The Real Story Behind Aliens_ Ufos_ Demons_ Illuminati & Satanism

This is a good video and goes into specifics of how we have been betrayed, what the heavy hand of government is doing in subverting our freedom, sending our sons and daughters to die in wars contrived to make them money, and who has been behind this for so long:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=atxGNYrBftI

An interesting part of and important part of our social programming particularly in regards to the ever popular new age thought (or how to think about yourself and the new age) is the blurring of the lines between aliens and extra-terrestrials.

ET's well,....who knows. Certainly there's more life out there than us.

Aliens, not such a good thing.

Aliens tend to be more about archonic and artificial (alien) influence and has nothing to do with ET's at all. Yet how many people do we have claiming to be aliens.

People would not know the difference between alien constructs and extra-terrestrials.

But there sure has been a concerted effort to blur the definition between the two and that I'm sure is on purpose.

On to watch the video.

Shaking my head, just watched the first 10 minutes will watch the rest tonight... And these creeps are the ones in charge..... What will it really take to get our world back and out of control of all these evil money hungry corrupted pieces of !!!!

There's two ways of looking at this (actually more let's stick with two).

on one level this lucifernarian energy is very insidious very tempting, its very much like the description of Lucifer in the Bible, comes in a 'fair' package. Lulls one into a sense of complacence even as it feeds on you, makes you accept what is overtly not true or truthful. It makes you accept irrationality over reason, over natural intelligent. It is much a part of the new age as it is the old paradigms.

When we rise above the lull of this energy, and I refer to it as opposing forces energy, same thing-- satanic in nature but then we find its very childish, immature (spiritually) playing in one's own ****, play acting, petty. I am not dismissing how horribly erosive and destructive to cultures and mankind this has been though. Not at all. However if you can rise above this energy and it's temptations you begin to see it for what it is. You literally have to invite it in before it can tempt you or affect. The longer you observe it you see how it has very little actual power, its smoke and mirrors. Very little power in regards to what is real because it depends on what is not real which is illusions.

The power is on the lower levels of mankinds ignorance of this energy, when you can rise above it and examine it, its insane and absurd that we collectively as humans are enslaved to the will and smoke and mirrors of very much an idiotic god construct.

Interesting video. Makes some bold claims about ETS. According to this vid the entire ufo phenomenon is explained as solely interdimentional as well as 100% menevolent. no silver linings in this vid. I would be quite interested to get Bill's take on this one.

This needs consideration.

PEACE,
-R-

Bill posted a couple of supportive remarks to Houman for the Archon thread -- this video is right up that alley

re the interdimensional nature of so-called ETs & UFOs -- i have seen many many UFOs , some quite close, & have had interactions w/some -- after watching this video i had one of those aha! moments, when i realized of course they are interdimensional -- the way they blink in & out of sight, for one

a question for me is why they are so big on saying they are ETs --extra-terrestials, from the same dimension as Earth -- i suspect this ties in w/their saying they 'created' Humans

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Interesting video. Makes some bold claims about ETS. According to this vid the entire ufo phenomenon is explained as solely interdimentional as well as 100% menevolent. no silver linings in this vid. I would be quite interested to get Bill's take on this one.

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Well, seeing the video, Im just strengthened in my prior suspicions.

This is much worse than pictured here. When I look around I almost

only see well programmed people who can never imagine something

like this being possible. Still, the only explanation Ive seen for a long

time for the conditions of our world today is wots being presented in

this video. We cant expect all those stupified people getting out of

their programmings. The collapse of mind as such is the only way

this problem can be solved (in one blow) once and for all, is wot I

see for now. Then people maybe can start to think in an active way

and not being screwed by someone elses implanted ideas.

So I welcome the moment when mind get overloaded

and is blown to pieces. Asap please.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

What about that 100% menevolent picture of the ets it paints. I don't want to believe that any way. I also wonder about it framing clifford stone as a disinformant.

Hey, nice video!

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Bill posted a couple of supportive remarks to Houman for the Archon thread -- this video is right up that alley

re the interdimensional nature of so-called ETs & UFOs -- i have seen many many UFOs , some quite close, & have had interactions w/some -- after watching this video i had one of those aha! moments, when i realized of course they are interdimensional -- the way they blink in & out of sight, for one

a question for me is why they are so big on saying they are ETs --extra-terrestials, from the same dimension as Earth -- i suspect this ties in w/their saying they 'created' Humans

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Posted by Abhaya

Interesting video. Makes some bold claims about ETS. According to this vid the entire ufo phenomenon is explained as solely interdimentional as well as 100% menevolent. no silver linings in this vid. I would be quite interested to get Bill's take on this one.

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This video IS the condensed, cinematic adaptation of the material in Houman's thread... IMO

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Bill posted a couple of supportive remarks to Houman for the Archon thread -- this video is right up that alley

re the interdimensional nature of so-called ETs & UFOs -- i have seen many many UFOs , some quite close, & have had interactions w/some -- after watching this video i had one of those aha! moments, when i realized of course they are interdimensional -- the way they blink in & out of sight, for one

a question for me is why they are so big on saying they are ETs --extra-terrestials, from the same dimension as Earth -- i suspect this ties in w/their saying they 'created' Humans

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Posted by Abhaya

Interesting video. Makes some bold claims about ETS. According to this vid the entire ufo phenomenon is explained as solely interdimentional as well as 100% menevolent. no silver linings in this vid. I would be quite interested to get Bill's take on this one.

