The Bible

let the Bible speak

to inform and explore what the Book says about our origin history and purpose


i am convinced that the Creator or rather Projector is the Source and Sustenance of the Creation or Projection

and furthermore that this Almighty Spirit interferes and intervenes with His world whenever He wants

which is probably much more often than we think


i believe the Bible paints a true if not complete picture about our Creator in this Age

and the Book tells us that mankind has an Adversary who is a finite fallen spirit

and that this fallen spirit is 'the god of this age'



"In whom the god of this age hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." - 2 Corinthians 4:4

If only the bible included all the original text (there are over 48 books missing/are very condensed) like the "missing years of Jesus", "psalms of Sodom", etc. Notice how no books are written by women in the bible. Also in the bible gods create man in less than a paragraph, so I am sure there was a book about that. So your 'bible' was edited severely in 400AD when they made the one book for the whole Roman empire to have one simple religion. So most of the spiritual connection has only limited description and so is separate so people can never understand it and have to look to priest's and bishops for this knowledge.

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Posted by Apex

If only the bible included all the original text (there are over 48 books missing/are very condensed) like the "missing years of Jesus", "psalms of Sodom", etc. Notice how no books are written by women in the bible.

So your 'bible' was edited severely in 400AD when they made the one book for the whole Roman empire to have one simple religion.

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the Bible is a Big book composed of several smaller books and there is nothing wrong in reading and researching the books that didn't make it into Canon

but the important 'red thread' in the Bible is Jesus Christ


i am sure there are also books authored by the Adversary to cast doubts and confusion and i am confident that none of them made it into Canon

The Bible is very selective. It is not the pure word of God. The men who wrote it expounded their own belief systems and incorporated them into the works. Thus, there's only so much that can be trusted in the Holy Book.

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Posted by Daughter of Time

The Bible is very selective. It is not the pure word of God. The men who wrote it expounded their own belief systems and incorporated them into the works. Thus, there's only so much that can be trusted in the Holy Book.

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the Bible is a written recollection and a record of events as witnessed by those who wrote it

the point is that we should not rest in the trust of book knowledge but seek Him whom the Book speaks about

The Spirit Almighty

It's all about the Sun and our solar system. The bible is a very special book but it is not meant to be taken literally. I know saying that will ruffle some feathers . I get that. Reading that would have made me upset many years ago. The truth is sometimes a bitter pill to swallow, but it always sets you free in the end.

But hey no worries, it's just my opinion.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z-17BNU7L6g

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The Bible is very selective. It is not the pure word of God. The men who wrote it expounded their own belief systems and incorporated them into the works. Thus, there's only so much that can be trusted in the Holy Book.

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the Bible is a written recollection and a record of events as witnessed by those who wrote it

the point is that we should not rest in the trust of book knowledge but seek Him whom the Book speaks about

The Spirit Almighty

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What is funny, is that not one included gospel is written by an eyewitness, but those not included were written by eyewitnesses.
And FYI, I doubt that your wordsmithery and general evasion of questions is helping your cause.

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Posted by Lord Sidious

What is funny, is that not one included gospel is written by an eyewitness, but those not included were written by eyewitnesses.

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the author of the gospel of Mark was Mark the Evangelist - the companion of the apostle Peter - according to tradition and the early church fathers

the author of the gospel of Matthew was the apostle Matthew - the tax-collector and disciple of Jesus - according to tradition and the early church fathers

the author of the gospel of Luke and Acts was Luke the Evangelist - the companion of the Apostle Paul - according to tradition and the early church fathers

the author of the gospel of John was 'the disciple whom Jesus loved' - John 20:2 and he was none other than the the Apostle John

most if not all the letters of Paul was written by Paul himself and nobody argues this


i could go on and on but it's not my point to convince those who have made up their mind

for them no amount of evidence will change their believes

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And FYI, I doubt that your wordsmithery and general evasion of questions is helping your cause.

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im sorry but i can't care less what you think about me or my words

i find joy in sharing truth for truth's own sake for truth shall set us free

According to someone I trust who was a priest, no, they are not the authors.
How could they have written them if they were not written until around 100 years after jesus was meant to have left?
And your lack of care is at odds with what you claim you are and stand for.

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Posted by Loveisall21

It's all about the Sun and our solar system. The bible is a very special book but it is not meant to be taken literally. I know saying that will ruffle some feathers . I get that. Reading that would have made me upset many years ago. The truth is sometimes a bitter pill to swallow, but it always sets you free in the end.

