Who is DRAKE: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon

Where to start? … I am presenting this information in neutrality as I am currently walking the line between revelation and disillusionment. TRUTH IS ALL THAT MATTERS.



Firstly, the man’s name is Drake K. Bailey. I need no justification in order to divulge his name as he has left it plainly for all to see on many forums and he has stated it publicly on interviews in the past 5 years. He has also left his email addresses out in plain view as well, so that people could contact him and join his group(s).

There are 4-5 email addresses and a few screen names which can be found in the links provided, so I will not directly post them here. Please though, don't be a paparazzi proctologist. Call in to a show maybe, because there is a whole can of worms in this thread with questions that beg to be answered. ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO THE DRAGON COURT AND ORDER AND THE NAHASH ILLUMINATI.

I will post enough information for you to see the connections and proof therein. If you take the time to read through all of what Drake has said in the past 15 years you will find two very different personas, they are the same person though, as you will see.

There is the Vietnam veteran, also known as “ka-boom”, who served from around 1966-1968. He counsels people dealing with PTSD, he *is a member* of the Vietnam Brotherhood, and has “filled his share of body bags.”

Then there is the other side of the coin--Drake the occultist. I know that term carries negative connotations for some, but just take some time to digest this post in its entirety before you go and lose your head.

Before I dive into everything it should be noted that Drake tried to contact Benjamin Fulford on 11/30/2011:

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/b...r-new-fin.html

He also was commenting on David Wilcock’s site before the Financial Tyranny article even came out:

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/d...occupyyourself

Just go to the link and hit CTRL F and type in “DKBailey” for the first link, and “Freeman” for the second. You will see his comment on 11/25/2011 and 1/28/2012 respectively.

Some will say this could be someone else, but it is not.

Read on with diligence and you will recognize this man’s interests and writing style.
This part of what I have to share is mostly irrelevant considering the rest of the story…

One more thing, he’s tried to contact Jesse Ventura as well (through amazon.com of all things) on 4/23/2010:

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Drake K. Bailey says:
Jesse,
We have a lot of the rest of the info you're looking for...
Been trying to contact you on this and other subjects.

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Source: http://www.amazon.com/gp/forum/cd/di...Tx39FOCSVTM9V4

You can also view his amazon.com profile which has his verified name and the alias “Freeman.” It is here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2S2F7PDDJPX3O

Okay now for the more interesting things. He is a member of the RUMORMILL NEWS and OPEN FIRE Yahoo Group, and while I was reading through his different conversations I found this:

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A simple application like this takes enormous individual effort and awareness to be real.
This is a concept that I teach when called to do so on Humanity Healing web site. I am an advisor/mentor there.
Being blood related to an Apache tribe, my grandfather taught me many things, as many as I could hear at that age.
Nice video...
Drake

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Source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RUMORM.../message/59250

So I go to HumanityHealing.net, do a user search, and find his profile along with his comments and discussions.

This is from his "About Me" section on his profile page:

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Still and forever a student of the unity point known as The Creator.
I am not an artist as those who put the video's together, my art is that of the ability to join the worlds of majic and reality together that others may experience the reality of The Great Spirit, up close and personal.
We are those who show The Path to others in the ancient tradition of a shaman.
I am known as The Dragon Master, White Dragon, as is stated in the old legend. I still have a few requirements to meet before the great conflict starts.
I am and have been a Rainbow Warrior for a long time.The more knowledge I find, the more now I am relieved of dealing with the more direct conflicts. This has morphed into a better relationship with Creation and allowed a greater depth to applicable understanding.
I am able to converse with all the creatures I have come across in our small woods. From insects to birds, we are friends. I provide some food and water as my small attempt to pay them back in some small portion for what other men have done to them and the woods.There is some info on my web site that explains more of what we do and are about.
Another Website that you can be visited at:

http://www.friendsofwarmmineralsprings.com

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Source: http://community.humanityhealing.net...le/DrakeBailey

On the same page we find this:

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I am not sure you understand what I'm expressing here.
This is not as it seems in terms dealing with the basis of the existance of realms.
Yes, I hold several 'positions of responsibilities'. The part dealing with light and dark as such seems to escape most understanding in that this is very 'real'. To be blunt, only if 'they' can pass by me 'they' will gain access to all the rest of you...like it or not, I was given the all facing rainbow sword. It was inferred with responsibility to defend our existance against those who are the thieves of light. These are few, have limited powers, and seem to like challenging me. The challenges are on several levels, physical realm, psychic, and mental power abilities. To date, I find their best to be lacking and not in a real position to offer too much of a real challenge to me. However, the average person would find them and their actions formidable in all realms.
What you will be required to face is an overwhelming amount and quantity of your greatest fears. Accompanying this is a basic loss of orientation, understanding, and lack of the ability to apply any understanding...it is not a nice 'place'... Then there is the minor problem of dealing with being directly affronted in the way you are most vulnerable and least able to resist.
The 'seer' before the last was a little more forthcoming in that I was able to exact a general report. That person expressed that I must learn as much of all of the 'things' involved with my status as quickly as possible for my own survival. Unable to access the info I needed, I enlisted my friend The Guardian of The Gate. He protected me until I learned enough to defend myself. Since that day I have been under constant threat of these 'entities' and confronted on every level 'they' percieved that gave them any advantage. At present they are attempting to stop me from writing this...
When a 'being' of greater power is intent on disrupting your life force things get a little difficult and just plane harry!!! I am eternally grateful that I am a combat vet or I wouldn't know what to do with it all.
These are the anti-thesis to everything good that is known. They are gaining power as they can in order to put out the light. Their partners in this are due to arrive here at some time in the near future...I have no idea as to what realm, form, or time as yet.
I hope no harm comes to you if you decide to 'look' into this. Just be aware that you may not even recognise them as to what they are, so be ready to do battle or you too might not come back.
Armour of light over the silver light will protect you but only for the time it takes to escape. Be very careful and God speed.
Dragos.

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I know what you're thinking.. What in the hell is going on here? What is he alluding to? Well I kept digging so don't worry, let's just keep pulling this string.

You can read through all of his discussions on the HH website here:

http://community.humanityhealing.net...=1qkttuzgzg3iu

Okay, so there was a website he linked to on his profile page. Well, it is now inactive. No worries though, we can just plug it into the internet archives and take a peek at some snapshots to see what it was all about.

Here you go:

http://web.archive.org/web/201102071...alsprings.com/

Explore that as much as you want, but be sure to scroll to the end of the page and look at who the webmaster is.

On this website of his we find this:

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curriculum of The Royal Institute

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What is this, and how does it relate to Drake? Fire up your search engines and I'll show you.

Take a look at email 99.79.8 on this page:

http://www.greatdreams.com/grace/99/...electrons.html

You will see that Drake has given himself a name tag:

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DK Bailey
L.O.R.D. Associate &
Official Spokesman
The Royal Institute

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Okay, so we see he is the Official Spokesman of The Royal Institute and that he is a L.O.R.D. Associate. Let's continue persuing the first title before we get to the latter.

Here is the link explaining what The Royal Institute is about and it's materials of study:

http://web.archive.org/web/200302041...roduction.html

OR

http://www.beautytruegood.co.uk/2dkbaily.htm

From this we can see Drake's intense passion for ancient mathematics, sacred geometry, gematria, pyramids, UFOs, harmonics, ascension, egypt, the occult, etc. He may as well be a member here on PA (he is not).