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wynderer,

There are a "lot more".........aha moments.......for all of mankind,....."if" we will just simply open our eyes and hearts!!!

They are ED's,....(extra-dimensionals),.....not....ET's.

Deception is their game,....and they are very good at it!

(point)

Just how successful do you think they would be,...."if" they were to readily admit that they are , indeed, ED's, (demonic entities,...."fallen angels"), like they really are and have been from the very beginning?

By posing to be something that they are "not",...ET's...., they are then able to accomplish their "agenda",.....that is to ultimately "rend souls away from God".

They also know that the "ET" appearance and phenomena is something that "we" humans will "buy......hook, line and sinker"! This has been an "extremely easy sale" for them over the last "several thousand years".

As with any "sale",........"BUYER BEWARE"!!!!

Love and Peace,......kreagle

Awesome video/perspective, thank you Unified Serenity :) ... very Houman imo too - I wonder how the general population would react if this was shown on prime time? :cool:

i had a similar thought -- if hackers ever took over all the massmedia [a girl can dream], this is the one video to air, imo

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Awesome video/perspective, thank you Unified Serenity :) ... very Houman imo too - I wonder how the general population would react if this was shown on prime time? :cool:

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Quote from Houman's writings formatted in pdf by Jean-Luc (on Houmans thread).

E= Ettissh, the _____(what?, a draco or AI or ED entity) My own perspective is this is an inherently logical example that evil destroys evil itself.

pg 348 Quote:

E - "we'll come down on you like a ton of bricks - if we choose to" This was said as a possibility for the future.
These nets are attached to their machines Ettissh explains it as follows -

E - "our machine is really incredible; it's programmed to respond to things ,it can sense energy , if you become to high or enlightened then it will start ****ing you up - it will send you **** via the cord and then it brings you down and then it stops as long as you don't creep up again - keeps you checked --and it rises and falls. They get the crap, feel like **** and then it brings them down. It stops, they rise again and it starts again - every few days they get it." End Quote


Interesting this cord stuff. Or is it rather a weaponized form of chording, via machines. The mind-control system now being massively installed? I think they possibly run into defectors like Ettissh. The PDF also explains that Ettissh is indeed a defector helping the human in this story. Wisdom has been divulged, saying, in short, that competition among evil ones, ultimately turns insiders against insiders. Ettissh might be sort of an example of this.

In any case, free will combined with rock-solid discipline and some insider info like this ought to help stay free-willed. Why can't we find forms to disseminate the consciousness to surpass the mind control? The AI goes on to adimit or infer, that our victory over this would come from mass awareness of this as a distortion we own. Then take responsibility, by forcing justice, relentlessly. However, most indulge in bread and circuses. The AI or EDs go on to say it is all a cosmic game we entered into. Satan proclaims it has been fair game, because humans refuse to stand up. Instead they hide and devolve into materialism. Satan's-time-up awaits mass awakening. It may be the time for artists to step forward, encouraged by entrepreneurs, to inject the wake up call into commerce. Why let dribble control commerce, dancing with the stars and what not? See https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ral-by-Straker

~wav

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Shaking my head, just watched the first 10 minutes will watch the rest tonight... And these creeps are the ones in charge..... What will it really take to get our world back and out of control of all these evil money hungry corrupted pieces of !!!!

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It will take a lot more people shutting off their TV's and having conversations with their friends and families about subjects that matter and remembering that the left/right political paradigm was invented by these creeps to give us something to fight over. We need to stop obliging them.

@wavydome.
I found this article very useful:http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/20...-them-archons/

A little excerpt:

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When you notice ankle biters trying to interfere with your thoughts, emotions or energy, immediately start expanding your Divine Inner Light from your heart until it surrounds your body. This pure, intense light of your Divine Being is painful for these low-frequency ankle biters to be near, and they will withdraw. (I think this may be where the myth of the “blood sucking” vampire who can’t stand sunlight comes from…) However, even when withdrawn, the ankle biters will have a thin “energy tube” connected to you somewhere in your consciousness that they will use to send harmful energy or siphon off your emotional energy.

Command from your Divine Core that the ankle biters present be captured in “containment orbs,” which are energetic spheres of light that keep them from running away and hiding. Then do an energy refund to send their “tubes” and any other connections they have formed in your consciousness back to them. Now, for just a few moments, it’s ok to get a little angry as a temporary way to rise above feeling helpless. Not blinding rage, but a little righteous indignation that these parasites have been messing with you is OK to entertain for a moment. This is a step up from feeling like a helpless victim to these parasites, which is how they WANT you to feel. Just don’t stay angry for long, and instead work to move your frequency higher. Staying totally calm and forgiving should be your ultimate goal, but if a little anger helps get you out of feeling like a victim to the parasites, go for it. I tell you this so that you don’t “feel bad” if you get mad at these parasites for a moment. However, it is important not to engage them in a constant state of anger, as that anger energy will actually FEED them, which we obviously don’t want.

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Ankle biters is used instead of archons. Archon means ruler and the writer will not accord them that respect. I like that.

I agree modwiz, this is prime protocol for people who accept "Divine Inner Light from your heart" or some sort of spiritual equivalent.

We also need to reach the huge populations of secularists and self defined people who do not like to anything about hearts or divinity.