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im sure the Bible speaks on several levels but you have formed this opinion by trusting men

or perhaps wolves in sheeps clothing


the establishment decides what we will think and so supress truths and propagate lies

we cannot longer distinguish truth from false without the Spirit of Truth guiding us

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Posted by Lord Sidious

According to someone I trust who was a priest, no, they are not the authors.
How could they have written them if they were not written until around 100 years after jesus was meant to have left?
And your lack of care is at odds with what you claim you are and stand for.

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i dont see how you can put your trust in modern men living 2000 years after the events


there is no date on the scrolls which make up the Bible so it is just a modern guess as to when they were written down

but remember the establishment is against the Christ and the Bible


i care about you but i dont care what you think of me

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According to someone I trust who was a priest, no, they are not the authors.
How could they have written them if they were not written until around 100 years after jesus was meant to have left?
And your lack of care is at odds with what you claim you are and stand for.

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i dont see how you can put your trust in modern men living 2000 years after the events


there is no date on the scrolls which make up the Bible so it is just a modern guess as to when they were written down

but remember the establishment is against the Christ and the Bible


i care about you but i dont care what you think of me

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Well, I don't know how they date the writings, as I never cared enough to find out.
But, knowing my friend and how thorough he is, he checks everything out.
He told me that the church knows far more than they are allowed to say.
And no, the establishment isn't against your bible or your jesus, they ARE the establishment, or haven't you noticed?

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Posted by RedeZra

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i am sure there are also books authored by the Adversary to cast doubts and confusion and i am confident that none of them made it into Canon

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But surely a book that is comprised mostly of "the good bits" can't be trusted or relied on, never mind the fact that it's been the foundation of a major religion for the past 2000 years...

The concept is comparable to having a book on Hitler that only mentions stuff like he didn't eat meat, he was kind to his mum and he liked cats....

What I have pondered on many times is what time span does the bible cover. I believe the world was probably "created" in 6 periods days I don't think is right. As for a creator of all things I do think the Earth can create with out the help, maybe hindrance of and outside force. As for the book its self a very good guide but like all written words can be interpreted by the individual as they see fit.
If you wish to believe in a creator of all things then fair enough but the excuse we have free will, when asked why the creator does not do more for the suffering of his/her/its children is wearing a little thin.

I wonder, what is the original language of the "original bible"? Please think about it...
If we understand the original one, there wont be any confusing things such as "the 6 peroids days" thing, etc.

What the Bible is teaching is what you need to do to get it right only its teachings has been hijacked by the church and turned it in to a religion. And since Religion is a replacement for relationship it will not get you in to the kingdom of heaven!

Most of everything I have been reseaching is releated back to the bible, but because of many closed minded Christians who have been led by the church a stray. Does with a closed mind rejected the truth when it presented in other form then what is written right in front of them in the Bible.
Does Luke Warm Christian claim they can see when they are blind!!

I also know that some things don't belong in the Bible and some thing are left out ,because of the works of the Vatican.
But like I said If you try to have a relationship with jezus Christ(Yeshua) true the holy spirit(GOD) you will be showen what is true and what is realy written in the Bible.

Because god is love and he can't lie ,but if you do not have this relationship and your not willing then you will get the half trued which leads you where you do not want to go!!

I know A lot of people being turned away from the word "Sinner", but it simple means NO LOVE. If you have no Love in you then it is the spirit of fear and fear leads to addictions because thats what it is.
Then you realize that DRUGS ,ALCOHOL,SEX,PORN,COMPUTER GAMES, TV and all does other thing of this world has NO LOVE in it.

Thats why the saying is If you love the things of this world then the LOVE of GOD is not in you. "Love the things of this world"=Addictions

The next step "Jezus Christ died for our sins" Well now we know what is written here, its because we had NO LOVE in us we nailed him to the cross. Because we hated the truth!
Then you start to understand what you realy are reading. We killed him ,because we did not knew what we where doing. Only small groupe of people knew what was going on ,but they could not do anything about it. Because of Free will!

Forgive them for they do not know what there doing!

Man, i'm addicted to god, but i just can't follow books. What now?
All this talk here is completely superfluous.
That said, i's 'leaving the building'.

Good luck on your mission.

