How the Church of Scientology declares war on ex-members

04 January, 2012

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Debbie Cook accuses leaders of Church of Scientology of Corruption.

Hold on tight to your leather-bound edition of Dianetics and hope for the best. A rift between two top members of the Church of Scientology is causing the controversial religion to be bought to the brink of civil war.

Debbie Cook, a former top-dog among the bureaucracy within the Church of Scientology, started off her 2012 with an email blast to followers of the religion in which she blasts current leader David Miscavige on corruption.

According to Cook, who at one time was the top officer in the church’s Sea Org group, Miscavige is hoarding over $1 billion that he acquired through church fundraising.

Additionally, says Cook, the leader has blown millions on ridiculous facilities and the rest of the church must become aware of his misdoings.

“Only a tiny fraction has ever been spent… Only the interest earned from the holdings has been used very sparingly to fund projects through grants,” adds Cook.

Graeme Wilson, a spokesperson for the church, has fired back and tells the New York Times that Cook’s email reflects “a small, ignorant and unenlightened view of the world today” and are not representative of “the thousands of Scientologists who are overjoyed by our 27 new Churches and what they mean to the communities they serve.”

Cook, however, knows the ins and outs of the Scientology biz and is a force to be reckoned with within the church. From 1993 through 2008, she sat on the board of directors of the Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization, Inc. — a position that puts an awful mount of clout behind her recent words. Cook also served as “captain” of the Flag Organization from 1989 through 2006.

In an almost apocalyptical forewarning of what’s to come, Cook emailed a list of 12,000 scientologists on New Year’s Day cautioning them of the leader’s corrupt cash-grabbing, but stayed optimistic, saying, “We are a strong and powerful group and we can effect a change. We have weathered many storms. I am sorry that I am the one telling you, but a new storm is upon us.”

Cook says that she was drawn to the religion years ago thanks to the writings of founder and science fiction author L Ron Hubbard. That determination to keep his beliefs going is what motivated here to address the corruption coming from the church’s corporate headquarters.

“I dedicated my entire adult life to supporting L Ron Hubbard and the application of LRH technology,” Cook’s email reads, “And if I ever had to look LRH in the eye I wouldn’t be able to say I did everything I could to Keep Scientology Working if I didn’t do something about it now.

“We all have a stake in this. It is simply not possible to read the LRH references and not see the alterations and violations that are currently occurring,” warns Cook.

Miscavige has led the church since Hubbard passed away 26 years ago. According to Cook, the current leader has since dismantled the "complete and brilliant organizational structure” set in place by Hubbard.

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PS - Would any of you trust these 2 Clowns..?

Tom Cruise saluting Scientology's 'leader' David Miscavige

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Assume the Position..!

Thank you sir, may I have another..!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wm7D5VRfaTI

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This is one House of Cards I hope burns to the ground soon. I remember living in Hollywood and having to walk past their "Churches" that were on both sides of Hollywood Blvd, and be harassed by their Zombie workers.

Funny little anecdote about this Church Of Scientology. Back before it started Gene Roddenberry (Star Trek Franchise) and L. Ron Hubbard were best friends, LRH wanted to start his religion, and GR decided he wanted to start his own franchise (which became like a religion for many). They each started their own things, and never spoke to eachother again. But, they both started from almost the exact same point.

One can read more about this saga in the Project Camelot library. How it was taken over and by the NWO and deported the founders. It is a written testimony.
So karma is paying its tribute here again.
I wonder if this is another Mossad or Zionist conpiracy again.

Too bad they don't have nuclear weapons (figuratively speaking) and they could wipe each other out in their civil war.
OK back to my meditation, corner. lol

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This is one House of Cards I hope burns to the ground soon. I remember living in Hollywood and having to walk past their "Churches" that were on both sides of Hollywood Blvd, and be harassed by their Zombie workers.

Funny little anecdote about this Church Of Scientology. Back before it started Gene Roddenberry (Star Trek Franchise) and L. Ron Hubbard were best friends, LRH wanted to start his religion, and GR decided he wanted to start his own franchise (which became like a religion for many). They each started their own things, and never spoke to eachother again. But, they both started from almost the exact same point.

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I was "recruited" by them about 1 year ago. I answered a Craigslist posting for: "If you have had a spiritual experience or awakening" please contact us. I did and I did.
After 2 phone calls, it was revealed that they were the "church of Scientology".