This may be due to involuntary subjugation, to which they were exposed, earlier in life. Perhaps it has fixated inside them. I say these people need wake up calls in the celebratory venues of life. These people respond more to games of sociability or chance.

~wav

of course, the OP vid is "not available in [my] country".
Good we still have sth like this
[so at least i can watch; haven't figured out how to download using proxies]

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[...] You literally have to invite it in before it can tempt you or affect.
[...] its insane and absurd that we collectively as humans are enslaved to the will and smoke and mirrors of very much an idiotic god construct.

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I've long thought that television is the method by which people "invite it in." Everything we (used to) hope our children would not become, there it is, right in your own living room and every other room in your house, and you are participating in it, experiencing it emotionally. Over time, by the consistent hammering away at you, you become skewed in your thinking.

Television is the most insidious teaching tool ever invented. Nobody takes it "seriously" while in fact this is the doorway! You rescue yourself by tossing the damn things out the window!

Haven't you also noticed that if you do not buy into the twisted logic and/or upsidedown values, that others say things to you like "You're no fun. You have no sense of humor."

Fun. It's interesting what passes for fun these days. Porn and degradation are fun. Violence and blood are fun. Drones -- what fun! God almighty, whose fun is this?

And Barack Obama just made a statement about supporting same-sex marriage: It's about the Golden Rule, doing unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Ahh yes, mm-hm, like those people dying in our drone attacks? You mean, you want somebody else's drones to take out your daughter's birthday party? Is this what you mean by DO UNTO OTHERS as you would... etc.? REALLY?

I'm not opposed to the Golden Rule by any means! Let it prevail in this world, please! I'm not even opposed to same-sex marriage.

But this statement comes out of the mouth of the man who was given the Nobel PEACE Prize for doing NOTHING and then it was he - not Congress - who authorized our military's participation in tearing apart Libya, supporting the massacre of whole black African villages of families and children for no other reason than that somebody in Power wanted to tear that country apart. Okay, man, is this more of your DO UNTO OTHERS as you would.... etc.? What the heck will you tear apart next as you spout your twisted DO UNTO OTHERS...?

This is all pure BS. It is pure double-speak. These twisted, upsidedown values come from our so-called leader. What kind of future can possibly come from this man?

This is the result of television. Does that sound like an absurd statement? No, it is the result of constant mass programming -- there's a reason they call it PROGRAMMING -- of twisted thinking, given to you in nice fun doses in your own living room at your leisure in your tranced-out state with your beer in your hand.

They sell it as entertainment, fun. How in the world can people ever wake up?

People who are 'aware' and not just 'thinking they are aware' need a bit of insight into how language and programming is used to snare them into this net.

If you are aware archonic energy (and ankle biters) they are not that much of an issue. Those are simply levels of influence , from high to low.

Lately there has been a marked increase in psychic manipulation so something is stirring this energy and its grown rather pre-emptively offensive (or defensive rather). Something is stirring in this energy and its not happy, its defensive.. If we have banking collapses and rioting the only thing we are required to do is put aside enough for a few months ONLY because we simply do not want to wander out in the crossfire. Get a gun, get a 500 pound bag of rice, do whatever to be prepared to sit something out but make sure you are only doing it for that reason. They are attacking themselves now, energetically and physically we are in the cross fire. Yes this energy moves from the non-physical into the physical and you can observe what is going on in the non physical and dimensional realms by observing the physical -banks, collapsing, the physical hierarchies are shuffling--dance, ****er, dance--in response to that energy. They, the ptb, the illumanti, have no ****ing idea what they are doing yet we have 15 gurus at any given time claiming they do!

Do you think that grown men, who are lighting fires and dancing around a giant owl have a ****ing idea of what they are doing. That someone who has to sacrifice a baby has any idea of not only what they are doing to the baby but what they are doing to themselves.

No. They do not have a clue.

But we can.

I'm experiencing it, not affected by it, not reacting to it but being quiet and watching it. The more I see the more my next move is revealed to it because I'm not flying off into a panic, but waiting to make my next move. They can do nothing differenly, they have been worshiping that ****ing own for 10 thousand years, okay? That does not seem terribly progressive to me.

I'm aware of that.

But it is only because I am AWARE, not falsely enlightened with joy and rose buds and disinfo shoved up my arse.

No it not fun and bliss, but it is my LIFE and my light that I'm preserving here in observing this, I don't have to do anything for the moment but to observe it.

We need to know watching this video these are SLAVES, and Worshipers, they are submissive to this energy. They are not powerful only one the physical level we are observing it. They are slaves who think they are powerful. HOw does that make them different from us?

We are powerful and think we are slaves only because we are not AWARE! Energy is so easily manipulated. But we are not going to be powerful if we keep playing in the otherside of the self serving self indulgent bull**** that they do. And those who hear me flap on about this, know very well what I am talking about.

Extra terrestrial means 'something or someone one ' off terra' (off- planet.) Anything goes there.

Para terrestrial adjacent to terra or earth. What our little new agers are clumsily in their ignorance attempting to convey as 'starseeds' or whatever being they are attempting to claim to be.