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Posted by Mu2143

"Love the things of this world"=Addictions

The next step "Jezus Christ died for our sins" Well now we know what is written here, its because we had NO LOVE in us we nailed him to the cross. Because we hated the truth!
Then you start to understand what you realy are reading. We killed him ,because we did not knew what we where doing. Only small groupe of people knew what was going on ,but they could not do anything about it. Because of Free will!

Forgive them for they do not know what there doing!

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Love the things of this world is not the same with or equal to (=) addictions.
He died for our sin? Really?
Babies that haven't born already have sin then. and I born after many years He died, and He died because of my sin.
Ummm, maybe i'm wrong here, sorry...
But, I didn't kill Him. I'm honest in saying that.
Which are the one that is close minded anyway? the christians? or the people? or maybe you?:confused:
no offense ;)

Let us just be fair in observation and see that everything in this reality is hijacked.
Bible is a s hijacked as other works from God were. God worked and works through many forms and people ,God can't be limited but we are limiting it towards our understanding and through our filters.

How could a shepherd or fisherman from some thousands years ago explain frequencies, teleportation,telekinesis , telepathy ...?

What Ezekiel saw ... how possibly he could grasp what he was seeing???

Why angels appeared as humans - otherwise they would never comprehend their true form in that low level of consciousness.

So many questions... but before we judge so readily the Bible as well as many other books and works ,let us realize that we will judge ourselves for after all we allowed that establishment through time to become as it is now.

They forged every work that leads people back to God but that didn't stop God for calling us back.
God is still calling us back and Bible is one of the many invitations for the core message is intact.

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"Love the things of this world"=Addictions

The next step "Jezus Christ died for our sins" Well now we know what is written here, its because we had NO LOVE in us we nailed him to the cross. Because we hated the truth!
Then you start to understand what you realy are reading. We killed him ,because we did not knew what we where doing. Only small groupe of people knew what was going on ,but they could not do anything about it. Because of Free will!

Forgive them for they do not know what there doing!

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Love the things of this world is not the same with or equal to (=) addictions.
He died for our sin? Really?
Babies that haven't born already have sin then. and I born after many years He died, and He died because of my sin.
Ummm, maybe i'm wrong here, sorry...
But, I didn't kill Him. I'm honest in saying that.
Which are the one that is close minded anyway? the christians? or the people? or maybe you?:confused:
no offense ;)

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I forgot to tell that the cause of our sin is because every person on the planet is demon possessed. The all seeing eye is the colective conscienceness of lucifer. Thats how we have build this civilization true demons without we nowing it. Because we do not now what we are doing.
Everyone on this planet is demon inspired and does the works of satan unless you have been saved from this.

Its like unpluging out of the Matrix like in that movie then your set free only your stilll in this world.
And you are thinking saving you from what , well what you can't see what is realy there.
There demons every where

I suggested to check out this site
https://youtube.com/user/TheJonathankleck?gl=US#g/u

A word from God teaching us about Christianity: "I AM JAHOVA. WORSHIP ME, OR ELSE! I HAVE CONSTRUCTED THE WORST IMAGINABLE TORTURE FOR THOSE WHO DISOBEY MY COMMANDS, AND THIS TORTURE WILL LAST FOR.........ETERNITY! NOW WORSHIP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Yeah right go f*ck your dictating self

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Posted by pharoah21

A word from God teaching us about Christianity: "I AM JAHOVA. WORSHIP ME, OR ELSE! I HAVE CONSTRUCTED THE WORST IMAGINABLE TORTURE FOR THOSE WHO DISOBEY MY COMMANDS, AND THIS TORTURE WILL LAST FOR.........ETERNITY! NOW WORSHIP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Yeah right go f*ck your dictating self

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Ah, but Pharoah, that's just God's Love...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SQ44FCDzSH...uslovehell.jpg

God love ya RedeZra! I've gotta hand it to you, you are one tenacious son of gun. :thumb: Winning over souls for Jesus at Avalon must be like trying to pull teeth without a pair of pliers. Any converts yet that I've missed?

Carry on mate, go get em...:cheer2:

Cheers,
Fred

Going to hell of your own free will
https://youtube.com/watch?v=G_7mvQ2mO9s
https://youtube.com/watch?v=G_7mvQ2mO9s

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Posted by Fred S.

God love ya RedeZra! I've gotta hand it to you, you are one tenacious son of gun. :thumb: Winning over souls for Jesus at Avalon must be like trying to pull teeth without a pair of pliers. Any converts yet that I've missed?

