Conference aims to normalize pedophilia
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If a small group of psychiatrists and other mental health professionals have their way at a conference this week, pedophiles themselves could play a role in removing pedophilia from the American Psychiatric Association’s bible of mental illnesses — the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), set to undergo a significant revision by 2013. Critics warn that their success could lead to the decriminalization of pedophilia.
The August 17 Baltimore conference is sponsored by B4U-ACT, a group of pro-pedophile mental health professionals and sympathetic activists. According to the conference brochure, the event will examine “ways in which minor-attracted persons [pedophiles] can be involved in the DSM 5 revision process” and how the popular perceptions of pedophiles can be reframed to encourage tolerance.
Researchers from Harvard University, the Johns Hopkins University, the University of Louisville, and the University of Illinois will be among the panelists at the conference.
B4U-ACT has been active attacking the APA’s definition of pedophilia in the run up to the conference, denouncing its description of “minor-attracted persons” as “inaccurate” and “misleading” because the current DSM links pedophilia with criminality.
“It is based on data from prison studies, which completely ignore the existence of those who are law-abiding,” said Howard Kline, science director of B4U-ACT, in a July 25, 2011 press release. “The proposed new diagnostic criteria specify ages and frequencies with no scientific basis whatsoever.”
The press release announced a letter the group sent to the APA criticizing its approach, and inviting its leaders to participate in the August 17 conference. “The DSM should meet a higher standard than that,” Kline continued. “We can help them, because we are the people they are writing about.”
APA spokeswoman Erin Connors told The Daily Caller in an emailed statement that her organization was not participating in the conference and would not comment on its aims.
Child advocate Dr. Judith Reisman, a visiting professor at Liberty University’s School of Law, said the conference is part of a strategy to condition people into accepting pedophiles.
“The first thing they do is to get the public to divest from thinking of what the offender does criminally, to thinking of the offender’s emotional state, to think of him as thinking of his emotional state, [and] to empathize and sympathize,” Reisman said. “You don’t change the nation in one fell swoop; you have to change it by conditioning. The aim is to get them [pedophiles] out of prison.”
According to Reisman, empirical data show that pedophiles typically molest many children before finally being caught.
“The data on paroled pedophiles confirms these predators repeat their crimes against children and are known to have escalated them even to murder,” Reisman said.
Several speakers at the August 17 conference, including B4U-ACT director of operations Dr. Richard Kramer and conference keynote speaker Dr. Fred Berlin, of the Johns Hopkins University, have actively opposed sex offender notification laws.
“What purpose does calling someone a ‘pervert’ or ‘predator’ serve anyway, other than to express contempt and hatred?” Kramer wrote in a March 14, 2009 blog entry on the website ReformSexOffenderLaws.org. “How is this productive? It certainly doesn’t protect children. I would urge all SO [sex offender] activists to listen to their own message: Stop buying into and promoting false stereotypes. Stop demonizing a whole class of people, and start learning the facts.”
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http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/15/co...ze-pedophilia/
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Whew!!! That's a tough one! I once crossed paths with a pedophile as a child, and I know that today (or at least 15 years ago, the last I heard of him) he roams free. That pedophiles don't belong in jail, I tend to agree. They belong in a mental facility, where they can be treated for their condition. There has been research about chemical castration, which seems promising.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration
But as for any criminal, in my own humble opinion, the key word is "help". Not "we'll lock you up like a dog in a cage and leave you to fend for yourself in a terribly violent environment". I'm thinking that would be even less costly that jail!
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Once you've gone through that article: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post284742
You may realize whose payroll these psychiatrists are on...
That's pure CIA -- and the likes-- population control at work!