Let's dig a little here, before we move on.

He has been trying to recruit people to join his group whose mission it is to actualize the ancient's knowledge into a practical technology. That's what I got from it all. Feel free to browse through all of his conversations about physics here:

http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/gro.../message/12626

http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum....hysics&tid=891

Then there's this:

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This is my first visit to the boards, so bear with me, and try to overlook my lack of knowledge in this area.

This post is a question, a loaded one.

I am looking for the basis and origins of several interelated items.

The SATOR-ROTAS seems to have a slanted interpretaion in the translation I found. To go along with the religeous slant, there was no explanaton of its inception other than a monk decided to draw it. That seems too arbitrary, but is this factual? Then as well, there are many old traditions that have ancient ties in similar ways, such as the example of the 'eastern star' and all that goes with it.

The main subject above is also in lattin something I know nothing about again.

However, when looking at it, there is a cross formed in the middle by the word TENET. The meaning is stated as rules or workings, is this correct? Then this devides the square into four quadrants, any info on the significances of all this?

I'll make a display so everyone can see this, but just search SATOR-ROTAS to see the source.

S A T O R A magic square, a devine one? Translation? Origins?

A R E P O This is one of the basis for bible numerology, we are looking at

T E N E T this as biblical numbers that agree with the Book.

O P E R A There are numerical squares, but they agree with the above,

R O T A S and the Book too.

Finding info is difficult enough and then someone loads what they do get with their personal beliefs. That is also our stated rule of presentations that we make. No personal items of any kind are included. Our group has so far formed a direct mathematical link between Gematria and the fine structure constant( the basis for nuclear physics).

DKBailey L.O.R.D. Associate

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and this...

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It would be a great assistance if you would.

To those who are curious as to this, the applications seem to be one of a glass plotting field like the military use on their ships. The second area is one of creating a 3D reality image of the resultants we have already found.

The third is to open this door, as it has been designated.

I believe we have the location of the starway that leads to this, and all that is needed now is an accurate translation to finish the work.IF anyone knows the origin of this in idealogical form please let me know.

Thank you all.

Dragos

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Source: http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum....medren&tid=566

Then there's this taken from http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum....hysics&tid=891 :

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I was led to belive that there were real scientific minds involved in these board posts.

If you have any math background or general knowledge of physics you will recognise a portion of what I posted.

I am currently working actively with Jerry Luliano who is associated with Dr.Leahy. Then there are people such as Hoagland, Sitchen, and others.

Try looking at Carl Munks site. Or try this list, 82944 and the God particle, Geomusic, or biblemaths.com. All relativity, math, and ancient sites on line.

After that equate what is known from these to our present theoretical applications and you will find that the present system cannot compute reality or creation based ideas in our current mathematical comprehention. However, when looked at through the application of the ancient numbers of Gematria, computation is possible. Unity of mind and reality were what that was all about.

Yes, you do not understand, exactly that. There is a major gap between ideology and theoretical physics applications that requires a mind that is open enough to reasonably look at that which is beyond your limitation of understanding of reality and its presentation.
Dr. Colon James Hamer's site is one place you can find one reference to a partial listing of our research sites. It is called Creativity House. You will find some interesting reviews of many of the books and articles published by some of the best known researchers on the planet as well. I am in contact with many of them.

No sheep, please. The planet is full of them. I prefer those who are actively involved in teaching or research of theoretical physics and mathematics. The closer to the cutting edge the better.

We are actively seeking funding to prototype our findings. A fully functional physics lab of our specifications would be required. As to personal financial requirements, presently our group is starting out. We have a class that brings one up to speed in the knowledge to function at this level. The class needs about $150 to put it on line. The cost of the class is $63.36. We offer an advanced class on location following that. We intend to offer a news letter and membership. Members get discounts on costs.

Math of The Ancients referes to those who knew what you would see at certain archealogical sites in mathematical form, and their respective applications, intent and usages.

The reference to the trinity is one dealing with the first used number of three(3). In all its implications. To deny this is to deny your own existance, and much of the basis of the math as posted. A flat geometric does not allow for a real object or any ideas of quanta either, now does it?

A persons physicality as you know it resides in the body, and intellect alone? Then what of psychic or spiritual experiences? Beyond that, then show me how to state these things in formula with the accent on bringing these things into reality.

We have many of the mathematical proofs for thought, spirit, and reality. This is what is offered. With a proper lab they can be proved, just as the mathematics states. Send me an E and I'll send you a paper that will show you an overview of this. Feel free to post it if you want.

You state that reality is the only consideration of all who post on this site. I offer the rest of the equation that ties expressions of present physics all the way to the spiritual realm of reality.

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Remember in the interview with DW, when they were talking about advanced technology? The "materializer" - this was one of the things he was trying to work on... using harmonic frequencies and such.. He talked about it briefly (and I mean only for a sentence or two) somewhere in these conversations. Feel free to click on the links and explore the dialogue.

On most of these types of physics forums his presence seemed to annoy most of the PhD holders. His stated reason for being there was that he was essentially "fishing" for people to join his team for research.

One more while we are here:

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I have only one question.
As I do not know the levels any of you might have attained,it is sort of an open ended one.
Within the three level ascension, there is found the levels of psychic, demi-god, and creator.
Has anyone gained audience with the demi-gods,started their physical metamorphysis, or ascended?
Let me know.
DKB

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Source: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/pr...l;sa,showPosts

Okay, now I feel we can move on to the next part. What is L.O.R.D. associate?

It stands for Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon. The original Nahash Illuminati.

You have to view Drake's "The Royal Institute" page through the internet archives to make the connection:

http://web.archive.org/web/200302041...roduction.html

Now, scroll down to the bottom of the page. Next, click the "Assorted Equations for Initiates" link under GEOMUSIC ARTICLES AND DIAGRAMS.

You should be at this page now (this next quote was not made by Drake, nor was it taken directly from his website, it is from a link on a website of his): http://web.archive.org/web/200302121...nkeely/ae.html

Scroll to the bottom again and you will find this:

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These will be comprehensive to the initiates of the Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon (the original Nahash Illuminati) obviously anyone stumbling upon these serious meaningful equations will need the backround info of The Code Of The Ancients...

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Drake means Dragon, and as I've previously stated in another thread, there are no coincidences.

This is only part one, which is just THE FACTS.

Everything is not as it seems with Drake, I will say that much.

Please, put down the popcorn and DIG into the information I have presented here before you click reply and tell me that Drake has said that people post under his name yata yata yata.

I will leave you with this...

Posted by Drake on Humanity Healing in 2008:

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I am, and have been a Rainbow Warrior most of my life. As such I am the defender few experience and fewer 'see'. I am the one standing between those who misuse their powers that visit the innocent in dreams. I was commissioned through ceremony, recomended by the lesser gods to the greater gods, and given great understandings, those beyond most comprehension.As such I will stand my post to be called when needed.
Because of this I am attempting to offer information to be heralded through-out mankind, that man might once again be free to enjoy peace.
Due to my position I have been very busy in efforts to start a world wide peace process involving Iraq and the middle east. The opening of dialog with all our fellow earthlings is just the beginning. There is a great deal more to come. I am a licensed counselor of a different sort. I do not get into a persons head. Rather I give them the tools needed for them to heal themselves. My primary areas are P.T.S.D. for veterans and families in distress. My system works on any kind of stress from any source.
I hope this clearifies what is presented here.
I have been given permission to illucidate on being a light being.This will be a part of my final posting for these purposes.