Lol, well it's not like the Star Trek Franchise has ever done anything bad to anyone, unlike The Church of Scientology. And, both L. Ron Hubbard and Gene Roddenberry are dead. Probably still duking it out on the other side.

LOL, I wonder what their civil war would look like? A bunch of well dressed people giving nasty looks to each other and fainting? I love it! All the military should become Scientologists and give away their money, personal liberties, and have a staring match in some daisy field somewhere while the rest of us watch and pick up the bills off the ground.
In Humor,
Worm

Luckily in Ireland and the UK, people don't put much pass on Scientology. In fact, there are probably more people in the UK identifying as Jedi than Scientologist hehe

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One can read more about this saga in the Project Camelot library. How it was taken over and by the NWO and deported the founders. It is a written testimony.

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http://projectcamelot.org/dane_tops.html

The whole story: highly recommended reading for a full understanding.

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One can read more about this saga in the Project Camelot library. How it was taken over and by the NWO and deported the founders. It is a written testimony.

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http://projectcamelot.org/dane_tops.html

The whole story: highly recommended reading for a full understanding.

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Let me get this straight. Ingo Swann was a scientologist? This from the material you linked. So Ingo (the man) Swann basically learned the initials of RV from Scientology? I've read Penetration, it is a killer work, and I"ve always leaned towards the stories by Ingo being true.
Can anyone comment on this? Bill is a busy guy, so I would appreciate anyone else in the know on this subject to elaborate.

This whistle blower Dane Topps claims that Scientology had some legit foundations, and that Hubbard and company were recovering informtation from past lives that created a space drama very much in line with what Robert Morning Sky talks about in his Terra Papers.
This is all very new to me, because from what I've understood, I thought Scientology was all bogus. I had dismissed scientology out of had. Is there something there?
Anyone care to elaborate?

Ingo Swann was born with his talents. It seems for a few years people with his talents crossed paths with Scientology, Stanford and the CIA. There are grey areas. It's a matter of opinion that Scientology has or had "legit foundations". Dane Topps story is probably close to how things happened. If you want to read more go to http://xenu.net get on the Operation Clambake message board and go through the oldest threads. You'll get the pictures...many. It's not a quick read ..

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LOL, I wonder what their civil war would look like? A bunch of well dressed people giving nasty looks to each other and fainting? I love it! All the military should become Scientologists and give away their money, personal liberties, and have a staring match in some daisy field somewhere while the rest of us watch and pick up the bills off the ground.
In Humor,
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They would release the dirt on each other. every "E Meter" session is documented and files away, giving those with access to the files the most enbarassing personal information on the subject.

church of Scientology them self make documentaries, and type of community on internet that have offensive views about church of Scientology, so that people who google about this subject can not get right information and as a result can be obstructed from find out about science and history of Scientology. Like in BBC - Panorama: The Secrets of Scientology this video creates illusion that viewer is rationalizing information about Scientology, but if you have search thoroughly and read information created by L RON HUBBARD himself, we can suspect this video is created by church of Scientology which does not work according to the philosophy of L RON HUBBARD.

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One can read more about this saga in the Project Camelot library. How it was taken over and by the NWO and deported the founders. It is a written testimony.

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http://projectcamelot.org/dane_tops.html

The whole story: highly recommended reading for a full understanding.

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Let me get this straight. Ingo Swann was a scientologist? This from the material you linked. So Ingo (the man) Swann basically learned the initials of RV from Scientology? I've read Penetration, it is a killer work, and I"ve always leaned towards the stories by Ingo being true.
Can anyone comment on this? Bill is a busy guy, so I would appreciate anyone else in the know on this subject to elaborate.

This whistle blower Dane Topps claims that Scientology had some legit foundations, and that Hubbard and company were recovering informtation from past lives that created a space drama very much in line with what Robert Morning Sky talks about in his Terra Papers.
This is all very new to me, because from what I've understood, I thought Scientology was all bogus. I had dismissed scientology out of had. Is there something there?
Anyone care to elaborate?

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Yes, Ingo was a scientologist -- and so were Pat Price, Hal Puthoff, Russell Targ, and many others. The only principal player in the SRI research days who was not a scientologist was Uri Geller.