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Whew!!! That's a tough one! I once crossed paths with a pedophile as a child, and I know that today (or at least 15 years ago, the last I heard of him) he roams free. That pedophiles don't belong in jail, I tend to agree. They belong in a mental facility, where they can be treated for their condition. There has been research about chemical castration, which seems promising.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration
But as for any criminal, in my own humble opinion, the key word is "help". Not "we'll lock you up like a dog in a cage and leave you to fend for yourself in a terribly violent environment". I'm thinking that would be even less costly that jail!
Have you ever asked a child what it's like to be in a 'relationship' against her/his will with a paedophile?
The pope of some years ago made a young girl who had been murdered a saint because she fought against her paedophile. So death is the only alternative, if you are a catholic?
Paedophilia is totally destructive and probably the worst thing that can happen to a child. It completely turns the mind.
Chemical castration? Maybe a small island some distance away from temptation would be better.
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Nathalie
Whew!!! That's a tough one! I once crossed paths with a pedophile as a child, and I know that today (or at least 15 years ago, the last I heard of him) he roams free. That pedophiles don't belong in jail, I tend to agree. They belong in a mental facility, where they can be treated for their condition. There has been research about chemical castration, which seems promising.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration
But as for any criminal, in my own humble opinion, the key word is "help". Not "we'll lock you up like a dog in a cage and leave you to fend for yourself in a terribly violent environment". I'm thinking that would be even less costly that jail!
Have you ever asked a child what it's like to be in a 'relationship' against her/his will with a paedophile?
The pope of some years ago made a young girl who had been murdered a saint because she fought against her paedophile. So death is the only alternative, if you are a catholic?
Paedophilia is totally destructive and probably the worst thing that can happen to a child. It completely turns the mind.
Chemical castration? Maybe a small island some distance away from temptation would be better.
I like the ''ex'' paedophiles the best.
Uncle Sidious is not as forgiving as some and is even prepared to carry the karma for it.
There is NO excuse for the predators who prey on the weak and defenceless.
That is why god invented lightsabres.
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Yes, me too. While I try to be a 'better' person this is one place I have not been able to move forward. Having heard many stories from friends and acquaintances of how they were 'interfered with' as a child by respectively a doctor, a methodist preacher and an uncle, I have witnessed the psychological and emotional upheaval it caused. All my sympathy is for the victim. I also understand that paedophilia is a condition that cannot be cured - unless there is new research on this. I did listen to an interesting report on BBC Radio 4 how some convicted paedophiles were being mentored by members of the public (I guess the same sort of noble souls who do prison visiting) and that there was a sharp decline in re-offending. I don't think this was because they were cured though I believe it was because these people usually have no-one 'norma'l to turn to and keep them on the straight and narrow.
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Nathalie
Whew!!! That's a tough one! I once crossed paths with a pedophile as a child, and I know that today (or at least 15 years ago, the last I heard of him) he roams free. That pedophiles don't belong in jail, I tend to agree. They belong in a mental facility, where they can be treated for their condition. There has been research about chemical castration, which seems promising.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration
But as for any criminal, in my own humble opinion, the key word is "help". Not "we'll lock you up like a dog in a cage and leave you to fend for yourself in a terribly violent environment". I'm thinking that would be even less costly that jail!
Have you ever asked a child what it's like to be in a 'relationship' against her/his will with a paedophile?
The pope of some years ago made a young girl who had been murdered a saint because she fought against her paedophile. So death is the only alternative, if you are a catholic?
Paedophilia is totally destructive and probably the worst thing that can happen to a child. It completely turns the mind.
Chemical castration? Maybe a small island some distance away from temptation would be better.
Like I said, I have crossed paths with a paedophile as a child. It doesn't change my view today. They do belong somewhere where they can't hurt anyone, but I maintain that jail isn't the answer because it doesn't do anything to solve the problem other than being locked up.
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Anyway, I'm done discussing this, it's the one untouchable subject where objectivity can never match the emotionality of it... I'm outta here, before I get burned at the stake!
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I like the ''ex'' paedophiles the best.
Uncle Sidious is not as forgiving as some and is even prepared to carry the karma for it.