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I really could have bolded that whole quote.

Here's the last one I'll share and then y'all are going to have to read the rest for yourselves:

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Date and time: Dec 7, 2001:12:37 EST
Name: Drake Bailey
Country: United States
Comments:
Seems that there are many of these maps and sites about the destruction of the majority of humanity. Who is looking at what changes are called for to prevent these things in the future? I understand that there might be ways to modify the coming events as well, who knows about that? What length of time before we are at the point that our survival is no longer in jepardy afterwards? How much of all this has been compared or overlayed to see where we might best survive? Our research group has been involved in this and other areas for some time now, and we do see this coming, but our dates are different as to meaning. 1998 + 3, 2003-7 & 2012. The first, the point of no return, or beginning; second, the real obvious beginning of change as in the magnetic shifts & weather, and volcanistics begin; third, the major shifts take place, or the hight of them. My best educated guess is that by 2015 things should be settled down pretty much, got anything on that? Has the cause and effect of why been addressed? Is this realy a natural thing, or is there some entity involved? I would like those things to be addressed. Thank you for your time. DKB

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From the OPEN FIRE yahoo group of which he is a member.

Again I want to reiterate that I'm not going to inject any bias into what is presented here. Could he be who he says he is in his entirety? Or could he just be a guy with delusions of granduer? I'm just presenting the facts here. This is about scrutiny.

As I said I'll post part two later tonight. I have to eat and give my fingers a rest.

Fire up your search engines.

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P.S. added May 7, 2012 by Paul:

Drake has contacted us (this forum's moderators) objecting to the accuracy of some of the material above. We have invited him to provide us with his own statement on these matters, for us to consider posting here, so long as it is in accordance with our forum guidelines.

Meanwhile, pending the receipt of such a statement from Drake, I am posting below some comments he made on these matters, taken from KiwiElf's transcript of a recent audio of Deatra and Drake available here.

In this audio, Drake said (in part, and modulo any errors in transcription):

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Some of the information's correct. Information wise, they've made
a couple of glaring errors. One of the things I see that they're really adept
at doing is creating controversy by taking a snip out of somebody's
overall conversation and saying, "See, I told ya he was nasty," sorta
thing. Clearly childish in some ways, but it put an interesting political
spin on it. Now, I was a member of a group of veterans called, The Vietnam
Brotherhood, and they're trying to say that, or state, actually they do
state, in that post, that I was the founder of it, which I am not.

Now, what they don't know is that these people are very sensitive about
that, and I'll be surprised if they don't file in conjunction with me,
the law suit that is probably gonna come at ya.

The second part of this is, where they accuse me of being an "Illuminati"
and I really take issue with that because I am not a baby-torturing
thinga-ma-bob that most of the Illuminati are. They accuse me of this
because I, at one time I was affiliated with a group known as Loyal
Order of the Royal Dragon.

Now anybody that's done any homework listening to anything and paid
any attention at all has heard of the White Dragon Society, they have
heard of the "families". That's what this pertains to. It does not have
diddely squat to do with the Illuminati! The Illuminati won't go near
those people for one fact: their orders from the "higher ups" in those
groups is to dismember them on sight. And I guarantee you, I know a few
of these people and they are very much capable of doing just exactly that.

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Now, I have talked to a couple of people and they're having a little
trouble correlating Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon with the Dragon
Family. This goes to a secret society royal bloodline that are the ones
who kept the collateral accounts safe. Now that's pretty awesome if
you think about it. This is what we're fighting against, the present
economic system, about these people stealing, leveraging borrowing
from these collateral accounts for years. Not only do they owe that,
they also owe a per annum fee for portions of the allowed usage of those
collateral accounts. At this point, they cannot pay.

Well, the problem with the combination of that is, the Illuminati would
love to get their scanners on those accounts, simply so they can continue
to suppress the people, and the efforts of the website tend to show that
these people seem to like that idea, or they would not denigrate someone
without doing research. Now the research is simple. Anybody who's got a
computer can look up "The Vietnam Brotherhood" and see that I'm not the
owner, they don't got one. And I was not the founder,.. I joined long
after they started.

Number two. Anybody with a computer, and you know, you gotta be able
to type a lil bit ... you know, L, O, R, D ... when you put that into
the computer: Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon, look at the Royal Dragon
Society and then you'll understand, because it is a "loyalty oath" to the
morality involved in the lives lead by the people who were responsible,
not only "to" but also "for" other people. For their betterment to make
sure their lives were not... too unbearable, and this was done in a
variety of ways, and has been for thousands of years.

So, you have denigrated the Dragon Families and the people associated
with them in this process.

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**EDIT/UPDATE** - see response to Drake's comments here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post483938

I will post part two in a couple of hours. It will mostly deal with:

Dragon Sovereignty (Rex Deus)

The Imperial and Royal Dragon Court and Order

Merlin's Prophesies

and more about Drake being "the White Dragon" and wielding "the rainbow sword", and my speculations on what the Guardian of the Gate is. I'm basically trying to tie it all together... and I think I'm getting warmer.

My fingers are cramping and my stomach is howling though! As the governator once said, "I'll be back"

EDIT:

I'm not saying part two is coming so await in suspence or anything like that. I was just going to give my two cents worth about all of this. Google those terms I mentioned. Along with these:

Native American Rainbow Warriors

Aryans and Archons and Rex Deus

Merlins Prophecies and the White Dragon

Rainbow Sword

Babylon Workings

Read about these and then re-read about Drake with regards to what is presented about him here.

I would like TRANSPARENCY from him. The last thing we need is secrecy when it comes to secret societies.

I'm going to go back to reading now...

EDIT: I will make the post tomorrow as it is a lot of information to go through and I'm trying to separate the sand from the sugar... I should add that most of you could most likely find this stuff...

Wow I am impressed with your fact finding abilities, this is allot of information

to go through. I think we need more people like you who search for the truth

and verify some of the things people are saying. I look forward to part 2 thanks

for the information you presented.

I like what I see. I know there are others beside him who do this important work. Not many, but there are others. Mostly work alone as the solitary path keeps one honest and away from the kind of dogma that can form in a group. Reality is a personal affair, the one we create to interface with is a consensus one and close scrutiny and examination would show it for the approximation it is.

With all of that said, I am unsure as to the purpose of this thread. The world might be in upheaval tomorrow, so the semi-private (I know it is on the web) path one walks over the course of a decade or more simply makes us voyeurs, IMO. I know my view is the minority. It is just stuff like this that allows Kim Kardashian to be a celebrity. People actually care what other people do in their private lives. This will provide ample distraction and fuel for opinions to create a fair amount of noise. This should amuse the elite watchers. A thread about preparations? No. A thread about a man who has been a student of the Arts and Sacred Sciences and is willing to stand as a warrior.

I've said my piece and will stand aside now as I will not fit in here.

Your investigative work is noted Vivek. Impressive.

Please google DK Bailey Royal Institute.

I'm not so sure the person you've found fits in with having a Vietnam tour. It has been suggested that Drake is using an online persona, which many people do.

