, is developed through our experiences with others. I believe that this is for a good and functional reason. We are units of consciousness, individuated, but aware of our connection and interdependence. It's the indigenous view that we are a part of an ecology, and by cultivating harmonious relationships, by learning the cycles and rhythms of the many, diverse beings that are part of our world, we create abundance. The key is relationship. That is to say, we are not designed to be isolated, island automatons. Therefore, it makes sense to me that we derive our sense of worth based on how we feel about ourselves, which is also heavily influenced by how others feel about us. People who are seldom encouraged and shown love, have a very difficult time feeling a sense of self worth.

My point is, that our entire world psychology is based on isolation. When I look at history, I see a very deliberate attempt to stamp out and irradicate all forms of social technology that would enable us to hold each other in a sacred way. Because we were born into a world of isolation, where our creative capacities are discouraged and attacked, where we have to manipulate and lie in order to survive, where we have to justify our existence by making a living, where we are trained to objectify each other, we are in a perpetual state of malnourishment and stress. This makes us very easy targets.

People who are loved in the sense that they have people around them who care for them, they have opportunities to express their gifts and create joy in their lives based on what empassions them, and they have a lot of affection in their lives, aren't desperate, and therefore not malnourished (not just in the food sense), and therefore their nervous systems are fairly relaxed. Those people are far less, perhaps impervious, to the kinds of attacks and subsequent subjugation of parasites......

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For me it comes down to how we relate.

Those are my thoughts.

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Hi Armen

Thank you for joining the discussion, I enjoyed your thoughts greatly!

I believe the core you are describing is the core issue for all of us, spiritual isolation from each other allows for us to be controlled. And love is the answer, always. I am speaking of a higher communal "love" as you said "the experience" not the concept of love. But either one really is a good place to start!

To take this discussion one step farther down the rabbit hole.......

I and others in this forum have come to understand that our thoughts are not always "ours", and we can be mentally attacked by technology and other energies.

My description of how this happens ties to this discussion.

Here is my interpretation of one such methodology which I feel is commonly employed by "something".

A energy is transmitted to a geographic region, that energy has a vibrational frequency that can be broad or very finite. That frequency is based on DNA, and that is how it is defined, you will be affected if your DNA matches the target frequency, you will "sync" with the frequency.

The frequency that I have noticed the most, targets a part of your brain that creates tension in your mind, like a trigger, the tension then spreads mentally through the individuals personal weaknesses creating unfounded fear and anxiety. If you recognize this happening, bunker down and remember that connection with family and friends makes you stronger and more "relaxed".

The first step is identifying when this is happening,.......... generally the items of "stress" that this frequency exasperated do not have that much importance on a normal day. In this way you can identify if you are being forced into fear by an external element. For example, when a friend does not call, like they said they would.........it should not make you feel bad, or angry,...there is most likely a reasonable reason, you just have not learned it yet. Not the best example, but I think you get the point, analyse your feelings, are they really how you normally behave?

I have experimented with many things trying to "shield" myself when I feel this happening. I have found a little herb can really help, but too much makes you weaker! (if you understand "wake'n' bake" you know what I mean). A mix of Chamomile and peppermint tea help, burning sage, breath eucalyptus and or bay leave essence, remove your shoe and socks and put your feet onto the ground (literally ground yourself), the sand at the beach is my favorite.

anyway......thanks for listening:cool:

its been a few years since i read carlos. (15years)

and all these years i have been aware of some kind of shadow following me in my spiritual awakenings.

it feeds on our negative thoughts.
so i tried to baned this negative thoughts. years of practicing didn't work.

9 years ago after the birth of my daughter something special happened to me.
i felt something was placed outside of me. it was a notion that i wasn't the most important person in this world anymore.
it gave me room to explore the emptiness of my mind. which was a natural state after this change of being

the negative thoughts still floats into my mind, but it has no connection to my own feelings anymore.

2 years ago i had a big break trough in fighting these 4th dimension shadow, ghouls.
i had tried to "push" them away with willpower. that won't work.
so one time when i felt great, i raised my energy to a level i could use my "light body hands" to grab the shadow creature.
and hold it in front of me. i felt its fear. with one hand i opened a black whole and let it "suck up" the shadow creature.

it was gone for weeks. and i felt wonderful. lots of energy.

but it didn't last for long. i cleared out a child like shadow.
my "clearing action" called attention to "daddy shadow ghoul".
which has taken its place.

its so strong that it blackens my whole spiritual view
now 2 years later im sick, totall loss of energy.
i think it has to do with this whole story.

a healer im seeing now, came with this tip:

http://www.tricycle.com/-practice/fe...emons?page=0,0

it works! but i have a lot work to do....

thanks for all the inspiring words.