There is NO excuse for the predators who prey on the weak and defenceless.
That is why god invented lightsabres.
I'm so with you on this Lord Sidious, NO excuses. The child is the victim not the predator.
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Anyway, I'm done discussing this, it's the one untouchable subject where objectivity can never match the emotionality of it... I'm outta here, before I get burned at the stake!
That's the trouble with the written word. It can come across more emotional than the intention.
To me, it's not an untouchable subject. I truly feel it should be discussed more and not be taboo. I agree that banging them up is not the answer. So kindly let me know where I have not been objective, if it is me that the above comment applies to, and I will learn from your response.
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Nathalie
Whew!!! That's a tough one! I once crossed paths with a pedophile as a child, and I know that today (or at least 15 years ago, the last I heard of him) he roams free. That pedophiles don't belong in jail, I tend to agree. They belong in a mental facility, where they can be treated for their condition. There has been research about chemical castration, which seems promising.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration
But as for any criminal, in my own humble opinion, the key word is "help". Not "we'll lock you up like a dog in a cage and leave you to fend for yourself in a terribly violent environment". I'm thinking that would be even less costly that jail!
Chemical castration may work.
I´m sure pedophiles know that they can end up in jail in a terrible violent enviroment if they rape a little kid. So there are no excuses about where they should be if they commit the crime. They know the end result.
I think if they want help they should ask for it, not given to them in a mental hospital because probably they don´t want it.
Many different views here, it´s ok to express them, not one should grill you Nathalie
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I also believe paedophilia is a disease. But with this disease, the suffering and misery is borne by another person- the victim. The victims are children who are unable to defend themselves against the sick mind of the paedophile. I have always believed there is a special place in hell for anyone who abuses or torments the young, old or physically/mentally challenged in this world.
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While I agree this is among the most unforgivable of crimes against humanity ... there is another consideration not mentioned.
At least with the "bloodlines" many have been brought up from birth under the most horrific conditions ... well beyond the scope of "normal" people's imaginations. MKUltra types.
If ever there was a case for "not guilty by means of insanity" that would be it. Is it even possible to overcome a lifetime of physical, emotional and mental torture by those who have become totally proficient due, in part, to the global system paying for all manners of experimentation??? When your own mother and father, those whom we expect to have the most faith in, are either the ones inflicting the torture or at least allowing others to do so???
Consider the recent case of the Iranian woman whose face was badly disfigured from an acid attack yet "forgave" her attacker and in essence spared his life. Well ... that would be possible from having a "normal" lifetime leading up to that event. What if you know no other "reality" than what some of these people suffer from the very outset of life? Impossible for any of us to "walk in their shoes".
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i do think pedophila is a disease to, but out of personal experience i think they should stay as far away from all living creatures. Some can feel when a kid they were using "wisen's" up and now knows what they are doing is anything but being loving and may expose them, they will go to the parents or whoever takes care of the child, and bring out subjects like a child's wild imagination.
They're just sick people in more than one way, and i doubt won't try it again if they got away with it the first time.
I think everyone here should know that 80-90% of the time, the pedophile is someone close a relative or a close friend that has easy access to your house, and who may be the last person on the planet you'd think is capable of such a thing, because around him you won't even be thinking of such things....
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From what I can see at this point, pedophilia is not going to be removed from the DSM -IV. Here's the scoop:
It is possible that “Pedophilia” may be renamed Pedohebephilic Disorder. This will have additional specifiers:
Pedophilic Type—Sexually Attracted to Prepubescent Children (Generally Younger than 11) Hebephilic Type—Sexually Attracted to Pubescent Children (Generally Age 11 through 14) Pedohebephilic Type—Sexually Attracted to Both You would also code whether there was attraction to males, females or both.
http://www.psychcontinuinged.com/courses/newdsm5.pdf
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Nathalie
Whew!!! That's a tough one! I once crossed paths with a pedophile as a child, and I know that today (or at least 15 years ago, the last I heard of him) he roams free. That pedophiles don't belong in jail, I tend to agree. They belong in a mental facility, where they can be treated for their condition. There has been research about chemical castration, which seems promising.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration
But as for any criminal, in my own humble opinion, the key word is "help". Not "we'll lock you up like a dog in a cage and leave you to fend for yourself in a terribly violent environment". I'm thinking that would be even less costly that jail!