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I am pro-Drake. If you are trying to align him with Royal Institute of International Affairs then I think you're mistaken. I suggested searching on google b/c it shows this particular name to be affiliated with an entity different than RIIA.

"and more about Drake being "the White Dragon" and wielding "the rainbow sword", and my speculations on what the Guardian of the Gate is. I'm basically trying to tie it all together... and I think I'm getting warmer."

I think you will find the "White Dragon" is the White rainbow and the "Rainbow Sword" is giving you the hint about it being a rainbow... and your inference to the word GATE is bang on... so its a portal formed by a white rainbow beam...
Have fun

Wow thanks ! I've kinda avoidied the whole arrests thing and am taking a wait and see approach. I personally have no doubt we are in the process of a major paradigm shift..as I am experiencing it very dramatically from within. My personal world has become incredibly free-flowing and beautiful as this transformation occurs. However how this will look in the wider world is completely unknown, so I am just observing with an open mind. This info you have produced here is intriguing...excellent research. I'm looking forward to watching this show unfold. Keep up the good work :) Thanks

Wow - Vivek - if most of this is true, I am even more impressed with Drake - few of us have actual hands on experience with the many paths and societies - great research -

I will say the presentation format and tone of your posts smacks of an intention to discredit him but I may be wrong there.

Its sorta funny but on Sunday's broadcast, Drake mentioned his years in dabbling into the occult, etc. My respect for him rose even further when I heard that. Experience is generally always the best teacher.

I still hope the actions he has been speaking about go to the next level and I doubt revelations about his name, his past would effect the confidence from most of us who have also walked the many paths of life - those of us who seek a better world for the life we have left and the life we hand our descendants.

Modwiz - Thanks for your response - very well presented.

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Please google DK Bailey Royal Institute.

I'm not so sure the person you've found fits in with having a Vietnam tour. It has been suggested that Drake is using an online persona, which many people do.

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You can go directly to his friends of warm mineral springs website through the internet archives and find his email listed as the web master. You can also find posts about him talking about being a vet, on the sites I listed, none of which have to do with government really.

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Posted by modwiz

I like what I see. I know there are others beside him who do this important work. Not many, but there are others. Mostly work alone as the solitary path keeps one honest and away from the kind of dogma that can form in a group. Reality is a personal affair, the one we create to interface with is a consensus one and close scrutiny and examination would show it for the approximation it is.

With all of that said, I am unsure as to the purpose of this thread. The world might be in upheaval tomorrow, so the semi-private (I know it is on the web) path one walks over the course of a decade or more simply makes us voyeurs, IMO. I know my view is the minority. It is just stuff like this that allows Kim Kardashian to be a celebrity. People actually care what other people do in their private lives. This will provide ample distraction and fuel for opinions to create a fair amount of noise. This should amuse the elite watchers. A thread about preparations? No. A thread about a man who has been a student of the Arts and Sacred Sciences and is willing to stand as a warrior.

I've said my piece and will stand aside now as I will not fit in here.

Your investigative work is noted Vivek. Impressive.

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That is my leaning thus far as well. Just so y'all know. That being said, I'm not about to get comfortable with what people try and feed me. So, I will keep up with this whole Drake movement, but I will be wary of certain people behind the scenes that are in all probabilty more clever than I.

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Wow - Vivek - if most of this is true, I am even more impressed with Drake - few of us have actual hands on experience with the many paths and societies - great research -

I will say the presentation format and tone of your posts smacks of an intention to discredit him but I may be wrong there.

Its sorta funny but on Sunday's broadcast, Drake mentioned his years in dabbling into the occult, etc. My respect for him rose even further when I heard that. Experience is generally always the best teacher.

I still hope the actions he has been speaking about go to the next level and I doubt revelations about his name, his past would effect the confidence from most of us who have also walked the many paths of life and seek e better world for the life we have left and the life we hand our descendants.

Modwiz - Thanks for your response - very well presented.

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I'm not trying to discredit the man, my intentions are to present the facts about him as this can help those with ears to hear understand what is going on. I like the guy, but some of this stuff concerns me a little.. that's all I'm sayin'

And this isn't to you specifically but whoever reads the OP can add whatever flavor packet of koolaid they want to and drink it. I ain't drinkin' nobodys koolaid! So don't think you know what koolaid I'm drinkin' cause I can't decide on a flavor yet.

OK, so you've outed the mans real name. Kudos to you. The Drake on the radio already stated that he had gone down the path of the dark side and rejected it. Most of what you have uncovered is in line with his passion to do right by humanity. So, what are you (OP) inferring and what is your motive? You seem to have gone out of your way to uncover a bunch of information that does not paint a picture that different from what Drake is saying on the radio. I'm sure that this is the stuff that the OP lives for. However, I prefer to use my intuition to discern truth since anyone can portray themselves as anything they desire at any given moment on the internet. So far, I continue to have a positive feeling about Drake as well as the positive beings that have aligned with him.

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OK, so you've outed the mans real name. Kudos to you. The Drake on the radio already stated that he had gone down the path of the dark side and rejected it. Most of what you have uncovered is in line with his passion to do right by humanity. So, what are you (OP) inferring and what is your motive? You seem to have gone out of your way to uncover a bunch of information that does not paint a picture that different from what Drake is saying on the radio. I'm sure that this is the stuff that the OP lives for. However, I prefer to use my intuition to discern truth since anyone can portray themselves as anything they desire at any given moment on the internet. So far, I continue to have a positive feeling about Drake as well as the positive beings that have aligned with him.

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I see you have become disturbed from your comfortable state of positive feelings. May I direct your intuition to discern the post above yours before you start slapping your motives on me?

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So, I will keep up with this whole Drake movement, but I will be wary of certain people behind the scenes that are in all probabilty more clever than I.

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This statement finally touches on what has been sticking in my craw about the whole Drake thing the last few days. The next in line of people for the alternative community to look to for answers and/or hope outside of ourselves?

When ever we are being prompted to look outside of ourselves for any meaningful answers or solutions, we are being manipulated. It's as simple as that, IMHO that is.:sad:

Cheers,
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I see Vivek also has a keen interest in the esoteric and the spiritual. Here are the threads he has started in the last year since joining.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sear...archid=4313910

That would include a large percentage of those here as well. My main question about "vetting" anyone, is: Would they choose to use their new-found powers of the occult for the betterment of all life, or for their own nefarious reasons?

I've often cautioned about those who use artificial means to tap into the higher dimensions, and cautioned taking too seriously the lower dimensions which still contain duality in them (most channeled stuff these days). Until you get to the causal level, it's difficult to discern what is the intent of the disembodied being you are in communion with.

At this point, how one gets there is not a big issue for me, as the saying goes "all roads lead to Rome" or, all the trails on the mountain eventually get to the apex... we'll see. I'm more concerned about the idea of "sovereignty" and peoples understanding of what it is. I'm working on a similar thesis to address that and hope to have it posted in a few days.

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[ Mod-edit: the above link won't work - see my post a couple further down. -Paul. ]

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I'm not trying to discredit the man, my intentions are to present the facts about him as this can help those with ears to hear understand what is going on. I like the guy, but some of this stuff concerns me a little.. that's all I'm sayin'

And this isn't to you specifically but whoever reads the OP can add whatever flavor packet of koolaid they want to and drink it. I ain't drinkin' nobodys koolaid! So don't think you know what koolaid I'm drinkin' cause I can't decide on a flavor yet.