Extra dimensional is something that moves in and out of dimensions (including us). We appear in other dimensions with as much frequency as these entities and objects popping into our dimensional field of vision. Please keep this in mind, that we are much the sender as the receivers. (some of us anyway , those whose transmitter isn't bogged down in a bunch of self indulgent bull****)

Aliens- Indicates archonic energies, regardless if they are high up on the hierarchy or they are ankle biters or insignificant constructs including thought form.s Large or small, they impose and leverage on our own programming and thoughtforms. MON-archs, ARCH angels, de dittle dee. They are not actually our leaders and if people would get their **** straight we'd not be much affected by them at all. They feed on us. Get them off the tit and see what happens. Get off your own tit first though, the self indulgent bull****. Daily i see some piously little idiot praying to Archangel Sasha, and Bambi and instructing others to do so as well.

I see the 'enlightened' praying and invoking these beings, and claiming collusion and connection with them. Why? Why does the GFL talk to people. So they can be worshiped. "What great entities! they are coming to save us!" This all about what we are honoring and we are bowing to.

"What i am choosing to believe or think (because it makes me feel good) rather than confronting the issue head on and rising about it (which would make one feel better)" is going to be the fall of man in general. That which they are choosing to believe are alien thoughts. Archonic thoughts that have power over them through their choices.

People need to get out of this programmed bull****, and quit worrying about someone else validity or who is flavor of the month leader, Drake, Wilcocks (who is LOADED with alien influence and so easily manipulated one can't tell if he his coming or going ) and address their own ability to rise about this ****. These people are providing their own evidence, and forgive the **** out of me and poke my eyeballs out for noticing, okay?


Now think about how many people in this forum are admitting to having ALIEN contact, and influenced by aliens, and claiming to BE aliens and practically salvitating at the mouth over each daily channel. What is leveraging their thoughtforms? Good question, what exactly. Observe them. Inadvertently indulging in this dense energy. INDULGING themselves with it. Self serving.

We can disrupt this energy, but we have to be aware of ourselves, and then aware of the energy and not be afraid to observe it. Not by being cheerleaders and saying "oh Rah the good guys are going to win!"

If you can watching a ****ing chess match from a higher level who is going to win. Win you KNOW what the next move is going to be. The question isn't why aren't we winning. The questions is why are we losing?

People remain willfully ignorant. This is not about belief, its about awareness. This video demonstrates what we need to be aware of for ourselves, not just by a watching a video and 'thinking' you need to be aware or know you are aware. The video only indicates what you need to be aware of for yourself.

Not just aware of the light, but aware of it all!

Also at the very least consider that some of these 'ufo's and sky anomalies could very well be a construct like Project Blue Beam Holographics at work right in front of our eyes, even as we are waiting for a PBB event to occur.

Maybe, just maybe a lot of the sightings of UFOs are holograms that are used to fool the population -- or maybe not. Just another possibility.

Also, why do the people who put these videos together always put in weird background "music?" It's as if they are trying to convince listeners of these theories being true. It may be true but we don't need conditioning type music at all.

I've had several encounters with these things over the years but they don't bother me any more. About 20 years ago I had a full on encounter that lasted several days. It's peak was when, in the middle of the night, I woke up and this shadowy entity was standing by my bed. I refused to fear it. I couldn't move at first. It kept changing shape as if it was trying to assume a form so I could fit a belief system on it. For a while it looked like a Roman statue then this window opened up in front of it and i could see a classic grey but I knew it wasn't an alien as such, this definitely wasn't a physical entity and i'd expect to be able to touch a flesh and blood alien. This thing was semi transparent.

While it was standing there my paralysis eased and i sat up in bed and lit a cigarette and kept my eyes on it. I still couldn't speak though, my friend was in the hotel room with me in the other bed but I couldn't wake him. (He did see it on one of its subsequent visits over the next few days) while it was there i saw humanoid shadows crawling around on the ceiling. After a while it faded away.

It came back on several occasions during the day as well. It besieged me. It followed me around slamming doors, knocking peoples drinks over, communicating telepathically offering me power but I knew it was something dark and that there'd be a heavy price to pay and I wasn't interested. I assumed it was some sort of jinn, being in Tunisia. It arrived first a few hours after I'd been practicing weather working. Other encounters with similar things masquerading as aliens occured after I had other spiritual breakthroughs. They seemed intent on diverting me from my path.

Once I got further, learned how to meditate properly and to go with the synchronicity flow they stopped bothering me.

I definitely saw them as some sort of spiritual entity though, the miles wide semi transparent ship above us on another occasion in broad daylight was pretty impressive. That was another attempt at deception after a different spiritual breakthrough. I did think that was aliens for a while, now I'm sure it wasn't.

They seem to be going for people who are searching spiritually, at least they did in my case.

With the Tunisian one I got the distinct impression that it had a whole bunch of souls glued to it somehow and that it wanted me to become one. It wasn't happy with my strongly negative reaction and got quite angry.

Barbara Bartholic on Jacques Vallee (from this post):


1984 was my last meeting with the world-class, brilliant scientist, Dr. Jacques Vallee. Through his inspiration, my research into alien human abuse and control has proved the hypothesis he proclaimed in his important book, ‘Invisible College’: “UFOs may constitute a control system.” Why do I continue to research, under terrible duress, the most important subject in our universe? It’s clear. What could be more compelling than identifying what I call a “master control system” that defies all locks, law enforcement, physics, and governments, and last but not least, human rights; or identifying an alien-organized operation possessing such technical supremacy that they can hide in plain sight. It's a force that can delude people into refusing to believe in their existence. At the same time, alien manipulative “overlord ship” is altering the course of human life.