Ingo developed co-ordinate remote viewing (CRV) -- later used by Ed Dames and others -- according to the broad protocols proven to work well in scientology sessions.

All this happened in the 1970s, before the Church of Scientology was taken over.

Yes, Scientology has totally legitimate foundations. The basic techniques developed by Hubbard in the 1950s work brilliantly and effectively. They have spread, often without people being fully aware of them, to a wide range of alternative therapies that have since adopted them under different guises.

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Yes, Ingo was a scientologist -- and so were Pat Price, Hal Puthoff, Russell Targ, and many others. The only principal player in the SRI research days who was not a scientologist was Uri Geller.

Ingo developed co-ordinate remote viewing (CRV) -- later used by Ed Dames and others -- according to the broad protocols proven to work well in scientology sessions.

All this happened in the 1970s, before the Church of Scientology was taken over.

Yes, Scientology has totally legitimate foundations. The basic techniques developed by Hubbard in the 1950s work brilliantly and effectively. They have spread, often without people being fully aware of them, to a wide range of alternative therapies that have since adopted them under different guises.

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Thank you very much for your reply Bill.
Wow, my head is realing from all of this. After Ingo Swann, the name that stands out is Uri Geller, I have read his biography by Andrija Puharich and though Uri loves attention he does seem to have some genuine psychic ability. This is amazing. I had no idea there was a connection there. I know Uri grew up in Israel so I'm perplexed at how he came to have a relationship with L Ron Hubbard.
The information regarding Hubbard is fascinating to no end. Finding out he commanded a fleet of ocean bound vessels for a number of years and remained with them at sea, reminds me of the hero in the Illuminati Trilogy by Robert Anton Wilson, and I'm wondering if there isn't a connection there as well.

If one were to look for a book that outlined the original practices before the belief system was infiltrated so to speak, does anyone know what the best book would be?

Thanks Again

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He didn't! Uri is not connected with scientology -- other than that everyone else in the SRI research group was a scientologist. Uri was the only one who wasn't. :)

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He didn't! Uri is not connected with scientology -- other than that everyone else in the SRI research group was a scientologist. Uri was the only one who wasn't. :)

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Bill, I'm sure it would be worthwhile, but do you think it feasible to try to recover L R Hubbard's techniques and to find ways to utilise them again?

Ron Hubbard had connections with Aleister Crowley. It may or may not be relevent.....

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In Hubbard's 1952 Philadelphia Doctorate Course Lectures, he states:

"The magical cults of the 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th centuries in the Middle East were fascinating. The only modern work that has anything to do with them is a trifle wild in spots, but is a fascinating work in itself, and that's the work of Aleister Crowley - the late Aleister Crowley - my very good friend.... He signs himself 'the Beast,' mark of the Beast 666..."

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From this site which may have some bias http://www.watchman.org/sci/hubmagk2.htm but there are plenty of other references online.

As has already been mentioned Operation Clambake is a good place to research Scientology - lots of ex scientologists there. http://www.xenu.net/

Jeanette

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I have E-book version of Dianetecs written by L. Ron Hubbard. It has 275 pages without any publication date on it. I'm uncertain it was the original manuscript that Hubbard developed or fabricated one by the Scientologists later on. Bill is an expert. He probably confirms its authenticity.

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DIANETICS
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I know Uri grew up in Israel so I'm perplexed at how he came to have a relationship with L Ron Hubbard.

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He didn't! Uri is not connected with scientology -- other than that everyone else in the SRI research group was a scientologist. Uri was the only one who wasn't. :)

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Bill, I'm sure it would be worthwhile, but do you think it feasible to try to recover L R Hubbard's techniques and to find ways to utilise them again?

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They are all alive and [very] well. The 'lifeboat' splinter groups formed in the early 1980s have developed and expanded into some very sizable and competent groups operating worldwide, but with quite a low public profile for obvious reasons. The countries where there is most activity are Switzerland, Germany, Russia, the US, South Africa, the UK, and one or two other European countries.

There's a torrent download of original LRH materials (books, encyclopedic research volumes, and audio tapes) which is freely available here:

http://projectavalon.net/Library_of_...72.TPB.torrent

Excellent, thank you!

Needless to say, I'll be seeding this torrent for the foreseeable future.