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Thanks for clarifying this Vivek. I trust your stated intentions. Again, quite impressive all your research - it shows you care. I honored your research by reading over your text and accessing the links you have supplied. I am eagerly awaiting your subsequent posts. If anything, Drake is quite a fascinating guy.

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Please google DK Bailey Royal Institute.

I'm not so sure the person you've found fits in with having a Vietnam tour. It has been suggested that Drake is using an online persona, which many people do.

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I am pro-Drake. If you are trying to align him with Royal Institute of International Affairs then I think you're mistaken. I suggested searching on google b/c it shows this particular name to be affiliated with an entity different than RIIA.

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Hi Alie - this is not the Royal Institute of International Affairs - follow Vivek's links and see what it is really about.

Vivek is doing some impressive research and I believe his intentions are honorable.

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Here are the threads he [Vivek] has started in the last year since joining.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sear...archid=4313910

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That forum search link will not work for anyone else, gripreaper. That's a limitation of the forum software. Sorry.

So far as I know, the best you can do is recommend to others what terms and values to search for.

Thank you for your investigation :-)

I heard Drake speak for several hours a couple days ago on Wolf Spirit Radio, and he shared a great deal of what you have uncovered here. Because it was an unusally long interview he also went quit far with explaining his own personal belief structures and was not guarded about his feelings about the Creator or animal spirits & nature etc.

As usual I came away with the certainty of my own intuition that what this man is attempting (be it successful to the extent of his passion or not) is coming from the heart and is being presented in earnest with great faith in the outcome.

I do appreciate the effort put into your findings however and applaud the due diligence, which is so impotant :grouphug:

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OK, so you've outed the mans real name. Kudos to you. The Drake on the radio already stated that he had gone down the path of the dark side and rejected it. Most of what you have uncovered is in line with his passion to do right by humanity. So, what are you (OP) inferring and what is your motive? You seem to have gone out of your way to uncover a bunch of information that does not paint a picture that different from what Drake is saying on the radio. I'm sure that this is the stuff that the OP lives for. However, I prefer to use my intuition to discern truth since anyone can portray themselves as anything they desire at any given moment on the internet. So far, I continue to have a positive feeling about Drake as well as the positive beings that have aligned with him.

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I see you have become disturbed from your comfortable state of positive feelings. May I direct your intuition to discern the post above yours before you start slapping your motives on me?

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No, on the contrary, your vast research of internet findings has done nothing to effect the vibratory frequency by which I operate. That is not possible by you or any other. If anything, it has strengthened it. Honestly, when I first took a cursory glance of your work, this is the first thing that came to mind…

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40

Although your findings have all the trappings of a CIA file, I've yet to see the point. Like justoneman, if your findings are factual, I now have greater respect for the the man via his bone fides; which was more or less a given in my book provided his affiliation and affection for David Wilcock.

I only questioned what your motive is and have insinuated nothing; although your intent is fairly obvious from your title-to discredit the man based on the preconceived notions of others within the groups you mention in your title. Yes, that is your intent weather you realize it or not, by the use of the the word "REALLY" in you title (Who DRAKE really is: the Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon, the Illuminati, and 201). Words do matter when you are trying to convey information. It is clear that you have prejudged the man based on past affiliations. Hopefully others will not jump to conclusions about the man's intent based on past affiliations. As mentioned previously, he has admitted more than once that he has dabbled on the dark side only to head toward the light. Well done Drake! Polarity is a choice and he has chosen well.

I spent a decade doing conspiracy research and at the end my conclusion was "ok, I have all this info at my fingertips, now what?" And thus, I posit that question upon you. I know, I know, you'll likely take the stance that you are merely the messenger and if that is the case then so be it.

Best of luck seeking within the past, I for one only need to look to the future to see that in the end, conspiracy based info. including everything that you have presented will only make for good campfire stories for my grandchildren one day:o

Is jumping to conclusions a good idea?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uxuTyXQHqkI

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OK, so you've outed the mans real name. Kudos to you. The Drake on the radio already stated that he had gone down the path of the dark side and rejected it. Most of what you have uncovered is in line with his passion to do right by humanity. So, what are you (OP) inferring and what is your motive? You seem to have gone out of your way to uncover a bunch of information that does not paint a picture that different from what Drake is saying on the radio. I'm sure that this is the stuff that the OP lives for. However, I prefer to use my intuition to discern truth since anyone can portray themselves as anything they desire at any given moment on the internet. So far, I continue to have a positive feeling about Drake as well as the positive beings that have aligned with him.

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I see you have become disturbed from your comfortable state of positive feelings. May I direct your intuition to discern the post above yours before you start slapping your motives on me?

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No, on the contrary, your vast research of internet findings has done nothing to effect the vibratory frequency by which I operate. That is not possible by you or any other. If anything, it has strengthened it. Honestly, when I first took a cursory glance of your work, this is the first thing that came to mind…

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40

Although your findings have all the trappings of a CIA file, I've yet to see the point. Like justoneman, if your findings are factual, I now have greater respect for the the man via his bone fides; which was more or less a given in my book provided his affiliation and affection for David Wilcock.

I only questioned what your motive is and have insinuated nothing; although your intent is fairly obvious from your title-to discredit the man based on the preconceived notions of others within the groups you mention in your title. Hopefully others will not jump to conclusions about the man's intent based on past affiliations. As mentioned previously, he has admitted more than once that he has dabbled on the dark side only to head toward the light. Well done Drake! Polarity is a choice and he has chosen well.

I spent a decade doing conspiracy research and at the end my conclusion was "ok, I have all this info at my fingertips, now what?" And thus, I posit that question upon you. I know, I know, you'll likely take the stance that you are merely the messenger and if that is the case then so be it.

Best of luck seeking within the past, I for one only need to look to the future to see that in the end, conspiracy based info. including everything that you have presented will only make for good campfire stories for my grandchildren one day:o

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I think you may be surprised by how much we agree on. I think you may have a point on the thread title with regards to preconceived notions. I will change that.

Please quit saying my intentions are obvious, because you obviously don't understand my viewpoints on Drake as I haven't explained them in the OP. You can look at my personal commentary about the matter here (in this thread) and else where. Feel free to search my recent posts.

Ps- I love the dramatic groundhog vid

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I think you may be surprised by how much we agree on. I think you may have a point on the thread title with regards to preconceived notions. I will change that.

Please quit saying my intentions are obvious, because you obviously don't understand my viewpoints on Drake as I haven't explained them in the OP. You can look at my personal commentary about the matter here (in this thread) and else where. Feel free to search my recent posts.

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Fair enough. If I were to change the title to be more impartial and eliminate prejudgement, then it would simply be "Drake's identity revealed"; or something along those lines.

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If I were to change the title to be more impartial and eliminate prejudgement, then it would simply be "Drake's identity revealed"; or something along those lines.

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I just changed the thread title, from "Who DRAKE really is: the Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon, the Illuminati, and 2012", to "Who is DRAKE: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon", at the request of the original poster, Vivek. :). He made the request to me prior to your post.