Carry on mate, go get em...:cheer2:

Cheers,
Fred

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thnx Fred ; )

soul fishing is bad business so i dont recomend it

but i actually believe this stuff so i cant help myself


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that is one funny poster Pharoah21

and i mean that

but it's not really true

and i will explain

To Just add to this video what she is trying to say is when you have no love in you then your empty of it. GOD = pure energy = LOVE
So because thats is the way things work and your a being of energy and the energy is LOVE also known as the "I AM" your result of recreating your new self every day becomes ether LOVE or NOT at all

Thats the choice your making
Anger is only going to make things worse not better for your self

O BTW when you have made the choice then you become a demon or a son or daugther of the most high.
Just think about this !!

Why do you think SATAN can not speak the truth and only lie even if he wants to speak the truth for the same reason GOD can only speak the truth!!!

I must be foolish for entering a discussion on religion or politics.....but I'm compelled to do so. I grew up in a Christian family,loved and believed in God from an early age (from being read a Bible story book as a toddler), made an early (and sincere) decision to accept Jesus as saviour at 8 years old; grew up in church; led youth in church; was church pianist from age 12 on; re-dedicated myself as a teenager and was baptized by immersion in the local river; continued in the church during my thirties while raising my children and MAKING THEM MISERABLE WITH MY LEGALISM. You don't know my heart, RedEzra, so I understand that you will not take my words as truth. Something happened during my early forties that can only be described as a crisis of faith. Even though I was adamant in my faith, I studied science and tried to reconcile the two. Whenever there was a conflict I allowed my "faith" to win. Just blindly ignoring what my heart said to believe what WAS WRITTEN. Every time objectivity tried to get me to THINK I merely invoked the thought that this must be the "enemy of my soul" trying to defeat me. I've bound that sucker "in the Name of Jesus" so much...I spoke THE WORD---prayed THE WORD....AT my lowest and most questioning period of fasting and praying...the words of Jeremiah 31:33 came alive to me.....THAT HE WOULD WRITE HIS LAWS IN THEIR MINDS AND IN THEIR HEARTS ....I believe in a creator/source....I believe that entity is LOVE. The things that always bothered my heart, that I ignored, were the instances where the god of the Old Testament did and said things that were inconsistent with "his" personality/spirit. Those words of Jeremiah were like a beacon to me....that the truth will be written on our hearts...on the INSIDE....so that we don't have to rely on a written word which may be manipulated/rewritten/ or even misinterpreted without intention. Without going into too much detail and boring you with my journey here, let me just say that the truth that radiates and resonates with me is that there is a basic, underlying truth in the Bible. That thread of truth is love. I do believe that the creation story probably is a re-telling of the alien astronaut theory. I believe the truth about everything has been hi-jacked for our misinformation, manipulation and bondage. I will admit that I have regrets about "Jesus"....you're absolutely correct that there is a red thread throughout the Bible...from Genesis through the story of Rahab through the Old Testament prophecies and into the New Testament. But if everything else has been tainted why not that too? I can only go by what Spirit has revealed to me. Some days I would tell you I am envious of your strong belief in what I USED to believe. If I could go back to blind belief I would...some days...but not all. I feel like Neo after he
"awakens" on the ancient ship, in grubby clothes to a gray...but free...world. I wish you peace and love and blessings...not only for you but for all of us.

I might also add, though, that if you do due diligence in your research you will find the Gospels were written nearly a century after Jesus was supposed to have lived. Because they are "named" Matthew, Mark, Luke and John one shouldn't make the assumption they were the authors. The best and brightest of Bible scholars will tell you this....as well as additions later added...especially to the last chapter of Mark. Check it out for yourself with an open mind. There no harm in that....even the Old Testament says ( and I'll paraphrase because it's speaking about tithing) "prove Me and see...." If God really is God He can stand up to some scrutiny. I failed to mention that I actually went to seminary for awhile.