We are confronted and confounded by an intelligence that has the ability to:

vacuum a car and its occupants right off the roadway and go unnoticed by all;
enter human minds or habitats day or night;
interfere with babies still in the womb;
abduct young children right from their beds or playgrounds undetected;
change the dynamics of relationships and love affairs;
cause disease;
create mental problems and drug addiction;
create wars and mutate generations as in their “Breed out the love” program.

These are just a few examples of the aliens’ abilities to modify human behavior and conditions. People came for my help as if guided by some “invisible hand” during the sightings and abductions in the early 80’s and 90’s. No, flying saucers are NOT flying back and forth, landing and taking off at breakneck speed. Air traffic control would be abominable. The 'crashed saucers with dead aliens in New Mexico' story is old news, and obscures the real threat to our world.

Compare it to the discovery of germs. Before the microscope, there were these “invisible things” causing sickness and death. Of course, there were good germs as well, but never forget that toxins could eventually destroy the world. So it is with the alien dominance.

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Where things get complicated is when the parisites and the ETs mimic/holograph each other to misdirect investigations...

Similar to my visitor. Not semi transparent per say but milky whitish grey but clearly humanoid looking. Short , chubby,, bald, but solid. Blank moon face though devoid of emotion. I knew it was solid because when I launched at it, it stepped back and knocked books off the computer desk. Had a brief paralysis but can only say that my anger at being intruded on in such a fashion sort of overwhelmed it.

What I keep forgetting about and being reminded again of is as I was waking up, just prior to confronting the thing, I had a realization that I was aware of this being mostly just before I fell asleep and right before I woke up and it had been watching me for a long time.

I've had very clear knowledge that people and relationships are maneuvered in some fashion to lead people astray or harm them so I find the post concerning that rather interesting. i know of one such person, a person of imaginable power , that is plagued by this interference. If that person were to wake up and embrace that power nothing could affect him. Instead that person has the insinuation that power is evil, and bad, and lives a sort of stunted shadow existence because of the nature of the crisis, and people maneuvered into their way.

I have often pondered if we are even maneuvered into our preexisting families . I know this is possible to arrange into lifetimes that is how each current Buddha is selected and if these ugly forces somehow pervert our incarnations as well.

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I've had several encounters with these things over the years but they don't bother me any more. About 20 years ago I had a full on encounter that lasted several days. It's peak was when, in the middle of the night, I woke up and this shadowy entity was standing by my bed. I refused to fear it. I couldn't move at first. It kept changing shape as if it was trying to assume a form so I could fit a belief system on it. For a while it looked like a Roman statue then this window opened up in front of it and i could see a classic grey but I knew it wasn't an alien as such, this definitely wasn't a physical entity and i'd expect to be able to touch a flesh and blood alien. This thing was semi transparent.

While it was standing there my paralysis eased and i sat up in bed and lit a cigarette and kept my eyes on it. I still couldn't speak though, my friend was in the hotel room with me in the other bed but I couldn't wake him. (He did see it on one of its subsequent visits over the next few days) while it was there i saw humanoid shadows crawling around on the ceiling. After a while it faded away.

It came back on several occasions during the day as well. It besieged me. It followed me around slamming doors, knocking peoples drinks over, communicating telepathically offering me power but I knew it was something dark and that there'd be a heavy price to pay and I wasn't interested. I assumed it was some sort of jinn, being in Tunisia. It arrived first a few hours after I'd been practicing weather working. Other encounters with similar things masquerading as aliens occured after I had other spiritual breakthroughs. They seemed intent on diverting me from my path.

Once I got further, learned how to meditate properly and to go with the synchronicity flow they stopped bothering me.

I definitely saw them as some sort of spiritual entity though, the miles wide semi transparent ship above us on another occasion in broad daylight was pretty impressive. That was another attempt at deception after a different spiritual breakthrough. I did think that was aliens for a while, now I'm sure it wasn't.

They seem to be going for people who are searching spiritually, at least they did in my case.

With the Tunisian one I got the distinct impression that it had a whole bunch of souls glued to it somehow and that it wanted me to become one. It wasn't happy with my strongly negative reaction and got quite angry.

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from Joedjemal's post:

They seem to be going for people who are searching spiritually, at least they did in my case.

i think they go for the ones who will actually get somewhere in their searching

from9Eagle9's post:

I have often pondered if we are even maneuvered into our preexisting families . I know this is possible to arrange into lifetimes that is how each current Buddha is selected and if these ugly forces somehow pervert our incarnations as well.

many abductees have horrific abusive childhoods -- i was talking w/Elaine Douglass , ed of JAR [Journal of Abduction Research] -- she told me that children in these traumatic homes are sometimes 'contacted' by a Reptilian or other 'ET' who becomes the child's best friend/confidante/soother etc -- a good cop/bad cop game

from Amzer Zo's post:

1984 was my last meeting with the world-class, brilliant scientist, Dr. Jacques Vallee. Through his inspiration, my research into alien human abuse and control has proved the hypothesis he proclaimed in his important book, ‘Invisible College’: “UFOs may constitute a control system.” Why do I continue to research, under terrible duress, the most important subject in our universe? It’s clear. What could be more compelling than identifying what I call a “master control system” that defies all locks, law enforcement, physics, and governments, and last but not least, human rights; or identifying an alien-organized operation possessing such technical supremacy that they can hide in plain sight. It's a force that can delude people into refusing to believe in their existence. At the same time, alien manipulative “overlord ship” is altering the course of human life.

i have wondered if they went after Wilhelm Reich because he'd invented a weapon that could vaporize UFOs

Amzer Zo , could you elaborate some on this from your post?