EDIT: Deleted - done! Nice title! :)

Just a note (from http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com/...of-gods.html):

In the old Hebrew Bibles, all references to serpents are made by use of the word nahash (from the stem NHSH); but this usage does not relate to serpents in the way that we would know them - that is, as venomous snakes. It relates to serpents in their traditional capacity as bringers of wisdom and enlightenment, for the word nahash actually means 'to decipher' or 'to find out'.

Serpents, in one form or another, were always associated with wisdom and healing, and the Trees of Life and Knowledge are customarily identified with serpents.

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Being born in the Year of the Snake, I am very aware that snakes do not have the same connotations in the East that we in the West often have for them, such as "a snake in the grass." Very different meanings.

Although it is clear Drake is not wanting to advertise his last name it is also clear that learning his identity is not that difficult. In fact, a Facebook friend emailed me his name over a week ago from the research she did. I personally have chosen not to give his last name to people simply because I knew that he would prefer that.

All in all however, I find that his persona on the radio shows seems very open, including about himself and things he has been involved in, etc. I like his overall transparency. I want to remember to say a prayer for him and for all the good and brave people that are helping in this Mission to free the United States from its bitter yoke.

And I pray for change -- real change. Real, real, real, REAL change -- for the better of humanity.

The powers that were have lived off the rest of humanity like parasites. We no longer wish to remain their host...!

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Just a note (from http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com/...of-gods.html):

In the old Hebrew Bibles, all references to serpents are made by use of the word nahash (from the stem NHSH); but this usage does not relate to serpents in the way that we would know them - that is, as venomous snakes. It relates to serpents in their traditional capacity as bringers of wisdom and enlightenment, for the word nahash actually means 'to decipher' or 'to find out'.

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From my research there are three meanings for Nachash and it depends on where the dots and tittles are placed. For instance in Genesis in the garden of Eden, the word is not Snake at all, but shining one. Shining one links back to the idea of Illumination and Satan mascarading as an Angel (Messenger) of Light. The really hard part is in understanding where the light is coming from, and is it really ultimately for our good or just to gain more control. Many people are stressed and dislike it when they are given hope based on a story and someone else comes along and shows the holes in the story. That's a lot of what I am seeing with Drake.

He has some pretty amazing writings about healing and such which most people I have associated with align their thoughts to as well. I am going to continue to dig and find out more about this particular Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon. There is some very interesting stuff on the Dragon bloodline which interestingly Constantine came from and the Catholic Church uses his apparent bestowing of his authority on them to carry out what they do based on that authority.

These are some sites I have been reading on and quite frankly I had to take a break since last night's searching in the Dragon bloodline as it just gets a bit much:

http://drakenberg.weebly.com/

I'm not a big fan of wiki, but there was this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Dragon

This particular info was a lot to read, but well worth it:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dr...lordring07.htm

I took this quote as interesting:

* Drakenberg is the legally recognized name of the Nation State of the Dragon Peoples. Drakenberg was officially recognized by default in 1997, by one Western Government. The Dragons wanted to see whether they could get their old enemies to recognize the Kingdom of the Elves, they having spent 1000 years attempting to eradicate all trace of it from the public consciousness. The exercise was successful and Drakenberg - The Dragon Sovereignty - (Lothlorien, if you like) exists with all the powers of an incorporeal state of peoples as defined by the United Nations. Essentially therefore, being an Elf or a Dragon is a recognized nationality! This was a serious political move undertaken for serious environmental and social reasons. Enquiries in this regard concerning DNA tests should be directed to Dragoncourt.org.
(Dragoncourt.org link does not work)

The name changes, the history changes regarding the names was a lot to go through which I did find very interesting. Are some of us more "gifted" naturally and thus bloodlines matter and that's why the families were so careful? Then instead of being Kings and Queens who brought blessings and took care of their people, they became corrupted and desired to be worshipped and/or just keep the people down and as their servants. They have lost their right to lead because of their abusive ways. It is time for change, and it is coming.

This is the content page which was well worth the read:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dr...l_lordring.htm

I see this sovereignty issue tied to the Dragon bloodline and thus it may be a big part of Drake's push as well.

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Just a note (from http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com/...of-gods.html):

In the old Hebrew Bibles, all references to serpents are made by use of the word nahash (from the stem NHSH); but this usage does not relate to serpents in the way that we would know them - that is, as venomous snakes. It relates to serpents in their traditional capacity as bringers of wisdom and enlightenment, for the word nahash actually means 'to decipher' or 'to find out'.

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From my research there are three meanings for Nachash and it depends on where the dots and tittles are placed. For instance in Genesis in the garden of Eden, the word is not Snake at all, but shining one. Shining one links back to the idea of Illumination and Satan mascarading as an Angel (Messenger) of Light. The really hard part is in understanding where the light is coming from, and is it really ultimately for our good or just to gain more control. Many people are stressed and dislike it when they are given hope based on a story and someone else comes along and shows the holes in the story. That's a lot of what I am seeing with Drake.

He has some pretty amazing writings about healing and such which most people I have associated with align their thoughts to as well. I am going to continue to dig and find out more about this particular Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon. There is some very interesting stuff on the Dragon bloodline which interestingly Constantine came from and the Catholic Church uses his apparent bestowing of his authority on them to carry out what they do based on that authority.

These are some sites I have been reading on and quite frankly I had to take a break since last night's searching in the Dragon bloodline as it just gets a bit much:

http://drakenberg.weebly.com/

I'm not a big fan of wiki, but there was this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Dragon

This particular info was a lot to read, but well worth it:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dr...lordring07.htm

I took this quote as interesting:

* Drakenberg is the legally recognized name of the Nation State of the Dragon Peoples. Drakenberg was officially recognized by default in 1997, by one Western Government. The Dragons wanted to see whether they could get their old enemies to recognize the Kingdom of the Elves, they having spent 1000 years attempting to eradicate all trace of it from the public consciousness. The exercise was successful and Drakenberg - The Dragon Sovereignty - (Lothlorien, if you like) exists with all the powers of an incorporeal state of peoples as defined by the United Nations. Essentially therefore, being an Elf or a Dragon is a recognized nationality! This was a serious political move undertaken for serious environmental and social reasons. Enquiries in this regard concerning DNA tests should be directed to Dragoncourt.org.
(Dragoncourt.org link does not work)

The name changes, the history changes regarding the names was a lot to go through which I did find very interesting. Are some of us more "gifted" naturally and thus bloodlines matter and that's why the families were so careful? Then instead of being Kings and Queens who brought blessings and took care of their people, they became corrupted and desired to be worshipped and/or just keep the people down and as their servants. They have lost their right to lead because of their abusive ways. It is time for change, and it is coming.

This is the content page which was well worth the read:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dr...l_lordring.htm

I see this sovereignty issue tied to the Dragon bloodline and thus it may be a big part of Drake's push as well.

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This being the Chinese year of the Dragon, 2012 being the year marking the entrance to the age of Aquarius, dragon sovereignty, the perennial philosophies of the ORIGINAL Illuminati, the Nahash (nachach), reptilians/archons, bloodlines/DNA... All of these things are important I think when considering all of this.

Who are we really fighting in this whole Drake thing, and who are we really fighting for?

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Just a note (from http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com/...of-gods.html):

In the old Hebrew Bibles, all references to serpents are made by use of the word nahash (from the stem NHSH); but this usage does not relate to serpents in the way that we would know them - that is, as venomous snakes. It relates to serpents in their traditional capacity as bringers of wisdom and enlightenment, for the word nahash actually means 'to decipher' or 'to find out'.