Have you ever asked a child what it's like to be in a 'relationship' against her/his will with a paedophile?
The pope of some years ago made a young girl who had been murdered a saint because she fought against her paedophile. So death is the only alternative, if you are a catholic?
Paedophilia is totally destructive and probably the worst thing that can happen to a child. It completely turns the mind.
Chemical castration? Maybe a small island some distance away from temptation would be better.
Like I said, I have crossed paths with a paedophile as a child. It doesn't change my view today. They do belong somewhere where they can't hurt anyone, but I maintain that jail isn't the answer because it doesn't do anything to solve the problem other than being locked up.
So what is the answer Nathalie - - - -
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Anyway, I'm done discussing this, it's the one untouchable subject where objectivity can never match the emotionality of it... I'm outta here, before I get burned at the stake!
You won't get burnt at the stake, hereticnugget. :p
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Personally speaking, there is a mind/body disconnection - a protective survival mechanism kicks in, so I doubt at any age would one consider it to be the norm/reality.
For pedophiles, I think it is a control issue - control over others and lack of self control of themselves...
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In the extreme cases it has nothing to do with sexuality or lack of control thereof.
Has to do with energetic exchanges and the perceived destroying of "innocence". Goes to the heart of the "good vs evil" battle that has always raged. Some have suggested the multidimensionals are involved.
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Its' easy to hate pedophiles. They destroy lives to satisfy their own needs. But looks deeper. In the history of most pedophiles you will find a victim of a pedophile. A child who grew up to seek a solution to the deep dysfunction they feel as a result of what happened to them. Yes, some are psychopaths, a condition itself so abominable that I pity anyone afflicted with it, but many others are just victims who grew up. When a child learns that there are two rolls, abuser and abused, they grow up to become the abuser because that is how you "win". If you are the abuser, you are safe.
Just some thoughts. Hate is easy. Revenge is easy. But it's not the way to growth or healing for anybody.
Oh and yes, the multidimensional are involved. Always. That goes without saying.
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I cannot express how sick I feel in the stomach when I hear something that has to do with pedophiles. I hear it often enough on TV, how there is a new pedophile case, from "there and there" done by "who and who" for a certain period of time, etc.
Sad to say, but Southern Europe has a lot of this going on, and there is enough of it in my country too. We are extremely religious culture and with so many churches operating around, many have the chance to infiltrate them and just have their way with the groups of young boys and girls who come there to study or fill up a side subject of school education, pertaining to religious philosophies. I hope better times come, soon. I'm really sick and tired to hear about this crap.
And even though I'm sick and tired, now, more than ever, this crap needs to be discussed about. Since now they have taken an overt, active approach to stimulate tolerance from those who have the power to change certain things in our system, so they can be one more step closer to being integrated into society as we know it.
Everytime this is brought up as the subject of discussion, if the conversation survives at all after that, the other person lowers their voice and starts speaking in a whispering tone. Why? Why all the taboo about this? It needs to be discussed and dealt with as soon as possible. Not to be one of those things everybody is aware of, but they never talk about it and keep it silent.
I have a personal experience of mine dealing with pedophiles. It didn't involve directly me (although it easily could have, thank God nothing happened), but a former best friend of mine, was, on the other hand, directly involved. It was the local mailman, who everybody knew, and often welcomed him in their homes for a cup of tea or coffee, when it was a busy, hot or cold day at work. A small neighborhood where neighbors trust each other so much, they don't lock the doors, not even at night (not a smart thing to do, but when you practically grew up there without any crime, how would you not feel safe?)