Where things get complicated is when the parisites and the ETs mimic/holograph each other to misdirect investigations...

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I have often pondered if we are even maneuvered into our preexisting families . I know this is possible to arrange into lifetimes that is how each current Buddha is selected and if these ugly forces somehow pervert our incarnations as well.

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They do!

Please take the time to check these two short books ("Save as" and unzip):

http://lunahelia.com/docs/cash.zip The Programming of a Planet
http://lunahelia.com/docs/cash2.zip Eye of Ra

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i have wondered if they went after Wilhelm Reich because he'd invented a weapon that could vaporize UFOs

Amzer Zo , could you elaborate some on this from your post?

Where things get complicated is when the parisites and the ETs mimic/holograph each other to misdirect investigations...

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W. Reich was after the b*st*rds and was using orgone energy to do it, that's life energy. How could one use "life energy" to anhilate a physical, 3D, metallic construct of some sort? Not possible. However, when aimed at a parasitic energy, it never failed. Which brings me to your request...

Most of these so called UFOs are thought forms or holograpghic constructs. One of the first reseachers to be faced with the conclusion that UFO phenomena had more to do with psychic phenomena than anything else was Jacques Vallee after recognizing that very little physical realities were ever uncovered compared to the amount of UFO observations.

Other researchers came to that same conclusion that the boundaries between psychic phenomena and UFO accounts were very, very fuzzy.

As such, then, we are dealing with the mind and its control and perceptions. The parasites (and many ghosts as well) are adept at mimicking anything that would manipulate their targets as a thought projection into their mind... so projecting a "grey" into someone's mind would be kids play...

Furthermore, if parasites can do that, so do human beings (stage hypnotists, magicians)... never mind ETs.

Welcome to the ball of yarn that got run into by a few playful alley cats!

thanks , Amzer Zo -- i would be very interested to hear your understanding of the parasites

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thanks , Amzer Zo -- i would be very interested to hear your understanding of the parasites

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To me it seems these type of energies roam many realms but particularly what is called the "Lower Astral."

Otherwise, Viveck's post here pretty much describes the parasite/host dynamic which is different than a symbiotic dynamic. The parisite doesn't give a sh*t about the host, a symbiote does.

Scorched earth strategies would be a human example and Alex Collier's "Orion Model" would be an ET one.

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They seem to be going for people who are searching spiritually, at least they did in my case.

i think they go for the ones who will actually get somewhere in their searching

from9Eagle9's post:

I have often pondered if we are even maneuvered into our preexisting families . I know this is possible to arrange into lifetimes that is how each current Buddha is selected and if these ugly forces somehow pervert our incarnations as well.

many abductees have horrific abusive childhoods -- i was talking w/Elaine Douglass , ed of JAR [Journal of Abduction Research] -- she told me that children in these traumatic homes are sometimes 'contacted' by a Reptilian or other 'ET' who becomes the child's best friend/confidante/soother etc -- a good cop/bad cop game

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This matches my own experience. My father was brutal. He abused me physically, sexually and used my fear in rituals. It took me until my late 20s to begin to get over it. When I was seven he made sure my bed was positioned where I could see into the graveyard next door where he did his rituals. He used to send shadowy things after me.

I'd forgotten about that.

i started watching them, but my mind was balking at the controllers first arriving here as tiny biological parasites -- i'll get back to watching them eventually

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thanks , Amzer Zo -- i would be very interested to hear your understanding of the parasites

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To me it seems these type of energies roam many realms but particularly what is called the "Lower Astral."

Otherwise, Viveck's post here pretty much describes the parasite/host dynamic which is different than a symbiotic dynamic. The parisite doesn't give a sh*t about the host, a symbiote does.

Scorched earth strategies would be a human example and Alex Collier's "Orion Model" would be an ET one.

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I loved the doc, thanks U.S.

If we are in this world, now, a tad more spiritually aware and knowledgeable than the average bear chances are we developed over several lifetimes. Plenty of time for unwanted eyes to observe and interfer.

I too, had an abusive childhood, not anything nearly that horrific, but it certainly does seem to be a pattern.

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from Joedjemal's post:

They seem to be going for people who are searching spiritually, at least they did in my case.

i think they go for the ones who will actually get somewhere in their searching

from9Eagle9's post:

I have often pondered if we are even maneuvered into our preexisting families . I know this is possible to arrange into lifetimes that is how each current Buddha is selected and if these ugly forces somehow pervert our incarnations as well.

many abductees have horrific abusive childhoods -- i was talking w/Elaine Douglass , ed of JAR [Journal of Abduction Research] -- she told me that children in these traumatic homes are sometimes 'contacted' by a Reptilian or other 'ET' who becomes the child's best friend/confidante/soother etc -- a good cop/bad cop game

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This matches my own experience. My father was brutal. He abused me physically, sexually and used my fear in rituals. It took me until my late 20s to begin to get over it. When I was seven he made sure my bed was positioned where I could see into the graveyard next door where he did his rituals. He used to send shadowy things after me.

I'd forgotten about that.