Thanks Hughe... I'm a little embarrassed to admit that when I saw the title of the book, I actually remembered buying it a few months ago — lol I must be in desperate need of these techniques :D

I wonder if there is an opportunity here for some of the splinter groups to work with Scientologists to bring them back to their original purpose, which was to help out humanity. However the misuse of this technology, I would surmise, is the reason that this "war" broke out in the first place. Technology without positive responsible consciousness comes with a price.
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http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/ is a site where you can read Ingo Swann's experiences in psychic research and remote viewing. He writes with meticulous detail and much humor.

Jacques Vallee mentions L R Hubbard in "Messengers of Deception" (he is not saying L R Hubbard was such a messenger) and his theory is that individuals were targeted to start new religions, to socially engineer people into various and conflicting beliefs about freedom,control, ET's, and more. He believes that the CIA was part of the inception of these religions, always had people on the inside. The "Messengers of Deception" are TPTB, in his opinion. A book before its time.

If one were to believe that Scientology had valid techniques for improving function (some do and some don't), the theory is that those techniques were given a setting in which to develop, and then hijacked, and the organization seemingly moves on, but appears to have become a negative force with nothing to offer. There has always been conflict in the organization, regular purges of personnel, removing the ones closest to the top with "the real tech" and then a new wave. This has been repeated for decades.

Much written about it all!

I read once that Ron L. Hubbard, Aleister Crowley, and Jack Parsons were all members of the Ordo Templi Orientis or OTO. Jack Parsons was the founder of the Jet Propulsion Labratory that later became NASA. I'm sure we all know who Aleister Cowley is. Ron L. Hubbard went on to found Scientology. The OTO is an interesting order that practices sex majic and other occult rituals. Kind of like in the movie "Eyes Wide Shut."

Here are two very influential organizations basically being influenced by this order. This is how the occult works. They get people into key positions and use them to their advantage. Once you have this org. then events that seem paranormal and odd can be executed and taken advantage of.

It is also interesting that part of Scientology involves controlling the Thetans or lost souls of a dead alien race. This is kind of like a Sci-fi version of what King Solomon did in commanding the Angels and Demons. Is it possible that Masonry or the Church is persecuting Scientology due to this fact? Some secret societies are centered around Heptarchia or the summoning of Angels and Demons in a similar fashion to John Dee of Elizabethan England. I wonder if the Scientologists see themselves as getting rid of the demons commanded by some secret societies. There has to be some other reason for this attack on Scientology beyond what people think of it. Traditionally Jesuit assassins wear masks..........................

LRH was way ahead of his time in understanding that emotional trauma was a huge factor in developing illness. His health, detox, and other protocols are amazing.

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There's a torrent download of original LRH materials (books, encyclopedic research volumes, and audio tapes) which is freely available here:

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I bought about 4 or 5 used LRH books on various health topics from Amazon.com. As so few have good thoughts about LRH, the books are not in demand and are very inexpensive used. A few bucks for each one. Good information!

I am about to start a major detox program. Part of it will be LRH's far-infrared, niacin protocol. Take the dose of niacin and sit in the heat for as long as you can. He recommends 6 to 8 hours, but that should not be attempted by anyone without assistance. I'll likely do 30 minute to one hour sessions first, then take it up slowly. Hydration, of course, is a must.

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I bought about 4 or 5 used LRH books on various health topics from Amazon.com. As so few have good thoughts about LRH, the books are not in demand and are very inexpensive used. A few bucks for each one. Good information!

I am about to start a major detox program. Part of it will be LRH's far-infrared, niacin protocol. Take the dose of niacin and sit in the heat for as long as you can. He recommends 6 to 8 hours, but that should not be attempted by anyone without assistance. I'll likely do 30 minute to one hour sessions first, then take it up slowly. Hydration, of course, is a must.

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Thanks. How does one know if the edition has been corrupted by the Church or not?

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I am about to start a major detox program. Part of it will be LRH's far-infrared, niacin protocol. Take the dose of niacin and sit in the heat for as long as you can. He recommends 6 to 8 hours, but that should not be attempted by anyone without assistance. I'll likely do 30 minute to one hour sessions first, then take it up slowly. Hydration, of course, is a must.

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BTW, how much niacin does he have you take at a time? Have you ever taken it before?