Me and her were at her room drawing when the mailman arrived, and asked for her parents. When he found out that her mom just went to the store to buy some groceries, he took the advantage to calculate who he would take. Me? Her? Both? I think the reason he left me behind was because I was quite big for my age at that time (7) and I was also notorious for picking fights with other kids, so he thought the girl would be a better victim as she would resist less and be more easily handled. He took her away saying he needed to show her something that she needed to give to her mother when she gets back.
Her mother came home and saw me alone and confused as to what exactly happened. My parents never gave me the "don't talk to strangers"/"be wary of strangers" chat and I didn't even know what a pedophile was. Until that day. Her mother just ran out of the house and got the entire neighborhood on foot.
After the horrific crime, she barely had been able to walk down to the supermarket, several hours later, looking for her mother, where many people had saw her all bruised up, with cuts, shaking like a leaf. They had brought her home to her mother and the cops, where she couldn't utter even a word. She was just very ... morbidly silent.
They eventually caught the guy and he got sentenced to life in prison. But that day he didn't hurt just one person. He had two victims.
I lost my best friend that day. Because she never spoke to me again, and we never saw each other after that incident. And its been that way till present day. He took her life with him, since this is something she will have to cope with till she dies, and he took my friendship with her as well. She is a very troubled teenager today, or so I have heard from some acquaintances. She has problems communicating with people, relating to, and problems expressing herself, trapped in some emotional cage. Her life is like a Limbo now, because of that sick bastard.
And I doubt she will be able to develop any meaningful relationship, especially with boys, for the rest of her life. It almost doesn't matter that she stayed alive after this, because its like he took her life anyway. She's dead inside. And its because of this I get really furious with attempts an 'de-criminalizing' pedophilia. These people do not deserve to walk around freely among common society, because they always scan for the next prey, and they do not stop. Ever.
I hope they never remove it out of the DSM-IV.
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From what I can see at this point, pedophilia is not going to be removed from the DSM -IV. Here's the scoop:
It is possible that “Pedophilia” may be renamed Pedohebephilic Disorder. This will have additional specifiers:
Pedophilic Type—Sexually Attracted to Prepubescent Children (Generally Younger than 11) Hebephilic Type—Sexually Attracted to Pubescent Children (Generally Age 11 through 14) Pedohebephilic Type—Sexually Attracted to Both You would also code whether there was attraction to males, females or both.
http://www.psychcontinuinged.com/courses/newdsm5.pdf
I have read extensively on this subject, and went through a lot of scientific papers dealing with research on pedophilia, and in most of them, it is emphasized that there is no real exclusivity for a particular gender, only an occasional preference, due to conditions and circumstances the perpetrator found himself in. In other words, the "homosexual pedophile/heterosexual pedophile" is a myth. Since pedophiles tend to see children as objects of attraction/pleasure, they tackle with them as any other form of resources. What comes, they take. The gender makes no real difference.
Many of them have tried masking who they are and what they do by positioning themselves as homosexuals, which infuriates me even more, because they are nothing like us, and I damn well don't like to be put into the same group like them. It was another attempt at playing 'more normal', on the cost of another group people, who are in actuality, entirely different.
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OnyxKnight - what a truly sad experience for you and a tragic one for your friend. As Marsila said earlier a high percentage of these cases - at least the publicised ones - tend to be perpetrated by people the victim is familiar with. Some friends of mine were desperate to adopt and because they were middle aged were only eligible to adopt older children who were physically handicapped or sexually abused. They chose the latter thinking they would be able to cope but what a journey it has been! Their lives became very difficult but through persistent steady parenting their two daughters, now in their 20's, appear to have grown through the experience. However, they came from an entire family (grandparents, aunts and uncles as well as parents) who were involved in the abuse, thought it entirely normal and at first defended fiercely the people they were taken away from.