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From my research there are three meanings for Nachash and it depends on where the dots and tittles are placed. For instance in Genesis in the garden of Eden, the word is not Snake at all, but shining one. Shining one links back to the idea of Illumination and Satan mascarading as an Angel (Messenger) of Light. The really hard part is in understanding where the light is coming from, and is it really ultimately for our good or just to gain more control. Many people are stressed and dislike it when they are given hope based on a story and someone else comes along and shows the holes in the story. That's a lot of what I am seeing with Drake.

He has some pretty amazing writings about healing and such which most people I have associated with align their thoughts to as well. I am going to continue to dig and find out more about this particular Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon. There is some very interesting stuff on the Dragon bloodline which interestingly Constantine came from and the Catholic Church uses his apparent bestowing of his authority on them to carry out what they do based on that authority.

These are some sites I have been reading on and quite frankly I had to take a break since last night's searching in the Dragon bloodline as it just gets a bit much:

http://drakenberg.weebly.com/

I'm not a big fan of wiki, but there was this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Dragon

This particular info was a lot to read, but well worth it:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dr...lordring07.htm

I took this quote as interesting:

* Drakenberg is the legally recognized name of the Nation State of the Dragon Peoples. Drakenberg was officially recognized by default in 1997, by one Western Government. The Dragons wanted to see whether they could get their old enemies to recognize the Kingdom of the Elves, they having spent 1000 years attempting to eradicate all trace of it from the public consciousness. The exercise was successful and Drakenberg - The Dragon Sovereignty - (Lothlorien, if you like) exists with all the powers of an incorporeal state of peoples as defined by the United Nations. Essentially therefore, being an Elf or a Dragon is a recognized nationality! This was a serious political move undertaken for serious environmental and social reasons. Enquiries in this regard concerning DNA tests should be directed to Dragoncourt.org.
(Dragoncourt.org link does not work)

The name changes, the history changes regarding the names was a lot to go through which I did find very interesting. Are some of us more "gifted" naturally and thus bloodlines matter and that's why the families were so careful? Then instead of being Kings and Queens who brought blessings and took care of their people, they became corrupted and desired to be worshipped and/or just keep the people down and as their servants. They have lost their right to lead because of their abusive ways. It is time for change, and it is coming.

This is the content page which was well worth the read:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dr...l_lordring.htm

I see this sovereignty issue tied to the Dragon bloodline and thus it may be a big part of Drake's push as well.

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Thank You Unified Serenity for your further research.

Unless the researcher has really looked deep, they would likely never discover there are some not so secret, secret societies that appear to be benevolent. I have direct experience with one though I am not a member. In that experience I was introduced to the society where an interesting fellow named Prince Nicholas de Vere von Drakenberg plays a significant roll. Here is a biography.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...goncourt_a.htm

Nick wrote an e-book in the mid 80s and it later became a published book - you can still read the original e-book, here is the link. This book made more impact upon me that any book I have ever read.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dr...goncourt02.htm

Note: this material goes pretty deep for most laymen though is basic material for a true occultist. I found the material fascinating but have always had difficulty with the blood line aspect of it as most of us likely would.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...goncourt04.htm

If the societies in which Drake has been involved (if he has been involved) are of the nature of the societies Nick de Vere has been involved, then I, personally have no issue regarding this association. In fact, I am further impressed.

But one has to do quite a bit of study here to be able to draw any conclusions as to thumbs up or thumbs down.

I can assure you that if you do spend the time to study this area, study a great deal of the occult (which does not mean you need to practice black or any other magic, conjure spirits, any of that stuff) you may be surprised what parts of your own spirituality you might awaken to.

I do not suggest anyone do this unless they are a very well grounded individual to begin with.

Anyways, it would be interesting if Drake had current and/or past affiliations.

By the way, I recently heard a web broadcast where Nick de Vere stated he was a Gnostic Christian. That is not a religion by the way - more of a statement of your being.

Recalling Nick de Vere and his material - He suggests that the current "royalty" is a false royalty and does not possess the true "dragon blood" that royalty must possess (at least they do not possess the higher percentages) - Nick also states that the ancient dragon-priest queens/kings were appreciated for their gifts which could only be possessed by those of the purest dragon blood. Civilizations that existed with these beliefs treated the dragon-priest queens/kings with great respect because of their wisdom. He uses several terms to refer to these dragon queens and kings such as faeries, vampires, and other terms. He goes into etymology in explaining how and where these terms came about. I recall one thing he said, "A queen can be a true queen without a king but a king can never be a true king without a queen." My intuition agrees with that assertion. I am just throwing stuff out there as it returns to my memory...
justoneman

I am interested in the dragon peoples being recognized, but I could not find anymore information on that. As a direct descendent myself of a Dragon King, I have always found this topic of interest, but it's not easy to dig much up on it.

Very interesting. Dragons emerging.

Very misunderstood, the dragons are. No matter what definition you apply.

I like Nicholas. I have said before, Golden Ages had golden leaders.

First - if there is anything to "dragon blood" and I can't say either way as it is difficult for me to accept that blood %s (dragon blood vs non dragon blood) "should" make a difference, I have studied the matter closely. EDIT - it is not difficult for me to accept, I just fear it would be difficult for many folks to consider... de Vere has actually isolated specific genes which he states you can be tested for that determines if you have dragon blood. He asserts that having this blood gives one powers we group into 6th senses such as clairvoyance, telepathy, clairaudience, precognition and more. The more dragon blood one possess, the greater degree one has the ability to bring forth these talents. You can see where this leads. It is the foundation of why bloodline is so important to royalty and others involved in many of these secret societies.

Nick claims (and I am not stating if I buy it or not) that he is a direct descendant of the person who we now refer to as Jesus Christ (has genealogical charts that he presents in his books) and that is part of the basis for his claims that current royalty (at least as far as the UK goes) is not the true royalty (although Harry may actually have bloodline claims considering his father may have been James Hewitt instead of Prince Phillip). This may be why we got info from Fulford that some insiders would accept Harry as the next King.

You can begin to see how complicated all this gets. Anyway, it is difficult with my conditioning to imagine that there might be something to bloodline. Most of us would likely have similar feelings. But Nick's books are compelling and I would rate Nick de Vere as quite an occult historian, etymologist and occultist in general. From my understanding, he has quite a bit of respect from many within the European occult societies and is generally a pain in the ass to most of the elite.

Wow!! Way-to-go due diligence, Vivek! I take my hat off to you.

The bottom line is, though, that Drake told us that he wasn't associated with any other group and was just working with that small group of people at Freedom Reigns. He stated categorically that he wasn't a part of any Dragon-related group on the last radio broadcast and because when first asked that question, his answer threw up a load of pink smoke, the questioner had to come back in on another phone line to ask the question again, and finally Drake said 'No'. So he lied ... what else has he lied about?

For those who would like a quick entree into what it means to be a member of a dragon society ~

All the dragon societies came out of the Serpent Cults which were rife across the civilised world during pre-Christian times. The serpent represented wisdom and so initiates would undergo secret (occult) teachings and variations of these continued right up to the Mystery Teachings in Greece before those practises were wiped out by Justinian. The evidence left from it was reported on by various renown Greek and Roman historians, like Diodorus Siculus, Pliny and Thucydides.