I took some last year, I think it was 100mg, I was SHOCKED at the flush it caused. I was at work when I took it, my skin turned bright red and my heart was beating very fast.

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I am about to start a major detox program. Part of it will be LRH's far-infrared, niacin protocol. Take the dose of niacin and sit in the heat for as long as you can. He recommends 6 to 8 hours, but that should not be attempted by anyone without assistance. I'll likely do 30 minute to one hour sessions first, then take it up slowly. Hydration, of course, is a must.

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BTW, how much niacin does he have you take at a time? Have you ever taken it before?

I took some last year, I think it was 100mg, I was SHOCKED at the flush it caused. I was at work when I took it, my skin turned bright red and my heart was beating very fast.

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The daily intake of niacin needs to be increased very gradually, and in balance with other vitamins (not on its own!). Judging the exact procedure, and making the correct day-to-day decisions on how much to take, is a specialist process.

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I am about to start a major detox program. Part of it will be LRH's far-infrared, niacin protocol. Take the dose of niacin and sit in the heat for as long as you can. He recommends 6 to 8 hours, but that should not be attempted by anyone without assistance. I'll likely do 30 minute to one hour sessions first, then take it up slowly. Hydration, of course, is a must.

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BTW, how much niacin does he have you take at a time? Have you ever taken it before?

I took some last year, I think it was 100mg, I was SHOCKED at the flush it caused. I was at work when I took it, my skin turned bright red and my heart was beating very fast.

Be careful with this stuff.

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The daily intake of niacin needs to be increased very gradually, and in balance with other vitamins (not on its own!). Judging the exact procedure, and making the correct day-to-day decisions on how much to take, is a specialist process.

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the only problem is that there are not a lot of specialists out there - to consult personally, i mean. you have your naturopaths, but without insurance coverage you're paying an arm and a leg. my favorite edict is the one on the side of the numerous supplements i take; it always makes me laugh:" consult your doctor before starting any new supplement program". which doctor??? where??? these md's haven't a clue about nutrition!

over time, i've discovered the only specialist i can trust is myself. i'm not a specialist in anatomy, biology or physiology, but i am a specialist in 'me'. a little research and responsible experimentation will usually lead one to a result. caution, as always, is advised. i myself take 500mg niacinimide for atp mitochondrial production. you get the result without the "flush". though i do believe there are subtle differences that one may want to research before making a decision 1 way or another.

i am seeing the trend change through the years, thankfully, as naturopaths and chiropractors spring up here locally; but as usual, money is always the big issue.

I feel really bad for Miscavige. I know he's done an awful lot of bad in his time, but imagine what awful things they must have done to him as a child to turn him into the person he is? He looks dead behind the eyes. As for Tom Cruise, he's just a fool, a Hollywood fool looking for a Hollywood fad and he found Miscavige.

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As for Tom Cruise, he's just a fool, a Hollywood looking for a Hollywood fad and he found Miscavige.

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I feel really bad for Miscavige. I know he's done an awful lot of bad in his time, but imagine what awful things they must have done to him as a child to turn him into the person he is? He looks dead behind the eyes. As for Tom Cruise, he's just a fool, a Hollywood looking for a Hollywood fad and he found Miscavige.

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have you ever heard Cruise get interviewed? the guy is just lost without cue-cards. i mean, this guy has absolutely nothing to say, so much so that it's embarrassing to watch him. i'm not really a fan, but i find myself rooting for him, simply because it's painful to watch. he gives these very flat ,safe responses, and then he follows up with this weird maniacal laugh that one might expect from an emotionally unstable individual. he's a veritable cyborg. so strange.

Hey Chinaski, you mean this one?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=L5Zv3X_Hlck

Oh wait, it's a Tom Cruise' clone, a funnier and more sensical one! :hurt:

Here's the real, very awkward one -

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0CCIQtwIwAA

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As for Tom Cruise, he's just a fool, a Hollywood looking for a Hollywood fad and he found Miscavige.

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Don't be facetious. He let Miscavige interfere when he was going out with Kidman. Doesn't make him a genius.

lol! yeah, that's the big one, but just about any Cruise interview will do. he's made some Letterman appearances that are just...wow.

I've just been trauling through the LRH torrent linked above and it is a veritable treasure trove! Can't wait to really get my teeth into it.