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this is a fun poster

but truth be told it is not enough to believe Jesus is the Son of God to escape hell


so the poster could as well read

"I love you so much that even if you believe I am the Son of God you will go to hell"


why ? because even the demons in the Bible know that Jesus is the Son of God


"And demons also came out of many, crying out and saying, "You are the Christ, the Son of God!" And He, rebuking, did not allow them to speak, for they knew that He was the Christ." - Luke 4:41

"And suddenly they cried out, saying, "What have we to do with You, Jesus, You Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?" - Matthew 8:29


i know this is so radically different to what we have been brought up to believe

but again a fallen spirit is the god of this world in this age


the only solution or salvation is to seek Jesus with all our strength heart and mind

we have the free will to do so but will we ?


besides Jesus as the Living God is already working miracles and revivals in the world

touching many millions of souls and changing them on the spot


take one serious step towards God and He will take 100 steps towards us

What can we do. It's everybody's believe system. So if you believe something, that's truth for you and period. And my truths comes from my believe system, no better, no worst than any other, but different. If I am tolerant enough to accept other people's opinion and try not to impose mine, than the things flow quite nicely. When something produce anger in me (like the bible is true story etc) then is the time, to work on me, to try to understand that everybody is free to believe what he wishes.

Trying to proof something which is impossible to proof (a bit too long ago) just by my opinion, has no sense.

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Posted by Mu2143

Why do you think SATAN can not speak the truth and only lie even if he wants to speak the truth for the same reason GOD can only speak the truth!!!

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You speak as if you're saying Satan is real and you had coffee with him and 'GOD' recently

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Why do you think SATAN can not speak the truth and only lie even if he wants to speak the truth for the same reason GOD can only speak the truth!!!

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You speak as if you're saying Satan is real and you had coffee with him and 'GOD' recently

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In my dream I stood next to SATAN in forgiveness and I posted this dream here on avalon and yes I have been working to have a relationship with GOD by repenting or go back to the heart. this takes time and hardship

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Posted by kathymarie

Some days I would tell you I am envious of your strong belief in what I USED to believe. If I could go back to blind belief I would...some days...but not all. I feel like Neo after he
"awakens" on the ancient ship, in grubby clothes to a gray...but free...world. I wish you peace and love and blessings...not only for you but for all of us.

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Hi kathymarie, that reminds me of this: "Sometimes I wish to God I didn't know now, the things I didn't know then". It's too late of course to go back now, it can never be the same. Thank God, because at that point is where things really start to get interesting.

Cheers,
Fred

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O BTW when you have made the choice then you become a demon or a son or daugther of the most high.
Just think about this !!

Why do you think SATAN can not speak the truth and only lie even if he wants to speak the truth for the same reason GOD can only speak the truth!!!

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Surely an omnipotent god would have the ability to speak anything....??? :P

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Posted by kathymarie

AT my lowest and most questioning period of fasting and praying...the words of Jeremiah 31:33 came alive to me.....THAT HE WOULD WRITE HIS LAWS IN THEIR MINDS AND IN THEIR HEARTS ....I believe in a creator/source....I believe that entity is LOVE.

Those words of Jeremiah were like a beacon to me....that the truth will be written on our hearts...on the INSIDE....so that we don't have to rely on a written word which may be manipulated/rewritten/ or even misinterpreted without intention.

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hi Kathymarie


i believe as well that the laws are written in our minds and our hearts

so we shall know right from wrong

and conscience is a still small voice that tells us when we're wrong

still many carry on ignoring this gentle voice


but it is the laws and not the truths that are written in our minds and our hearts

to know the truth we need the Spirit of Truth or the Holy Dove Of God

the Comforter and the 3rd person in the Trinity


science is supressing much truths and planting fictions

but hello it is part of the establishment run by Satan


Jesus says "if you love Me then follow My commandments"

so if we by our own free will can walk in accordance with His commandments

then this is how we show our love to God

and surly most assuredly God loves those that walk in righteousness

I have understood "something" here.
a little happy and then sad but,
Thank You All! :)

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Posted by TruseEthker

I have understood "something" here.
a little happy and then sad but,
Thank You All! :)

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tell us ; )

I´ve read the Bible many times. It´s a great Sci-Fi book, a true best-seller. The thing supposedly happened more than 2000 years ago. There´s no way to prove it really happened.

If our civilization is completely extinguished and, some day in the far future, someone finds a Harry Potter book, he could very well claim that it was all real and convince people to follow this book and worship Harry Potter as the son of god.

Sci-Fi does not exsit there have been telling you the truth all along, but because people are spiritual blind and claim that they can seen. They will simple remain in the dark.
let put me it this way

If you can't find out what happened 2000 years ago then how are you going to figure out that you have been lied to. Where do you get the truth from!

How do you know what is truth. The Internet ??? if you can't discern what is true then your lost