There was a 19th century Freemason and Rosicrucian called Hargrave Jennings who pulled together the Greek and Roman historians accounts of their evidence for it worldwide in his book published in 1889: Ophiolatreia: An Account of the Rites and Mysteries Connected with the Origin, Rise, and Development of Serpent Worship.

And I have written an article tracing the history of the Serpent Cults here

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First - if there is anything to "dragon blood" and I can't say either way as it is difficult for me to accept that blood %s (dragon blood vs non dragon blood) "should" make a difference, I have studied the matter closely. de Vere has actually isolated specific genes which he states you can be tested for that determines if you have dragon blood. He asserts that having this blood gives one powers we group into 6th senses such as clairvoyance, telepathy, clairaudience, precognition and more. The more dragon blood one possess, the greater degree one is has the ability to bring forth these talents. You can see where this leads. It is the foundation of why bloodline is so important to royalty and others involved in many of these secret societies.

Nick claims (and I am not stating if I buy it or not) that he is a direct descendant of the person who we now refer to as Jesus Christ (has genealogical charts that he presents in his books) and that is part of the basis for his claims that current royalty (at least as far as the UK goes) is not the true royalty (although Harry may actually have bloodline claims considering his father may have been James Hewitt instead of Prince Phillip). This may be why we got info from Fulford that some insiders would accept harry as the next King.

You can begin to see how complicated all this gets. Anyway, it is difficult with my conditioning to imagine that there might be something to bloodline. Most of us would likely have similar feelings. But Nick's books are compelling and I would rate Nick de Vere as quite an occult historian, etymologist and occultist in general. From my understanding, he has quite a bit of respect from many within the European occult societies and is generally a pain in the ass to most of the elite.

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He (Nicholas de Vere) is a bit grandiose, IMO, but I can handle it. Constantine's mother was a supposed descendant of the Jesus family. It is one of reasons he did what he did. He saw himself a rightful heir to the Church through his mother. I am surprised he let Apostolic succession pass at the Council of Nicea. This allowed for non family members to be heads of the church. It is exactly this difference in succession, bloodline or not, that split the Muslims. The Shia only allow Imams who are descendants of Mohammed's(pbuh). The Sunni, allow for an apostolic succession. Yes, doctrinal issues have bifurcated from the split, but it is the split that created them.

There is a sense of service to the people with the true, and sane, Dragons. They (the people) are your responsibility, not your property.

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First - if there is anything to "dragon blood" and I can't say either way as it is difficult for me to accept that blood %s (dragon blood vs non dragon blood) "should" make a difference, I have studied the matter closely. EDIT - it is not difficult for me to accept, I just fear it would be difficult for many folks to consider... de Vere has actually isolated specific genes which he states you can be tested for that determines if you have dragon blood. He asserts that having this blood gives one powers we group into 6th senses such as clairvoyance, telepathy, clairaudience, precognition and more. The more dragon blood one possess, the greater degree one has the ability to bring forth these talents. You can see where this leads. It is the foundation of why bloodline is so important to royalty and others involved in many of these secret societies.

Nick claims (and I am not stating if I buy it or not) that he is a direct descendant of the person who we now refer to as Jesus Christ (has genealogical charts that he presents in his books) and that is part of the basis for his claims that current royalty (at least as far as the UK goes) is not the true royalty (although Harry may actually have bloodline claims considering his father may have been James Hewitt instead of Prince Phillip). This may be why we got info from Fulford that some insiders would accept Harry as the next King.

You can begin to see how complicated all this gets. Anyway, it is difficult with my conditioning to imagine that there might be something to bloodline. Most of us would likely have similar feelings. But Nick's books are compelling and I would rate Nick de Vere as quite an occult historian, etymologist and occultist in general. From my understanding, he has quite a bit of respect from many within the European occult societies and is generally a pain in the ass to most of the elite.

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And royalty ---> kingship ---> cainship ---> back to Cain and Abel, reptilian/dragon/nahash bloodlines... Enki and Enlil... I can't remember where I picked that up but I too have read of de Vere... And so far thanks to you and US this thread is going in the right direction (at least how I had hoped).

There are a lot of connections to be made and sorted out. I can't believe I'm still awake! I can't seem to get to sleep my mind is racing.

EDIT: I'd like to add Ishtar and modwiz to that list too, and I know there are plenty of others at PA who could be very helpful. I just wanna thank y'all for even taking a look at this.

Also, from what I've read about these Dragon Courts/orders is that initiates/members loyalty is to that brotherhood ABOVE ALL ELSE.

In the same vein though I have read what seemed like good things about some of them and bad things.

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Very interesting. Dragons emerging.

Very misunderstood, the dragons are. No matter what definition you apply.

I like Nicholas. I have said before, Golden Ages had golden leaders.

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Modwiz - what economy with words! Golden Ages had golden leaders - too bad so many folk can't see the truth in that - especially when we are supposed to be at the brink of a new golden age.

Yes... Nick is a cool dude and he ain't afraid to piss off the PTB/Ws.

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Their is a sense of service to the people with the true, and sane, Dragons. They (the people) are your responsibility, not your property.

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Wow!! Way-to-go due diligence, Vivek! I take my hat off to you.

The bottom line is, though, that Drake told us that he wasn't associated with any other group and was just working with that small group of people at Freedom Reigns.

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Ishtar, I love ya but gotta jump in here. We all are in the school of life, some actually graduate. Some of us at some point go solo.

For me to recognise someone as a golden leader, they would have to speak the truth.

Golden ages represent a state of consciousness.. not a state of government, although countless groups in the past have used the stories in the ancient myths to back their revolutions. So this won't be the first to claim that God is on their side. However, this god requires much blood to be spilt...

With God On Our Side

Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And the land that I live in
Has God on it's side.

Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on it's side.

The Spanish-American
War had it's day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns on their hands
And God on their side.

The First World War, boys
It came and it went
The reason for fighting
I never did get
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.

When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And then we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.

I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war comes
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.

But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.

In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.

So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war.


Bob Dylan

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Wow!! Way-to-go due diligence, Vivek! I take my hat off to you.

The bottom line is, though, that Drake told us that he wasn't associated with any other group and was just working with that small group of people at Freedom Reigns.

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Ishtar, I love ya but gotta jump in here. We all are in the school of life, some actually graduate. Some of us at some point go solo.

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Then there are some that go so low. :rolleyes:

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Wow!! Way-to-go due diligence, Vivek! I take my hat off to you.

The bottom line is, though, that Drake told us that he wasn't associated with any other group and was just working with that small group of people at Freedom Reigns. However, he stated categorically that he wasn't a part of any Dragon-related group on the last radio broadcast and because when first asked that question, his answer threw up a load of pink smoke, the questioner had to come back in on another phone line to ask the question again, and finally Drake said 'No'. So he lied ... what else has he lied about?

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Ishtar, I love ya but gotta jump in here. We all are in the school of life, some actually graduate. Some of us at some point go solo.

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Sorry justoneman, probably me being thick, but I don't get your point. I was just saying how this is an example of Drake lying .. and this of a piece with a post I wrote in the other thread about how I think that truth is vital to the outcome of any operation from the get-go ...don't get the connection with school of life or going solo ... could you try and explain it again?