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You know what bugs me, if anyone could give me a different perspective. I've always been interested in the British Royal Family, so have read tons of books about them, especially the older ones. There is pattern there of the royals not burying their dead. They stick them in tombs and then bury them much later. Like George VI--died in 52 and wasn't buried until 1969. Ditto Prince Phillips mother, Alice.

I find this peculiar in ways that I can't begin to describe.

https://youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=X_DCymgvCeE

Fritz talks about the 13 Illuminati Bloodlines, how they came to be, their power struggles, the hijacking of Christianity, Satanism, and the deception in general.

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from Joedjemal's post:

They seem to be going for people who are searching spiritually, at least they did in my case.

i think they go for the ones who will actually get somewhere in their searching

from9Eagle9's post:

I have often pondered if we are even maneuvered into our preexisting families . I know this is possible to arrange into lifetimes that is how each current Buddha is selected and if these ugly forces somehow pervert our incarnations as well.

many abductees have horrific abusive childhoods -- i was talking w/Elaine Douglass , ed of JAR [Journal of Abduction Research] -- she told me that children in these traumatic homes are sometimes 'contacted' by a Reptilian or other 'ET' who becomes the child's best friend/confidante/soother etc -- a good cop/bad cop game

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This matches my own experience. My father was brutal. He abused me physically, sexually and used my fear in rituals. It took me until my late 20s to begin to get over it. When I was seven he made sure my bed was positioned where I could see into the graveyard next door where he did his rituals. He used to send shadowy things after me.

I'd forgotten about that.

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Hi Joedjemal -- after recovering from the shock of reading your post above -- it started me thinking

first, i am so sorry for what you endured as a little boy -- & to all who had similar chilhoods , but choose to live their adult lives in the spirit of 'the buck stops here' & not continue to carry on what is often a generational curse -- my hat's off to all

i have been reading quite a bit re the Monarch/MK Ultra kinds of mind-control programming [ i am suspecting that something of the sort happens to some abductees ] -- the kinds of trauma such as you describe, & my own traumatic childhood, w/o the satanic ritual stuff -- these are what they use as one of the chief tools in the mind control, to break down the personality /wholeness of their target & install 'alters'

Katari Rose, whose blog i found linked to Duncan O'Finiaon's blog, says that 1,000,000 -- one million USAmericans have been put thru these programs

i suspect that those of us w/these targeted abusive chilhoods -- always remembering the millions of children who are dying in wars & thru starvation & are being sold into sexual slavery by sickos --

i suspect those targeted -- those not in any specific mind control program to be a super soldier or psychic spy, etc -- we are being messed w/in our unconscious, & messed w/also when we are attempting to get free of the Matrix when sleeping so we can do our jobs out there when out of our sleeping bodies

i'd like to add that i hold no bitterness/anger towards my parents -- i believe their minds were being messed w/ also -- they raised 4 kids in the USA '50s w/o TV, junk food, or religion , & gave me a love of books & a social conscience -- they had to be stopped

again, i am so sorry, Joedjemal--

wyn

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Hi Joedjemal -- after recovering from the shock of reading your post above -- it started me thinking

first, i am so sorry for what you endured as a little boy -- & to all who had similar chilhoods , but choose to live their adult lives in the spirit of 'the buck stops here' & not continue to carry on what is often a generational curse -- my hat's off to all

i have been reading quite a bit re the Monarch/MK Ultra kinds of mind-control programming [ i am suspecting that something of the sort happens to some abductees ] -- the kinds of trauma such as you describe, & my own traumatic childhood, w/o the satanic ritual stuff -- these are what they use as one of the chief tools in the mind control, to break down the personality /wholeness of their target & install 'alters'

wyn

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They lose the power of control over you once you can start talking about it. The first time you tell someone what has happened to you it's painful and cathartic. Most people cry and have a hard time getting through the telling of their story, and often can't tell it all, but it's the first step. The abuser / system loses it's power over you and you regain your personal power by telling your story.

The more you tell it, the more you weaken those "tags" or "ropes / bonds" as in bondage that you are under. I have used several physical "magical" energetic rituals to help someone actuate their total freedom. It's not really necessary to do anything in the 3d, but many gain strength by physically doing something with intention associated with their actions.

If you want to know how that's done, I will be happy to share it. We all have tags and ropes of connection to groups, people, or spiritual systems. Some are good and some are not good. My gift is in seeing these connections. The wounds are easily seen and appear like black tar areas on your spirit and/or a yellowish oozing wound.

I think some of us get tagged over and over depending on our shielding ability, and it's important to identify those tags. Tags are bonds are like homing devices and make you easy to track in the other dimensions.

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Hi Joedjemal -- after recovering from the shock of reading your post above -- it started me thinking

first, i am so sorry for what you endured as a little boy -- & to all who had similar chilhoods , but choose to live their adult lives in the spirit of 'the buck stops here' & not continue to carry on what is often a generational curse -- my hat's off to all

i have been reading quite a bit re the Monarch/MK Ultra kinds of mind-control programming [ i am suspecting that something of the sort happens to some abductees ] -- the kinds of trauma such as you describe, & my own traumatic childhood, w/o the satanic ritual stuff -- these are what they use as one of the chief tools in the mind control, to break down the personality /wholeness of their target & install 'alters'

wyn

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They lose the power of control over you once you can start talking about it. The first time you tell someone what has happened to you it's painful and cathartic. Most people cry and have a hard time getting through the telling of their story, and often can't tell it all, but it's the first step. The abuser / system loses it's power over you and you regain your personal power by telling your story.

The more you tell it, the more you weaken those "tags" or "ropes / bonds" as in bondage that you are under. I have used several physical "magical" energetic rituals to help someone actuate their total freedom. It's not really necessary to do anything in the 3d, but many gain strength by physically doing something with intention associated with their actions.

If you want to know how that's done, I will be happy to share it. We all have tags and ropes of connection to groups, people, or spiritual systems. Some are good and some are not good. My gift is in seeing these connections. The wounds are easily seen and appear like black tar areas on your spirit and/or a yellowish oozing wound.

I think some of us get tagged over and over depending on our shielding ability, and it's important to identify those tags. Tags are bonds are like homing devices and make you easy to track in the other dimensions.

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I've been free of it for years. Funnily enough I decided to forgive my father while that incident in Tunisia was going on. That freed me pretty much completely. I can look at the whole thing quite dispassionately now. On thinking about it I might not have made the spiritual progress I have without those experiences. They taught me that there was more going on in the world than Newtonian physics. It made me look deeper.

Joedjemal --

the only such experience i had was part of the payback after that abduction, when i woke up to find my body paralyzed & some huge dark being immobilizing me & going after me sexually on the astral plane somehow -- the instant i awoke i threw him off w/my will

you appear to have what what was called in the Middle Ages, the 'gift of discernement' -- the ability to not get hornswoggled by their deceptions

in your post following this one, re forgiving your father after the Tunisia thing -- are you saying that your not forgiving your father sort of opened the door to the demon or whatever it was?

[ this is reminding me of seeing both what i called a demon one time, & then an imp -- it was like the demon had the soul of the 'schizophrenic' woman i saw him near -- it reminded me of one of the dogs that kills by quicly breaking the neck, w/the limp body in his mouth [a relatively quick & merciful death ]

wyn

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I've had several encounters with these things over the years but they don't bother me any more. About 20 years ago I had a full on encounter that lasted several days. It's peak was when, in the middle of the night, I woke up and this shadowy entity was standing by my bed. I refused to fear it. I couldn't move at first. It kept changing shape as if it was trying to assume a form so I could fit a belief system on it. For a while it looked like a Roman statue then this window opened up in front of it and i could see a classic grey but I knew it wasn't an alien as such, this definitely wasn't a physical entity and i'd expect to be able to touch a flesh and blood alien. This thing was semi transparent.

While it was standing there my paralysis eased and i sat up in bed and lit a cigarette and kept my eyes on it. I still couldn't speak though, my friend was in the hotel room with me in the other bed but I couldn't wake him. (He did see it on one of its subsequent visits over the next few days) while it was there i saw humanoid shadows crawling around on the ceiling. After a while it faded away.

It came back on several occasions during the day as well. It besieged me. It followed me around slamming doors, knocking peoples drinks over, communicating telepathically offering me power but I knew it was something dark and that there'd be a heavy price to pay and I wasn't interested. I assumed it was some sort of jinn, being in Tunisia. It arrived first a few hours after I'd been practicing weather working. Other encounters with similar things masquerading as aliens occured after I had other spiritual breakthroughs. They seemed intent on diverting me from my path.

Once I got further, learned how to meditate properly and to go with the synchronicity flow they stopped bothering me.

I definitely saw them as some sort of spiritual entity though, the miles wide semi transparent ship above us on another occasion in broad daylight was pretty impressive. That was another attempt at deception after a different spiritual breakthrough. I did think that was aliens for a while, now I'm sure it wasn't.

They seem to be going for people who are searching spiritually, at least they did in my case.

With the Tunisian one I got the distinct impression that it had a whole bunch of souls glued to it somehow and that it wanted me to become one. It wasn't happy with my strongly negative reaction and got quite angry.

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I follow this thread with great interest and some other threads too. Im
not writing much, because I have difficulties formulating myself those
days. LOL

But Ive tried to look into an aspect of this lately, and I can see that I need
help in uncovering wots lurking in the back ground or under this.

Ive listened to Henrik Palmgren on Redice interviewing Rik Clay (2+2 hrs)

Today I lisened to a shorter version 1hrs 29 min. Link below. I wondered
why Rik died the day after those inteviews. His family says he comitted
suicide. Well he doesnt sound like one being depressed or having any
reason for that.

After 1hrs 10 min he starts speaking about wot happens when we die if
we have a prefixed notion of a savior, in this case Jesus, but I suppose
one can include any savior into this. He says that when meeting one of
those lightbeings, if one projects a programmed picture of a savior on
this, one is trapped and sent back, ie stuck into a loop. LOL
Well is this religions best secret together with the calenders based
on the movements of heavenly bodies to keep us captured in the
physical world?
Is this something too secret to let people know about? Was this the real
reason behind Riks death?

The shamans say: You think we are powerful now, wait until we are dead.
Don Juan described to Castaneda how to bribe The Eagle ie
consciousness to sneak behind it without giving up ones soul.

I want to add that I had a vision of a huge Thunderbird taking of
from a field when I started to listen to the interview today. This
kind of surprised me as our old thundergod in Northern Europe
is Thor, the son of Odin. We have no myths of any thunderbird
here.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=1hIr-ZlqIko

https://youtube.com/watch?v=1hIr-ZlqIko


The whole interview, 4 hrs, 6 parts

https://youtube.com/watch?v=mGhmx...110C04F6082293


All is well


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